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cranium, ballet dancers forced to escape the war being given the chance to train with the berlin state ballet in germany. about 200 refugee dances have been welcome very, including some from russia who oppose the pusan regime. the dances are hoping to find new employment with companies across europe initiative was organized by the ukranian prima ballerina who is a member of the berlin state ballet. ah . just a recap of the main stories. the main developments were following as our leaders of nato, the european union, and the group of 7 nations been meeting in brussels. they have condemned russia's actions in ukraine. the 13 nato ally say it's the gravest threat to your atlantic security and decades. while the g 7 warned against the use of chemical biological and nuclear weapons, the u. s. president has also announced additional sanctions against russia and says
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his country will commit to a $1000000000.00 in humanitarian assistance to ukraine. food was banking on late, obeys, split. my earlier conversation with the december and early january was clear to me . he didn't think we could sustain this cohesion meadow has never, never been more united than it is today. prudent is getting exactly the opposite. what he intended to have as a consequence of going to new cran. we built that same unity with our european, the european union, and with the leading democracies of the g 7. while as diplomatic meetings take place, the fighting is continued inside ukraine. kiev says it sank a russian warship and the us of c and hit occupied port facilities in bar dance. but its towns and cities are still facing attack. aid is trickling into the besieged city of mary opal. meanwhile, which has been devastated by bombing and then more shelling on the frontline city
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of car keep just 25 kilometers from the russian border. 6 people were killed there and 15 wounded when artillery fire hit the road in front of the postal center where people were thought to be queuing for humanitarian aid. will, in all the stories were following. ethiopia, as government is saying that it's going to observe a truce with rebels. integrity allow aid into the waterloo region. the u. n is saying more than 90 percent of people there now are in need of food and medicine, but only a small amount has been able to get through the 2 sides. blame each other for preventing a deliveries. and north korea is launched, a suspected intercontinental ballistic missile for the 1st time since 2017 south korean. and japanese governments have criticized that. calling is a clear violation of un security council resolutions. japan says the latest test shows north korea's technology has advanced the stream coming up next. so how do you define successful?
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first here in charge of accounting, we bring you the stories independent, manage that are rapidly changing the world we're living. what do you think driving performance, collecting? counting the cost on al jazeera. ah, welcome to the story, ma'am josh again for, for me. ok. the you in says more than $1000.00 civilians have been killed ukraine since russia invaded the country a month ago. now, us president joe biden and other nato leaders have pledged more military hardware to ukraine, while also agreeing to strengthen the military blocks eastern defences. today we look at what nato and the use next steps mean for people in ukraine and eastern europe. nicholas there'll be off, send us this video, comment about ukrainian public opinion on the nato alliance or
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are you claiming that he did not support in your 1st and foremost. busy the plan is all over your race. secondly, because you did not provide me 2nd i needed military jeff style force on the other hand of their magic with special law and do their job about 47 percent. not now 73 percent. i'm joining studio by al jazeera senior correspondent, alan fisher hunter celeste as a director of security programs at the foreign policy councils ukrainian prism. she's in the ukranian city of odessa and ragna schaler is the program director and international affairs at kerber foundation. she's in berlin. oh yeah,
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one more seat at the table. hey that you. if you're watching this on youtube, she that box over there. we have a live stream producer waiting to get your comments to me so i can get him to our guest. and you too can be in the stream. alan, can you give us some of the top lines coming out of the nato conference in brussels today? a so called a couple of really big meetings going ahead in belgium over the last few hours and will continue for the next few hours, as well as far as joe biden is concerned, that the big message is that the united states is ready to accept up to 100000 refugees into the united states. that will get some a pushback from, from summing in washington. his cold for the removal of russia from the g 20 says that that's the decision to be made by the g 20. but clearly he's very keen on that idea that as you said, the, the going to strengthen nieto as eastern flight, which probably means more troops to the baltic countries and also to poland. i. and
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then e perhaps unwittingly suggested, there's a gap in his schedule on friday. he's spending a few hours in poland. he's going to go and speak to humanitarian workers. but it seems that he may well be looking for an opportunity to meet president so lensky. a from what he said that that certainly with what he was pointing at that might change because secret service don't like the present flagging. this sort of thing up. the been trying to keep it under wraps, but don't be surprised if the 2 them meet at some point where the wait, wait, where would they possibly meet possibly close to the border. i mean, these things aren't left to chance. secret service will be on the ground, seeing where there's possibly somewhere that they can meet safely, maybe even in poland itself, although zalinski would not be keen on the idea of being seen to lead pool. and, but just in the way that joe biden almost flipped up, don't be surprised at the to the meet tomorrow, you know, for those kind of slow ups. for honest about ron. yes. okay,
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give me your take on this take. i'm not picky. rush out of the g, 20 less diplomatic connections with russia. is that the way forward here? i mean, we don't know what we know is that the west has to stay stunned. united and i think today was a very important day for this because we had the natal somewhere. we had the european council going on. but also the, the summit of the chief 7, the does, all of which send a united and a strong message to the world saying we stand with ukraine. i want to get back though, to the video you showed in the very beginning where me cola said ukraine and have been to the point with nato. i think what's important to, to consider if the nato members are really treading a fine line between showing support to ukraine and not giving material for further escalation to, to the russian leadership. and this is a very cool, very difficult situation. we're all in. and president laskey addressed nato leaders
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today, asking for more of that military hardware. we have a bit of video from that. can we play his sound by the name? my name little that i give ukraine does not how powerful and he misses weapons and has a much smaller aircraft fleet than russia. therefore, their advantage in the sky is the use of weapons of mass destruction. and you can see the consequences to day, how many people were killed, how many peaceful cities were destroyed, the ukrainian army has been resisting for months in unequal conditions. and i've been repeating the same thing for months now. to save people and our cities, ukraine needs military assistance without any restrictions, not just thought free, but you know how to ask. it's been really critical of nato in the last week or so. but just in the last day or 2, is he changing his tone a little bit? and if so, what? why what, what's behind that? yes, exactly. if you her today be she had the rhetoric change,
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he was not criticizing matrix, it was not demanding something. he was not telling that they to even gill key. one of the reason is that ukrainian act for community being quite active trying to explaining that don't make the position of the individual states with natal don't request from nato as an organization. what it can provide because like weapons that we are asking, natal cannot provide weapons a weapons. that is the national government responsibility. so let us germany, why germany doesn't want to do it or let us come agree, why it is blocking on the changes, but don't tell it to nature because what need to do it? they did it quite well. and today we heard the change of the rhetoric, both from the president and from the nato officials, by the way, as well. because if you heard social for last 2 weeks, he was telling only me to can not do it. and we always said, or k, we know what you can't tell us what you can or what you already do because definitely need to be in training ukrainian are of course we will not be able to
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fight as we are doing this now without that 80 or so train you need to help with logistics with the supply chain was communication with the cybersecurity, with brand to other thanks to the truck fonts, to the advisors that brought us to the situation we are now. many countries gave us just 3 day. we are already at the date 28th of the for ron. you know, speaking about the way nato feels about this, a new survey just came out in the last 24 hours. i believe on how germans feel about this. and if i can show my computer, we have this survey that shows last year when asked, should germany stay involved in international crises, in the future? you had about 50 percent, say they should be more restrained. so kind of down the middle there, whereas this year, same question, 67 percent now say that germany needs to be more involved. this is aligned with new administration and the greater military spending that were saying in germany. a 2nd
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question should germany become more independent from the united states in a security policy? and right now you have something around 76 percent, same more independent. so i can you suss these 2 out for me because one seems to say more engage, which would directly be through nato. and us be a major part player there. and then 3 quarters are saying, but do it in a way this more independent from the you us? absolutely, and thanks for bringing this up. i was a few words about both of them must. i think the 1st one is really thick, mythic, and, and it's a, it's a historic shift in german public opinion. so you had these so called silent vendors speeches in the german bonus tag, germany pledging to really spend 2 percent of g d, p on defense in the coming years, which is sick nic, and it makes germany the 3rd largest military spend the on earth it's, it's hard to imagine, but what comes with this is really a different also strategic role in the world and this will require intense contact
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and discussion also with the society that has not been used to this. so this, this change in public opinion is significant, but it will have to be maintained and it will take effort from the government to really i'm engage with, with the society on these questions. regarding the 2nd a graph you, you showed you see that a large mentor majority in germany says they want to europe to become more independent from the united states than in fact, there was a sub question asking why and up to 50 percent of people said, because we fear that the u. s. will withdraw from europe in the foreseeable future . so the trump legacy is still being felt in, in europe, but for, for europe to really take its fate into their own hands and to become more independent and more, more active on the world stage. it needs military spending and better,
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but it also needs strategic thinking and, and exchange with, with partners on this. and there's still a lot of homework to do. i want to bring in the foresee that the table here you to, we have a handful of comments. alan, i'm going to tossed these to you. may we just do a round? robin halston ition says e u has filled ukraine, but not providing of support. terence korea says why ukraine cannot become a neutral country. russia will never be comfortable with nato on the border. and andy warrior says, what are the chances of conflict morphing into war worth 3, i think there's an element of relief which might be too strong award. that for the moment this war is contained as contained within the borders of ukraine. we're hearing people call for a no fly zone. that's not going to happen. joe biden doesn't want to put americans directly up against the russians because then that has the potential to become a much wider conflict. so you're not going to see no fly zones being implemented at the moment, but if they can continue to support the ukrainians without directly going up
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against the russians. both the united states, anita, we're quite happy to do that. can i bring up that our strategic ambiguity, which means for a nation rather than drawing a red line in the sand that says if you crossed us, then we escalate. there is no line and you don't know what the other side necessarily considers an escalation. how calculated is it for the us to know what russia will consider an escalation in an escalation? and they've been relatively good with their intelligence up to this point. remember, before the war, they said the russians are going to do this, and the russians did follow that playbook. i'm it. what is it is concerning for the biden administration is using the phrase red line. if you go back to when joe biden was less than the white house, he was vice president under barack obama. barack obama said, absolutely a red line. if the settings use chemical weapons in syria, then we're going to take action. hey, the salience used chemical weapons. what it obama do? nothing. then obama looked weak. joe biden doesn't want to give that political
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advantage away. so you will never from this white house here any senior official. see on the record. yet there's a red line here. i want to pull an a quo a little a go for on a gun. yeah, just as mullins, the red lines you know, are here. you need to understand that sometimes it's not about the actions, but about the perception of the action. because as you see, you know what the western countries are paying for with weapons and with money. that's because they were so careful as they perceive this. so eager for the dialogue for the previous 8 years seems the annexation of crimea. there. c a lot of research now that argue be some saying, but maybe you put sanctions where the annexation eagle invitational crania in 2014 would be stronger. probably mister food, you will think twice, or at least some oligarch around him will think twice about sponsoring the project . because f o, now what we're hearing black or a lot ukraine become
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a neutral lead nature go further, because that is the red line for the russian federation. so don't support ukraine. and russia would be nice again, but sorry, ukraine was the neutral in 2014. it didn't prevent kremlin from actions and it didn't prevent them one months ago. so here it seems to me that sometimes we manipulation with the issues of red blind. so the russian federation and what can provoke them, what cannot provoke them? the actions of mr. booting and rhetorical features, especially those who can in the sense russian language has been here, the wording a notion that he's using. they became very racial or mult, according to the lord or some type of the real political are being. here's what they had a nato. yellowstone berg had to say today about this. so we are, we set think nasal. so turns and defense florida long term with more troops or with the more air assets on more maritime capabilities. we have older the
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increased our presence in the east, and today we decided on for new battle groups on that the leaders agreed to tall sco mentor commanders to provide options of for a long term reset. though our press and saw remitted that upholstered in the eastern part of the lines on across the whole alarms run you when stilton bridge says that they're going to reinforce the eastern flank of nato is, is he speaking specifically about the baltic states in that that small connection here, i have a map, let's show our viewers a map. here we go to my computer. this is nato. you can see the darker colors to left for the earlier countries. and now it's been encroaching easterly and as all the way up into the former soviet states that the baltic states which are connected . and i'm going to put my mouse over this for you guys. that's about a 40 mile border right there. and it's a weak spot in the eastern flank of nato. so are we talking about moving troops there? and this is starting to sound. i mean, it has always been
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a military organization, but it also kind of feels a little bit like a sleeping giant waking up in force is actually coming into play that have only been terrorized for a long time. can you touch on that run you? sure. i mean, we're talking about the bowl takes, but we're not only talking about the bowl takes. nato already has 4 battle groups in place in the 3 baltic countries as well as in poland. that's about where you, your mouse was hovering. but to day st ultima was announcing the deployment of 4 more. a battle groups her the in the south of beast and flank, namely in romania, apple, garrison, lakia and hungary, which means that there will really be battle groups from the baltic sea to the black sea. so from north to south, on the, on the eastern side and what he means by resetting defense, if kind of waking up that sleeping giant that you were talking about. so, so far what we've seen is the thought of a defense by president, though, you knew the nato was there, nato troops were there, but he didn't really see them. what we're moving to now is something called more
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defense by denial or like defense deterrents. the actual defense making clear that nature will not seed one inch that the phrase you might have heard of its territory . i saw an ad regardless of laterally. what was shifted a jumping on a yeah, you know about the black. see the problem being that the nater didn't have the nato, our black, his tragic g. and we've been arguing for the necessity for the last 10 years. at least even having 3 or are literal states as the nato members and the even while ear washer and bigger military are present, started to be the baltic steel, the black sea be in the absence. and the russian federation for the last here really increased the are actually in marry time to me. we experience it with the provocations with the war of exercise this with the disturbance of navigation. so plenty of activity has been happening there to many countries of the region,
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especially romania, been on it really saying that we need greater presence of nature here. the same georgia and ukraine was insisting nato finally to decide if the black sea part of may talk or just the neighboring territory. and it seems to me that with these posture of the, for additional battle grew ne, to finally made a decision that they would like to present their, that jerky alone will not be able to are from the russian federation. otherwise, you understand perfectly georgia left without navy after 2008 to of war with the russian federation. bulgarian navy is very, very weak and remain. it is not bad, but still quite a weak comparing to what russians had to ask for. now when we have additional courses and a barrier additional responsibility for such countries as france, for example, who's moving to their aircrafts to a romania? that would mean that finally on nato countries understand the importance of the maritime domain, not less than the b. r. use term flan added the land of border with the russian or
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issue just to pick up on that point. well, me tool never use the phrase red line. there is a red line of thrushes go too far, then they will respond. what they don't want to tell the russians is weird. that red line is because there's a concern that vladimir putin will push as close as he possibly can to that and try to provoke some sort of reaction. he doesn't want to get involved in a fight with me to either. so he's got to guess we have that red light is so that puts him slightly ease, clearly if it feel at ease rather clearly if he attacks a nato state, if, if, if military forces cross a line into a baltic state, that triggers article 5. and it's, it, it's a red line, nato has to respond. but what about something more of a gray area? what about a cyber attack, but then the will, could be a response. and that, that's a way of engaging the russians if the attack through cyber capabilities and they're already testing in the united states. we had that from, from jake sullivan at the national security advisor earlier this week done at the white house. i was there when he said,
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add that they are already seeing those tests being made. they're looking for weaknesses. and he said, absolutely. they've said for a number of years that a cyber attack on one could provoke a response from every one. if there was an attack on an e to country, it's degrees if it's just a couple of shorts being fired across the border. if it's a more to run going across the border. will that then bring all. busy of nato against russia unlikely because they don't want to escalate this. as i see it's kind of contained at the moment within the ukrainian borders. and it's about more than just the military harbor on the ground. nato's also about a set of values i want. i want to bring in a comment from catherine, right. she's a senior lecturer in the international politics at new castle university. what we should be looking for is an ac up hold, and shirley re a fan, the values underpinning me alliance including human rights, the rulers, little of democracy and individual liberty. and that's because this is a rule for by peace and not just intended territory. again,
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the names hands of valleys and is that attack on west and valleys which nato should be responding to a and defending we have a comment from pillow wise and you to that says, what does putin really want? and ukraine, al, he, he really wants to go after those values right after an alliance a western alliance. he wants to see the western, the lines natal, the european union, disjointed, not together. and joe biden, to a large degree when he came into office, said that he wanted to re unite international licenses that had been disrupted by the previous president until degree. he's done that and you can see that in the way that there has been a united response along the way in that sanctions have been imposed almost in unison. because he understood the idea that everyone had to be comfortable with the sanctions. and they all had to go at the same time so that there was no like we actually have a president bind on that right now. and we, by the, by prune was banking on late, obeys,
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split my early conversation with the new december and early january was clear to me . he didn't think we could sustain this cohesion. nato has never, never been more united than it is to day prudent is getting exactly the opposite, what he intended to have as a consequence of going into ukraine. so, ragna, does it seem like putin has actually made nato closer and stronger than it was before in a way? definitely. i think lots of unintended consequences happened in the west, but that didn't foresee it. it's the unity of nato. it thinks that happened within the european union that were unimaginable just 6 weeks ago. also the direct shift and german security policy that i mentioned. i want to say one word about motivation. so, i mean, in the end we, we don't know what seems to be to correct some of the what he thinks,
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mistakes that have been been made after the end of the cold war. and that he kind of wants to re unite soviet state, referring to ukraine, referring to bit a ruth, but off to georgia, mold and, and others. and this is why this is not only about ukraine, but this is really about defending the west and defending western values. throwing as we all looked, brussel said, i wonder what the international community can do. i want to hear from a voice in ukraine about what they believe the world could do to help. this is demetrius sugar. he's a european program director at the international renaissance foundation. and ukraine the world can help to stop his blood. the russian war in ukraine by 2 ways. first way is to help the military to crush and the russian military force here by providing ukraine with modern weapons. second way is to crash russian economy by sweeping really devastating sanctions. and without this,
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it is difficult to speak about finding any sustainable deployment solution because russian demands are not for compromise, but for a surrender of ukraine. and the demand for trinity basically means demand for isolating ukraine to to be less without allies. so it's unacceptable. honda, how does this war end? oh, we will, we, and we survive that for sure. it you need to listen ukrainian and some to understand what is in the dna and definitely 2 words, a very important for the ukranian identity, that is freedom and dignity. and that was very difficult to understand to mr. poochie and i, because honestly like you asked me to put in want, i would say that there was, we really things to humiliate nato. we definitely see it from his statements are to restore the soviet union, but in some crazy meeks of soviet union and russian empire. and the 3rd one is just
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to you on how to said in the polite words, but to, to crash ukrainian identity and serenity. because that's been really crazy for him . how racist is statements about ukraine ukrainian state will always be. so why do you unite these crazy paranoia dull wishes of mister bush and you understand that for ukraine will be important? not only our military supports and economic sanctions that withdraw perfectly describe, but also one very important thing for the western countries to believe in ukrainian ah, the stage is set and it's time for a different approach. one that is going to challenge the way you think was wor, inevitable. i just want to started to please know that they're not doing the right thing. let's leave simplicity to the headlines. join me as i take on the la, dismantled misconceptions and debate the contradiction. do we have a real democracy here in the united states? it's not a political 40, that's
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a radical insurgency are mark lamond hill and it's time to get up front right here on out 0. the you is always of interest, the people all around the world. this has been going on for a number with the christie price, who reported quoted for that perspective. we try to play in pure global audience, why it's important, how that could impact their life at the height of the storm. water would through high, would it be them above by hey, this is an important part of the world. people pay attention to what we're going here to do is very good that bringing the news to the world from here. does the mind play tricks at them? car is always just park right there. or are they really out there? and you pass them by like they pull up a most magazine or act like they're not in the car to make it takes the f. b, only to court, to find out approximately 33120 pages of records did the process mobilize is how community, as long as people are free to talk,
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then there is no check against the citizens. the feeling of being watched on al jazeera, examining the headline. what is the situation there right now? it's worse than any kind of night that you could have as a free, unflinching journalism. what is it telling us about india? it's telling us that we're going down a very, maybe in this sharing personal stories with a global audience. here i am meeting with people sharing the same struggle share and same stories. explore an abundance of world trav programming on al jazeera. oh, hello, i'm marianna mozy in london with a quick look at the main stories now. the leaders of nato, the european union, and the group of 7 nations have been meeting in brussels. they condemned russia's actions in ukraine. 30 nato allies say it's the gravest threat to your land.

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