since y'all, the son of took many stands president will succeed his father after a landslide election when sedar bear deem walker made of 173 percent of the vote. in sundays ballad, the gas rich central asia nation has been under the rule of corben golly, buried de more commodore, since 2006, there's no meaningful political opposition in the country. ah, deadlines on al jazeera, ukrainian authorities say 2000 cars have left mary paul in the latest evacuation from the besieged city. this is after russia and ukraine agreed to open 9 humanitarian portals across the country. the leaders of poland, lavinia, and the czech republic are visiting ukraine's capital keys. marin says at least 4 people have been killed by strikes on tuesday. the un refugee agency says more than 3000000 people have escaped the fighting. one ukrainian child is becoming

a refugee every 2nd. that's almost one and a half 1000000 since the war began. a nearly 3 weeks ago, ukraine's president has been giving, given, has been given rather standing ovation by members of canada's parliament. in a video address, ramirez lensky appeals for more support, including a no fly zone. he said, ukrainians are going through hell because of the russian bombing. is nigel. it, we all need to do more to stop russia and protect your cream. and by doing that to protect europe from the russian threat, isn't there destroying everything or more your complex law schools, hospitals, housing complexes will. yeah. they've already killed 97 ukrainian children. we're not asking for much. we ask him for justice to do for your support, which will help us to prevail and defend and save lives all over the world. russia's foreign ministry has amounts, personal sanctions, on 13 u. s. officials including present joe biden. the list also includes the secretary

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we bring you the stories and developments that are rapidly changing the world we're living. what do you think's been driving diploma? tennessee not counting the coast on al jazeera. should nato impose a no fly zone over ukraine. as russia intensified air attacks, president vladimir zalinski repeated his call with the western military alliance is blocking airspace would escalate the war. so who's right? this is inside stuart. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim. jim rushes. invasion of ukraine is intensifying with air attacks on civilian areas. artillery shells destroyed several buildings around the capitol cave. at

least 2 bodies were pulled from the rubble of this apartment block russian air raids on sunday killed at least 35 people at a military facility near the border with poland. that was the largest attack on western ukraine since the invasion began. homes and hospitals and hark eve and maria paul have also been hit. russia denies targeting civilian areas, ukraine's president says the attack show why nato needs to impose a no fly zone to protect civilians. he's at us yells, delusional. you actually, and now i repeats again. if you do not close, i'll skies it is only a matter of time before russia, missiles full on your territory on the territory of nato, and on the hones of citizens of nato countries. even members of parliament of nato member estonia are the 1st to demand a no fly zone. some or all aircraft would be banned from flying over certain regions. any pilots violating the order risk being shot down. no fly zones have to

be enforced by military means. nato could end up engaging directly with russian warplanes, making the alliance direct participants in the ukraine war. nato in the u. s. previously imposed no fly zones when only one side had a powerful air force such as in iraq, in bosnia, in the 1990s. as well as uring libby as civil war in 2011. all right, let's go ahead and bring our guests from keith. helena and jenco, a member of the ukrainian parliament and deputy head of ukraine's parliamentary majority from brussels. robert michelle, a senior fellow at the casino, pulaski foundation in poland. he is also a former nato official, and from perth and australia alexi. moreover, off associate professor of national security and strategic studies at curtain university. a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. helena, let me start with you today. you and i spoke a little over 2 weeks ago on this program. at that time, you were calling for

a no fly zone. what does it mean to you to day that despite repeated calls from president zalinski, and so many others in ukraine, officials in nato have continued to refuse to impose a no fly zone. listen, i will tell you what no fly zone means for ukraine. young, innocent citizens, in its muse, dozen of thousands of innocent ukrainians, woman children, elder people, will be safe. you know that the crimes, the russian occupation troops are now kmiec and in my court and many other stages. but money all. but the situation and money is the worst. today the deputy head of met the pit. you may, your money reported that 20000 civilians were killed in money open. only. why and if 1000 people do you imagine that?

do you imagine the care of this grimes of russian troops in ukraine and the heat might open heavily from air? the heat is one of the ation. they keep it with it's grass tornadoes and stuff like that. they send miles to the peaceful features of ukraine. 20000 innocent ukrainians killed in only one see to you. and this is all happened because west and not the countries are not ready because they fear, i don't know what they fear. i don't know what they fear. don't be fear thousands of people being killed. but because they still fear to implement no fly zone in ukraine, the crimes against humanity is the murders of 1000 civilians are going on on a daily basis. i now i'm in ukraine. if i should tell you that it is horrible. we are going through a nightmare. many sieges,

many sieges of your grade are going through a nightmare of it on a daily basis. we hear miles from our windows on a daily basis. it's the thing that you can't get used to. this is the night to my out that we leave in, and no fly zone will definitely help to stole these crimes of russian troops that they could meet and keep committed in ukraine. this is what no flies own means. and we believe we say we believe that north liaison should be implemented, otherwise the world will not be a safe place to leave any more one country. if one crazy dictator called booth, you can send his troops to another country, a sovereign b as full democratic country. to start kill civilians than world is not a safe place any more. and that is why citizens all over the world and politicians

should actually start acting well more actively. robert, you heard what molina had say there about all that going on throughout ukraine? we know nato's position, which is that if they were to try to implement a no fly zone, they believe i could spark a wider conflict. let me ask you how much risk is there from your perspective that attempting to implement? no fly zone over ukraine would spark this far more dangerous conflict? yes or in my 1st of all, my heart and all the grains it's, it's a try to get it to attack the exterior, you know, russia beyond the stress. i'm a former official so i can speak my, you know, on stick me in a private mean. talk to me, 1st of all, i would not, not find some concept. you know, of the table i,

i would consider it more free perhaps, you know, in terms of maybe a partial. not like don't concern except in areas mario bold. it's an absolutely, you know, the most urgent example. i mean, it's not, i mean, 1st of all, there is nothing in international law which kind of make this, such a multi legal ukraine has the right and so the, the right last countries you know, to, to help and, and, and also, you know, even rushing to pokers the re, criminal not even putting in a walk at the also, you know, the right to protect doctrine, you try and un the problem is however, that right now, you know, there is no consensus and, and it's, you know, you have to ask this question frankly to copy those particular washington, but also in major european. so you know, when france,

my country potent often try to janice for free over 25 range. there was a number of countries king. again wishing or pin countries who started. no, no, that's a bad idea. even though nobody was asked flashy, why didn't? this is the reality that having federal bass, you know, it is true. one has to be, you know, crime, sort of wrecked about this, you know, no fly zones. what mean war with russia simpler back would, would bring to not just about sending a few planes here and there, it's neutralizing the actual potential which roster is using. i mean for example, the attack on every which is very close to the you know, took place was from the russian territory. so it would mean actually neutralizing, you know, a lot of infrastructure and perhaps even attacking, rushing, you know, a rush, replace new cranium, maybe rush. so, you know, this is very,

very serious. you know, we talking about a potential world war 3, and i can understand, you know, the reasoning provided by a lot of the, just in nato countries. and you need us a 2nd sense that you cannot have no advice on, you know, done by a few countries. but at the same time, the moral case for doing more than it's being done today is growing from where every hour, not even every day, every alexi you must have heard robert, there are talk about the fact that if this escalates, you could have world war 3 on your hands, from your perspective, is there a chance that nato could reverse its decision, that they could establish in all flies and what would need to happen in order for that to occur? look, i'm in the, one of the ways how it can be done. first. all we need to talk about british colleges even if need, that will happen. they typically decide to introduce the no fly zone. now it will

be a, it will phase. so then operational limitations, it will be limited by that variational range of it's a prop which will have to at the rate from need the airfield. because if they will try to deploy the assets inside your brain, that will be there will be designated as, as targets by the russian military. so in order to not not to create more escalation and certainly create this threshold beyond wage though, the conventional phase of the work can become an unconventional phase of the war, i think, one way or another. it has to engage in some sort of the way consultation and dialogue is as absurd. maybe as he will, critical is may sound with moscow about introduce in as, as the previous speaker just mentioned, perhaps a partial no fly zone. for example, in the instance or western parts of your brain, whether it's manageable from, from the logistical perspective. and where the re steel limited use of rosters, offensive air power and, and that may create

a degree of sort of the division of responsibility is all the ukraine. again as horrible as it may sound because we're in the middle of a human catastrophe there. and that is us, the can this over in the country been attacked by a much, much larger country on the, and the more formidable military military allan. but if we're not talking about really escalation, the confrontation and not spill in the conflict beyond ukrainian territory, it can be done by the, the, it has to, it has to be done in some sort of through some sort of consultation communication. and that may not be possible right this moment because i, as far as i understand, open formal communications between russia in late there's been suspended, if not terminated. good alina, i saw you shaking your head. i know you want to jump in. i'm going to you, i also want to ask you about a point that both robert and alexi raised and there have been growing calls for perhaps the establishment of this idea of a limited no fly zone,

perhaps in the west of the country. is that something that would be acceptable to ukrainians? well 1st i would like to ask alexi to stop put in the narrative. this is not confront, this is not crisis. this is worth with 1000 ophelia healed. you should realize that, and you said not, you, you should not use wouldn't narrative because williams narrative deals. if you 3 old people in your grade and you have no obligation and you should launch like good, meet the crimes in the media. second thing, no one shall low, no fly song is not working. like what are you talking about? this is, this is like what? let us sit safe people in one region and put him and russian occupation army, can you people in all other reduce? is that what you said?

yes. can you imagine like, do you even imagine what you are talking about? again, let me remind you that 20000 civilians, meaning woman children, elder people are the civilians were killed. only one see to you in muddy old boy. people are stuck there with no food, no water, no medication, people. i, i dine because they got to get a treatment beeble with diseases would, would, i don't know if gan, sirs wouldn't die a bed. they got to get treatment and they had no children imagined that children on european continent a dying because of dehydration. i imagine that you met didn't go through, so i just needs and then with the experts and you know,

i bullied decent duck in that. no one is on is not like something that we should discuss. now. let's think about it later on when and not the nose on the you bring us will be guilt. when enough them me, leon of ukrainians will become refugee. is that what you're talking about really alana than what we should. helena may i ask you if nato continues to refuse to establish a no fly zone? what else would you frame like to see in the form of assistance if, if they continue to refuse that nato is the biggest disappointment of this year? not good is a total disappointment. it's an organization which cannot protect anyone which cannot protect even its own. ah, countries and we should realize that we should not look at nato. we should actually

communicate and request for help for certain countries which you realize that boot, you and russia is a thread boot. you and russia is a threat for the whole world, for global security in the majority of european countries in they are, you know, a strategic documents. it's already said, it is already set for years that russia is a threat for global security. it is a threat for european security and now a days we see it all. we see that they feel people in ukraine. we see that russians like we have dozens of weaknesses like that, that russian soldiers are going into residential buildings, dragging people from their apartments. and so, and some of them dad on their yard. this is what we are going through. can you imagine that in do imagine this experience? can you imagine how many more years after would be next?

this were after when this were, because many more yes, we will wish like read out people so they can recover from the stress imagined bed. and we're still discuss when and who should like impose no fly zone. i think it's time for selina country is helena and alliance helene, i think this responsive to lean. i'm. this is not the same. i'm sorry to interrupt you. helena. we, we are starting to run our time. i'm, i need to ask alexia, question here, alexi, you talked about the feasibility, perhaps of a, of a limited fly zone. i want to ask you about how difficult it would be to achieve an expansive no fly zone. oh, throughout the whole of ukraine. well, as i am coming back to the point that they raised earlier, 1st of all, it would be difficult logistical. it's just the sheer operational range. need

a problem with require a different, a different sort of position. and you blind, for example, see born s as in the, in the black sea, it would be impossible given that durations and that the racial activity of the russian black ship lead on the fact that the russians actually control the entire lexi maritime theater. are trying to neutralize russian defensive voice in russia will automatically be treated by moscow as the declaration of war on russia and in the, in the current circumstances. given the fact that made the 3 has 3 nuclear arms states that may premier, it escalation of the conventional to nuclear phase. again, no one knows whether we didn't, will press the bottom or not press the bottom, but certainly the decision makers in brussels decision making in pentagon would not be at risk of entertain the option. what if you will not press the button because

everyone who is serious and not the business of strategic and defense planning. and so at the rate, from what worse case scenario upwards rather than from optimistic scenario, don don wards. so given, given the current state of complete mistrust, given the current state or country is not listening to one another in some of the russia and the west b in on worse terms. i mean, the current situation is much worse than the darkest years old work on from the shop i think need to is simply risk, avoid him. and by doing that, i, so then i completely agree with alina. it's is do an industrial damage to its reputation. it's, it's, it's actually on the mind it's going to build a g, as the world believes to be the most powerful defensive alliance. when it, when it doesn't have the political will to challenge russia, or will you brain the is all sideline in with your brain. the years,

so providing military assistance to your brain, off the years of given promises to eventual membership in defensive structure and with you provide in similar sort of promises with the eventual membership in the you. and now it seems to be all in the art simply because the russians decide it's on the a connection genetic action, which is obviously on warranted aggression against the sovereign. a sovereign nation is really, i mean, it really does all on their minds. european confidence in their strategic affairs, it on their minds. i think european confidence in the united states as the private security guards on one hand. on the other hand, it certainly provides generals in law school with additional confidence in exercise and morally little was because they can see that they like simply to scare. i'm john, i'm sorry to interrupt you. alexi again, we are starting to run out of time. i need to ask robert a question, robert,

i saw you reacting, it looks like you want to jump in. i'm going to let you do that. but i also want to ask you about the fact that the parliament of estonia has become the 1st to demand a no fly zone of a nato member state. do you think there's going to be more pressure from nato member states to try to impose a no fly zone? yes, i mean, you know, by the way, i was in my hand because i know pod company said because skew would actually he's last remarks were basically repeating, repeating, scrambling, narrative, last way. sorry. you know, we are much more important thing is that 1st of all, again i tried to explain what the problem is, what you know, but my, you know, my sympathy is with i didn't know because i believe that, you know, we cannot just watch the night. you know, you know, 20000 people being killed in my room. it's not just you know, to, to, to,

to demands, to do more. and i think the public opinion, countries will grow much harder with every hour. the 2nd point i would make, and this is when i say you, i told you wrong, you're trying to portray, i mean, if you know there is no consensus for various reasons, but, you know, the russian armed forces in next ineffective. and frankly, the manager of towers because they are unable to come back to proper military opperation. they could not do it in seriana, could only be innocent. people in syria could not come back in trips and repeating this, he knew crate. so in a minute, the actual business she gave a political decision was made by nature and it would have to go by me again. sorry . and i'm not the one if i were my, you know, my sheer, my, my, my, my probation about ability made them to actually impose it is much more to me because of the complete chum, bonnie, you know, corrupt way, you know,

we were talking about not just what crimes for played pedagogy? which direction of so disengaged they are not able to fight open, it would be great. so in other words, if natal this 5, it was yes with the risk factor, you know, but i'm pretty sure that be able to overcome the russian and mandatory forces. that is the reality. but again, i come back to the point this message has to get through. it is getting through to a lot of people in different capital. but at the same time, you know, we need to have, you know, respect the fact that you know, the race. you know, nato countries, the mccracken countries and they all, you know, look at the situation from the point security of the people that they represent. one cannot neglect. so in other words, we are where we are to be rushing by by war. who knows, you know,

the public opinion, but actually, you know, change the views of the people who make this decision at the moment. you know, that the effort has your helping your grade with defensive, with military assistance. and that is happening as we speak. and that is the most important thing that we can do right now. the thing was, i'll actually, we only have a little over a minute left. looks like you might have wanted to respond to what robert was saying. i'm going to give you a chance right now look, i mean that all comes down to the point. ok if made the will agree on, on using, using military force being doing what is going to do. i mean, clearly it's not going to be as sonya who was the festival for it, so it's going to be established military hours. will also need to remember and just just give me a 2nd. please also need to remember that you need to give full credit. will you bring your military in, in the, in the context of the, of the, of the, of the, of the brains defensive or show you brain right now. or at least prior to the war,

deployed one of the most effective military forces, in some instances superior to some of the military is of a novel needs a member countries. i mean, if ross is so bad in it's in, it's in it's comma foreman's, well, why don't generals in brussels make a quick decision and destroy the for is that we're going to, you is performance so badly. so i think, you know, we need to, we need to understand the realities on, on the ground. and we'll so need to understand the complexity of the situation and where we discussed in war. it's important that the war is discussed by people who actually understand the business, a war fight and not, not people who are making them to promises and who are not going to end up fighting on. i'm not going to go to the front line to actually confront that force. so before you simply say, and make promises above just trying to force,

assess it and then make it make your decision. and clearly this is where nate has been stuck with it. with that assessment or we have run out of time, we're going to have to leave the conversation there today. thanks so much. all of our guest, alina jenko, robert for stell and alexi, robbie: if and thank you for watching it, see the program again. any time of visiting our website, al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha. inside story, you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a j inside story. for me, how much am joel the whole team here, bye for now. ah! from the front lines altos, air, his correspondence continued to report every angle of the war in ukraine. we've just heard shilling in the distance and machine gun far in the forests. there is

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