from region these chambers where civilians will take refuge, the underground city of new shabba tells a story of resistance and a will to survive. houses of tourists every year come here to understand and experience. it said that i was a 0. no shabbat. ah, exactly. how far off the our knowledge of the are, these are the headlines ukraine's president has made an appeal for help to the u. s . congress during a virtual address introduced by nancy pelosi. there's automated zalinski, citing pearl harbor and the $911.00 attacks. they asked us politicians for more support in the 5 against what he called russian terrorist. so let skills that renewed his cool for no fly zone. and for the sanctions against moscow. friends, americans in your great history, you have pages that allow you to understand ukrainians. now we need you right now. remember,

pearl harbor that terrible morning of december 7th. 1941. when your skies turned black from planes attacking you, just remember it. remember september, the 11th that terrible day in 2001 when evil tried to turn your cities into battlefields, innocent people were attacked from the air, no unexpected, and you could not stop at our country is experiencing the same every day, every night for 3 weeks now, russian foreign minister, 30 lab bravo said there is hope for compromise though, as talks continue with ukraine. so then he says, rushes demands are becoming more realistic. you also can feed ukraine, may not join the nation military alliance. while the talk goes on, people in ukraine's capital phase, more russian shilling, which is from key fairly large explosion near residential areas. curfew remains in place after 5 people died on tuesday and a market in ukraine. second largest cities caught fire after russian bombardment and official nfl keep says multiple rockets hit the northeast and city emergency

services. a 500 people have died in our chief since the war began, and there has been heavy fighting just outside of the city as well. russia meanwhile, accusing ukraine of carrying out another missiles strike on the outskirts of done yet, sc city. it's. it's 5 people were injured by the blast on tuesday night. a day earlier strike killed 20 people in the separatist held area, but keep denies carrying out that attack. and one of the story that is of the 2 british iranians detained in iran who are now back on the way back to the u. k. nelson is a gary ratcliffe and inertia assure you have been freed off to spend the years and attention. zachary ratcliffe posted an image from her flight home. she has been held since 2016 convicted of plotting to overthrow the government in iran, as she is always denied those allegations. that's my lot for today. thanks. be company fully will take you through the next few hours of news here on al jazeera. from the front lines out, his name is correspondence continued to report every angle,

if the war in ukraine we've just heard shilling in the distance and machine gun. far in the forest, there is a humanitarian crisis erupting on multiple fronts. rad rockets landed just a few meters from our convoy giving up was this has been all over the need for a region anytime st. totally destroyed along the road, we came in on there was still clearly an active battlefield day without thereafter . the latest developments with i'm josh rushing in for me. okay. on today's show, russia's war on ukraine has killed thousands of people and close to 3000000 people about the country in his russian forces moved further into the country, thraso, destroying large parts and ukraine's cultural heritage. a tactic all too common to war. take a look. right now what we're most concerned about is the damage or the potential damage to monuments, site museums,

and their collections. we're also concerned about possible looting of collections at museums and other sites and, and that they, and they're listed to trafficking. so that's why some of the projects at the early foundation that were already supporting is to inventory museum collections so that we have a strong record now of what goes where in terms of need we, we know from our, or our partners on the ground cultural heritage professionals on the ground that what's needed most are things like packing materials, boxes, fire proof, blankets, and humidity materials so that their collections can be safely stowed, packed, and stored the faith of the collection to make an extremely nervous. because in this moment, international community is trying to help. i know that the baking material,

creaking and augustine the same to your brain by international to them. but i am afraid that in this iteration it is too late to and too late. last week the you and cultural agency released a statement saying that as quote, gravely concerned about the destruction of ukrainian art and history. unesco said, quote, we must safeguard the cultural heritage in ukraine as a testimony of the past, but also as a catalyst for peace and cohesion for the future, which the international community has a duty to protect and preserve. today will take a look at the efforts being made to protect ukrainian cultural heritage threatened by this russian attack. to do so, i'm joined from los angeles by irina by las cova. she's the cultural diplomacy program director at the ukrainian art center. and from the v. eugene bears this key is the founder of key of our week and expert advisor to the ukrainian ministry of culture. victoria produced as a ukrainian photographer and she's with valo,

bizarre, ukrainian artist. thank you all for being here today and hate. there's one more guest at this table for discussion and it's you on youtube. if you're watching this right now, live on you tube, see that box there. we've got a lie producer waiting to get your comments to me so i can get them to our guest and you too can be in the stream. all right, with that, let's talk about art and war. you g, witless. let's start with your, your ear in the middle today. so gonna go 1st, the russians as they approach they are destroying art museums and cultural heritage locations. and, you know, i thought about this and in terms of history. and i thought, you know, when rome went to jerusalem and destroy the temple, or napoleon, went to egypt and shot the nose off the sphinx or the taliban with the buddhist statues, embalming on or ices. when they went across syria and iraq and destroyed bruins or

the u. s. military when they went into baghdad, and they didn't protect those cultural locations and museums that got looted this is common to war. even son su, wrote about this in war. he actually advised against it because he said it would turn to population against an army. but is there something, is there something different about what pollutant is doing here? and i asked this because it seems like putin, central argument for this invasion is about this kind of identity that he seems to be trying to destroy wells. this is a very complicated subject. and this, what is the main controversy? lice was in this war that on one side there is claims that would in one so you know, to a free, the heritage oh, slow leak of russian culture and to find the source of the culture in the ukrainian

territory. but she destroys, she's army, destroys landmarks, museums the hard to carry the edge of all the source. and that's the main controller standard, like really big doubling and you know, perplexing. oh oh, namely, and there is a steer. a signature is a, this is a handled side rather zone. the attempt to long like recreate the as a source of so for he said they will a g or is he, he's his country. are you do someone from new to just piped in here? erin assignment or simmons and says can destroying cultural heritage sites and items lead to adding further crimes to the long list that rushes potentially looking at him during war. and also want to bring a guilty hermes. maybe he said it couldn't believe ukrainian nationalism undermines

as effort slash narrative with preserving ukraine's cultural symbols. ah, risk increased russian resistance. so i guess like in the heart of the question, there it is. it is art at the center this, this war in some way. i think you will find that may be slightly surprising arena. see, you're nodding, let's get the arena to jump in on this one to hear. thank you guys, get to be with you everyone and contribute to this show and contribute to understanding of a broader context of this in cdn. swore russia instigated upon ukraine, is being a prolonged conflict, which didn't start on non february 24th. in the middle of the night. it's been an assault for hundreds of years, touring terrorist to russia. and then during the brutal,

tyrannical communist regime with the kremlin, as a head of the state who attempted to merge the nations together of those 15. so he had to republics who are absolutely different, authentic cultures with their historical past. what we've gone through as a nation is a brutal burden which ukrainians dropped off to, proclaiming its independence. but everyone has to understand that russians always try to encroach upon our cultural identity. manda, this military conflict. it's monstrosity. an atrocity which you contemplate with horror, a now at its core,

hinges on the issues of cultural identity. so russia, wages war and multiple levels, armed aggression, information war and cultural war, and prudence intends to break ukraine as a nation is on a quote on a level we clear. so ukraine survived. language side. ukrainian language was banned multiple times and i'm myself as the victim of the language side. i was born in the russia when ukraine was the republic of the soviet union and it was forbidden to peak. our mother tom. they would put people at shade who expressed themselves in ukraine. luckily my parents were wise enough to educate you need both at home and speak to me ukrainian

publicly regardless of the fact that it was not popular, it was mostly illegal and they instilled an idea in my heart that i may not be ashamed of being. you're crazy and we were the only family in the military town where i grew in clarity, who spoke ukrainian. and i remember when teachers in the primary cooler addressing my mom and dad, when they heard them talk to me in ukrainian telling why do you encrypt fully a child linguistically. while my parents had a very great argument to counteract the wholesale v. yeah, i want to bring in below, in victoria here below if it part of this war is about art. then is that mean that

the artist are you know, kind of a part of the struggle or soldier? and as you're thinking about this, i want to bring in your specific experience experience. can we go to my screen guys? i want to show the story. this is off of art. net and it shows you guys making these what i would call practical sculptures maybe. and by the way, these photos in this article which are lovely or by victoria but what they're making here, the sculptures well let you tell us what are the sculpture solo and and the, and then also. busy that in the bank obstacles but this, that we're seeing now, both against the on the recourse like them and to block the week of the leaving the reach goal when they tried to comment . i mean literally our fighting back. no,

no. i would always take a minute to get back to the idea of identity or maybe come back to your question if you ok with this please. i believe does. busy i agree that what you said is right and i don't want it for. busy you to identify your training and culture and the main purpose of the war is also to to say that the reason you've been in college are there is no you create. the reason for him is one of the reasons that we came to your grades on the 20th february because we actually meet natoya. we live in berlin since 6 in the health nurse. and we are working on teaching

and the berlin cohort. and the reason we came here was the exhibition open in teams and it. ready was supposed to open on the 24th the february invasion, russia, 73. but we actually decided to come here to show. busy the show against fear we against this idea of culture being silenced by this aggression and now and now we were going to leave and i was helping the artist doing those things you showed like ours looks like, are they both entities to go let me go to think about it is that those are built by august the

a book by my engineers, by of, oh, cooks, i oh, professions and good. yeah. so, so really, i mean the tory, i wanna bring you into this. tell me if that's not art like you, you can picture that in a museum, right? you also picture it stopping a tank on a ro sure. but i could also to kinda like what makes it makes a tank trap art or what makes art a tank truck? well, what would be the difference? oh it's look like pieces of sarah. maybe if you can. house akins is direction. but oh yeah you can. you can easy me say it's odd because they're like really do current legs are building like was it hard to be sure to leg earn their hair different colors from there? so i know luke slate art well, but so like the good reach is ation. art is something that it's not,

but it's more use. yeah. test. now if you is, but they have used in that it does have juice and not just use now, beth usa eternally here. i want to bring in. this is a quote from a museum director there in the country. listen to the us in my input of the earth, we have to pass all these collections, everything to other generations, from generation to generation. and that's something eternal as well as human life has to be eternal. thus one person should take care of another person and not kill . at the same time we are defending our land. we are defending our culture and protecting eternity. it is probably worth sacrificing your life. these are keshay was where you desire was a cache was did you catch that, eugene? he said, pretend eternity is worth risking your life. yes, actually was really wanted to pill is served on sometimes people diminishing

the rule of the culture. and in my opinion, the culture is a very precious assault on one sides. us people usually justify it, but also it's a very dangerous with them. and what we face here is, so in this voice that russia utilizes so it's oh, roach, it's own imperialistic and postcolonial approach. i do appropriate the green young culture and do the live into its imperial texture. and basically what your grain is doing now is that really the found its rights for you'd say the entity in the right to coal. ah, it's long to 7 for its culture miss. so long traditions. you know that the crazy thing, the sad irony here is that ukrainians,

or even protecting russian art, an artist from russian forces here, listen, listen to this africa, or like 25000 items in our collection car key fine art museums collection is one of the biggest in ukraine, one of the most valuable we have do airs. original dutch graphics we pen. so muranski pollen off it is simply irony of faith that we should be saving russian artists paintings by russian artists from their own nation. this is simply barbara's ranking. we're a no, i'm aaron pipes and says, this is off you tube. what kind of consequences to russia face to the heritage heritage site being destroyed in ukraine? a cow? should russia pay in one way or another? what it, what are you thank well, i mean i was asking arena that, but eugene if you wanna go with out as well, but people want you to want to know like, should russia pay for this?

been some weiss sure? sure. russia is a war criminal, an absolute aggressor and the world's biggest terrorists, and whatever they committed as a war crime and they should carry consequences because every crime couldn't committed always. it was left without any punishment. it just went like a water ducks, tail. but besides those sanctions, economical sanctions, they're also should be a consequence of depriving russia of being a part of unesco and a part of those frozen acids should be invested into a restoration of ukrainian art and culture. and they're threatening to quit. now they've gotta pay for it. you're technically legally correct that this actually is a war crime. and as in it's mentioned in several sets of international law. so include those from the hague. you know, there was a harrowing story about

a week ago that was in the l a times and was not a museum that was set a fire. and it had all these paintings from calm down. i wanna definitely show these paintings. um, someone help me with promise jenko maria, very much, very much. hank i was her paintings and she died. what? 1997. so these, these can't be replicated and they are stunningly beautiful heritage. let me show this one on my screen here. if you would, and the real sad irony is the name of this particular painting is may that nuclear war be cursed. and it just breaks my heart to think it was a nuclear war. but conventional that might have set that ablaze in a museum. you know, there's a really in that article now tom says about this guy, local guy kept and i'm bringing out paintings and it's, it's, it's no to risk one's life for that kind of preserving eternity. something to pass down generation to generation. are you, are you familiar with per permit jenko?

can you give us a little bit about who she is? horace in the art history of ukraine. maria, very much ankle is genuinely a miracle of ukrainian folk are. she's a self taught artist, she never went to any art school, as a woman which epitomizes the strength of ukrainian woman. it's create a her creativity is so one boy, and you can see every piece of art she depicted her home was very modest and she would often have visitors from all over the world because she was already so famous that she was so i'm not bragging about it as she was admired by pablo, picasso, who would linger the exhibitions of maria prima chantelle,

marcia gall would take those phantasm of oracle creatures. she depicted and believe it and to his motive. in his art, she made every brush of her cat's fur and her motives a very cause. nicole and the fantasy, very flamboyant which incarnates the flamboyance of ukrainian culture. you can see in her art, our cultural identification code, eugene jump in here and i, i feel free to call. i should go talk, talk to me about this this through. it says it says she's a legend across she. i mean there's a money in because she, she is the soul. ready and the way of the green young art, but that's the only only one bar does the. ringback folk art, i will, we call it,

bring it to you as well, but, and we'd love you to look and this is part of the quote and the but v. we also have to consider that. oh yeah we, we just sold this in small, are inclusion and that we have to keep and safeguard, rushing out from russian conquerors. but we also have to keep in mind that, oh, your brain had an extensive on story or for collecting art seems likes st. 19th century and there were collections in your green and museums when it was steal. i a rustling fire which well then asked the owner and we have brought to russian museums such as so russian was he was on because we're going to close to gallery. so part of you, you bring in collection sophie graham collectors who were like a benefactor so far in the age of 19th and 20th century just were looted and kept,

ah, in russian museums. and also in, for example, the, another bright example is that the russian pavilion own denise of. ready being young in geraldine was built money of which were aware, ah, given by you green and collector o fired. and basically because nothing to do with the russian empire because arson . wire that i and didn't have a human capacity word as a way of thinking to invest in art. right. and then you know, it's not just our, it's also these incredible unesco heritage. cultural sites like the cathedral of st . sophia, that we don't know what, what pollutants gonna gonna do here. we have a bit of video about this one following versus invasion of ukrainian cleaning to jill harris. age is currently increased, but also directly under attack,

very intentionally. we already have proof of those accidental damages, but also very deliberate. and these you to the facts. and i think it is very important to understand this point that put in to deny the existence of ukraine as a state. and molly denies the existence of the prophet ukrainian culture and casual heritage. it's really impossible to know what prunes full impact on ukrainian cultural heritage will be. what we do now is since his annexation of crimea, in 20141000000 objects of archaeological importance, have already been sent back to moscow. now, these objects in some way relate to russian history or imperialism. during this full scale invasion, putin is likely to do the same thing and move objects that in some way relate to russian history culture or their imperial legacy. back to the quote unquote motherland was a goes to bad news. here is, we've only got about

a minute left in the show what i want to ask you g. it is this kind of a kind of genocide when you go after the history and the culture like this. well, this is bull's, this is elsa also cultural genocide. viewed, it's not only against if you money to you with a russian, so doing no with it also like really do destroy the culture which is a ground over the nation. grow little further humanity and let a complete disaster. i just called people in the world to recognize it. yeah. and the thing is, it's intentional and it's definitely not a new tactic. i mean, it makes me think of george orwell. who said, you know, who controls the past controls the future and who controls the present controls the past. and it seems like right now put and trying to control both ukraine's past so he can control it's future. that's it for today. i want to thank all my guess for joining us in this, this discussion and we'll see you next time on the stream. ah

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