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we bring you the stories and developments that are rapidly changing the world we're living. what do you think's been driving the volatility market? counting the cost on al jazeera, so malia is facing its worst drought in for decades. the united nations is warning more than half of its people are at risk of severe hunger or starvation this year. so cancel marya avert famine. this isn't sites don't. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm debbie and applegate on the horn of africa region is facing its driest conditions and decades. after 3 consecutive rainy seasons failed agency se only a tiny fraction of the funds needed for food assistance has been raised. as the
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world focuses on the humanitarian crisis in ukraine. and further complicating the response is the political and security situation. and a suburb has been stepping up attacks while the government's been paralyzed by dispute between the president and prime minister will hover power shortly. but 1st, markham web reports from southern somalia, still warning some few words, may find the images and malcolm's report disturbing a. this is what somali is drought, but it has done to this 3 year old boy his father and de la. he abdi mohammed was a farmer to all these crops, died. last month, they joined hundreds of thousands of people who were leaving their homes from makeshift camps. but there wasn't enough food or water in the camp either. so i left my wife in the camp. she was also sick. i have been here for 14 days with my
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son in the hospital and is slowly making recovery day after day. the u. n says more than a 1000000 children malnourished, a 3rd of them severely after the last 3 rainy seasons failed. crops and animals have been wiped out. children who are among the most vulnerable, the lucky ones get medical help across southern somalia, sara, p take feeding centers a full like this one in the town of look somali as had famines before. the doctor shook the hussein up. the says she never seen anything like this. she works here for the irish charity tro care. more than to came to money admitted according to who did this more market. most people here heard these animals include crops on the
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banks of the rivers. it till they dried up. this was somebody's name, survival, livestock can eat what little grows on the thorny bushes and turn it into milk. me an income, now caucasus scattering this whole area. people say 1st, the crops died when the animals died too, they had no choice to walk here to the edge of the town and sets up a camp. people use what they can to shelter from the dust in the sun. conditions on good. many children here need help, but humanitarian agencies say they have less than 3 percent of the money they need . any help is too late for had a data is act daughter and her 4 grandchildren, who she says, all died on the way here. one way the children died while we were walking, we did not have any kind of transport. if only we had transport,
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they would have survived. we could not get food or water, so they could not walk. that's why they died. nobody's even counted how many malnourished children of already died. the next rains driven april help is needed now. malcolm web al, jazeera, southern somalia. the, let's not bring in our guest or in the us room. ca, smiles, marsan hammer, cliff. he's the minister of planning and international cooperation in somalia, semi autonomous region of jubilant from washington dc. hold on ali, a nurse practitioner who's a senior advisor to the mayor of mogadishu on from a pewter mozambique omar. he's a senior eastern africa analyst at the international crisis. group, welcome to inside story. thanks very much for your time with us. were some how much fun? if i may start with you, tell us what you're seeing, where you are in terms of the people suffering because of food and water scarcity.
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as a result of the drought. thank you very much, lucy kennedy. this is one of the longest running routes in recent memory. and it's on add on stuff to bottle or sort of the drought of 2011. it is a national tragedy in all parts of somalia, but is specifically in durable and the state of somalia is one of the hardest it areas you may know durable land states is the state of the federal members state of somalia which borders gay. the drought initially started in northeastern parts ok, where it has affected the livestock and the lives of hundreds of thousands of people who have cross this poorest border into jubilant state. and from june, july,
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last year, until now we've been ringing the alarm bells for the national government and for the national community that. ready that we will see not only livestock last, but people last will talk and i sent a response from the national government's response in a moment. but 1st, just to kind of continue what you're saying, break it down for us and tell us what this means for people on a day to day basis from what you're seeing. well, what it means for people on a day to day basis at the moment is that. 2 hundreds of thousands of families have been after losing the livestock in which they depended for the live and as a result. busy now we are seeing people losing their lives because the lack of water and lack of other food from districts as far as
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by data good or bad a and walk. 2 no, blake, but you're seeing people's support. we're getting reported with missing young children and mothers lives you last on a daily basis now for the 3rd week and role ok, hold on. let me bring you in from washington dc because i saw you nodding along with my guest from keith smiled when he was saying this route is in fact, worst than the ones in the recent past in 2011 as well as 2017 you agree with that statement? tell us what you've been hearing. absolutely, and i think having me, i just returned from the region. and really what madison has said is, is on point. we have about nearly half, and she's facing cuba hungry about 4 and half 1000000 people. 200000 children are mountain nutrition. we have reports, you know, mizo,
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our base and already people dying of starvation and thirst. we've got over nearly 2000000. my stock that has been lost as you know, some of the, some idea some of these are dependent on the pastor agricultural part of their lives. and that has been newly weisner consecutive years for nearly 3 decades. in particular, in the last 5 years has really culminated to best we're looking at, you know, the worst military prices that country has seen in 2011, which really became a famine in the last nearly 300000 children. this won't actually work those numbers . if we do not respond effectively immediately. ready ok here, i mean in 2011 who done? it was declarative famine. and that was based on a combination of factors such as consecutive droughts, high global,
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and domestic food prices, poor local grain harvest. what's different this time around? because we keep hearing that somalia is on the verge of famine, but it hasn't been declared as a famine just yet. well, we haven't seen the massive depth that we've seen yet. right. and we will see, but what's worth this time is that in fact, our government has been really falling behind in terms of the response. we've been caught up in 2 years of elections. we have a political, quite a country back completed. detracted both local, international attention. we've got the issues going on globally with the queen and all of that has really directed attention. but in terms of declaring a family, it's about numbers of life that have been locked or are on the verge of much. as of right now, i think the problem is, you know, that there isn't a coherence in an understanding of the devastation that it's on. and i tell them as we really get our act together and declare somebody and maybe in the critical that
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is whether it fits the definition of famine or not. ok. yeah, yeah, just for you, just one more for you on this issue. before i move on to my guess from mozambique, but because when we look at 2011, the, the definition of famine or the term famine in fact was declared in july. but research seems to suggest that it had likely started in march or april. and as a result of that, there was a delay in the humanitarian assistance to somalia. is there a risk that dot scenario is being reputed right now? absolutely, and i think we're going to see a lot more demonstration if, if we don't have the instructions on it, it doesn't, in fact declare some money our family at this point because of that multiple crisis . in fact, we might be actually in worst states and we were, i do my 2011, which was already too late at that point. so i think it really that international community to move along to finding get somebody's government to, to do its job as well. ok, omar, thanks so much for just being patient. well,
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while we got through about tell us what you're seeing in terms of the response by the international community to the situation in somalia, is it enough? well i think what the previous got mentioned in terms of the different global climate we are in right now compared to these previous shocks. we've seen over the past decade in somalia, obviously you have a war and ukraine right now. that is distracting. a lot of attention, but even if you look at the horn of africa, there's multiple other flash points. there's multiple other priorities that have really push somali, i think quite down a bit compared to what it was before and in. so the funding appeals are, are much lower. i think only 3 percentage has been funded to date, which is quite a dire situation. and at the same time, while their husband some, some attention and focus on this, you know, some of it is in the midst of this ongoing electoral process that's been going on for over a year. well over time,
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which i think also complicates kind of the coordination and mushroom mean of, of kind of a more coherent response. yeah, that's what i wanted to ask you about. in fact, because you're right in saying that the humanitarian response is only 3 percent funded or from what you're seeing in the work that you do or international donors, discouraged due to the internal political situation and the unrest in the country. well, i think there is a level of fatigue that has sat in on somalia, probably over the past couple years. you know, again, some of this is distracted priorities as, as other hotspots of emerged in the horn of africa. part of it is a frustration with progress over the past few years, especially with this electoral cycle, which is so difficult, so prolonged. i mean, you know, you have a government that technically use constitutional mandate expire over a year ago. and even in the lead up to that, the discussions were very intense around the election. so you have a lot of attention and political capital going into those dynamics,
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which for i think some international partners is misdirected, you know, it's directed towards internal politics rather than towards crucial needs, whether it's security or humanitarian relief. or let's get more cells take on this . i mean, to what extent using the political crisis that's been taking place since last year in fact is complicating the responds to the droughts and the, and the food crisis. absolutely. 1 the, the parties that would have elaborated nationally to respond to this crisis are dealing with the deal along the longest political crisis implicit somalis history with an election, federal level election that has not taken place for over a year and a half. the process started 89 months ago, and it still keeps on dragging. that certainly if that's 8 or 9 months since
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the upper house election started, when drought has, has started affecting certain regions. the international community response is also a dismal part of it may be they are focused on the political situation on the ground in somalia, other parts the other global crisis such as the korean alive. i don't think that has much affect give this drug has been going on for months, but enjoyable. and another obstacle that we are facing that we have been trying to figure out is that the federal government is. ready holding control of one of the regions of jubilant, and most of that region get those which has been affected by the drought. officials from jubilant,
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such as myself. the other cabinet members have not been allowed to even assist or respond to or assess the gravity of the situation on the ground. we've been july on 3rd party supports and years on the ground. and it's all because of the my just what i mean. what do you mean you are not allowed to assess? what does that mean you around what, how, how does that even happen? well, this is one of the little known facts about the political turmoil, somalia, the from i just had started taking over by force. ready national forces, part of jubilant estate, back in 2020, early, 2020. and then last, no community has been silent on that. and that has created a culture clash within the states where the
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national government and its leadership. i've been trying to is so conflict between the communities. ready within the jubilant states and explaining the history of the may belong, but i mean, they are playing the claims that will certainly have to put to the government. but let's just stay on topic for the moment and bring in hold on only from what you've seen. how would you evaluate the government's response to this crisis? and who done? does the government actually have a plan to deal with the drought and the hungry crisis? besides relying on international aids you but norman response have been a dismal failure. it's unfortunate that 4 and a half 1000000 some mondays are on the bridge, a huge hunger bordering famine. and we have yet mobilized a whole coherent response on this. and this is, you know, squarely on the piece of the, of the prime minister right now, really,
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the only legitimate government that we have this failure. there has been a committee that has been appointed, maybe a few weeks back. we have seen little delivery on not yet, you know, efforts in terms of raising funds and allocating funds to the crisis. the complete lack of attention to this issue primarily on the pick that my colleague and i've been mentioning is the problem. and i mean, the country, i only thing that is, is being discussed is this politics in the pilot is not been absolute, the toxic to the point where even right, you know, somebody's been in the past supportive or supporting, you know, someone is it needs been difficult even fun with amongst some toxic culture that i've been pleasing. but as of right now, you know that the only mandated government is the prime minister and it needs to actually take this issue as
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a priority number one. rather than just focusing on the medical dynamics of the country, we should be able to chew gum and walk at the same time. it is a government and the responsibility falls on the government to make sure that the nation happened. and the fundraising effort globally gets around at the moment, we're actually finding that i see on the bill. and ultimately the responsibility will fall on that end. i mean, i mean we do have from, i just feel as the head of the head and he had really spend your time talking about this issue. so yeah, there is a failure on behalf of the government. and i think that that is what we're seeing. the call one more issue that we must address, of course is the security situation with that my mood and the, and bob who controls large parts of the country. i mean from what you've been, i know you're not on the ground in somalia, mar, but what for you from what you've been hearing and seeing to what extent is the
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security situation hampering any sort of aid effort. if the aid efforts were to even take place. yeah, well i mean, the complicating factor is bad. tell us about it is, you know, in reality the dominant security actor enlarge swans of south and central somalia. and so in order to access those populations, i mean you do have to go through the group at some level or you wake those populations to leave those areas under group control. and you know, in the past we have seen some level of access to those populations through the group. you know, this isn't often talked about publicly acknowledged, but through intermediaries and some sorts of local negotiations. you do kind of have that out. but that presents, you know, one of the biggest challenges here, you know, some of the hardest hit, some of the, you know, most rural areas are basically out of government control. right? and so you see this as a challenge, not only before the government, but actually for the, for the group itself because you see the all sure bob undertaking some response on
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its own. but you still see people kind of leaving their territories or, or, you know, government, how the areas and expectation upgrade of relief. so at the end of the day, you know, this could be an opportunity perhaps to, to kind of, you know, explore some sort of humanitarian dialogue with the group to, to say, look, you know, we, we can't have these population suffering anymore than they really need to do you know, put politics aside per 2nd? i mean, how likely do you think that is and i wonder if you can just talk a little bit more about the specific challenges in working in these areas that are outside of government control. well, you know, i think we have seen some very limited and epistatic instances of this in the past . you know, if you look at the response to 2011, i'll show bob's response to that, to that famine was actually quite disastrous. where they, they cut off aid and many, many, hundreds of thousands of people died. and that really affected the group. if you
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look in 2017, they kind of undertook a bit of a different approach. so, you know, this is an actor that also realizes, you know, they really can't follow the same patterns as well before so, so i do think there is an opportunity there. it's a very delicate one. it's very complicated. but we see that a very localized levels happening at various times you see movement going back and forth. but of course, you know, you can't really access these areas without, without basically going through while i'll show bob, you know, right now you have a situation where you have this world urban device, essentially where, you know, government forces in the african union peacekeeping mission that backs them up or hunkered down in urban areas, some of these which are blockaded by all. sure, bob. so you can't even get supplies in and out. so, so it really is, it's quite a challenge in terms of trying to reach those other populations. and if you wait for them all to come to you, as we heard on opening segments, you know, many also suffer during, during that route, right. more. so what's at stake if this is all not addressed?
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be the, the drought and the hunger crisis. and if it's not addressed right away, the status is very dire. we are already a critical juncture. we started seeing people wonder about people, children, mother's elderly, lose their lives. ready reports from all over the land estate and many other parts of somalia should make an approach. greg, if immediate assistance, then national level and national level not does not reach many of one or both community media. we're only going to see the numbers size and unfortunately not only numbers. these are all human beings, what we think that lives in a way that avoidable right. the world can do better,
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so malia can do better. okay, hold on. final thoughts to you. what do you think needs to be done right away and what are you calling on? i think i call on the government to get a bit more and gets organizing and responding effectively and working with the national community to raise and support. but also focus on the somali community, both at home and abroad, get the business aspect to involved in start. the appeals to support because the gaps are actually invested suite to my knowledge has been secured to respond to, to this crisis. but i also want to send a message international community that you initially some idea is that this, you know, approach to managing for money out basically on a crisis,
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the crisis when there is nearly $2000000000.00 that goes into the country and really is something that needs to be addressed because, you know, somebody needs long, sustainable interventions on these issues. we know these are issues and they will get worse and the management approach will not be helpful. but in terms of the overall, you know, government in, in between, that is right now. i think you know, some of the cost of what needs to be ok and make sure that we don't have hundreds of thousands of people dying in 202230 really a testament from a government failure. if that happens, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us. what sort of a, how much money for the ali and alma who thank you so much. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook page, facebook dot com, forward slash adrian cy story. you can join the conversation on twitter or handle as adrian side story from myself and the whole team here and how things very much
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