chance of passage for covered during the attacks shabbat had several gateways. some of these were inside homes. and what often looked like just that i was from a boat, where in fact entrances to the underground city. even if it were, there's found a way inside they had to survive surprise attacks in this curve and corridors or traps sat in pits. all this would be wise to stop into this from reaching these chambers where civilians will take refuge. the underground city of new shabba tells a story of resistance and a will to survive thousands of tourists every year. come here to understand and experience it necessary that i was a 0. no shabbat. ah . hello again. the headlines on algae 0 talks between russia and ukraine are set to resume on wednesday. russia foreign minister survey live. rob says they won't be

easy, but that there's hope for a compromise cranium. president voluntarism lensky says, russia's demands are becoming more realistic, and he's conceded that ukraine may not join nato. so virtually squad and our virtually it is difficult but important because any war ends in an agreement, meetings continue as i am told the positions in the negotiation, sam, more realistic. however, the still needs to be more time for decisions to be in ukraine. interesting guys than you are a he live with us citizens of russia. any of you who have access to truthful information should understand this war will enter your country in shame and poverty . people and ukraine's capital hoboken to some more rushing shelling. there's been a large explosion near residential areas of keep occur. few remained in place after 5 people died on tuesday, ukraine's interior minister says at least 20000 people have used the humanitarian court or to escape from where you pull ukraine, deputy prime ministers accusing russian forces of occupying a hospital there. and holding 400 people hostage,

at least 500 civilians have been killed in ukraine, 2nd largest city of our keys, that's according to the regions emergency services. moscow has repeatedly denied that its targeting civilians. nato defense ministers are in brussels for hawks on how to boost reinforcements in member states. over the long term, nato secretary general has urged all members to boost defense spending. $30000.00 nato troops have started a military exercises in norway. 1 rescuers in northern peru are searching for sounds. people burried by a landslide. heavy rain calls the hillside to collapse, destroying dozens of homes. at least 12 people are missing in park. oh, it's a remote town in the andes mountains. those are the headlines on al jazeera. we'll have more news at the top of the hour that's coming up right after the stream. thanks for watching. bye bye. calls response. nato's long plan to military all. take the 5,

the largest since the cold war has taken on new significance as the war rated in ukraine de without, as they are for the latest development as 35000 feet from 28 nato countries. demonstrate their abilities in a region already. edge 3, i'm josh rushing and premier okay. on today's show, russia's warren, ukraine has killed thousands of people and close to 3000000 people above the country. and as russian forces move further into the country, thraso destroying large parts of the cranes, cultural heritage, a tactic all too common to war, took a look right now, what we're most concerned about is the damage or the potential damage to monuments, sites, museums, and their collections we're also concerned about a possible looting of collections at museums and other sites and that they

and their elicit trafficking. so that's why some of the projects at the alley foundation that we're already supporting is to inventory museum collections so that we have a strong record now of what goes where in terms of need we. um, we know from our arc, our, our partners on the ground cultural heritage professionals on the ground that what's needed most are things like packing materials. boxes, fire proof, blankets. i'm anti humidity materials so that their collections can be safely stowed, packed and stored. the faith of this collection, so making us extremely nervous of gordon's this morning's international communities, trying to kill, i know they're baking materials or crating and thousands of santa brand by international museums. but i am afraid lindsey sit there asia to use lethal and

to late last week the you and cultural agency released a statement saying it is quote, gravely concerned about the destruction of ukrainian art and history. unesco said, quote, we must safeguard the cultural heritage in ukraine. as a testimony of the past, but also as a catalyst for peace and cohesion for the future, which the international community has a duty to protect and preserve. today will take a look at the efforts being made to protect ukrainian cultural heritage threatened by this russian attack. to do so, i'm joined from los angeles by irina balice cova. she's the cultural diplomacy program director at the ukrainian art center. and from the v. eugene bears this key is the founder of care of our weak and expert adviser to the ukranian ministry of culture. victoria produced as a ukrainian photographer and she's with valo bazaar, ukrainian artist. thank you all for being here today and hate. there's one more

guest at this table for discussion and it's you on youtube. if you're watching this right now, live on you tube, see that box there. we've got a lie producer waiting to get your comments to me so i can get them to our guest and you too can be in the stream. all right, with that, let's talk about art and war. you g. let. let's, let's start with your, your ear in the middle today. so going to go 1st, the russians as they approach they are destroying art museums and cultural heritage locations. and, you know, i thought about this and in terms of history. and i thought, you know, when rome went to jerusalem and destroy the temple, or napoleon, went to egypt and shot the nose off the sphinx or the taliban with the buddhist statues. embalming on are isis when they went across syria and iraq and destroyed bruins or the u. s. military when they went into baghdad. and they didn't protect those cultural locations and museums that got looted. this is common to war,

even son sue wrote about this in war. he actually advised against it because he said it would turn the population against an army. but is there something, is there something different about what pollutant is doing here? and i asked this because it seems like putin, central argument for this invasion is about this kind of identity that he seems to be trying to destroy. well, this is a very complicated subject, and it's what is the main controversy. lice was in this war that on one side, teresa claims that would in one so you know, 203 the heritage. oh, slow and go from culture and to find the source of the culture in the ukrainian territory, but she destroys she's army destroys landmarks, museums the hard to carry the edge. oh,

the source. and that's the main controller seeing that was like really battling and you know, perplexing. oh oh namely, and there is a clear signature is a, this is a handled side rather zone. the attempt to, oh, like recreate the as a source of so for he's i do ology or is he, he's his country. oh, you do some one from youtube just piped in here, erin assignment or simmons and says can destroying cultural heritage sites and items lead to adding further crimes to the long list that rushes potentially looking at him during war. and also want to bring a guilty hermes, maybe he said it couldn't believe ukrainian nationalism undermines as effort slash narrative would preserving ukraine's cultural symbols. ah, risk increased russian resistance. so i guess like in the heart of the question,

there it is. it is art at the center of this, this war in some way. i think you will find that maybe slightly surprising arena. see your nodding, let's get the arena to jump in on this one to hear. thank you guys, get to be with you everyone and contribute to this show and contribute to understanding of a broader context of this in cds were shy instigated upon ukraine is being a prolonged conflict, which didn't start on february 24 in the middle of the night. it's been an assault for hundreds of years during terrorist, russia and then during the brutal, tyrannical communist regime, with the cram wing as a head of the state who attempted to merge the nations together

of those 15 soviet republics who are absolutely different, authentic cultures with their historical path, what we've gone through as a nation is a brutal burden which ukrainians dropped after, proclaiming his independence. but everyone has to understand that russian always try to crouch upon our cultural identity and this military conflict. it's monstrosity and atrocity which you contemplate with horror right now at it or engine on the issues of cultural identity. so russia, wages war and multiple levels, armed aggression,

information war and cultural war and put is intent to break ukraine as a nation is on the call on a global clear. so ukraine survived the language side. ukrainian language was banned multiple times and i'm myself as the victim of the language side. i was born in the soviet russia when ukraine was the republic of the soviet union. and it was forbidden to peak our mother tom. they would put people at shane who expressed themselves in ukrainian. luckily my parents were wise enough to educate you both at home and speak to me ukrainian publicly regardless of the fact that it was not popular, it was mostly illegal and they

instilled an idea in my heart that i may not be ashamed of being. you're crazy. and we were the only family in the military town where i grew in clarity, who spoke ukrainian. and i remember when teachers in the primary cooler addressing my mom and dad, when they heard them talk to me in ukrainian telling why do you in career fully a child, linguistically. while my parents had a very great argument to counteract the cold, say the 2nd. yeah. i want to bring in below, and victoria here below if it part of this war is about art. then does that mean that artists are now kind of a part of the struggle or soldier? and as you're thinking about this, i want to bring in your specific experience experience. can we go to my screen guys?

i want to show the story. this is off of art. net and it shows you guys making these what i would call practical sculptures maybe. and by the way, these photos in this article which are lovely or by victoria but what they're making here, the sculptures well let you tell us what are the sculpture solo and and the, and then also. busy that vendor bank obstacles this that we're seeing is all those against the on the recourse. busy demand to block the recalls when we, when they reach their goal, when they try to come in. so mean literally our fighting back. no, no. i would always take a minute to get back to the idea of identity or maybe

come back to your question. if you ok please i believe. busy i agree with what you said, it's right, it is an identity work and it's for. busy on your identity and your training and culture and the main purpose of the war is also to to say that the reason why you're going in college are there is no you create. the reason for him is one of the reasons that we came to your grades on the 20th because we actually meet in the door and we live in building since 6 in the health nurse. and we are working on kitchen and the berlin cohort. and the reason we came here was the exhibition opened in q and it was supposed to open under 20. busy 4th of the february

invasion, russia $73.00, but we were actually decided to come here to show. busy the show against fear we against this idea of culture being silenced by this aggression and now now we were going to leave and i was helping the artist doing those things you showed like ours looks like both of them to go let me think about it is that those are built by august the a book by my engineers, by of oh, cooks and oh, professions and go yeah, it's so, so really, i mean between,

i wanna bring you into this tell me if that's not art like you, you can picture that in a museum, right. you also picture it stopping a tank on a ro? sure, but i could also to kinda like what makes it makes a tank trap art or what makes art a tank truck? well, what would be the difference? oh, it's look like pieces of sarah. maybe it can half akins his direction, but oh yeah, you can, you can easy me say it's odd because they're like really different legs building like was it hard to sure to leg earn that her different colors from there. so i know luc slate art. well, but i like the good gracious ation. art is something that it's not, but it's more use. yeah. test not you is, but they has used in that it does have juice and not just use now, beth usa eternally here. i want to bring in, this is a quote from

a museum director there in the country. listen to the us. it remind him, put in the earth. we have to pass all these collections, everything to other generations, from generation to generation. and that's something eternal as well as human life has to be eternal. thus one person should take care of another person and not kill it. at the same time, we are defending our land. we are defending our culture and protecting eternity. it is probably worth sacrificing your life. these are keshay was through you do was a cache bush. did you catch that, eugene? he said protecting eternity is worth risking your life. yes, actually that's really wanted to pill is served on. sometimes people diminishing the rule of the culture and in my opinion, the culture is a very precious, assert on one sides. us people usually justify it, but also it's

a very dangerous with them. and what we face here is, so in this, for a russia utilize a so it's oh, approach it's own imperialistic and both colonial approach um to appropriate the green young culture and do v lived into it's imperial texture. and basically what your grain is doing now is that's really the found, it's right for you'd say the entity arrive to call ah, it's a, it's a sub for its culture miss. so long traditions. you know that the crazy thing, the sad irony here is that ukrainians, or even protecting russian art, an artist from russian forces here, listen, listen to this. ah,

so can i go like 25000 items in our collection car key fine. art museums collection is one of the biggest in ukraine. one of the most valuable we have do ours. the original dutch graphics repent semerano ski pollen off. it is simply irony of faith that we should be saving russian artists paintings by russian artists from their own nation. this is simply barbara's rank we're a now aaron pipes and, and says, this is off you tube. what kind of consequences to russia face to the heritage heritage site being destroyed in ukraine of how should russia, hey, in one way or another, what it, what are you thank. busy well, i mean i was asking arena that, but eugene if you wanna go with out as well, but people want you to want to know like, should russia pay for this? and some weiss sure, sure russia is a war criminal, an absolute aggressor and the world's biggest terrorists,

and whatever they committed as a war crime and they should carry consequences because every crime couldn't committed always. it was left without any punishment. it just went like a water ducks, tail, but besides those sanctions, economical sanctions there also should be a consequence of depriving russia of being a part of unesco and a part of those frozen assets should be invested into a restoration of ukrainian art and culture. and they're threatening the client now they gotta pay for it. you're technically legally correct that this actually is a war crime. and as in it's mentioned in several sets of international laws to include those from the hague. you know, there was a harrowing story about a week ago that was in the la times and was not a museum that was set a fire. and it had all these paintings from calm down. i wanna definitely show

these paintings. to help me with promise jenko. maria, very much very much hanker was her paintings, and she died in 11997. so these, these can't be replicated and they are stunningly beautiful heritage. let me show this one on my screen here. if you would. and the real sad irony is the name of this particular painting is may that nuclear war be cursed. and it just breaks my heart to think it was a nuclear war. but conventional that might have set that ablaze in a museum. you know, there's a really, in that article now tom does about this guy, local guy kept again and bringing out paintings and it, it's no to risk one's life for that kind of preserving eternity. something to pass down generation to generation. are you, are you familiar with per permit jenko? can you give us a little bit about who she is? horace, in the art history of ukraine. maria very much general

is genuinely a miracle of ukrainian folk are diseases, self taught artist. she never went to any art school as a woman which epitomizes the strength of ukrainian woman. it's create a her creativity is so flamboyant. and you can see in every piece of art, she depicted her home was very modest. and she would often have visitors from all over the world because she was already so famous that she was so not bragging about it, as she was admired by pablo. picasso, who would linger the exhibitions of maria prima channel, marcia gall, would take those centers. mccorkle creatures. she depicted and believe

it and to his motive in his art, she made every brush of her cat's fur and her motives a very cause. nicole and the fantasy, very flamboyant, which incarnates the flamboyance of ukrainian culture. you can see in her art are cultural identification code. eugene jump in here and i, i see for you to call i see should go talk, talk to me about this this through. it says, it says, choose alleges, of course she, ah, i mean the money agreement because she, she's the soul and the way of the green young art. but that's the only only one bar does the full art a week. will it bring it to you as well, but, and we'd love you to look and this is part of the cold and the but the we also have

to consider that. oh yeah we, we just sold this in small, are inclusion. and that we have to keep and safeguard, rushing out from russian conquerors. but we also have to keep in mind that, oh, your brain had an extensive on story or for collecting art seems, likes st. 19th century and there were collections in your green and museums when it was steal. i a russell empire, which well them stolen and were brought to russian museums such as so russian was, he was on because we're going to cost a gallery. so mark, if you bring in collections, sophie graham collectors who were like a benefactor so far in the age of 19th and 20th century just were looted and kept, ah, in russian museums. and also in, for example, the, another bright example is that the russian pavilion own denise of. ready being

young in germany was built money of which were, ah, given by you green and collector o fired. and basically because nothing to do with the russian empire because there's a buyer that buy and didn't have a human capacity word as a way of thinking to invest in art. right. and then you know, it's not just our, it's also these incredible unesco heritage, cultural sites like the cathedral of st. sophia, but we don't know what, what pollutants gunning going to do here. we have a bit of video about this one following versus invasion of ukrainian cleaning. brazil harris age is currently at least, but also directly under attack varying intentionally. we already have proof of those accidental damages, but also very, very, very plans and these you to the facts. and i think it is very important to

understand this point that put in to deny the existence of ukraine as a state and folly denies the existence of the prophet ukrainian culture anchored your heritage. it's really impossible to know what prunes full impact on ukrainian cultural heritage will be. what we do now is since his annexation of crimea in 20141000000 objects of archaeological importance have already been sent back to moscow. now, these objects in some way relate to russian history or imperialism. during this full scale invasion, putin is likely to do the same thing and move objects that in some way relate to russian history culture or their imperial legacy. back to the quote unquote, motherland was a guys, the bad news here is we've only got about a minute left in the show. what i want to ask you g. it is this kind of a kind of genocide when you go after that history and the culture like this.

well this is bull's, this is elsa also cultural eunice i viewed it's not only against if you money to you will run so doing off with it also like really a do, destroyed the culture which is a ground over the nation growl until further humanity and let a complete disaster, i just called people in the world to recognize it. yeah. and the thing is, it's intentional and it's definitely not a new tactic. i mean, it makes me think of george orwell who said, you know, who controls the past controls the future. and who controls the present controls of past. and it seems like right now, prudence trying to control both ukraine's past so he can control it's future. that's it for today. i want to thank all my guess for joining us in this, this discussion. and we'll see you next time on the stream. ah,

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