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the ball size of ukraine's civil nuclear power program. they've got 15 different reactors in 4 different sites and they produce more than half the electricity for ukraine. that's why it's such a big problem. and already, as you've said, we've had a situation where one of the biggest nuclear plant in the country has come under attack. and there were artillery shells landing and damaging some of the buildings . no radiation, extra radiation has been released. but there is concern of what happens next, and that's why he says he needs to have constructive talks with all sides to protect those, those services. ah, so this is out there, these are the top stories in hockey. it has been devastated by russian air attack force, many of its residents to fleet. it is ukraine, 2nd largest city, with a population of around 1400000 people. ukrainian president volume is lensky is once
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again urging his people to fight on cars. when they do today is monday, the false now devout struggle and i'm in care for my team is with me or heroes. if the doctors are diplomats, journalists, and everybody, when we are all fighting, now, we are all contributing to our victory, not today, and tomorrow we will protest the occupiers. we are not afraid when they are shooting at us. we are not retreating. those people in russia who say we are retreating, they did not expect our reaction. they forgot that we are not afraid of the tanks and machine guns. a 3rd round of talks between russian and ukrainian delegations is ended with no major breakthroughs. russia says several proposals were presented to ukraine, but none accepted. more talks are set to take place. the united nation says more than 1700000 people have fled ukraine. more than a 1000000 have gone to poland, where the government to set up a 1700000000 dollar fund to pay for shelter and medical credit president is calling
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on the international community to boycott russian oil. the u. s. as a ban on russian energy is being considered the announcements and crude oil prices to a 14 year high on monday morning. s on is one of the few largest cities ukraine, the russian soldiers holding earlier. they fought with the crating protest. those who are demonstrating against moscow takeover san is the largest urban centered russia has captured since invasion began the u. n. says a trucks have been unable to enter the city. few in nuclear watchdog is colea and ukraine and russia to agree on nuclear safety is fighting, threatens the structural integrity of power plants, safety officials say the war is causing the unprecedented danger of a nuclear accident with headlines. more coming up right off the inside story from the london broadcast center to special guests in conversation,
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christine all about trying to get a superior reputation on prompted uninterrupted. where we find the most profound similarities is not actually in our closest living relatives. but it's in much more distant connections, intimately reflecting on the issues of our time. they're going to be a corporate of species economy picking each other up and through each other. all the side studio would be unscripted coming soon on al jazeera. as russia intensifies its war on ukraine and leaders from the us, france, turkey and israel said of attempts to stop the conflict. does diplomacy still stand a chance and what's needed for breakthrough? this is insightful ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully back to bull. russia says it's invasion
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of ukraine could stop at any moment if keith agrees to its demands. these include recognizing crimea and break away regions in eastern ukraine as russian territories . and as the war intensifies world leaders are increasing their diplomatic efforts . the u. s. secretary of state has visited moldova and nato allies, poland, lithuania and latvia. antony blanket hinted at war sanctions against russia, including banning oil imports. he reminded present vladimir putin of the price his paying for continuing the conflict. we see the ruble going through the floor. we see rushes credit rating coming basically to 0 to drunk status. as we would call it. we see a stock market shut down. we see an exodus of virtually every leading company from russia. all of those things are happening. they're happening in real time at the same time. other steps that we've taken, including export controls on of the most important technology that russian needs to
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modernize for the future, including its defense and aerospace industries including its energy sector. that technology is being denied to russia. that's going to have a powerful impact over time. meanwhile, diplomatic efforts continue turkey says the foreign ministers of russia and ukraine will meet in antalya later this week. the leaders of france and israel are talking to vladimir putin as well. frances emmanuel, michael, and spent 2 hours on the phone on sunday, edging the russian president and military operations and protects ukraine's nuclear sites. and israel's prime minister, enough tally bennett, made a secret trip to moscow on saturday. before meeting germany's chancellor in berlin, jonah whole has more from leave. if in western ukraine, several world leaders have dip their toes into increasingly murky diplomatic waters in recent days. on the weekend president emanuel macaroni of france held his 4th phone call with let it be uprooted in the kremlin since the invasion began on
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february, the 24th, the past spend an hour and 45 minutes talking on the phone on sunday. president micron is said to have urged routine to uphold humanitarian law and to respect the safety of ukraine's nuclear sites. naphtali bennett, the israeli prime minister, took off on a secret flight to moscow on the weekend spending 3 hours with mister putin in the kremlin before then. heading off for further talks with the german government in berlin, but the phone call that has produced the most information for us about what president putin is currently thinking took place on sunday between him and president tuan of turkey was 31 urge putin to declare a cease fire to open humanitarian corridors and to sign a peace agreement. and he offered turkey as a host for talks that was from the turkish side. in response, the kremlin says, mister putin said, the only way out of this war is if ukraine surrenders its weapons. and guarantees
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all of the kremlin demands those to remind you include not just the full military surrender of ukraine, but also guarantees about its neutrality, that it will never become a member of nato. mister putin also once crimea, to be recognised as part of russia after its annexation in 2014. and he wants recognition of the independence of those breakaway regions. in the east, mister putin reportedly said that russia's war goals were on track for being met. and he said he hoped that ukrainian negotiators ahead of talks due to continue this week would approach those talks in a more quote, constructive manner. ah, so can diplomacy ultimately bring an end to the conflict in ukraine? let's bring in our guests for today's show. in moscow we have andre federal who served as deputy foreign minister of russia, and is a chairman of the fund for political research and consulting in russia,
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in brussels. carol nano chief executive of the center for european policy and studies, and in doha, marwan cabal on head of policy analysis at the ab center for research and policy studies. thank you all gentlemen for joining us on inside story andre federal in moscow. let me start with you, the 2 sides, russia and ukraine have engage in a couple of rounds of discussions bilaterally. but russia has not pause its military operations in ukraine. is the kremlin at all interested in diplomacy? of course, colonel is interested in diplomacy, but the problem is that are during this ration which sure through place or very one obstacle or russia formerly a very clearly our number of demands which are unacceptable for ukrainian. so that's why our little during this diplomatic context, we can the moralist agree only on some material issues. mark, older me,
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political issues are left and soul and are there if you chances they can be saw in the way. why would he wants? what is president putting stinkin and tray? i mean, what's his decision making process and do you think he's willing to make any compromises on? on some of the red lines, he said he wouldn't cross. no, i don't in a in case of your brain. ah, he will, he's absolutely not ready for compromise our ship all to very clear goal for himself. ah, do, sir. as he mentioned recently, that if there will be no agreement of ukraine on our demands, ah, you brain might lose it state who. so it's a really clear line. that's why we collect expect that the mr. aggression might stop soon. ok. so you don't expect the military operation to stop soon,
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moran combine into her, let me put you in. now, a lot of actors in this crisis trying to push for diplomacy. i turkeys. foreign minister has announced that the foreign ministers of russia and ukraine will meet in antalya and later this week, could they be a break? 3 think there's diplomacy still stand a chance in, in your view, in this crisis? no, i don't think i don't think so. i don't think i see his having any chance this particular stage and then making any progress i think president is using because while actually he is also using military force on the ground with the premiums to get the conditions and he wanted from the very beginning i think he, he's trying to, to be as much as possible out on the korean government. most important for him that helps is to get the concession that
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makes green that mr. green be not but off near to, and also to just on the, on the country altogether. so i don't think that having any chance now. ok, so let me come to you now. then in brussel, caroline, oh, andrea in moscow says the military operation will continue. my one cumberland says he doesn't think diplomacy stands a chance. do you see any avenue for de, escalating this conflict or any possible ways to end the crisis? diplomat, diplomatically limit the chances, certainly since so much damage has been done like the cranium site this fall in civil military firm. so my stomach phones to buildings, rugs and ukraine. i think the has simply increased from where it was, say, 2 weeks, 3 weeks ago. so i think that to me they're going to come to the pro magic solution
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. anyway, you were trying to have her phone diplomatic solution with all the sanctions that hasn't boats. i say don't military call, haven't sanctions alone, haven't been enough to make put in policy invasion and bring him to the negotiation . negotiating table in the humanitarian crisis we're seeing is, is worsening. the conflict escalating are, you know, is, is europe considering other diplomatic options are, are they other solutions on the table as far as the europeans and natal is concerned? and the reason people know, considering the cycle and all kinds of import from garzon oil from russia mold. but of course that poses diplomacy. hoble, replace it because a dependency on garza oil and n for for energy. and european countries differs enormously. but if you look on your to baltic states, as a 100 percent, depends on gas alarm from russia. so it is extremely difficult to account for
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places all night on the old handlers regarding the sanctions like the financial sanction, sanction against the banks sanctuary. the only are, you will only see the effects after a few days, or rather a few weeks, or after a few months, render as shinnecock. he comes on trees, but those are, those are fix, right? i mean, the europeans always seen from europe right now. i think there's any carriers they could all offer right now to moscow. why should they also go to law school as multiple started? so i just don't know what kind of concession they would make to moscow, and not even you $48.00 in a cray mauricio already does the whole debate about the north shore. cray would like to have those eyes on what's the question, but of course, shouldn't, hasn't no way we can. we can do this so and done. nurse lensky saying that this impossibility europe must help us. but europe was extremely, very, to be involved in this conflict, which risks escalating into an overall european war? right. andrea had her off. let me put that question to you that her car,
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jess asked, why should europe and natal offer any carriage to moscow right now? oh, i don't see that there is a chance for in a carol, but the single will be more and more states are are so far as i mentioned previously, very, very few chance of the realtor operation will be stopped because our who do i have a very clear picture in front of you. you want, oh zalinski. and so the government of your brain to resign. he wants to bring you government. he wants to change the constitution, make a little ukraine out of any of the 3 blocks for his. you knew that a friend, though, of course, and of course he needs what he calls demilitarization of ukraine, and they're not sci fi cation of the grant, which is both are very, very difficult. ok, well gentlemen, let's take
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a closer look at some of the mediators in this conflict. south france currently holds the rotating presidency of the european union before the invasion present. micron took part in negotiations that led to the minsk agreement to secure a cease fire in east in ukraine. turkey has good political and economic ties with both ukraine and russia. ankara called the invasion unacceptable, but opposes sanctions against moscow. it's also sold drones to ukraine, angering the kremlin. israel also has long established ties with both countries, about 200000 jews, live in ukraine, and some have already fled to israel as refugees. and israel relies on the kremlin to have horde, nate security and syria. it also wants russia support for a tougher stance against iran's nuclear program. my one couple on let me come to you and talk about israel 1st, an unexpected player, an unexpected new player. in this crisis, at least we saw prime minister enough talley bennett fly to moscow. hold talks are
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with vladimir putin. what can israel bring to the table? is israel a potent mediator in this crisis? while i mean, i don't, i don't feel like these, right is, or the turks or anybody i actually can bring any solution to the causes of this, this is, are playing actually to play, to be, are all and all of this because they are having good relations with what the, what you're going russia and the on the other hand planning to push the company to take more, i guess there was a shift towards that towards russia. is, are in as district, i mean having the best interest in keeping the competition with our strategy yet because i'm actually to go after the wrong hands in that country. on the other hand, they are having also very quick buys with ukranian president dimansky,
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some of the sky close by the, by the actually having a ship isn't ship and i need also interested in protecting the jewels of korean smith, the operation by, by our shop. so i think, i think it all trying here my one to, to have some leverage on the run nuclear given that russia is involved in those negotiations. absolutely, and i think they already must have received the very positively that was yesterday when they demanded that they are great relationship with the up the affected by the us sanctions. if they are to, to go with the vibe and then the nick deal with their, with the so i think this is something came like like a gift out of the blue for days. and they they believe that it might still be possible for what the nicholas used to be to be somehow get it. yeah. so
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of course, i mean they have this interest served with, with, with carolina in brussel, french president, emmanuel macro has kept an open communication line with vladimir putin. his only easy, one of the very few western leaders has done. so how can he make a difference using and can he make a difference? does put, does he have convincing? you know, a convincing method? probably the only method reach micro problems is the biggest power in europe and putting only this is the power. but i think that's the only thing because i don't think there's a lot of support at the moment. and you know, let's say for be talking grounds which mac has got the food over the last 2 weeks and which has no effect. so we know that this is almost nobody to fuel to its military. so that's why i wonder why micro is going up. on top of that, what i see is that my role is he coordinating with all of you to be partners i industrial,
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but that's not really, he's not the missionary. he's the mr. new approach. so we need to have the 1st goes to speak on the all the same wavelength when it comes to, to how to deal with, put in. are they all agreeing that the sanctions is what they should be doing? and that what they should insist on a does so sora digital beans are we getting, be willing to do much more if you see what all of us doing of them all on the polish haiti, do russians. we know this is a long time, but overall if you cd the my for say she, she got imagining articles over the last said like this weekend or last week's cleared and there's a strong support to take a very hard line against. okay, let me ask you are andrei in moscow about something college i said there does present putting listen to anyone, you know, who would be a credible mediator to him in this crisis. right now we saw israel prime minister in moscow. could israel b or, you know, a good broker in this crisis?
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a fire rush as well? no, i don't think so though it was. so please the zelinski, who at the 1st page of the conflict who proposed will make conflicts wire israel because zelinski himself is a jew and has miracles, relations. but or the problem is that for 4 or 2, she doesn't pull any kind of rocker are between him and you create the problem is that are good in doesn't want to have a peace deal. i mean the traditional way of understanding of her term. but she wants her capitulation of ukraine. he wants her step down or zalinski and this why are no broker? no, no one knows that aside, i can bring all this things to compromise. this is the difficult that concerning my
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crop. i think that 8 my personal opinion, but i think all his people just talked i it's of the senseless. ah, because she cannot play any serious role. and her also because i ah, by my say, so because i've been here recently, i know the situation. he's not very much respect that the new brand new credit leadership. that's why he is not the guy who can make her some kind of agreement that separate separate. okay, what are your thoughts about best con manual ido andrews says put in. doesn't want a piece deal, so where do we go from here? natal insist that ukraine to sovereign country. we should have the right to decide whether it wants to be in nature or not. i mean how, how do we move on from this, jennifer? it is think, you know, i mean, i think it will be what we need to do as europeans. this is all the help support moral support would be great in our meet with your kind of people at the station at
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the maximum possible without interfering into the war without opening the sort who become a european over world war and others. of course, at the moment robin, but the old no, does he not already today? ukraine has long the, the communication campaign about this war. and also ukraine has so much more damage to the russian military. done, the russians has ever expected. so once the bad news gets out into russia, hope that this war is advancing for the russians. right. it could change the future for, for a good, very tough call. i wanted to ask you about the, the natal issue. why is that so difficult for europe and end nato to compromise on the issue of ukraine as seating to nato? does sovereignty mean that a country is free to make its own decision irrespective of the security of others? i mean, would the us, for example, allow mexico to have a security deal, a security alliance or military alliance with russia or china, for example, already? not certainly. you wasn't of the law mexico. uh huh. it's in the goober crisis that
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night. so why should they ukrainians be at be, be allowed to be part of nato? if that's a main concern, i said, because for russia that would be a challenge. and that's how it has been seen over the last 10 or 12 years from the south of instruction 2008. when there was a possibility or some groups were advocating under the bush administration for a crane to become a member of nato. we have seen that for the nato to defense ukraine against aggression of russia like today would be almost impossible because who claims such a large country, which is also geographically positions very far towards the east. of course that is the rest of which is close to poland. checks for break. yes. as well. thank you. i'm tech republic for example, but that is the other part which is very hard to use and that is a problem for you. oh, good. the defense for europe underneath could be defined to contribute to so far to the east. for example, take the couldn't. anyway, we have see know the question. also ga, ga, asking for a membership of the you,
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which also will raise the question of them. also membership eventually of nato as well. can you go so far east? but i would say this is the one of the positive, very difficult to say also the developmental the discretion. is that the support for you and the sport for you has grown enormously and only 2 weeks? well, let's talk about turkey, my one couple on another country which, which is supposed to be part of the european union, but it's not turkey playing it's card in this complex situation very closely. what can turkey bring to the table given its relations with both ukraine and russia? and what do you think is needed for a break fill here? i think i'm being very little in my opinion as you your previous guess it. but as then put in or not accept or reject change in your korean. and also getting or the guarantees that they will not be part of me at any time in the future. the troops actually, because they're having also is that interesting this off, they don't want pack, she russia to be there in your brain. because if there are schanzer,
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they said that most of the course of the black sea that will, would be negatively impacting the security of authority. about on the other hand, he would like actually to keep working relationship with the, with russia not one has been developed, especially in syria, but they are having also competitions and many other places like in media and in, in. ok. so the 30 here are planning on one hand to keep the relationship with turkey with, with russia, because we are also having that relationship with, with russia. the balance between the 2 countries at this year is expect last year actually was like $50000000000.00 is expected actually to rise. ok. so i think they ought to be on one hand, trying to have this relationship with our shop. on the other hand, they have
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a strong relationship also with you, with you and be on the train actually, by, by 30 she's gone. let me ask you, john may 1 last question to each one of you. and very briefly, if you can, starting with you andrew in moscow, what is needed for a breakthrough in this crisis. i can see only one way is a personal meeting because we can this is the only way how the things might happen . but there are very, very few chances less than 20 percent that this meeting can take place. okay. your thoughts caroline, with a personal meeting between zelinski and put in make any progress. i wonder for that because of the hostility emboldened well, it didn't see already or well, the whole kind of agreement on the special far but i think let's see what would change a bit of the picture but also where you don't go to use if the chinese booker, very positional. what does it remain for the problem?
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she moved to take a position where he manages to temper the feeling. so what did that may make a change? all right. a mon cadillac in doha. what could change you think? well, i think, i think a meeting between fulton and joe biden might actually change things. i don't think between put an ends at ascii is going to do anything i think, put in his, mainly interested and in the united states and in your us action. and is crisis because we are not all these concerned that they were smart. do you agree? what wow, i've got to stand number 2 for russia. that is buddy possible. and so i think only on meeting between the 2, the 2 big bars could actually make a big or discard. so more talks, more meetings needed. thank you very much gentlemen. for a very interesting discussion. andre fedor off kyle, lana and my one cadillac, and thank you for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website at al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our
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