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rack religious groups or who prisoners of conscious who are, i mean we do realize that if i have been in prison for 6 years, there's so many other people we don't know their names who have been suffering in prison in iran. so i, i think the justice in iran does not have any meaning because in worst case scenario you all in a be given a, the, the unfair trial. if you're lucky, then you'll be picked up by, by a kind of semi fair judge. but in most cases, you're not being like, ah, welcome back. our top stories on al jazeera, russia is justifying as strike an a shopping mall in ukraine's capital that kill at least 8 people saying it was being used to store and launch rockets. a curfew comes into effect in cave. shortly gross de la la la la la, wrote this book, ukrainian nationalists continue exploring civilians and putting multi rock along
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systems and civilian areas and keeps outskirts. they were putting those machines into residential areas at the same time. the area around shopping centers was used to keep stock ammunition and to launch missiles. russia has the intel of where they were kept and destroyed. one of the objects was super precise long distance missa. russian troops are fired warning shorts and tear gas at protesters in care sawn at least one person was injured in the demonstration care song was the 1st major city to come under russian control. they've been demonstrations in the southern port city ever since. and russian forces have bombed at the nearby city of mc alive . the block was seen in the direction of the cities, ot rushes. defense ministry says it use its noose hypersonic missile on targets in mich, alive on sunday. rushes armed forces save iv hit, a military depot in western ukraine's revenue region. the defense ministry says high precision missiles destroyed storage facilities for missiles and ammunition.
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the u. s. envoy to moscow has been told by russia that ties between the 2 countries are on the verge of being severed. it follows jo biden's comments last week, calling vladimir putin a war criminal. a russian court has ban social media platforms, facebook and instagram after calling their parent company and extremist organization. as off to meta, relax its rules on calls for violence against russian soldiers. in other news, a passenger plane carrying a 132 people has crashed in southern china. the china eastern, boeing 737800 jet was on its way from could ming to gone, jo? it came down in the countryside about 30 minutes before landing version, changing. paying has ordered an investigation. those are the headlines on al jazeera. i'll be back with a news hour in under 30 minutes right after inside story staley. this from talk to al jazeera. we do you believe that the french of an invasion of ukraine is
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currently the biggest threat to international peace and security? we listen, we are focusing so much on the human tearing crisis that we forget the long term development. we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on our russian artists and sports figures are being asked to condemn the invasion of ukraine or risk being banned from performing in the west. so should they be forced to take a political position? this is inside the ah, the hello welcome to the program. i'm hasn't seek across the western world, russian artist, musicians, filmmakers and athletes. i'll be excluded from events and competitions. they are under growing pressure to denounce the actions of russian president vladimir putin
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. that's despite laws to protect the freedom of expression for all people living and working in europe and north america. for the munich philharmonic has sacked its stock and dr. and put in support. valerie, get a give the soprano ana, net read cur, had to withdraw from several events, including new york's metropolitan opera. she wrote on instagram opposing the war, only to delete the post, but she stayed silent on president putin. and in tennis, the petition sports minister has warned russia tennis plays especially world number 2, daniel med vega, if they may be bought from wimbleton unless they denounce, let him to, to and talking about the breaches government is like i said, i think we should the show a great example that dennis is our should be out of politic, not tenure in general sports because we are outlets. we want to compete. we were
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sacrificing so many things. the sports should be outside of the politic because everyone say this. but in then loosely, steel is not happening. so this way i hope that we will support they will so that there is no politics. and we will be a good example to have a like a huge step forward. but some cultural figures say artists should take a clear political stance on the war in ukraine. russian born germany pianist and political activist ego or levitt, wrote on instagram, being a musician, does not free you from being a citizen from taking responsibility and the bringing up music as an excuse to remain vague is an insult on the. so let's talk more about this now with our panel in doha, we have the talia levine,
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a british russian play, right, political activist and blogger, in moscow, alexia to ship ski russian sports reporter, based in moscow. also in doha, daniel right. visiting associate professor at georgetown university katara, his research focuses on sports policy and politics. welcome to all of you, natalia. if i could start with you, and if you could talk about the, the circumstances of how you, you came to doha and your position on, on people going off to russian artists and, and sports people over this. i've been in a position for a very long time. in fact, i was raised, rushing well precisely to work the game against his regime, which i felt and knew as we all did in the opposition,
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will come to something like this. something critics and. and since then, we with been brutally fighting with not much result. unfortunately, i had to criminal cases against me. i was a prosecutor, and by bies, i was in power for my opposition sense, but i kept myself in russia fighting for all those years. i haven't left up until this point when i realized that not only my in danger because i'm vocal about my war. but my child is in danger and that's when i back them. we went to the which is where we are now. we're re, period of time. hopefully this will be over the world be always over soon. and then i hope to go back to russia and continue without doing with regards to all the public people for men and people in the us and,
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and their stance on the, on, on the war will, i believe anyone who is for the life where many, many followers meet the very 1st and the staff needs to be in line with what the civilized world has already expressed and the civilized world has condemned to. so this is what those people who want to work and, and teach and, and it to be global. they need to be could vary for them, whether it's tennis player mid, whereas whether it's neutral. so the 1st thing are they need to, they need to do that. this is important not only be, not only because the black world otherwise should not really step them in the future, but also because this is a moral thing to do. i believe we're in a position where it's very much black and white. i very much again, that's what generally we are in, in a unprecedented career point in our,
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in our, in our civilized life on the planet. we haven't said things of this magnitude. so this is time to be on the right side, on the side of the good. and the end of those people payments, people wealthy people, worldly people. if they're not prepared to make the sacrifice a couple of contracts with gas from to be on the right side, then that shouldn't be part of that life. well, they shouldn't be allowed to compete globally. it shouldn't be. it should be with the, with the normal people and working with the normal people and what was the normal for the time being at the very least. and i think in honesty, i think that will be probably blacklist the anyone who doesn't want to comply with with what's, you know, what is the right thing to do really at the moment. i think that will reflect this, that for a very long time. and i think that should be, it really is a breaking point. ok for all of us, alexia, chefs,
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you are shaking your head earlier. is it right to, to punish athletes? an artist of this? of course not. i mean, i agree with a general notion that dances should be heard and people should express their opinions on what's going on right now in ukraine. well, obviously it's a free world. then we have to express our approval or disapproval of that. but let's be real about it. i think it's a big i think that if you did that, or i think some that are in or any other prominent russian athlete, or global sporting celebrity, or cultural celebrity, says no to war, get out of your grade. this will not stop anyway. we've seen it time and time again . we have an example of a famous russian football. just a small off who was among the few big name out here in russia saying he's disapproval of what was going on in ukraine. did that stop the bombs falling? did that stop the military conflict?
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of course not. the one thing that people have to understand is that we have obviously elite athletes like an example. in the n h l, who did say his no to what's going on in ukraine, but did not take down the avatar on instagram, where he is with the russian president. obviously getting a lot of abuse for that. but he continued playing continue, scoring goals, and trust me, the washington capital science absolutely love what i was doing on the field of life. but on the other hand, we have sports man, and that leads from different factual sports here in russia. quite being castigated from the world sports community for no reason whatsoever. they never supported emergency contact, any grades, they've never voted for it. they've never vocally supported it. and yet they are being cast aside by you know, the license thomas by the president of the c for basically started this whole process of castigating rather than athletes. and you know, in the case then, you know, if they are, for mentioned tennis player and again,
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so probably some that many out of football, for instance, russell football is across the planet. they are very well to people. they are multi millionaires and medications. but let's, so for instance, about berry berry olympic athletes who are kicked out from beijing a day before the games were supposed to start. let's talk about sky is, let's talk about biopsies. let's talk about june. and all the other people who only have one means to survive, it's doing sport. here they are, we're already cast out from the international supporting family. and if they speak out here in russia and trust me, you, you are, you know what i'm talking about. they will have problems here as well, so they basically have nowhere else to go. we have to think about these people as well, of course, saying you know, or yes to what's going on in your grade. vital thing. but i think in the case of athletes, this is just a little bit too risky for them and they're likely within the future. daniel, right? well, what's your, what's your take on this? and for those who say sports and politics in particular shouldn't,
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shouldn't go together. that's the history of that shows that this is not on charted territory. is it? yeah. cause but in general, when it comes to sporting play, caught of what he has and we had a little boy in the seventy's and eighty's and ninety's, 76 african congress, putting them on to protest in 98. he's the us and as always, some bass boy, the mom called process, most of the nation. if one was what somebody by faith. but since the end of the cold war, everything again, the number of countries increased. so we did not see boy got any mos in the ninety's and for the coming years, they had been a couple of individual boy by ever asked me on the spot in general.
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and so this is a very special situational. it maybe a bit like 9048 when germany and japan were not allowed to participate in some of the games as a punishment for the 2nd world war. and this time, russian se sum teams like this to prevent the 3rd word while natalia pell, even if i could turn back to you on this. you know, alexi made the point there that this is, this is punishing a lot of athletes, particularly in russia who don't make a huge salary. and they're being caught up in this through no choice of their own. i mean, you know, foreign based athletes who, who have a, the notoriety and, and are able to are in a position to, to speak out if they want. but others are being punished unnecessarily. honestly, every want to be punished necessarily at this. if, if those people in the 4th,
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they still vote, right? i mean, they don't really just do sports, they have the right to go and vote all those years. they voted, or who to. this is their punishment. if they just kept silent and did nothing, this is their punishment. i'm very sorry, but that's just how it is. anyone who didn't stand up in time. so this dictator will let us to this point when we're in the middle of a horrible, i'm just complete. no necessary, bloody war. it's punishable along with this is not just what's the point why people will have to realize it. if the russian people who allow him to get to the point where punish should be punished as well. not just general public which is being punished with attention defense, but that's not what we're talking about that. but going back to the famous atlas, but that meant that was mentioned. i firmly believe that the global was community
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should not, except in its ren atlas, who don't have the yacht and the decency stand up against the bloody war that rushes leading in ukraine, they just should not be accepted, period, alexia, now you want to respond to some of that, and i also want to ask you, i'm sure you're aware of the, of what happened a couple days ago with the the russian autistic gymnast even coolie act. here in doha, he displayed the the said sign on his vest, which is, as you know, as seen as a symbol of support of rushes, actions in ukraine, and he was on the metal podium and what, what offended a lot of people, particularly the international gymnastics federation, was was not just that, but the fact that he was standing next to the ukranian actually who won the gold medal so they are opening up an investigation into that all day. right. to do that,
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well, to be honest with you, i'm not a big fan of political statements in the field of play. i've been long sought that sport and politics are 2 different b, sunday should not be in the same board. but even judging by what natalie was saying, that you know, that these should be, you know, not let in to participate in the international competition. simply on the basis of the fact that they belong to russia. but they are russia and whether they have voted for booting or not, we don't know that i think it's just the repositories that we have come to this stage where called sports and things which are so distance away from politics are not being completely politicized. and you know, in the case of this, the gymnast, i don't approve of what you did, and i do believe that you should be punished for that. but at the same time, let's remember multiple cases when athletes as you know, express their opinions in the field of play and they were punished as well. so if that is the principle is applied equally to every single athlete. and there was
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also a gates during the aging and when ukrainian athletes brandish, they know war slogan, he wasn't really punished, but there was, you know, there wasn't what talks between him and the representatives of the i see that you shouldn't be doing that even though he wasn't actually supporting anything he was to the country saying that there shouldn't be, will happening in ukraine. this is a very dark territory, but i'll give you another example. we're talking about russia who may or may not be allowed to participate in national competitions. i mean, i respect that, you know, different opinions on that matter, but i'll give you a different example. there is a big football style in russia who is georgia tech. why don't you play for urban, catherine and the latest information that is being widely speculated. now in the rest of sports media is that his family is receiving death threats right now that if you continuous playing in russia, the family will suffer consequences. so basically, one,
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i don't know whether that's someone english speaking or ukrainian speaking doesn't really matter for that point. they're hounding out a player and sending that question just family so that he leaves russia and go somewhere else. and now there's an international break and football going on. so he left russia, he may not be coming back. how is that? all right? can someone explain to me, is this the bottom part of what is this part of the sports with our politics kind of thing. he's just crossing all the boundaries and i don't think to be honest, that athletes should be by in the price for what governments do. because we don't remember any us athletes or u. k. or any other athletes being banned, binds national sports nation. when these countries were engage the military conflicts all over the world. and now with the case with russians, and i think it's unjust, unfair, and it's killing russian sport effectively. just like guys must be happening over the last 4 or 5 years, you know, different reason let's, let's put some of that back to natalia then is, is there a line that's being crossed here when you go off to not just sudden athletes,
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but their families as well, well, i feel bad for anyone who gets death threats and threats general i've been getting in years from freshman or friendly movements and things. so i know what that's, that is about i feel bad about that, but there's always an extreme reaction to the obviously i, i think that people were, you know, taking it to that, that level. it's very stupid, completely an app for it and should be happening. however, i still do believe that if you, if you're a rough annapolis and unless you boca lee, especially if you're famous, if you're not famous, then you don't have many followers that there may be, you know, the, it doesn't make much of a difference. but you and some of those people are there and some of that stuff, very famous. they have lots of followers and social media. if they don't take the bath because they, they are afraid of consequences. but then they're
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a russian sort of whatever life and then and workplace, whoever they work for. that's just that's sure, a fine to me that the, they, they should be back from, from the rest of the global at the community. because if you don't have the guts, you don't have the moral benson use to react to something. yes for that as what we see going on in your brain. then we don't want to deal with the period is, is what i feel. daniel rice to boy courts of whether they're of athletes or artists, or any anyone in culture, do they ultimately make a difference? and by making a difference, i mean, do they force the person or the regime that's being targeted to, to change their position, to change that policy? it to pass. i mean, the boy caught on epic,
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i was suddenly successful. and south african was for a long period of time excluded from international spots. when we study the highest spot in what might have been one reason it was a boy called the station games in the sixties and seventies. and was that expand from sporting ration and is now a member of your case. so this has been satisfied overall architecture. optimist bought the piece and can compete with each other regardless of different ideologies, politics, religions, and so on. so this should be like really an exception to boy because otherwise the entire national system what not sanction, i can just share something from discussions with my you my so they had been critic and said they are because many western countries was
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accept the treatment also part of finance people and not quite, but my wife is now different actually in the case of russia, ukraine. this is true. i assure the criticism i think wrong in one case doesn't justify to wrong in another case. and we're really in a very tragic situation. give them a sense, since russia has nuclear weapons saw that we did the risk of like a conflict. so i think why i'm in general again sporting what i think in exceptional circumstances like this one is justify what you view and that then l alexi. sometimes things like this are justified and culture and sport in general, as unfortunate as it is, will become a kind of collateral damage to, to, to action, serve such as rushes actions in ukraine was left. i'll be very blunt about
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it. i don't support what's going on in ukraine. i lived in ukraine. i know this country very well and i, i've been in shops since day one. there is no justification to me as to what's happening, that it cannot be justified in any way. but at the same time, there's another side to the story that almost i feel like i am russian and i'm evil by default. and that is not true, because if you look at how much this country has given to the world culture, why sports, why? i just came back from aging olympics. i spoke to numerous athletes from all over the world from australia. it's a more way and, you know, we already had a situation in beijing when everyone started talking about russia. yeah. not for a good reason, not for about reason, but for another doping scandal adobe allegations against i speak of states. and i spoke to many options and they said listen, if they kick you out from sports, this will be a big loss to us because russians are among the strongest atkins to compete against
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russians are brewing to be a very hard competition for us. so if you are just gone from the face of the sports, you will just win all metals and would normally be fun for us. it's not going to be as competitive as it was. we never tend to think about that and talk about that in the context of what's going on in your grades, especially if you look at what's happening, what's been happening in the past with the military things all over the world. and very few countries were actually punished for it. remember, lot of the force they were kicked out on the walls up for their onslaught which, which was happening there. but other than that, there are just very few examples of the same thing happening to russia right now. indeed, the world is coming together, criticizing rushes, actions and ukraine bus. the long lasting effect of, you know, i'd have them culture and sports will be, will be felt on the shops will be really raising a cost to bless. again, simply because russia has a big place in sports and culture worldwide,
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and you know, what started me the most for this matter is that things like sports in culture. they should be uniting people. and in this case, they are only like putting people even further apart, especially in the game. when can you essentially use? and i can tell you that the reaction here in russia is being very negative about that you add to the notion that, you know, do those what supporting the actions. and you're going to say ok, they're sanctioning our athletes. they're kicking out our musicians and things like that. it makes people even more angry. so what good does for, resolution on this matter? i have no idea. let's, let's put this back to natalia briefly to point to alexi makes there, i mean, our, our sports and also both and acted as a bridge between cultures and nation. so by punishing the practitioners of those things don't, don't risk burning bridges. well, bridges have been burned by the red. there's really not much to repair at the moment. and the walk that divides everybody, which is why who is, was making this world wide workplace by his actions. so, unfortunate as it is, as,
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as has been mentioned, that some of those athletes who don't make too much money or not. well, famous outlets are put in a position where they can compete, unfortunate, but that is the price you pay for competing with a country that is led by a bloody dictator. that is just how it is. ok that's, that's the term we use for a long time when he wasn't completely justified. now unfortunately it is. he's a blood. oh, i know everybody collateral damage and on that we are going to have to leave it. thank you very much. to all 3 of you, natalia 11 alexi, chef ski and daniel rice, thanks very much for being on a side story. and thank you. as always for watching remy, you can see the program again. any time just go to our website agency or dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a j inside stored. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle. there is
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