stations like these have become a popular way to do it, whoever we are for, for peers will have ordinary from foreigners, as we are having in this part of failure. so we have to start somewhere. so there was a solution which was not perfect, but it was better than having the pin. the government says these efforts are being off and its recent report shows forests are growing, but some exports are skeptical. what it does is it, it, it quits natural flores with bland patients. no plant visions could be monarch out of land. patients are plantations, could be rubber plantations. it could be apple orchards, all of that. so it isn't, it's important to distinguish. there are laws and policies to protect forests in india, but many conservationists like georgia, dana thought are believed as little political will to enforce them. bargaining middle al jazeera new delhi. ah,

this is eric 0. let's get a round up now of our top stories. russian missiles have hit a ukrainian military training base in your voice. 20 kilometers from poland. russia claims to have killed a $180.00 foreign fighters at the base. the regional governor says 35 people were killed. ukraine's president has worn nato countries that they could be next, unless they take action. now, not yet sure. never would have dorski but of him to miss. this is the war of our lives for ukraine, for independence middle last year. as warning, the leaders of the world that if they don't have prevent of sanctions against russia, russia will assault them, are saying that they have the weapons and they'll hit the whole of europe. and today i'm saying it again. if you do not close our sky, it's a matter of time when russian rockets will land on the territory of nato countries and kill the people of nato countries. more than 2000 civilians have now been killed in ukraine's besieged port city of murder. you, paul, according to the city council, many of them being buried in mass graves. over 400000 people are trapped in the

city. and officials say the last reserves of food and water are running out. iran has claimed responsibility for a barrage of ballistic missiles. the struck me the u. s. consulate in the northern iraqi city of a bill. iranian state tv reporting the attacks were aimed at what it called secret israeli bases. it said they were in retaliation for an air strike in syria. they killed 2 of its revolutionary guard members. the u. s. official says there was no impact of the consulate, which is unoccupied. paul's of now closed in columbia's legislative elections. 39 period 1000000 people were eligible to cast ballots in sunday's contest. the result expect to set the tone for the presidential election. 2 months away. those are the headlines right now and i 0. it's our front stories of life. and inspiration,

a series of short document trees from around the world that celebrate the human spirit against the arts. ah, out, is there a select palestinians? since russia invaded ukraine, the world has responded with some of the most aggressive sanctions in history. what does refugees flee? and civilian death, tolls mount summer, asking if there are enough that conversation is coming up. but 1st, over 2000000 refugees afraid ukraine at the start of russia's invasion. and what the us have called the biggest movement of people in europe in world war 2. countries have opened up their borders, ukrainian refugees, but any say this fans in sharp contrast to the harsh border restrictions that african asian n middle eastern silent speakers had been facing for years to why the discrepancy

and treatment the joining us to discuss the ukrainian refugee crisis are china devine williams, head of global communications at you and hcr, who's been on the ground on the ukrainian border with neighboring countries to join us from budapest and kate white emergency program manager, with doctors without borders in geneva. thank you both for joining me on upfront, but china, i'll start with you. you and hcr is on the ground meeting refugees from ukraine at the border of neighboring countries. can you talk to us a little bit about the situation on the ground? what refugees have been facing and how the organization has been responding to it. yet fortunately, we've had a president both inside ukraine and in the neighboring countries for about the last 30 years. so we, we had our teams ready when the 1st, the war 1st broke out and we've been at the borders in romania and molto and poland

and also here and hungry. the situation is right now it's very well organized in terms of the reception of refugees. but the, the clear, the clear tragedy and the impacts on the hundreds of thousands of refugees that are arriving every day is, is so visible. kate, we're seeing an immense outpouring of support for ukrainian refugees right now. doctors without borders also has a presence in ukraine, and your teams are witnessing the impact of the conflict on civilians. one of the biggest needs right now in terms of support i think in terms of support and what i came to saying it, it varies quite dramatically. depending upon where in the country you are teams in the east, around marian pole right now. basically just trying to fly. i've given that being completely cut off. there's no water,

there's no electricity there running out of food. so really there it's about safe passage for those who need to be able to flee and ensuring that she met a terry and then medical supplies can come into the city. further west in the country, we're seeing more indirect and direct consequences of the war in terms of from a health perspective, trauma patients that really creating a significant burden on the remaining functional health structures. and then be on that there multiple needs in regards to the preexisting conditions of people that are being exasperated because they no longer have access to health services. china, what kind of challenges do you anticipate refugees will be facing in the coming months? we know that the situation is developing very quickly on the ground. i think one of

the things that we're most concerned about is that the people that are arriving now are the ones who have means they have resources. they have family, they have connections, either in the neighboring countries or further afield. what we're really worried about is, but the people who have not cross yet are the ones that will be more at risk. we're talking about refugees who will be elderly or living with disabilities. we're also talking about people who probably have less in terms of resources and ability to move out. now, the other issue that we cannot avoid, and this will carry on to the next month, is that every single refugee family that comes across are separated from love once they've left loved ones and family members behind. and this will weigh very heavily on the way that we are able to respond to their needs. in the coming months, kate headlines are proclaiming that europe has opened its doors to ukrainian refugees, and they quote, you nations unanimously agreed to accept ukrainian refugees for 3 years without

going through a silent process. now while we can agree that these are positive moves to be sure, why have the door's been shut to african asian and middle eastern asylum seekers for so long? that's a very, very good question that i not sure i am able or cold my to answer, but indeed in terms of, of what we've seen. some pontiac responding in various countries to day here at cherry to refugee crisis. this is dramatic, wrote to her from how it has left in the past. china, there are some pretty stark shifts. for example, just a few years ago, a hungarian prime minister victor orbit was building barbed wire fences and barriers to keep refugees out. creating teams of border hunters, border hunters to stop asylum seekers and said, quote, for us migration is a poison, we don't need it and won't swallow it now. he's welcoming ukrainian refugees in

with open arms. similarly, poland began constructing a wall to prevent asylum seekers from entering the country through its border with bella roofs, an area where at least a dozen asylum seekers froze to death. this past winter, now they're building a rail link to ukraine to help refugees enter poland. i want to keep building on this route. what do you think is behind the shift? not just in rhetoric, but also in practice. i think one thing that is critical here and there is, there is nothing positive that is coming out of this for. but i think one thing that we are focusing on is that this is an opportunity to shift this narrative to say that that is shared the responsibility of welcoming and supporting refugees is manageable. we are able to do this. european countries and international community overall is able to do this. the other thing

that i've seen here and i was at the writ, airway station today, here in budapest and i saw 2 trains arrive filled with refugees from ukraine. and many of them were actually 3rd country nationals. so a lot of students from africa i spoke to several from townsend, from congo and from ethiopia. they also were saying, look right now ukraine is our home. we were, you know, one of them was just about 6 months away from graduating. so they're, they're really unsure whether or not they want to try to wait and see if they can go back and finish their studies. and i think what we've seen and hungry is that they are saying any one coming from ukraine right now, we consider fiji and they're being treated exactly the same. which as you say is, is something that we welcome china. there are many africans in south asians, currently living in ukraine who have faced significant delays or even been

completely blocked from leaving the country. for example, a night during national father of 3 said he and his family were asked to give up their seats on a cross border bus out of ukraine, with cranium military officers saying, no blacks allowed. can you speak about what black and brown residents are facing? when they try to flee this war, i think in terms of you and hcr position, we've made it very clear. there can be no discrimination based on nationality, ethnic city or race. people that are fleeing from ukraine, regardless of their nationality or background, are fleeing the same conflict. and they deserve the same right to access asylum and to have have safety. that said, in terms of what's happening inside ukraine, it's very difficult for us to assess. we have, like you heard these incidents seen these report and we followed up both inside

ukraine and in the neighboring countries to, to work with the government to make sure that these are not policies. and that they are not going to be replicated. and so far we do have assurances on both sides that, that anyone who is trying to escape the war and ukraine will be allowed to do so. and will have saved an asylum on the other side in doctors without borders, doing anything to help these racialized refugees. so for us, we treat people regardless of race, ethnicity, or background. but what we're seeing more broadly in ukraine itself is a difficulty for population as a whole, to play, particularly for areas in the east where cities are becoming age and populations are struggling to move out and off in terms of the services that are being provided

in the country around the the population can be some of the most vulnerable and where trying as hard as we can to follow. and to look into this because it's is dreamily difficult at the moment door to track what happens to people once they cross the border. se, sending one today to reception centers, the whole moving on site. this is early dice with kate. is there any need for a more targeted response? it seems that the, you and hcr doctors without borders that has effectively taken a colorblind approach, saying, whoever you are, if you're need, we're going to help. but if there is a, a disproportionate number of racialized people being mistreated, being pushed off of buses being denied access to refuge. might there be a need for these organizations to actually over correct for that by targeting these

racialized groups nor indeed. so when we look at populations in a context, what we are looking at is what services are provided and who are the most vulnerable and we are in a similar position to, to china and you and hcr in a way that last we hear many of the reports and we hear it in the news in terms of what our teams are able to see right now. we're not actually able to say a systematic case of discrimination. however, vaal, given that it is so widely recorded, it is one of the things that we're looking at doing in terms of supporting because then that becomes an extremely marginalized population without the same access to the system that others have. china. we've also seen the media, including an al jazeera presenter come under fire for the way that they have

described, ukrainian refugees compared to other asylum seekers. some of the worst examples include reporters and commentators saying things like ukraine, unlike iraq and afghanistan is civilized in that ukrainians have blue eyes and blonde hair. how do these dehumanizing descriptions affect how people not just you, but ultimately treat asylum seekers? absolutely. i'm actually glad you brought that up, mark, because i think the way that we talk about refugees in general across the media has it's become such a negative thing. refugee has become such a negative word, and yet i think maybe the one thing that we're learning in this crisis is that absolutely anybody can become a refugee. and, and i have to say one of the journalists that i spoke to recently said a similar thing. and i, i did ask him, so are you saying that if

a refugee who looks like me or who looks like somebody from africa, are you saying that this is different? and, and i did, i think it's important that all of us actually face this. we talk about this and we talk about this difference. now what i can say is that if anything, this is showing that life is very fragile and it can change in a matter of minutes. i've met so many people in the last week along the border who literally had 15 minutes to decide what to take. because the shelling started getting so bad or so close that they decided instantly like we have to go and we have to go now. and so i think the one thing that we can try to do is not so much talk about how everybody is like us, but really talk about how we all live in a world that is very vulnerable and very fragile. and that can turn on its head and,

and so hopefully that will allow us to have a bit more compassion and to, to really be a bit more open about how we think about displacement overall. i want to thank you both china and kate, for joining me on upfront the since rushes invasion of ukraine on february 24th countries around the world have respond with sweeping sanctions. nato countries fearing that any kind of military engagement in the conflict could trigger a fully fledged war with the rest of europe and its allies have opted for an economic offensive. instead, countries around the world have frozen russian assets. they bard, the majority of russian banks from the swift, international payments system and the sanction russian oligarchy, and more new restrictions intended to cripple the russian economy are being announced on a near daily basis. and the ripples value has plummeted with economic forecasters predicting the russian economy will shrink by 7 to 15 percent this year. but will

be aggressive sanctions be enough to stop russia's war and ukraine. and what impact are they likely to have in russia and across the world? joining me to discuss this is survey glory of economist and scientific director of the master and ph. d programs in economics. as the poll paris, thank you so much for joining me on. upfront. russian president vladimir putin has called the western sanctions on russia quote, akin to a declaration of war. meanwhile, the u. s. and the e u. r. escalating sanctions including a band from the u. s. this week on russian oil and natural gas imports, and yet as to 1000000000 casualties, and ukraine continue to arrive. many are thing that the sanctions actually aren't even enough. where do you stand on that? i do think that sanctions are not enough in the sense that behavior has not changed when you put in the dublin down on the war. and initially the sanctions where a deterrent then instrument to change behavior. and now the situation is changing

and the sense that put in says i will not stop, i will bomb ukrainian cities. i will try to capture keith and change the government in ukraine even though occasionally says no, it's not my goal. but, but overall, overall, right now, sanctions are to increase cost for russian economy for mr. put him and make sure he doesn't have enough financial resources to continue the war. now mister jim has to france he has, i'm happy russians and whole who are hit by the sanctions who would like to protest against the war because the war is actually quite unpopular. it is not a provoked war, it's a prison bite and would say war of choice and the front in ukraine. so he knew a lot of money to pay his policemen in russia to beat up protesters to base. he's a proponent, is to convince whoever can be convinced that this is a just war and defensive war. and then of course,

to pay his soldiers in ukraine and in order to make sure that he doesn't have enough money. indeed, us has now hit the most important source of currency and budget revenues, which is oil experts. and yes, there's not a big important question oil, but us has been joined by the private sector. this is very important to understand . private companies like shall or be, or myers, do not have to stop buying russian oil and transport international. but they do, they, they have actually self imposed the sanctions on russian oil, which is now become in toxic for reputation reasons. and in that sense, right now, russian oil exports are dropped it and therefore russia is being after those resources. but there is not always the bade that europe should jain american embargo. and that's what really hit push them hard because europe is the main market for us and for them gas, the ruble is now worth less than one

u. s. penny. we've seen long lines of russians waiting for a tim machines. we've seen predictions that russian inflation will hit up to 17 percent this year and people are stocking up on medicines about 55 percent of which are imported. do you believe that the hardships that are being imposed on ordinary russians as a result of the sanctions will be effective if anything in fueling descent against prudent or is his hold on power so strong that it, that it won't matter. so this is like this change of behavior or get to replace the 2 sources a palace coup by the lead or and give by my protests when the policemen don't want a shot. and so mister booth is afraid of both. he lead time, very unhappy. imagine you've been building a company for 20 or 30 years and has destroyed in the one week, which for example, has happened to many russian businesses now with the population,

as you rightly serve populations, i'm happy as well. but then again, is to put in this mark here, he plays divide and rule with a leave and threatens jayden a poison in them. but also he invest a lot and brain washing the population saying you're suffering. but this is becoming aggression by the west. and we are, he mustn't, we are a victim or he also invest in right bullies. and so you are unhappy by the fact that you are a deposits are frozen and you cannot afford the medicines. and i think that your point pinpointed the family very, very important issue, because for many russians, the main to expect kind of consumers, furniture of food and medicines and medicines are important. and whichever are not important are also priced to reflect the global price of medicine. and so in that sense, be, russians are know, going below the poverty line, but can be protests against that. the answer is no, because the pushing for these is steal wellpaid and happy to be on the professors. and so unless mr. bottom is deprived of fiscal revenue,

which is better dollars. in the end of the day. he will double down. another piece of this is the impact of economic sanctions, not just on russia, but on the broader global arrangement of power and global economic circumstance. the wall street journal recently predicted bit thanks will have the biggest impact on the global economy of any such moves since 1945 because of the sheer size, of course, of the russian economy. we're already thing fuel prices rise in the e u and in the united states up the question though, for many, including myself, is, is the price of sanctions worth the cost that they will have for the rest of the world . well, as they say in russia, remember those happy pandemic times tonight? so this is much bigger than cover it. this is in europe. people think about this as 1939, and then did already. now we have more than to meet the few jeez,

from ukraine, that's bigger than that if you'd cry because of 2015, 2016, and the expected number as of today's 5000000. this is the biggest refugee crisis in europe since 945. and on top of that mr. podium has nuclear weapons. and so in that sense, in that sense, it's really a historic moment, which is somewhat similar and $939.00. and so a lot of countries say whatever the price of sanctions, we need to stop this aggressor because these aggressor is not going to be appeased . and this is, this is true because put in a way to ukraine in 2014. and people thought, well, he's gone what he want it, that's fine. he'll go back and he'll never invade us again. but what has happened? the problem is, if you are an aggressive like 938, you may get in another aggression and he has another aggression and that's why they were trying to fight this battle. now you are right that people talk too much about

the pain of higher oil and gas prices for europe, but it's going to be a much bigger pain for developing countries which don't have such a big corporate access to that market. and on top of the oil, that is also grain because both russia and ukraine, our biggest exporters of grain, and those experts will because adopted for sure. so things like things like oil prices, brain prices, some other things. and of course, this massive refugee flows. these are not, not outcomes who would love to see, but the alternative is that there'll be more crisis like this because as i said, mr. william has shown he doesn't like piece. he but he swore to nation trade and investment. do you believe that the international community is able to offer moscow in exit strategy from the crisis? and if so, what does it look like? so they'll be negotiation at some point when mr. put in around how the resources

and cannot continue his offense if any more of that will be some kind initiation. and indeed mr. put in a will probably want to come back to ration both of us and say we want. and so this is, this is a big question. how to define this victory? ukraine will never, it was nice. and the station of crimea, or independence of the yes, going to ask if we said we didn't graphs more or less, ukraine will not recognize that this land is not ukrainian anymore. but what may happen is a frozen conflict. and the factor ration of part of the ukrainian theory thing, and depending on ukrainian the resistance, which is of course beyond belief, it's merely really brave. these gram of land may be big or small. we don't know how much mr. woodham will be able to progress. how much existence he will, she may be, he will be pushed back to pretty war line of separation like on like line of

conflict. but this is a little something which is very hard to predict. another think which is happening is outside of fresh russians actually say this is not our war. and we will want to tell the whole world that mr. clinton doesn't really present fashion. and that is also something that will help to push mr. put him back as well. we, for example, establish the fundraising initiative, simply called through russia, that through russia, where we, we, russians abroad, fundraise for ukraine, refugees, to show that we don't share him with mister, put him thus, we don't believe that he's killing ukrainians in our name is, is he is something we should be blamed for so we don't remain silent and that will help ukrainians who suffer from his to put him and i hope that ukrainians will be able to defend their country. so. okay, great, thank you so much for joining me on up front. thank you. thank you. mark that. our

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