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welcome back to the same is when a little while i get to see he welcome. ah, thanks for having me. it's great to be back. i can see a couple of your books in the background, your se sick. so now i am i on shot mile on that still publishes. we'll see your work unsafe act now it's it's, it's not for me today not get to you by now. i don't. there is a situation where they don't get themselves. i think um, you know, i was looking at some pulling off of that some of the mix reviews that came out last week in the u. k. and one thing it's really interesting is there's still a resistance to non white writing that does, that doesn't right to the white gears. yeah. it's, i'm writing in english, but i'm not playing by the queen's rules. are we're doing what we do. i mean, it's bad enough that we're using this language, but you know, we're subverting it where you think by our rules,

redoing things that are not supposed to do. we do things like not distinguishing machine, a pass stance, and present tends to the verb, you know, well of speakers do it to make on partner speakers. do it nigerian pigeon speakers do it. who doesn't do it? are stodgy, british lit establishment. so there is still, there are still, i can of a resistance for literature that doesn't go out of its way to meet a certain kind of reader on their terms. i'm gonna take us back an audience back to august the 2015. and that was when you are listed for the moment book, a prize and somehow miraculously, equally to physically come in to ask you to in washington d. c. they end of that show me since when i osteen your writing, what right now i am writing. what am i doing? i am writing. i'm trying to write a novel that plays on african mits and mythologies in. so i'm actually going,

speaking of comics, i'm going total geek as a chart required thing that got post. it says that i have a whole room flu or is film i. 1 mean, you should do it to an extent with each novel where i can of create a spirit, a cinema feel of me than an el, chico. so we have a title yet? no, it does not. oh, okay, but i am working on hey cass, i know how much i had so much here and who is a young and fresh and fat back then 7 years later they mile and 7 years later, none results. no one book to 2 books. so this kink, this geeking out that you did as has been french. let's talk about how you go about creating a different kind of african world that is fantasy full of black people

that well, the 1st thing, well, it's very easy to simply just grab facts, thus that's not hard. it's, it's, well, it used to be harder because most of the, in a lot of the, the history and so on that was written about the continent was written by europeans . and right now those really only serve no purpose that serve really as comic relief. ah, because was books are so ridiculous, i'm but there's a lot of work in a prison day, a contemporary history and an anthropological work. and, you know, gathering of records and gathering of those were it's some songs and words of the greer's all of that. the information is there, that's not enough as to change how i read. it says that it's, it's as a change. how i came across that information as a change. my idea that ah, history tolbert grill is of a lower standard than a history. tolbert historian. they're both historians so it wasn't just develop,

delving into tons of research and i did out that video stores. huh. but it was also changing how i read that research changing how i looked at all of that changing how and you know, i perceive information and, and so on. and, and so that also was a major part of the, the research process. learning how to read differently. one of the ways that you ground yourself in the well, it should create a spy using maps drawing madness. so you study to draw maps, i think as the maps in the book is actually your design work. everything you then send it off to a designer. i want to show a couple of these madison and help us understand how they then go around or to well, think you'll writing about it, his maps. yeah, well actually they are my design and illustrating work. and you know, back in another life i was a designed on an illustrator. i used to do graphic design. i used to even work on

sean paul's album covers. i was a lifetime ago. excuse me. ha, ha bracken, that humble. brag. ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. but the problem, the poker's is and then that guy. yeah. when the publish it was back when i was a designer, i didn't. so am that nightmare. yeah. you know, the thing about fantasy is that it's very easy when you're writing and imagine world to feel like a tourist in your own book. and a way to get around that is to create a world that you're already living in. and the griffin level maps is that much to do this interesting thing did define you, and then a confine. you and the confine is actually good. because you feel as if you're bouncing against a real world. i can't just have a character go from north the south in a weekend and more because a map says it takes 4 months after the length of the story and you know, it's,

it's so it's gives me the sense that i'm writing about an actual place. so i drew some maps that i started writing and the maps inspire to writing, but then sooner, lou, after that the writing starts in spirit maps. and there's this ongoing thing going, you know, that, that continues, but yeah, it was, it was off on talk, a book, eking out that was a lot of fun to do. although i had to re teach myself photoshop and all these things which i haven't had in years, you did a good job, congratulate him. he rank the birth and designed them maps. all right, so i want you to meet profess out juan j morales. he has a question for you, not hearing. what strikes me most about marlon james's work is, is how every chapter surprises us in it delivers these unexpected situations. it gives voice to overlook people. the characters are beautiful. they are tragic. and

the monsters are just super scary, nightmare fodder, and in the settings are partially built with, with all that brick faced storytelling. and it gives countless writers and readers all these new doors to open that remind us that genre, writing is literary. there's a larger cultural experience to be offered by fantasy sy fi and horror. i'm wondering. can you tell us more about your process using african languages in the dark start trilogy, while inviting a western audience to read and experience these languages? so naturally. oh, that's a great, great question. i wanted to almost add to it what he was saying about genre that i'm, you know, john or a division serves nobody and a problem with, with john or it can define a work. but it can also have people start ranking forms of researcher, which goes against everything goes against human nature. fantasy ultimately is myth making an hour mit sir important. and we can talk about this later. well,

how this came about because i felt i was mr man with a logical history, but now i am completely not answering the question. so i'm going to answer the question. i need to answer the question. yeah, yes it's, it's, so i won't study at, i mean i don't a claim that i, i know well of because i'm just starting. but the cool thing about learning a language is you learn the rules 1st. yeah. and falling to rule, when i say it's her fault, learn the rules of languages which i was going to court in depth in the book. but i know i wanted to use as a base in which to then you english, i learned and things like hold where to place a verb if, when i get that technical um, you know, when i grew up in jamaica, there are a lot of aspects of jamaica path, or that we're taught is simply inferior english. i always thought to fight at, i don't say went, nobody went in jamaica and miss him did go. or he soon go, or he can go or he won't go. hell even say he going go. and i've always thought of

that as what i was told. it's broken english. it's yeah. except it's not at all. it's one of the, it's another fantastic example of something that even a slave trade couldn't kill the way in which we come to the middle and end of a sentence. the way that for us action is always active. and when i talk about slavery and i talk about atrocity is done to us, i frequently alma, the only one we frequently sneak in the present tense and doesn't necessarily mean we're living in trauma so much as temporality is a different thing for us. yeah. as present and future is a different it's, it's, it is actually different than is when i come across a lot of criticism is always that, that it didn't find a way to get into that as well. and writing blackly what it can i don't my and so

it's a different way and i think that's what i drew from you. when did you, did you just put up a memory of me spending my entire childhood, telling my dad, you have to say turn off the light dad, not off the light. it's like show him off the light aligned tie. it was always off the night and now i can, i like at this conversation to help me really appreciate the richness of language. it doesn't have to know that reaches talking, but they also turn off into a verb like yeah, america we, we turn done into a verb moon. you know, john, know? yeah. right. so the latest installment of the dark style trilogy is moon, which spider king in a sentence, tell us what it's about. and then read asa paragraph because a great to make them right at once said the best lit sher can be read aloud under. who's that? oh, my lender, i mean, which i get moved,

rich spider k, a y can i say, while the villains of the 1st? what gets to tell her story, and man is it different? ah, you know, if you have read black lippard read all of you may have had some attachment to some of the characters you probably are going to regret that. i'm. so i want to read a sec very, very quick section of bo in and in this section sagal and becomes aware of her impact in the world. ah, which if you're a fan of, if you're if read leopard, read, well, you probably didn't even know she did this. she didn't know either until some she was told. so this is her more women come into the room as it get lighter and still more women. or perhaps i was seeing them all for the 1st time. you don't remember me, one of them say she were a band are on the eyes that her husband take away from her after you write the wrong done to me, the woman teach me how to see with my fingers, my ears and men. no. as she say, as she paint clay on my skin with grace,

you don't know me for then i was no woman so yet another. i called each of those women my sisters since then you remember us? the girls kidnapped to not caravan headed to morrow banjo. there was taken a so to see, to sell us off as wife went concubines, we were 7 and 8 that night you swooped down on the roof was the night. i know the gods didn't forget us. every woman in the room touched by the moon, which stepped forward the woman's, say, an ever woman in a room, look at me and approach the bed and surround it. they're packed the room right up to the doorway and still more was outside waiting to squeeze themselves in a girl worm through them to touch me and say they couldn't move my mother so to send me moon, which still slang through the trees, say another no plan to woman. oh dear, righting wrongs. plenty in north and south seeing moon,

which she is me. thank you. right. that's beautiful. the wealth. thank you. create the, the, the, now it isn't you create the character as a sexy and they, they are sensual, sexing beans. and something really jumped out at me is that they all, i want to say quick height as they are gender fluid. and there is a whole back story about why and how and humor around that. and it's just a very natural evolution. now if people only know africa from 2022 than they are going to think that, then you op subverting what laney african countries now feel about gender fluidity. right? but what you're doing is we claim inc and africa from before colonial times. tell us more. absolutely, yeah, absolutely. and i didn't said oh,

it's certainly not with black robert to write anything queer at him. think i surrender a something queer, a positive i was just following the research. and it was a research that led to all of that. you know, i remember on, you know, on facebook, look, the novel is lola somewhat acid, not is lola shine. i'm pronouncing her name wrong. i'm pretty sure am. ah, you know, if i'm or if, if nigeria, you know, if africa would ever be ready for queerness and queer rights and so on. and she said, africa was born ready until a bunch of tv preachers told them that they weren't. and that's what i've come to realize, you know, from what i've heard from my friends, who are writers, everybody knew the to aunts don't know the st. and is want to know that they weren't aunts and they weren't sisters. everybody knew. and that while the great things that have. 6 that we have absorb another thing that survived colonialism that survives slavery is the ability for black communities to absorb the other.

so set it up, he's the tone quare, but he oh ok where, you know he's, he's kind of miss up in the head, but he's our mess up in the head. he is that we've, we've always done that. it's a very is one that one of the very unique aspects of both african nissen blackness and we're come from is our ability to widen community. and i didn't realize that until, you know, i did the research that there were always made space. there are, there are bands of soldiers and warriors in, in, in an audio, ancient african societies ever want you to regain. because das, how will you gain a repetition that your virgin bread will be protected, traveling with us? because who's going to try anything. we don't go for that. it's, it's, it's, it's, it's been there her that i'd be everybody knew, you know, we're protecting virgin cargo. you call those guys and,

and there's always been any and you've read and more. it's the 5 read is the more i found it added, i honest to didn't go to the research looking for validation as certain, think out that didn't think i was going to find it in the past and that's where i found it. i have some questions for you from our audience. he'll watching right now and let me start with wavy tay. i hope you get a movie or show deal. i would love to see his books come to night. louis, tell us about movies. tell us about show dale's what's going on. send a tweet to michael the jordan. actually they're working there. yeah. so michael, michael, michael's company bought their rights for years ago. of course everything was everything covered added 2 years to including this. yeah. so we're moving, we're moving, we're trying to move full speed ahead. we're trying to reagan or momentum, but you know, where we're really working on a script. we have some very talented people already attached to developing. the 1st

of, of, you know, the 3, but yeah, it's still, it's still in production. it's still, you know, full speed ahead of time. lines are deadlines yet, but i'm, we're getting her. all right, this, this other question, friends, furniture. we got lots when i'm the i'm going to share the some because this is from the new c rincon alba. i am teaching a brief history of 7 killings at n y. you one of my lines, previous books for a caribbean music class and i was wondering if marlin has any tips and how to engage novels in a classroom setting. who, how to india. i asked me for lit teacher tips. yes. i, you are creative, right? a teacher, so what i do, i think one of the things i do as novel sometimes is i tried to also link them would source material on that. if we're going to talk about bob marley that maybe

we should listen to somebody, or maybe we should also spend some time and talking about lyrics or the poetics of, you know, of reggae music. and i, and also, you know, i love using film. what i'm teaching list, or everybody should watch rockers. how do they come? yes, and rockers and so on that that what you want to do is, is i said if you don't just want to read a book, you want to smell it, you want to taste it. you wanna, you want the sun, do you want a song to burn down on your back? nice new fan i you want? yeah. yeah. you know, you just want all that sensory detail on the more sensory details you can bring into that classroom. i think that's going to be a great class. thank you. i don't think very now there's not, there's not an endorsement of bringing weed to class. i just wanna say that he said like he may have done it. i you will. i would have been fired. i see my sally

for al is a medical psychotherapist and a writer, and she has a question for you all. and he, she is has a family child to be 18 in the caribbean diaspora. i find that week that you're doing with revisiting and remembering mythologies and history before this here, slavery. so powerful and important mostly because as a therapist, i knew that when we cannot remember who we really are and what really lies behind the things that we do, we end up compels to repeat them. and so my question for you is, do you have hope? what hope do you have for a while to impact your book and beyond if course, as many people are possible buying cookies and reading them? what impact to you and your writing, right, have i think i've 2 answers to that. one is,

i hope it encourages more people to write books like these. i'm morrison's as she wrote, you know, the books she wanted to read. and i don't think, i think one reason why it took me this long to write these books is because i never thought that these books could have been possible, even if i were to write them. and i, that's one thing. i do hope that i'm more and more people more and more writers. right. you know, rick recognized that the mythologies just lurking right behind them are rich for, you know, for their own, you know, for their own literature. and in terms of, you know, our readers, i, you know, i just, i hope that on the, the, the media was that we have that we can empower us whether it's even twitter or social media or so on, that we use more. because one thing is ev realized and you're going to realize it if you're writing a carbon novel and african novela native american novel that primarily speaks in

a voice that you know was in your head is that. 6 the audience you will find an audience is always been there. ready and waiting and ready to hear you that doesn't the necessarily, the establishment is it doesn't mean necessarily the publishing industry on the stands you are so on. so the, the, the, you know, being in touch with those readers. yes. do that read it. air may. and all that becomes really, really important because when i, you know, when i, when i come across readers, there is such a they feel a sense of familiarity with the work they see, such as, as of connection that um sometimes surprised me because sometimes i go through all the sort of gatekeepers on to get to them and, and, and it makes me think sometimes that maybe i'm not writing to write things or so on . and i can imagine that you're young writers out there who really do wonder if

anybody wants to hear their voice and answers. yes they do. i watched a lecture that you did a few years ago and it was a token like to say it's very prestigious lecture to do. and you took about fancy literature. you talk about your work and, and, and lots of other fantasy literature at the time. there was, there was a moment that just cracked me out because i have, this is sort of ju heritage where i studied english literature. but i'm african. so i have this like, how do i get my african cannon and i understand english teacher at the same time, i is a mishmash. and you mentioned the hoping i'm just gonna show you the picture here. and i feel like i feel like what we know currently as fantasy fiction and literature triggered you into writing the dark style trilogy. because there is not a single black brown person of color on that poster. in. now, when your books are made him to me, these young people,

wherever they are around the world that can have a very different vision, a fantasy wells. yeah, because i think there is still this idea that fantasies ultimately a medieval historical novel with merlin in it. or, you know, with with witches and goblins and dragons. um, you know, a mythological history and again, i love, i love merlin as much as anybody else. i am here for king arthur. i'm here for the green knight and, and i let my draggers and goblins i meg rooms fairy tales, us all well and good. there is something to be said though for constantly reading literature where nobody like you is in it. right? yeah, and it creates a sort of december bodied relationship to work that out. and james is a white person. i'm going to leave it there. i let me share everybody. thank everybody. all on, on my laptop, i mean which spider king by modern james currently available. you've heard the

writer, you hear where he's coming from, the book is available right now. thank you to you ye cheap as, as ye said tamala, we are so inspired that makes the 2 of us phoenix time. thanks. mullin. ah a story of life deception life and death and is ready spy operating on the deep cover in syria knowing that discovery would meet certain death. algae 0 wow, tells the gripping story of moffatt spy. eli komen operated on the cover in syria. in the 1960, i'm o'day's his career that ended in public execution. eli cohen must have agents atm on al jazeera. i talked to al jazeera, we also do you believe that the threat of an invasion of ukraine is currently the

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