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usable, dump, they hope one of the dozens of people sorting through the garbage and debris might offer a lead. and with it, a chance at finding a missing person. still alive. there, dick, i joy embassy level since the 1st day. my phone, there's a paid. i began searching for him. i've searched all of mexico quality in the 12 years of fashion with them as well. american migrant movements have had the fortune of finding people alive. we found more than 300 people in the number of missing persons in mexico is fast approaching 100000 and search brigades, led by families now take place all across the country in would feels like a never ending search for the disappeared man waited upolu al jazeera mexico city. ah judge is there a reminder now of the top stories. another attempt to evacuate civilians is underway in the ukrainian city of sunni where an overnight to airstrike killed at
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least 20 people previous attempts over the past week fell apart, and civilians reportedly came under fire. grains president is condemned. they repeated violation of sci fi deals with russia. bondsville dorm of it grew chugs years or they are consciously blocking food supplies and water, and switching off electricity in mary up all for the 1st time since the nurses occupied a child has died from dehydration. listen here, media partners. a child has died in 2022 of dehydration does have ard on the modesty. we have seen a lot of promises and agreements, namely about the creation of humanitarian corridors. but they haven't worked so far . and i have no more time to wait. and mary, are poor. people don't have time to wait any more. yeah. occupants want our people to die by your people or so fleeing the city of car heave, which has been devastated by russian air attacks. more than 100 people have been killed in ukraine. second largest city, chance rapids isn't separate,
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easier at which is part of the humanitarian corridor. this finally is a cold water trucks carrying humanitarian aid of boxes. heading to the besieged child of marianna. there are dozens of these school buses. we paused earlier on the heading south of unless some maricia about an hour ago just shot around and show you where they will be going. this town here is the last town we understand in full control of the ukrainian military. the ukrainian military are in full control and is continues here on al jazeera right out there in fine story. say next time, bye for now. teaching in you can watch out to see were english streaming light on
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night. peachy channels plus thousands of off programs award winning documentaries and death news reports subscribe. take you cheese dot com. forward slash al jazeera english as russia intensifies its war on ukraine and leaders from the us, france, turkey and israel said of attempts to stop the conflict. does diplomacy still stand a chance and what's needed for breakthrough? this is insight. ah hello and welcome to the program, am fully back table. russia says its invasion of ukraine could stop at any moment if keith agrees to its demands. these include recognizing crimea and breakaway
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regions in east and ukraine as russian territories. and as the war intensifies, world leaders are increasing their diplomatic efforts. the u. s. secretary of state has visited moldova and nato allies, poland, lithuania and latvia, antony blank, and hinted at more sanctions against russia, including banning oil imports. he reminded present vladimir putin of the price his paying for continuing the conflict. we see the rouble going through the floor. we see rushes credit rating coming, basically to 0 to drunk status, as we would call it. we see a stock market shut down. we see an exodus of virtually every leading company from russia. all of those things are happening. they're happening in real time at the same time. other steps that we've taken, including export controls on of the most important technology that russian needs to modernize for the future, including its defense in aerospace industries, including its energy sector. that technology is being denied to russia. that's
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going to have a powerful impact over time. meanwhile, diplomatic efforts continue turkey says the foreign ministers of russia and ukraine will meet in on tale or later this week. the leaders of france and israel are talking to me, a protein as well. front is emanuel my coal spent 2 hours on the phone on sunday, urging the russian president and military operations and protects ukraine's nuclear sites. and israel's foreign minister, enough, tiny bennett, made a secret trip to moscow on saturday before meeting germany's chancellor in berlin. join a hole has more from the vive. in western ukraine, several world leaders have dipped their toes into increasingly murky diplomatic waters. in recent days. on the weekend president emanuel micron of france held his 4th phone call with lead to be approved in the criminal since the invasion began on february, the 24th, the pest spent an hour and 45 minutes talking on the phone on sunday. president macro is said to have urged routine to uphold humanitarian law and to respect the
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safety of ukraine's nuclear sites. naphtali bennett, the israeli prime minister, took off on a secret flight to moscow on the weekend spending 3 hours with mister putin in the kremlin before then. heading off for further talks with the german government in berlin, but the phone call that has produced the most information for us about what president putin is currently thinking took place on sunday between him and president, one of turkey, mr. heard on, urged putin to declare a cease fire to open humanitarian corridors, and to sign a peace agreement. and he offered turkey as a host for talks that was from the turkish side. in response, the kremlin says, mister putin said the only way out of this war is if ukraine surrenders its weapons and guarantees all of the kremlin demands. those to remind you include not just the full military surrender of ukraine, but also guarantees about its neutrality. that it will never become
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a member of nato. mister putin also wants crimea to be recognised as part of russia after its annexation into $1014.00. and he wants recognition of the independence of those breakaway regions. in the east, mister putin reportedly said that russia's war goals were on track for being met. and he said he hoped that ukrainian negotiators ahead of talks due to continue this week would approach those talks in a more quote, constructive manner. ah, so can diplomacy ultimately bring an end to the conflict in ukraine? let's bring in our guests for today's show. in moscow, we have under a federal who served as deputy foreign minister of russia, and is a chairman of the fund with political research and consulting in russia, in brussels. carol nano chief executive of the center for european policy and studies. and in doha marwan cavellas,
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head of policy analysis at the ab center for research and policy studies. thank you all gentlemen for joining us on inside story andre fedor, off in moscow. let me start with you. the 2 sides, russia and ukraine have engage in a couple of rounds of discussions bilaterally. but russia has not paused its military operations in ukraine. is the kremlin at all interested in diplomacy? of course kernan is interested in the blog post about. the problem is there are, during this recent contacts, we shoot through place a better one obstacle, russia, formerly the very clearly our number of demands which are unacceptable for ukrainian . so that's why our little during this diplomatic context, we can, the moralists agree only on some material issues, but all the main political issues are left on saw. and there are, if you chances they can be saw in the way. why wouldn't want,
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what is president putting stinkin and tray? i mean, what's his decision making process and do you think he's willing to make any compromises on? on some of the red lines he said he wouldn't cross. or no, i don't think looked in case of your brain. ah, he will. he's absolutely not ready for compromise. our ship will to very clear goal for himself. ah, do, sir, as he mentioned recently, that if there will be no agreement of ukraine on our demands, ah, you brain might lose it state who. so it's a really clear line. that's why we can expect that the minister aggression might stop soon. ok, so you don't expect the military operation to stop soon, moran combine into her. let me tell you in now, a lot of actors in this crisis trying to push for diplomacy. i turkeys. foreign minister has announced that the foreign ministers of russia and ukraine will meet
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in antalya and later this week, could they be a break? 3 think there's diplomacy still stand a chance in, in your view it in this crisis? no, i don't think i don't think so. i don't think i see is having any chance this particular stage and they're making any progress i think president is using while actually and also using military force on the ground with their premium to get the conditions. and he wanted the very beginning. i think he, he's trying to, to get as much as possible out on the korean government. most important for him that helps is to get the concession that makes green that mr. green be not but of near to. and
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also that is on the, on the country or to get there. so i don't think that diversity is having any chance or not. okay, so let me come to you now. then in brussel, caroline, oh, andre in moscow says the military operation will continue. my one cumberland says he doesn't think diplomacy, sans a chance. do you see any avenue for de, escalating this conflict or any possible ways to end the crisis? diplomat, diplomatically limit the chances, certainly, since so much damage has been done. we cranium side as well in civil military firm . so my cell phones, the buildings, roads, and ukraine. i think the hosting that we have simply increased from where it was say, 2 weeks, 3 weeks ago. so i think it's to me difficult to come to the pro magic solution. anyway, you were trying to have a phone diplomatic solution with all the sensors that hasn't boats. i say don't military call, haven't sanctions alone,
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haven't been enough to make put in paul's the invasion and bring him to the negotiation, negotiating table in the humanitarian crisis. we're seeing is, is worsening. the conflict escalating albino is, is europe considering other diplomatic options? are they other solutions on the table as far as the europeans and natal is concerned? and the reason people know, considering the cycle and all kinds of import from gas and oil from russia at the moment. but of course that poses a problem. hoble, replace it because a dependency on garza, i and n for it's for energy and european countries, different goals here. but if you look on your to baltic states, it's a 100 percent dependence on gas alarm from russia. so it is extremely difficult to count for places, all right. on the other handler is regard to the sanctions like financial sanctions, sanction against the banks to sanction against the only heart. you will only see the effects after a few days, or rather a few weeks or after a few months,
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render as shinnecock gonzalez trees. but those are, those are fix, right? i mean, the europeans always seen from europe right now. i think there's any carriers they could all offer right now to moscow. why should they also go to law school as multiple started this conflict? i just don't know what kind of concession they should make to moscow. and not even evaluating a crate more receive already does the whole debate about the north shore, where cray would like to have adult eyes on towards the restroom. but of course, shouldn't, hasn't no way we can, we can do this. sure and done no savanski thing, that is impossible to say. you must help us. but europe is extremely afraid to be of all so much of this conflict, which he risks escalating and to an overall european bar. right. and i had her up, let me put that question to you that her car, jess asked, why should europe and natal offer any carriage to moscow right now? oh, i don't see that there is a chance for carol, but the single will be more and more states are,
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are so far. as i mentioned previously, very few charge of the military operation will be stopped. because our, who do i have a really clear picture in front of you. you want, oh zalinski. and so the government of your brain to resign. he wants to bring you government. he wants to change the constitution, make a little grain out of any of the 3 blocks for his. you knew that a friend, though, of course, and of course he needs what he calls damien to zation. of your grand benefits. if you cation of your grand, which is both, are very, very difficult. ok, well gentlemen, let's take a closer look at some of the mediators in this conflict. south france currently holds the rotating presidency of the european union before the invasion present. micron took part in negotiations that led to the minsk agreement to secure
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a cease fire in east in ukraine. turkey has good political and economic ties with both ukraine and russia. ankara called the invasion unacceptable, but opposes sanctions against moscow. it's also sold drones to ukraine, angering the kremlin. israel also has long established ties with both countries, about 200000 jews live in ukraine, and some have already fled to israel as refugees. and israel relies on the kremlin to have coordinate security in syria. it also wants russia support for a tougher stance against iran's nuclear program. my one couple on let me come to you and talk about israel 1st and unexpected player, an unexpected new player in this crisis, at least we saw prime minister enough talley bennett fly to moscow. hold talks are with vladimir putin. what can israel bring to the table? is israel a potent mediator in this crisis? well, i mean, i don't, i don't feel like these radius or the turks,
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or anybody. i actually can bring any diplomatic solution to the causes of this. this is our playing, actually to play, to be our own and all of this because they are having good relations with ukraine and russia. and the, on the other hand, planning to push to be more aggressive. was it your doors that was russia, is, are in as district, i mean is having the best interest in keeping the competition with our strategy yet because i'm actually to go after the audience in that country. on the other hand, they are having also advise with your cranium, presidents davinsky, some of the advisors about the actually having a citizenship. and i was also interested in protecting the jewels of you know,
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using split the operation by, by our shop. so i think they have been trying here my one to, to have some leverage on the ron nuclear given that russia is involved in those negotiations. absolutely. and i think those ideas must have received the better positively than it was yesterday when they demanded that they have a great relationship with the wrong be affected by the us sanctions. if they are to, to go with the vibe. and then if you know the nick lucky with the ross, i think this is something came out like like a gift out of the blue for those ladies. and they are, they believed that it might still be possible for, for the nicholas. it will be to be somehow get it. yeah. so of course i mean they have this interest served with, with, with us a carolina in brussel, french resident emmanuel. michael has kept her an open communication line with vitamin put in his only easy,
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one of the very few western leaders was done. so how can he make a difference? he thing and can he make a difference? does put, does he have convincing a convincing method? we voted your legal literacy method, reach micro houses that frances, the biggest military power in europe and putting only this is to power. but i think that's the only thing because i don't think there's a lot of support at the moment. and, you know, let's say 40 talking rounds, which micron has got big food over the last 2 weeks and reach has yielded no effect . so we know that this is almost nobody to fuel through this military. so that's why i wonder why micro is going up and all of that, well as she is that micro, is he coordinating with all of you to be partners? i think he does, shall. but it's not really. he's not the missionary. he's the mission needed of france. so we need to have the person who goes to it to speak on behalf of all europeans and on the same wave length when it comes to,
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to how to deal with putting. are they all agreeing that the sanctions is? what they should be doing, and that what they should consistent a just so sore and i think your beans are we getting be willing to do much more if you see we're all on the snowing out. them all on the polish haiti, do russians. we know this is a long time, but overall if you cd de my facetious vehicle, imagine being articles over the last say like this weekend or last week's, it's clear that there's a strong support today very hard line against russian. okay, let me ask you are andrei in moscow about something college i said there does president putin listen to anyone? you know, who would be a credible mediator to him in this crisis? right now we saw israeli prime minister in moscow. could israel b or, you know, a good broker in this crisis as far as rush as well? no, i don't think so though it was. so please the zalinski who at the 1st stage of the
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conflict who proposed will make the conflicts wire israel? no, because zelinski himself is a jew and has miracles, relations. but oh, the problem is that for quote you, she doesn't pull any kind of rocker are between him and you create. the problem is that are good. he doesn't want to have a piece deal. i mean the traditional way of understanding of her term, but she wants her capitulation of ukraine. he wants her step down or zalinski and this why are no broker? no, no one knows that aside, i can bring all this things to compromise. this is the difficult but concerning my crop. i think it's my personal opinion, but i think all his based on his folks i it's of the senseless aah! because she cannot play any serious role. and her also because ah, ah,
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i might say so because i've been here recently, i know the situation. he's not very much respected in your brain, your brain, a little shit. that's why he is not the guy who can make her some kind of agreement that separate separate. okay, or what are your thoughts about best? her con, manual ido, andras' has put in doesn't want a piece deal. so where do we go from here? natal in says that ukraine's a sovereign country, we should have the right to decide whether it wants to be in nature or not. i mean how, how do we move on from this jennifer? it, if they can? no, i mean, i think it will be what we need to do as europeans, as if all the help support model support to be creating an army with ukraine, of people at the station at the maximum possible without interfering and to door without opening the door to become a european over world war and others of course, at the moment robin, but the old. no, does he not already today?
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ukraine has long the, the communication campaign of all this war and also you, craig, has so much more damage to the russian military. done, the russians has ever expected. so once the bad news gets out into russia, who but this war as advancing for the russians, right. it could change the teacher for, for a very tough at carl. i wanted to ask you about the, the natal issue. why is that that so difficult for europe and end nato to compromise on the issue of ukraine as seating to nato? does sovereignty mean that a country is free to make its own decision irrespective of the security of others? i mean, would the u. s. for example, allow mexico to have a security deal, a security alliance or military alliance with russia or china, for example. nobody not certainly you wasn't not allowed mexico. uh huh. last is the google crisis that night. so why should the ukrainians be at be be allowed to be part of nato? if that's a main concern, i said,
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because for russia that would be a challenge. and that's how it's been seen over the last 10 or 12 years with instruction 2008. when there was a possibility or some groups are advocating under the bush administration for trying to become a member of nato. we have she, that 40 natal to defense ukraine, a credenza rational. russia like today would be almost impossible because you couldn't have such a large country, which is also your graphically positions very far towards the east. of course that is the rest of which is close to poland checks, correct? yes. as will make the architecture public for example. but that is the other part which is very hard to use and that is a problem for you. oh, good. the defense for europe underneath could be defined the country, which are so far to the east, for example, take the couldn't. anyway, we have see know the question. also ga, ga, asking for a membership of the you, which also raise the question of membership. also membership eventually or nato assault. can you go so far east? but i would say this is the one of the positive,
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very difficult to say also the developmental the discretion. is that the support for europe and the sport for you has grown enormously and only 2 weeks? well, let's talk about turtle my one couple on another country which, which is supposed to be part of the european union, but it's not turkey playing it's card in this complex situation very closely. what can turkey bring to the table given its relations with both ukraine and russia? and what do you think is needed for a break fill here? but i think i'm being very little in my opinion as you, your previous guess it. but as then put in or not accept, but re jim change in your korean and also getting or the guarantees that they will not be part of it any time in the future. the term actually because they are having also is that this often they don't want actually to be there in your brain. because if there are schanzer gates, that, that most of the course of the black sea that will, would be negatively impacting the security off of 30. but on the other hand,
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i would like actually to keep working relationship with the, with russia not one has been developed, especially in syria, but they are having also competitions in many places like in media and in, in. ok. so the folks here are playing on one hand to keep the relationship with turkey with, with our shop. because we are also having the relationship with, with russia. the balance between the 2 countries at this year is expect last year actually was like $50000000000.00 is expected actually to rise. ok. so i think they ought to be there on one hand, trying to have this relationship. keep this relationship with our shop. on the other hand, they have a strong relationship. also with you with you. i'm actually a buyer. my 3rd, she's gone. let me ask you john, me one last question to each one of you. and very briefly, if you can,
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starting with you andrew in moscow, what is needed for a breakthrough in this crisis. i can see only one way is a personal meeting because we can this is the only way how the things might happen . but there are very, very few chances less than 20 percent. that this meeting can take place. okay. your thoughts carolina would a personal meeting between lensky and put in make any progress. i wonder for that because it's been both since you already heard about the whole kind of agreement, especially with our but i think i see what could change a bit of the picture. but also what it is is the chinese book of some position remains study and probably she wanted to take position where he manages to temper the feeling that may make a change. all right. my one calon into what could change you think?
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well, i think i think of meeting between bruton and joe biden might actually change things . i don't think between put an 100 ascii is going to do anything i think, put in his mainly interested and in the rockies. and in your reaction, in this crisis, because we are now is concerned that they might be a green mile. and i've got to number 2 for russia. that is very possible. so i think going to the meeting between the 2, the 2 bit bowers could actually make a break to discard, so more talks, more meetings needed. thank you very much gentlemen. for a very interesting discussion. andre fetterhoff, kyle latino and my one calon. and thank you for watching. you can always watch this program again. any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. you can of course, also join the conversation on twitter. handle is
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