experts say reviving the sector will spur growth in manufacturing and create jobs. but there are concerns about whether the government which currently own and operate the railways is capable of sustaining it. decrease al jazeera lagos, nigeria. ah, hello again. the headlines on al jazeera, the sour ukraine's president vladimir zalinski, has been given a standing ovation from germany's parliament in an address it had been decided, he urged chancellor, all our souls to do more to bring an end to russia's invasion is on us that she does not a little we are fighting for our lives and froth freedom. it is not the berlin wall . it is the wall between having freedom and not having freedom in europe with every bomb and every decision not made that could have helped us. this wall is getting bigger. we asked about what ukraine can do to join nato and getting security

guarantees. and the answer we received is that it isn't on the table for now. you question whether ukraine should join the, you know, yes for some, this is politics, but for us it is souls for the new why that while on a visit to berlin, the nato secretary general against oldenburg, warned against escalating the war. nato has a responsibility to prevent this conflict from escalating further. that would be even more dangerous and would cause more suffering. death on destruction. this is president putin swore he must stop the war. withdraw his forces and engage in the book in diplomacy in good faith. russia is denying destroying a theatre and the received city of mario, paul, that's where ukraine says, hundreds of people were sheltering casualty numbers, only a legit air strike aren't known. at least one person has been killed after part. if

an intercepted missile had an apartment block in ukraine capital heave, moscow has kept up its bombardments of ukraine cities even as talks between the 2 sides progress. in other news, 2 british iranians are back in the u. k. after spending years in detention in iran, now's the needs of re radcliffe and new sherry were convicted, applauding to overthrow iran government, but always denied the allegations. south korea has broken its corona virus record by reporting more than 600000 new infections and 24 hours. that's the highest there. since the pandemic began 2 years ago, the doctor's thing that the latest on the grown german surge is nearing its peak. those are the latest headlines on al jazeera of nexus inside story. thanks for watching. bye bye. for now. cold response, nato long planned to military. i'll take the 5,

the largest since the cold war has taken on you significant as the war rated in ukraine day with out there for the latest development as 35000 feet from 28 nato countries. demonstrate their abilities in a region already. eggs. in just under a year's time kettles al date stadium will host the opening match of the 2022 world cup. the official opening of the stadium came on day one of the arab cup, but many friends were already counting down to the big kickoff. next november, c, u r. o 1022. as this tournament unfolds over the coming days, it will play a key role. but organize is getting ready to host the middle east's biggest ever schools and event next year. and for the castle, national teams, they get used to playing in front of expecting home crowds. maybe hoping to convince both the fans and themselves. so they really all ready to take on the world. how is the media viewing rushes war in ukraine?

competing narrative is fight for coverage, imprint on air and online. so are we getting an accurate picture of what's happening in the conflict? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm a jim jerome. it's often said that the 1st casualty of war is the truth. and the media is the battle ground for competing narratives on russia's invasion of ukraine . images of destruction and civilian suffering, dominate headlines worldwide. but both sides accuse each other of disinformation. take, for example, the russian air strike that destroyed a maternity hospital in mary up hall last week. at least 3 people died in what western leaders called a war crime. but russia accused ukraine of staging the attack in

a now deleted tweet. the russian embassy in london accused this woman of being a so called crisis actor who was paid to play a victim. the ukrainian and russian presidents project different images of themselves, followed him as a lensky gives daily updates on social media. dressed in green army t shirts that's helped to boost his popularity among ukrainians to nearly 90 per cent. in contrast, rushes vladimir putin is mostly seen in official videos sitting far away from government advisors. an editor on russian state tv was fined for interrupting a news broadcast with her anti war message. but russian media mostly repeat the kremlin message of what it calls a special military operation. journalists who call it a war or invasion face 15 years in prison. independent outlets have been shut down . facebook and instagram are blocked. 58 percent of russians support the invasion, according to a survey last week. ah. all right,

let's bring in our guests in western ukraine, olga to cut a yoke, a ukrainian journalist, and a non resident fellow at the center for european policy analysis in london. nikolai petrov, a senior research fellow at the russia and eurasia program at the chatham house think tank and in berlin. marcus xena, a professor of journalism at the university of applied sciences. a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story, olga. let me start with you today from your vantage point in western ukraine. do you believe that most of the world is now getting an accurate picture of what's happening in the conflict? well, you know, it's very difficult to generalize, right. we cannot speak about the whole world. there are specific differences in every region. well, as a journalist, i'm speaking to many media from different countries, just today ahead interviews with, you know, media from south korea to australia,

trial and united arab emirates. and i can also see the difference in the kinds of questions that i'm getting. and you know, the concerns that are different in different countries than the essence that sometimes both differently as a journalist, they can say that, you know, my colleagues are doing an amazing job here in you planning time trying to report and what has happened in from ukraine in extremely difficult circumstances for journalists have been killed so far in your brain, i happen to know 2 of them personally, you know, break my heart that my colleagues have to go through such enormous risks because russians are targeting civilians are deliberately targeting journalists. would discuss disseminator and with the goal apparently, to revive the world from knowing what is happening here to intimidate media and journalist from, you know, reporting from the ground in ukraine. so i want to command the car, just colleagues would find everything, continue reporting from ukraine from the health. well, such as cave larkey, mario ball. and, you know,

i just want to really strike how important this information is, and i'm buying report the names, especially in the euro, off full manufacturing, this information coming from the russian side. nikolai, i want to turn the viewers attention specifically to russia right now. and i want to ask you about russians watching or reading or listening to the news within russia. what are they hearing? how different is what they are hearing or seeing, or reading from what most of the rest of the world is reading or seeing or hearing about the conflict in ukraine. i will say that russians gives you area sam. limited picture of the images of rain shown by seeds. busy own channels and so as you know, almost all independent media shut up even. busy

social lancer globes in some cases. but the problem i see is not so much connected with the fact that there is layer information in actions, wage form, sample, and say on the why she's connected their research but also. busy war was the minister activation by the majority of blue here in their minds is there on me, is there a brother's opinions to government and they are more just the late? it's much more this vision than your speech. government. what crime, sad to hear,

a lot of jesus when relatives call them, they are not understood by direct mark as i i want to talk for a moment about this study in contrast between the image that's being projected by ukrainian president of all of them are zalinski versus the image that's being projected by russian president vladimir putin. zalinski is often seen in the social media video is unshaven. he's wearing green army t shirts. sometimes he's among his advisors. other times he's out on the streets. then you see pollutant and it's very different. these are these official videos were often he is alone or seated very far away, even from close advisors. has that helped zalinski and if so, how much? yeah. in fact it has helped him a quite a bit. if you look at the how the narrative has been shaped and framed from the ukrainian side, i think they, they do it very well. i'm not saying they do it just always by purpose,

but i think they know how to play social media. they know how to they the narrative and message. and i think what we're seeing here is basically a new kind of modern version of it, david against go, we're kind of story. you have this, this ukraine, the country of 40000000 fighting and overwhelming military power. russia and you have healed this guy will love me as the landscape standing up against against puget. and i think the images are really telling on the one hand you have put in sitting on a long table, kind of being untouchable and is basically behind the walls of the kremlin. wiley on the other side. you have a lensky who is somebody who was just among, among his people and he's looking tired. he's looking worn. he's just dressed in the military shirts and he's not making things up. and so it,

when it comes to authenticity, i think that's clearly on the side of the ukrainians. oh god, what do you craniums by enlarge? think of how president lensky has been presenting himself before and throughout this conflict. how much has he been able to transform public opinion through his style of war time leadership? well, we are seen from the falls that the popularity and the support of citizens to president landscape has grown sharply. it recently appall, it was conducted that indicates that about 90 percent of ukrainian support the actions of their president before the war. and that percentage was around 25 percent. so he's showing himself, you know, as a true leader of his people, a very and a person who is close to his citizen school, you know, doesn't keep the distance who's speaking to them directly recording video

a statements several times a day speaking in the language that people understand address and not just ukrainians, but in fact, address in russians in their own language, calling on russian mothers, you know, do a take their songs away from you. praying calling on russians to go to protest thinking russian journalists or propaganda media workers, or former workers who was standing up and saying the jews. so, you know, zalinski is communicating very efficiently and his rally and the people around him . but i would also say that, you know, it's not just the zalinski who is a lead in the country and who is kind of inspiring ukrainians. it's also the other way around. it's ukrainians who are with their incredible courage and determination, are inspiring zalinski to leave this country and you know, to speak for all this people. and we hear that also in his speeches in just today's speech and the u. s. congress. he is said again that i'm speaking here on behalf of the praying and people. and this is something that, you know, i think

a lot of ukrainians kind of share in the appreciate that, that he's not detached from his people. his speaking will open fi and the con, the whole country speaking in one voice. nikolai, there are surveys that have been done in russia that suggest that a majority of russians support the envision of ukraine. but can this polling actually be trusted? is it independent of? well there are no independent of these days 1st. and 2nd we should keep in mind that. busy job in the way is weighed for ah, well of korean. so answers in many cases, different reasons. the problem is that, nevertheless, i do fan that majority of fractions being somehow rain war feeds on the focus on the fact that they had bonded deeply and thus laid

a fascist against masses. and this is all the story is presented by russian media. well, they will support they in residence. and so in my view, we can discuss whether this 170, or seeks to this and lived in olds off getting us been surgeon in the speaking with his special leaves monthly given mind that the empties and then in long minority protested against it was. and who are still protesting against the wind by the there is a lease ration. many of them didn't lead from the marcus. you know, president putin has, for quite a while now, several years. he's had this reputation as a wizard of information warfare. he has a reputation as someone who's successfully been able to weaponized social media and

other types of information. is it surprising to you to see how this is playing out thus far? yes, you know, right. he has successfully actually and interfered in the elections. he has tried to turn public opinion, also in germany, also in the united states, but he's failing here and i think one of the things that probably are not playing out very well for the russians is the use of a certain language, certain narrative. let's take a look, for instance, the use of passion and nazis. i mean, putting was saying, well, we have to go into ukraine to kind of di, not defy ukraine. i mean, the president of ukraine is of jewish origin. so how can you actually be a not fees? i mean, you see a distortion of all of the terms and the notions. we used to know,

and i think this narrative is not playing into his hands. now at the same time. from the west, the perspective probably we can see that this way, it doesn't really mean that russians are going along with that. i think he still has a lot of support and i'm not really sure that the majority of russians are looking through this maneuver. olga, you spoke in your previous answer about the fact that from your perspective, it's not just zalinski president the lensky who has been inspiring the people, but it's also the people of ukraine who been inspiring president lensky. i want to ask you if you think that in the lead up to the invasion in the lead up to the war, if the reporting from foreign countries was mostly accurate, do you think that ukrainian voices were really being listened to? no, i don't think so. in fact, you know, this of course, the ride from one country to another, but in some, you know,

major players and some major countries of the european union. i can speak or utility because they speak it's at it and they can monitor the information space there. but i know it is also the case in germany from some other country, very often, you know, people who go in the media and speak about ukraine in russia. those experts, those analysts, though you know, and your politics expert, they have never set foot to crane. and they very often described the situation and spoke about your brain in a through, you know, for the russian optics using some sort of russian imperialist narrative about ukraine. very often denying the agency to brand yes, it was very rare and need to feel quite rare in some countries to hear your praying invoices in mainstream media. although, you know, there have been some improvements in the war. started in the been more attention phase. what your brand actually have to say, but i think, you know, a big problem is that in the last 8 years since russia, person by the didn't in 2014, very few in the west,

listen to what you're brand new were saying. but if you listen to brand new and warm and expecting, you know with them, it's not stop. the rush is not funny with really funny sanctions. if there is no sunk reaction from the west, which will last stop and will on the escalate these aggression. now the same people, while some of them at least you know who didn't listen to brand yes and all the central and eastern europeans and people from the baltic, say, i finally meet them that we were right. but even to late nikolai, you know, he's spoken a lot about the, the clamp down on, on independent media outlets in, in russia. just this week there, there was an incident, there was an interruption of a news broadcast on russian television by an editor who shared an anti war message . and, and i want to ask you, if you think that this would have made any kind of an impact with, with viewers who have really been inured to the official russian line about the invasion a by people who only been watching russian television at. and that particular

narrative would, would they have, have found this surprising, would it have helped to change perceptions in any way? i cindy thence was standing re action from the side of friday and i've sent you it's a name. and so of course, it's very important. not only to demonstrate that a lot of jungle is. busy and some of them designing was of last week of journalists are not being seriously. they demonstrate that. busy russia television channels and so somehow we can send the signal to those while watching as i did already see, the problem i see is not that much connected with the fact that there is a layer of jonah. if information alternative channels is possible to find the los everything these days, the every psychological,

the plans to keep in order not to feel themselves in an extremely uncomfortable position. it's changing and stranger, not only did you create a sense, not just the fact that the one that they have all been seeing public, this is bad. so as you do the fact that russians feel in their usual lives, then the situation is changing was. busy and that's why they should change their minds. they true change their hygienist. this means that often is very much limited time. you should do something in the well saw, the situation deteriorating inside 3. and this means that, well, that's the of the 3 weeks children's form. the asian, if you wait for it. marcus, for those who believe that president zalinski and therefore ukraine are

that they're winning this information war. does that also create a perception that ukraine may be doing better on the actual battle field than they are? well, i mean the, if you, if you believe what military expert the thing then i think you're doing very well on the ground when it comes to making, making the advances hard for, for the russian military. i think that's, that's a fact. and that's not really that much influenced by the media appearance. i have to admit, actually from, from the perspective as a jose professor. i mean, what is the little bit striking it was probably a matter of concern is the fact that jonathan doesn't really play that much of

a role. right now we get footage, we get videos directly fed in actually into our, our social media and twitter. we cons which come right out from the president's palace in here for right from, from, from other places without any journalistic kind of assessment and orientation. i mean, this is not a new problem, but it's playing out here, dr. try the bid. so we are seeing things and we have to we have to make up ourselves what we're seeing. it's, it's more context not because i'm sorry to interrupt you, but may i ask you, you bring up an interesting point. may i ask, is it actually harder now than it was a few years back to, to pass off false information or effect videos. i mean, has online birth verification of footage, you know, has that entire, the entirety of that been strengthened of late? absolutely. it has become so difficult and as much as we sympathize with one side or the other. i think for journalist they are required to take the footage into

a checketts and to try to figure out whether this is true or not. but by the way, please allow me just to say one word on a to you all got, i mean, be having been the journalist and still am a journalist myself and having recorded from moscow, i can tell you that at least the german media reporting very quickly actually about russia, which is always with was it was the very rooted fact. so i, i think when it comes to richer german media is very critical and not the pro, proper eugene olga. from your perspective, how prominent a role have disinformation fighters online been been playing and all of this? well, you know, i think with this war, many people in the west who underestimated their prominence in the past. and you know, this cobo fresh propaganda ended information. i finally starting to realize that

and the case in point is that pregnant woman from mario will marianna, who was filmed by associated with over the course after the bombing of the hospital . and then we have seen the attempt by several russian embassies abroad and twitter to smell of her, who said that she was a crisis actor, that she was wearing makeup. and she wasn't actually pregnant in fact. and you know, twitter to down those balls. and we've seen the new footage from are you going several days after that that she actually gave birth to the baby. and i also was in touch with her relatives who confirmed that they sent me the photos. and i think, you know, for many that k was something an eye opener because many people didn't believe the russians could be a lie. and that you know, that march. and this are russian officials and the russian officials are lying on the higher level. and those, the russian propaganda and information machine consists of so many a lay are,

you know, starting from the troll and bought farms on the social media, which is twitter and facebook. and, you know, russian state media side, russia, russian, stake, media that are, are, you know, broadcasting for the audience. there's a role such as are and a lot of also conspiracy propaganda is information website in many, many countries because sometimes the not, you know, brad, just news about russia, ukraine, they might be sharing, have exceeded information or different conspiracy theories. and i hope, you know, this war is kind of bring more awareness and the level of the, of the governments in the world and level of the media also was invited. but did information sometimes find it hard to, you know, establish what is and what is wrong with what is to and what is knock olga? and so if i am a owner, i'm sorry to interrupt. if i could just ask you just have about a minute and a half left, but i also want to ask you the way that has been playing out this for, has it defied your expectations about how online warfare typically plays out

where you know this is, was not something new for me because i've been researching his information from robin, then 2 years might actually career in journalism. brought me to this because i encountered as a journalist so much does information and how it actually affected people's lives on the ground. and so i started to research it, and i think you know that this is also a goal now for many journalists across the world and for many media to focus on that more to understand how this information works. what's a real life empathy can have and how it can also you wars because 8 years of brandon russian devi contributed to this war as well. all right, well we have run out of time. we're gonna have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests, olga, to cut a yoke. nikolai petrov and marcus xena and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also during the conversation on twitter,

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