and all flaw india light in this particular case. the sun, unlike statements from the u. s. and u. k. focusing on india stand on russia, the japanese prime minister said the 2 countries will keep trying to end the war and keep providing support to ukraine. and its neighboring countries. elizabeth brought him al jazeera new delhi. ah, this is our desert. these your top stories. russian tanks have been seen firing on a narrow street in ukraine, southern port city of monterey pole. despite the heavy bombardment, another convoy civilians have managed to leave the besieged city. ukraine says humanitarian corridor was have been agreed with russia. russia says has been destroying ukrainian military targets with holly precision weapons as a seas hypersonic missiles and west new crane for the 1st time. this conflict to destroy a weapon storage facility that's not been independently verified. russian cosmonaut,

it's a causing a sterren space. there's been speculation, the blue and yellow colors of their uniforms indicates support for ukraine. moscow denies. there's a hidden meaning layer. could somebody please circle florida, looking at your yellow suits. this means some confusion. a question. why are you wearing yellow suits when all other i assist? crew members are wearing grey with convenience, almost. every cree picks their seats, the overalls of their own accord. so though they don't all look the same, this time was outside, speak, the color marshal. from here, from morgan with you know, the truth is we came out a lot of yellow material, so we needed to use it up. that's why we were yellow flights. it was more fit in part of the important kura, great, now congratulations, that's wonderful. cultural the north eastern city of kalki is one of

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hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully by t boat. it's been nearly a month since russia invaded ukraine, and there's been no sign of any d escalation. russian forces have targeted several regions in the last few days, including the besieged city of mary paul in the south. while the fighting wages on world leaders are attempting to find a diplomatic solution. us present joe biden, and chinese leaders. she jane being spoke on the phone on friday for the 1st time since the war began. washington is concerned about b gene stance on the conflict. chinese officials have refused to condemn the invasion. biden has warned of consequences for china if it provides material support to moscow, but the white house hasn't given details on what those consequences might include. we have a range of tools that could be considered and sanctions are certainly one tool in the toolbox as they are for other countries as well, even if we as we have not outline specific consequences and we'll, we'll communicate those directly to china. and of course,

with our european partners and counterparts. meanwhile, china's ambassador to ukraine has sprays the strength of the ukrainian people in a message that was a slight departure from the official line in beijing, ukraine. st. media coated fun shing wrong saying china is a friendly country for the ukrainian people. as an ambassador, i can responsibly say that our country will forever be a good force for ukraine both economically and politically. he says will always respect your state and develop relations on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. his al jazeera is katrina you in beijing now with more on the call between the u. s. and chinese leaders, according to chinese read out as, as that. and the president, she jin king told joe biden, that both countries had the responsibility to de escalate tensions that fighting was in nobody's interest. and also he repeated china's stance that sanctions would

not be effective in ending of the war, and would only serve to damage the global economy that was already struggling to recover from the pandemic. now, in order for the us part that joe biden emphasized that they would be material a costs or they would be consequences for materially supposing russia in its efforts to invade ukraine, older, the u. s. did not state what these consequences would. b, u. s. officials have asserted that russian officials have all china and military support military aid in the form of equipment. and in terms of helping to engage in this was something that both moscow and beijing have denied a prison blind and also went on to share his own view. of the war and put forward the u. s. and its allies efforts to stop rushes invasion and presumably try to get china on board with that. however, we have seen no indication whatsoever that he was successful in this. and in fact,

by the end of this call, long as it did last, we've seen no sign whatsoever that china's position has changed. ah, well, let's bring in our guests for today's inside story in a bay. jing andy mark a senior research fellow at the center for china and globalization, and a professor at a b gene for in studies university in washington, lauren scored a former assistant secretary of defense and a senior fellow at the center for american progress. and in len london, zeno leoni, a lecturer in war studies at kings college london, and an affiliate of university loud china institute. a warm welcome to you all gentlemen, thank you for being on inside story. andy, more can be jane. let me sot with you, please. as katrina said there in her report, the call between present biden and president, she doesn't seem to have changed anything in either leaders or either countries position. but you believe that this was

a significant and important call. why is that? i do believe this was an important call. i think 1st of all, the framing and the western media really is misleading and really are being nothing more than due to the non refers for the u. s. government. if you read the same law, read out of the call, it makes 3 points. the 1st that both presidents thought the cause constructive. the 2nd way, which is the most important one, is that both presidents will instruct their people to take concrete actions to ensure that the china us relationship is back on the right track. and finally, the issue that is urgent and consuming the attention of the world is that both sides also agree that proper measures need to be taken to resolve the ukrainian

crisis. and i think it's the 2nd point that's really important. and the key here is, can the u. s. muster the political courage that is necessary to honor the decisions taken during this call? so this is why i think this was actually a very, very important call. and you talk about the framing in western media of this conflict. i wonder how does chinese public opinion view this conflict in ukraine? what, you know, on social media in the past few days, they seem to have been a shift in chinese social media. how are they seeing this conflict? isn't it bad? p, r, for china to be sustaining these ties with russia right now. when civilians are being bombed? well, i think we have to separate public opinion in china from the official position and public opinion of course matters. but what matters more, i think, is the government's position on this. and this has been consistent all along the trainer has long said that it is on the side of peaceful development. and

that, i think a couple things i would maybe question that it's a month in and russia still is not backed out. if we really understand the causes of this conflict, they're complex, but clearly they are heated disagreements and of course, violent disagreements on both sides of this question. but frankly, china has said that it is an impartial, neutral, and objective participant in this and not taking one side or the other, which i think is the only effect is have to a peaceful solution. larry lawrence called, i'll ask you about this in just a 2nd. whether china is a neutral participant, but i want to get your thoughts 1st on this call between president she and president biden, this long phone conversation they had. is it a watershed moment? do you think as andy does that this was an important call?

oh, i think it was very important because really the ultimate future of what happens in ukraine is dependent on both china and the united states. and so i think it was important for president biden to connect with the president she and explain to him what the united states would do if in fact, china provides more age to russia. because right now, least according to us reports, russia is running out of even, i mean, they shouldn't even food for the troops. and so of china doesn't provide that, that maybe russia will be willing to negotiate with the ukrainians who have already announced their might pull back from their desire to join nato. so on the question . 6 china's neutrality that andy was talking about is china. do you agree with him that china is it could be a neutral mediator in this conflict. i the very definitely the china code because

china has very strong trade relations with europe, which is part of this conflict. they're the only country in the world that really still has influence on russia, i think was very interesting that before a potent invade it, he went to bay shane to talk to she and didn't do until a lympics were all books. so it wouldn't distract from china's attention on the, on the olympics. yes, they do have, in the united states, at european allies and even some countries in asia have all come out against russia . what if china continues to try and help them? it will be russia will have less incentive to end this conflict on a negotiated solution. ok, then let me bring you into a conversation and you know the slight and sub tall change in rhetoric we've seen in chinese media recently in the last few days,

at least when it comes to the war in ukraine. they're focused on the humanitarian and the refugee crisis, the tweets also from the chinese ambassador to the, to ukraine, quite significant. china, providing humanitarian age to ukraine as well. how should we view this? do you think china's position is evolving and has evolved since the conflict again? and i think seems the call to begin trying to position substantially as we change. there was always great concern and great end of this drama experienced by ukrainian people and focus on trying to find a big for resolution. however, at least on a public level, china will be used to be undecidable. russia and then of course china is emma, which is should surely go,

should be prioritize clunky or because if he was not working, but he was all honestly tried to make it conversational with the, with, with your mom. but actually china, we know there's right. we've seen these prizes. china normally tends to long term police and china really needs at this stage of growth, strategic trajectory a, a partner partner. and stephanie rush is one of those. so i think china, china will be shown as i'm actually change the long defense for your crime, but that's not ready to lead. fresh going ok, let's take a closer look now at china's economic ties with some of the key players in this crisis. and what the stake us trade with china has grown enormously in recent

decades and is crucial for both nations, the united states and for small from china, then from any other nation. in 2021, nearly half of china's $3.00 trillion dollars in exports went to the us and its allies. that number is far higher than its trade with moscow, which had a record on your high of more than $146000000000.00 last here. and trade between china and the e. u was worth more than $800000000000.00 for the same period. and the market in beijing, zeno say, is a difficult balancing act for china. what are the options then for chinese leaders, if this conflicts, drugs on? well, i think unfortunately, i think all indications, despite every was hope that it could be resolved soon. will likely drag on i'm not sure that it really has much of an impact on china's stance or it's policy decisions. i agree with, you know,

that i think that really china's stance, despite some positive rhetoric from the statements from the ukrainian vassar, as you said, really has not changed. the economics of this does not play that big of a role. the important thing here, i think that china has been very, very clear, is that whether in europe or whether in asia, what it will not tolerate is any country undermining the security interest, other countries and regions. and this is the message of i think has been delivered very clearly and resolutely to the us. most recently in. ready this call between the 2 presidents, c and biden lauren's corps. do you agree with this? andy says, economic service. don't play a big role. i think an issue that's more important to china. here is the whole question of taiwan. because they see russia claiming ukraine back to part of russia

the same way that they see taiwan as part of china. and that sort of goes in combination with the economic interest. they have both concerns and i think that's really place in this. in fact, what we hear from the call is when buys and started talking about. 2 ukraine trying to start talking about taiwan. so that is very important to them, not just the economic consideration, but i think what biden made clear to them is these economic consequences. he just pointed out here with the amount their trade with the u. s. and the european union could really have pretty severe consequences for china. what consequences precisely would the, the biden administration be considering here with us could go as far as isolating china economically in the same way that russia find itself isolated and sanctioned stay?

i think they would move in that direction the real quick and by the i don't think bite knows exactly now because these obviously would have a severe impact on the united states as well as our european nation. so that really is the key question. so it's really up to china now, as we say in the us, the ball is in their court. they want to help russia by providing ammunition right now, or they going to maintain their neutrality and, and try and start negotiation was, remember, negotiations already ongoing. i think china could play a positive role and tell washer, you know, you can come out ahead with this you. they'll recognize your addict ation of crimea . there'll be more independence in the don bass region, and ukraine won't join nato. and you can declare that a victory, they know your thoughts about this. how likely is it that china could push russia to end the war and withdraw from ukraine? being one will learn from the meeting between by them and she adults in the last

few months on this crime, there actually seems to me when you get mommy back you where nobody is able to restart russia. and then also we need to understand that the international see them also in space. it doesn't work, you know, way that's found that the machine only because china power can just pick up the phone and, and so we will, he's building, especially when you raise such high stakes for, for russia. so one in china is probably the most likely player to be able to achieve the mean because the you made from the us, you can not at the moment. on the other hand, that doesn't mean that china is only seen. many people, especially men in the us,

hopes that china, who have on, on russia. so it is also why china remains on defense. because breast wants to be seen as being directly we've been trying to stop and then maybe fading because then we'll have a negative impact on implementing time or not like a great that perhaps there's only implant over small hours, but not major practice like this one. and in beijing, your thoughts about this? well, i'd like lawrence's phrase that the ball was in someone's court, but i would say that the ball was in the u. s. this court for 2 reasons. first, that russia is nowhere near as isolated as the united states or western media would like to make it out to be. first of all, let's look at india who is very clearly said that they're looking to set up a grouping ruble extreme with russia to you trading with russia. look at the opec

countries for whom russia has been a very crucial voice on the un security council. pocket stein arrive. so i think the efforts to isolate russia really are not going as well as the u. s. is portraying, and this will be doubly if not tripoli, true for efforts to isolate china. because while what russia can do is threaten nato and the us with nuclear attacks, china is not only a nuclear power, it's an economic superpower. so it will be even more damaging to countries like the us that we try to oppose any kind of economic sanctions, right? let me ask us about the viewpoint and be that that a lot of commentators making right now and that is president. she was banking on, on, put in and his own country in china to form a unified strong block against the,

against the west. another block against the west. i mean a week, a russia, whether they come out victorious from this war or not. i mean, would that not fit, not fit well with, with the, with the chinese, i mean russia, regardless of whether they win in ukraine will come out somewhat weaker from this conflict is not a concern for china. well, i think very briefly, china's real view is that it wants to see more justin humane order without any country engaged. are these kind of power politics quote more. thank you, but i think the more courtney went to really the case. what about of taiwan? i mean, that was top of the conversation between 1st and biden and president, she, taiwan, the implications for sure will get taiwan is the cornerstone of us china relations. because china seas this as an internal matter and others around the world perhaps don't. but i think what it really emphasize here,

that there's too much attention here in the military conflict, can ukraine, but in fact, we need to focus on, i think, where the real data lives, which is economic. and what about energy prices, food prices, double and triple. what is that going to do to europe? we are ready for the early, devastating impact from 3000000 refugees come next winter. if this conflict is still going on in energy prices, double and triple food prices are increasing. i think this will severely tested, not shattered european unity and in particular germany, i think many analysts in the financial world that focus on the energy sector said that germany really should be much closer to russia than the us. but it's have blue at this point. ok to question atlanta system. let's bring it. i think we have to see a new yeah. we have to seen did. let's bring in larry in washington dc. very your thoughts about this? how will this war define, 1st of all,

future relations between the us and china, but also between china and your lawrence called well, i think it's going to have a great impact. i think our colleague from beijing is right that the is going to be severe economic consequences for everybody involved. they're also going to be economic consequences for china, not just united states. and it's very interesting that andy mentioned germany because up till now germany had been leading toward russia. but after this started, i'm really not only cancel the north stream pipeline, but basically gave offensive equipment to ukraine. now the word germany has ended, its post cold war, a post world war 2 policy. oh, really remain neutral. that is becoming more aggressive. nobody wins a long as this goes on. i agree. the real question is, can china and the us come to our understanding that profit? everybody? because i think that china would like to see

a new world order in which china and russia sorta confront the united states and then the period of us. so germany and as going to be the real question, how does this and, and he's right, the whole world doesn't support it. but i really surprised that asian countries, singapore, japan, they have also joined, didn't put a nice sanctions on. so it's really, i think it's a pivotal moment for the international community here. how this ends up because the ramifications will go on for decades. ok. they know they only in london, your fonts can. china and the u. s. come to an understanding. and what will russia, success, or failure in ukraine mean for, you know, global security in the us to come and the global economy. so it's a good moment for the 1st one, your 1st question, the province between the us and china, they go there and they go beyond these private. we have just forgotten about those

problems because now he's on the front page of every newspaper. and why is the people's a moment for the want to go there if they are ready, somehow the cobbling on the one in the us trying to move beyond that, even though there was july them the companies from us, from china, china, exactly the same company. the westernization, so these crisis is be with sailor re, these, these, these actually happening. so it's better to go to one of the stands and to see where the partnership between china russia is going because if it holes, there might be any filtration the brand of the company where we see to partially detox, there'll be chinese once the very much into making looking into developing war and

the u. s. one, which was probably close with those counting the country that have joined in time from crash and so straight on kind of you. all right, gentlemen, thank you very much for a very interesting discussion. and the mark gray calling say want to say no leon, you have a great conversation. indeed. thank you very much. and i thank you for watching. you can always watch this program again anytime by visiting our website at all, just 0 dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com for sachet j inside story. and of course you can join the conversation on twitter handle, is that a j inside story for me back to boy and whole team here? and thanks for watching bye. for now. the news.

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