growing demand, stacy, those who used to assist now need help themselves. sorry, not daddy, been sidney now for now. we are feeding 850 people, but allowed to 1500 people approached us for help and we can't do anything for not the poverty rate continues to rise to the opposite to the government. economic recovery plan. already 94 percent of children aged 6 months, the 2 years are not getting enough food said could they're al, should theda beirut. ah, hello again. the headlines on al jazeera, at least one person has been killed after part of and intercepted miss our head, an apartment block in ukraine's capital keys. moscow has kept up its bombardment of ukraine cities even as talks between the 2 sides progress. and one con is in key with more well, once again, i was just after dawn when those russian missiles were flying over,

keep ukrainian air defenses actually intercepted one of the missiles and fragments of it fell into a residential neighborhood killing one. i once again, these attacks had taken place early in the morning or against residential buildings, or at least flying over, in this case, a residential building, a place that you see football pictures, you see kids, playgrounds. you see no kind of military around. we've been seeing this for the last 4 days. they'll also denies that it's forces targeted, a theater and where you pull whether word children was written outside ukraine says hundreds of people were a sheltering there before it was destroyed in an air strike you as president. your biden has called on her futon, a war criminal kremlin says those comments are unacceptable and unforgivable that follow the ukraine's process. involuntary zalinski addressing the u. s. congress on wednesday, nato has reiterated. it won't be sending troops to ukraine. that's after poland

again called on the organization to deploy a peacekeeping mission. their defense minister as meeting in brussels on wednesday, said they plan to post more troops in eastern europe to build up a permanent space. in other news, the supreme court of honduras has approved the extradition of the former president, one orlando hernandez to the united states. hernandez was arrested last month on drug trafficking charges. he has 3 days to appeal the judge's decision. the 53 year old lead honduras for 8 years. japan has lifted it soon on me warning a day after a powerful earthquake struck the northern region of fukushima. the 7.4, magnitude cray killed, 4 people injured more than a 100. it left more than $2000000.00 homes without electricity, including the capital tokyo. those of the headlines on al jazeera up next, it's inside story. thanks for watching. i for now from the front lines out, his name is correspondence continued to report every angle, if the war in ukraine,

we've just heard shilling in the distance. and machine gunfire in the forests, there is a humanitarian crisis erupting on multiple fronts. red rocket landed just a few meters from our convoy them in the positions. i've been all over the need for a region. anytime st totally destroyed along the road, we came in on there was still clearly an active battlefield day with out there for the latest development. how is the media viewing rushes war in ukraine? competing narrative is fight for coverage, imprint on air and online. so are we getting an accurate picture of what's happening in the conflict? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim,

jim. it's often said that the 1st casualty of war is the truth. and the media is the battle ground for competing narratives on russia's invasion of ukraine. images of destruction and civilian suffering, dominate headlines worldwide. but both sides accuse each other of this information . take, for example, the russian air strike that destroyed a maternity hospital and mary up all last week. at least 3 people died in what western leaders called a war crime. but russia accused ukraine of staging the attack in a now deleted tweet. the russian embassy in london accused this woman of being a so called crisis actor who was paid to play a victim. the ukrainian and russian presidents project different images of themselves. the low to mid lensky gives daily updates on social media, dressed in green army t shirts that's helped to boost his popularity among ukrainians to nearly 90 per cent. in contrast, russia's vladimir putin is mostly seen in official videos sitting far away from

government advisors. an editor on russian state t. v was fined for interrupting a news broadcast with her anti war message. but russian media mostly repeat the kremlin message of what it calls a special military operation. journalists who call it a war or invasion face 15 years in prison. independent outlets have been shut down . facebook and instagram are blocked. 58 percent of russians support the invasion, according to a survey last week. ah. all right, let's bring in our guests in western ukraine, olga to cut a yoke, a ukrainian journalist, and a non resident fellow at the center for european policy analysis in london. nikolai petrov, a senior research fellow at the russia and eurasia program at the chatham house think tank and in berlin. marcus xena, a professor of journalism at the university of applied sciences. a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story,

olga. let me start with you today from your vantage point in western ukraine. do you believe that most of the world is now getting an accurate picture of what's happening in the conflict? well, you know, it's very difficult to generalize, right. we cannot speak about the whole world. there are specific differences in every region. well, as a journalist, i'm speaking to many media from different countries, just today i had interviews with, you know, media from south korea to india, australia, trial and united arab emirates. and i can also see the difference in the kinds of questions that i'm getting. and you know, the concerns that are different in different country than the essence that sometimes put differently as a journal, if they can say that, you know, my colleagues are doing an amazing job hearing you praying time trying to report and what has happened in from ukraine in extremely difficult circumstances for journalists have been killed so far in your brain, i happen to know 2 of them personally, you know,

break my heart that my colleagues have to go through such enormous risks because russians are targeting civilians are deliberately targeting journalists. would this cult disseminator and with the goal apparently to prevent the world from knowing what is happening here to intimidate media and journalist from, you know, reporting from the ground in ukraine. so i want to command the car, just colleagues would find everything continue reporting from ukraine from the help . well, such as k, a r q, mario, paul. and, you know, i just want to really strike how important this information is. and i'm buying report the news, especially in the euro, off full manufacturing, this information coming from the russian side. nikolai, i want to turn the viewers attention specifically to russia right now. and i want to ask you about russians watching or reading or listening to the news within russia. what are they hearing? how different is what they are hearing or seeing,

or reading from what most of the rest of the world is reading or seeing or hearing about the conflict in ukraine. i would say that russians i getting their ears sanstrom's and limited picture and the images of rain shown by scenes. busy own channels and so as it becomes no, almost full independent media and chemba and even. busy social lantus are close in some cases, but the problem i see is not so much connected with the fact that there is a layer of information. busy was this brand is, was name a boundary there all those personal connections which would somehow been saved from the my cs financing with them. there is a financing hello, but real. busy government gives us to bullied modeling want so the

limited military at variation by the vision. majority of rosters do he of in their minds is there on me, is liberating brothers gebrina's to sponsor government and say hello jacqueline. it's much more comfortable to keep this vision than to say, and that is your speech, your battlement, beating what crime sounds used to do something by yourself. lukia's, a lot of jesus when relatives are given calls from ukraine and they are not understood by their direct relatives mark as i, i want to talk for a moment about this study, in contrast between the image that's being projected by ukrainian president vladimir zalinski versus the image that's being projected by russian president vladimir putin. zalinski is often seen in the social media videos are unshaven, he's wearing green army

t shirts or sometimes he's among his advisors. other times he's out on the streets . then you see potent and is very different. these are these official videos were often he is alone or seated very far away, even from close advisors. has that helped zalinski and if so, how much? yeah. in fact it has helped him quite a quite a bit. if you look at how the narrative has been shaped and trained from the ukrainian side, i think they, they do it very well. i'm not saying they do it just always by purpose, but i think they know how to play social media. they know how to and they narrative and message. and i think what we're seeing here is basically a new kind of modern version of it, david against go. we're kind of story. you have this, this ukraine, the country of 40000000 fighting and overwhelming military power. russia and you have healed this guy will love me as

a landscape standing up against against it. and i think the images are really telling on the one hand you have put in sitting on a long table, but kind of being untouchable and is basically behind the walls of the kremlin. wiley on the other side. you have the lensky who is somebody who was just among, among his people and he's looking tired. he's looking worn. he's just dressed in the military shirts and he's not making things up. and so it, when it comes to authenticity, i think that's clearly on the side of the ukrainians. oh god, what do you craniums by enlarge? think of how president lensky has been presenting himself before and throughout this conflict. how much has he been able to transform public opinion through his style of war time leadership? well, we are seen from the falls that the popularity and the support of citizens to president

zalinski has grown sharply. is it recently appall? it was conducted that indicates that about 90 percent of ukrainian support the actions of their president before the war. and that percentage was around 25 percent. so he's showing himself, you know, as a true leader of his people, a very and a person who is close to his citizen school, you know, doesn't cape a distance? who's speaking to them directly recording video a statements a several times a day speaking in the language that people understand and dress and not just ukrainians, but in fact, address in russians in their own language, calling on russian mothers, you know, do it, take their songs away, from you, praying calling on russians to go to protest thinking russian journalists or propaganda media workers or former workers vote was standing up and saying the jews . so you know, zalinski is communicating very efficiently and his rally and the people around him

. but i would also say that, you know, it's not just the zalinski who is a lead in the country and who is kind of inspiring ukrainians. it's also the other way around. it's ukrainians who are with their incredible courage and determination, are inspiring zalinski to leave this country and you know, to speak for all these people. and we hear that also in his speech is in just today's speech and the u. s. congress. he is said again that i'm speaking here on behalf of the ukrainian people. and this is something that, you know, i think a lot of ukrainians kind of share in the appreciate that he's not detached from his people. his speaking will. oh, country and the kind of a whole country speaking in one voice. nikolai, there are surveys that have been done in russia that suggest that a majority of russians support the envision of ukraine. but can this polling actually be trusted? is it independent? ah, well there are no independent of these days 1st. and 2nd we should have in

mind that. busy you're in the way it's weighed for ah, well, of korean. so answers in many cases, different reasons. the problem is of that. nevertheless, i do fan that majority of fractions being somehow rain war feeds only focus on the fact that they had bonded deeply and thus played a fascist against masses. and this is all the story is presented by russian media. well, they will support they in residence and so in my view, we can discuss whether this one can 70 or seek sickness and live the roles of getting us bun, surgeon, in the speaking with his special may not be given in mind that the empties and then

in long minority protested against it was and who are still protested against the wind by the there is a lease ration. many of them didn't lead from the marcus. you know, president putin has, for quite a while now, several years. he's had this reputation as a wizard. of information warfare he has a reputation as someone who's successfully been able to weaponized social media and other types of information. is it surprising to you to see how this is playing out thus far? yes, you know, right. he has successfully actually and interfered in the elections. he has tried to turn public opinion, also in germany, also in the united states. but he's failing here. and i think one of the things that probably are not playing out very well for the russians is the use of

a certain language, certain narrative. let's take a look. for instance, the use of hash isn't and nazis. i mean, putting was saying, well, we have to go into ukraine to kind of di, not defy ukraine. i mean, the president of ukraine is of jewish origin. so how can you actually be a not fees? i mean, you see a distortion of all of the terms and the notions. we used to know and i think this narrative is not playing into his hands. now, at the same time from the west, the perspective probably we can see that this way, it doesn't really mean that russians are going along with that. i think he still has a lot of support, and i'm not really sure that the majority of russians are looking through this maneuver. olga, you spoke in your previous answer about the fact that from your perspective, it's not just zalinski president lensky who has been inspiring the people,

but it's also the people of ukraine who been inspiring president lensky. i want to ask you if you think that in the lead up to the invasion in the lead up to the war, if the reporting from foreign countries was mostly accurate, do you think that ukrainian voices were really being listened to? no, i don't think so. in fact, you know, this of course, the ride from one country to another, but in some, you know, major players and some major countries of the european union. i can speak or utility because they speak it's at it and they can monitor the information space there. but i know it is also the case in germany from some other countries. very often, you know, people who go in the media and speak about ukraine in russia. those experts, those analysts, those, you know, get all the exports. they have never set foot to crane, and they very often described the situation and spoke about your brain in

a through, you know, for the russian optics using some sort of russian imperialist narrative about ukraine. very often denied the agency to brain. yes, it was very rare and need to feel quite rare in some countries to hear your praying invoices in mainstream media. although, you know, there have been some improvements in the war. started in the been more attention to what you brand actually have to say. but i think, you know, a big problem is that in the last 8 years since russia, person by the didn't in 2014, very few in the west, listen to what your brains were saying. they're like you listen to brand new and warm and expecting, you know, with them is not stop. the rush is not funny with really strong sanctions. if there is no sunk reaction from the west, which will last stop and will on the escalate aggression. now the same people, while some of them at least you know who didn't listen to brand yes and all the central and eastern europeans and people from the baltic, say, i finally meet them that we were right. but even to late nikolai, you know, he's spoken a lot about the, the clamp down on, on independent media outlets in,

in russia. just this week there, there was an incident, there was an interruption of a news broadcast on russian television by an editor who shared an anti war message . and, and i want to ask you, if you think that this would have made any kind of an impact with, with viewers who have really been inured to the official russian line about the invasion a by people who only been watching russian television at. and that particular narrative would, would they have, have found this surprising, would it have helped to change perceptions in any way i cindy thence was standing re action from the side of friday and i've sent you a. busy name and so of course it's very important not only to demonstrate that a lot of gentlemen. busy some of them design in as of last week of journalists are not being seriously. they demonstrate that i can. busy

russian television channels and so somehow we can send the signal to those watch. but as i did already see, the problem i see is not that much connected with the fact that there is a layer of. busy alternative information, alternative channels, is possible to find the los everything. these days, the every psychology of the plans to keep in order not to feel themselves in an extremely uncomfortable position. it's changing and stranger not only gives you a sense, not just the fact that the one that's on seeing public, this is bad. so as you do the fact that russians feel in their usual lives, then the situation is changing was. busy and that's why they should change their

minds. they try to change their hygienist. this means that often is very much limited time. you should do something in the well saw, the situation deteriorating inside 3. and this means that, well, that's the of the 3 weeks children's form, the asian, if you wait for it, it's mark as for those who believe that president zalinski and therefore ukraine are that they're winning this information war. does that also create a perception that ukraine may be doing better on the actual battle field than they are? well, i mean the, if you, if you believe what military experts are saying, then i think you're doing very well on the ground when it comes to making,

making the advances hard for, for the russian military. but i think that's, that's a fact. and that's not really that much influenced by the media appearance. i have to admit, actually from, from, from the perspective as a jose professor. i mean, what is the little bit striking it was probably a matter of concern is the fact that journalism doesn't really play that much of a role. right now. we get footage, we get videos directly fed in actually into our, our social media. and with every cons which come right out from the president's palace in here for right from, from, from other places without any journalistic kind of assessment and orientation. i mean, this is not a new problem, but it's playing out here. try try the bid. so we are seeing things and we have to we have to make up ourselves what we're seeing. it's,

it's more context not because i'm sorry to interrupt you, but may i ask you, you bring up an interesting point. may i ask? is it actually harder now than it was a few years back to, to pass off false information or effect videos. i mean, has online birth verification of footage, you know, has that entire, the entirety of that been strengthened of late? absolutely, it has become so difficult and as much as we sympathize with one side or the other . i think for journalist they are required to take the footage into a checketts and to try to figure out whether this is true or not. by the way, please allow me just to say one word on you all got, i mean be having been the journalist and still am a journalist myself and having recorded from moscow. i can tell you that at least the german media is reporting very quickly actually about russia, which is always was, was, it was very rooted fact. so i,

i think when it comes to the german media is mary critical and not the pro, proper eugene olga from your perspective. how prominent a role have disinformation fighters online been been playing and all of this? well, you know, i think with this war, many people in the west who underestimated their prominence and the impact and you know, this cobo fresh propaganda information. i finally starting to realize that and the case in point is that pregnant woman from mario will marianna, who was filmed by the shaded fresh with over the course after the bombing of the hospital. and then we have seen the attempt by several russian embassies abroad and twitter to smell of her, who said that she was a crisis actor and that she was wearing makeup. and she wasn't actually pregnant in fact. and you know, twitter to down those balls and we've seen the new footage from are you going

several days after that that she actually gave birth to the baby. and i also was in touch with her relative to confirm that they sent me the photos. and i think, you know, for many that k was something an eye opener because many people didn't believe the russians could be a lie. and that's, you know, that march. and these are russian officials and the russian officials are ally and on the higher level. and those, the russian propaganda and is information machine is consist of so many a lay are, you know, starting from the troll and bought farms on the social media, which is tutor and facebook. and, you know, russian state media side, russia, russian, stake, media that are, are, you know, broadcasting for the audience. there's a broad such as are. and a lot of also conspiracy propaganda is information web site in many, many countries. sometimes the not, you know, brad, just news about russia, ukraine, they might be sharing until you've exceeded information or different conspiracy

theories. and i hope, you know, this war is kind of bring more awareness and the level of the, of the governments in the world and level of the media also was bon bonded. but did information sometimes find it hard to, you know, establish what is and what is wrong with what is to and what is knock olga? and so if i am a owner, i'm sorry to interrupt. if i could just ask you just have about a minute and a half left, but i also want to ask you the way that has been playing out this for, has it defied your expectations about how online warfare typically plays out where you know this is, was not something new for me because i've been researching his information from robin, then 2 years might actually career in journalism brought me to this because i encountered as a journalist so much as information and how it actually affected people's lives on the ground. and so i started to research it, and i think you know that this is also goal now for many journalists across the world and for many media to focus on that more to understand how this information

works. what's a real life empathy can have and how he can also use wars because 8 years of brit begun than russian devi contributed to this war as well. all right, well we have run out of time. we're gonna have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests, olga, to cut a yoke. nikolai petrov and marcus xena. and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle this at e. j inside stored from him. how much i'm room and a whole team here. bye for now. ah. miss unami mud, barry 16 and denise in villages submerging the homes and livelihoods that 60000 people years later. little inhabitants still fighting for justice from the fracking

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