all the resistance will die down, it has not happens. and so it shows that they don't understand their own people. and they don't know how to, in this present conflict. in his speech on sunday, military leader may not lang vowed to annihilate those fighting to overthrow military rule. many political analysts say they fear the crisis and violence in miano is likely to continue florence louis al jazeera. ah, and has him secret in dollars get around up now the top stories ukraine is accused russia of trying to split the country to create specific areas controlled by moscow . the head of military intelligence says they'll be guerrilla warfare soon in our regents occupied by russian forces. it follow suggestions by a local leader in the separatist control region of mechanics that a referendum on join. russia could be held. russian forces of use tear gas to

disperse protesters in the southern city of harrison protesters were chanting. ang, walking towards them. her son was the 1st big urban centre to fall to russian forces. within the 1st week of invasion, ukraine's president wants his western allies to supply him with more weapons in his latest statement. one of demons, zalinski, accused the west being intimidated by threats from moscow. anger is growing on the french island of corsica. after the recent death of a nationalist in hospital protesters set fires near police barricades. us secretary of state antony blinking is in the middle east where he's just met with palestinian president of the best. the 2 are trying to rebuild ties off to relations south during donald trump presidency early a blink and met israel's leaders. both sides say that committed to preventing iran from getting nuclear weapons, but disagree over the 2015 nuclear deal on iran with

a nuclear weapon or the capacity of bruce. one short notice would become even more aggressive and would believe it could act with a false sense of impunity. the united states believes that return to full implementation of the joint comprehensive plan of action is the best way to put around the nuclear program. back in the box that it was in, but has escaped from since the united states withdrew from that agreement. but whether there's a j, c, p o or not. our commitment to the core principle of iran never acquiring a nuclear weapon is unwavering. and one way or another, we will continue to coordinate closely with our israeli partners on the way for pakistan. prime minister m r. harness been speaking a huge rally in islamabad as he faces the fight of his political life con, expected to face a no confidence vogue. those, all the headlines in such stories next talk to al jazeera, we do believe that the threat of an invasion of ukraine is currently the biggest

threat to international peace and security. we listen, we are focusing so much on the human tearing crisis that we forget the long term development. we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matters on our the war new crate is shape, new, global order, the fighting, escalate, global power that sets the considering that future options. so what will the foundations of this new order be? and will western values will prevail, assistance i story. ah, a very welcome to the program. i'm nick clock. the new war in europe has been described as a turning point in human history, comparable to the attacks of 911 or indeed the fall of the berlin wall. it's been

more than a month since russia invaded ukraine, causing death and destruction across much of the country, the invasion, and the political disputes around it disrupting the global order, which have been in place since the end of the cold war. the conflict is also defining how democracies will confront future threats and conflicts. western powers view, the invasion, not just as an assault and ukraine, sovereignty barton the words of the u. k. foreign secretary is trust and assault on the foundations and rules by which societies coexist. while the united states and its allies want to bar russia from one of the world's most important economic blocks, the g 20 it's members represent 85 percent of global output, 75 percent of international trade. and 2 thirds of the world's population. china says the g 20 is a form to discuss economic issues and is rejecting suggestions at moscow could be bod, because of its invasion of ukraine or causes a magic. i'm in been. i made

a tiny, spoke at the jo. how for him on saturday and in his remarks, he addressed the need to find peaceful solutions to global conflicts yourself and i'm not at a loss on pretty master had to sit, is sorrowful to see contraction and the political and diplomatic means in favor of military expansion. and solutions the militarization of solutions has been growing for the last 4 decades until it reached one of the most challenging piece and the ukranian war. from here, i emphasized the position of the state of the non see ation of the violent, intimidating civilian and assaulting sovereignty and all other extra may shoot a violation of human values in international law. we stand in solidarity with millions of innocent people and refugees who's going to victim lives under more geo political calculations as vagina well, it could stand when further influence in economic dominance, while the west maintains its pressure on russia for now of aging seems to be backing diplomatic efforts, chinese foreign ministry says ukraine as ask for help in finding

a peaceful solution. meanwhile, beijing's economy is being hurt by rising commodity prices as a result of the war. ah, or let's bring in our guess in new haven in connecticut, we have news, i'm sorry, who's a visiting professor at yale university and also oh glen diesel, who is professor of international relations at the university of south eastern norway and, and not him in the u. k, steve site, who's director of the china institute at university of london, a gentleman of war. welcome to wall and it's the saying i'd like to start with you at we look back that we at the years leading to the 1st world war. ready and wonder how it's possible that they didn't know the direction in which they were heading. is that how history do you think will view this moment in time? as this earthquake rumbles under the current world order? i think we have better recognition or the importance of the russian imation for

ukraine is one of those events in history which is going to leave a major mock. i think we're looking at a full of more. ready ready in b bush kind of moment here, and i think this recognition and glen this and it, do you think it's now inevitable that the international order will reposition itself? i think most definitely just international order, but in europe as well. keep in mind that for the past 3 years, we kind of tried to figure out what to do with europe because we never really eliminate the binding lines in europe. but now these will be re militarized during the cold war, and economies between europe and russia also need to couple, i think also globalization. that's what norman officially over, i think, especially some of it's because of the same stuff against russia as well. i mean, mouth through the west series,

the monday from the russian central bank is out there doing similar to fixing their money from the iran. and so i think that the world is becoming much more skeptical of the dollar in the euro. so i think of course, they no longer want to trade in dollars or your own may see that the rest of the world, that kind of responding to this, indians are now wanting to buy energy and rubies on these are considered to sell their energy in the chinese also, they want also instead of sanctioning russia, we see countries like china stating that they're willing to work out, establish some kind of a parallel economic financial infrastructure that's not only able to function. so i think this is a huge shift. and international system also displays how the west or nato and the rest of the world are necessarily on the same page. all right, we'll get into the why is wherefores rule of that in just beneath our festival news, i'm sorry. do you think we were inexorably leading to this moment?

we had a series events going back to the twin towers and 911 to the financial meltdown in 2008 to breakfast, to trump. and now this, do you think it's been a gradual progression that that's been building up to this moment? the brother progressions are, is, depends on the focus guilt. i think that this is, there is of this focus given and other than that, there is another focus, the growth of china and the bill to the pacific. and there is so what i notice in today's, the news on today's analysis is that people who are re millison from the cold war are reviving the, the tensions and the hectic, most of the years of the cold war and bringing russia as me international relations . whereas if we look at so from the a broader picture, the, the shift is definitely towards the pacific. the shift is towards her,

a competition between a west led by the us and, and china and its allies. so i see here russia more as a satellite. notice a small satellite was an important center of more of the satellite of china than really the main player under amazed at how many analyses are focusing on china and russia as if the main topic is, is, are russia. so, and, and i think that's the, and the 2nd point i want to make is that if we keep focus, when we keep focusing our attention in international notions true are relations among states. we forget that some people are paying the price and it's individuals, it's communities that are really, really being the high price of this shifting power. so it's the, the ukrainians themselves. but it's the people in around the world who are hulu

with the energy prices going up with a rita go in a week, prices going up. and this is provoking a lot of concern among a lot of people in not only about you green, but about the survival of individuals on top of the refugee process. so we need to bring our attention not only to focus our attention, not only on state to state relations, but also the impact of these on really people really is that you may know individuals in a sense of rising commodity prices and so 40 rising commodity prices the, the refugee crisis, the tremendous refugee versus the me. grants are live in today, but that the syrians live, but the emmys are still going through on the i forgot you guys went through and are still going through. so there are tremendous refugee crisis around the world on top

of the commodity prices much, much at the gym, chancellor alex shields, he said they were at a turning point and a could lead in any different direction. steve sang at which their party foresee, had gained on. do you agree with the view that china could be the big strategic winner out of all of this? i don't know where the china is going to the big strategic when the out of this but china, is it really big player in the picture? or at the moment, slightly our focus. but it is going to be, becomes the focus of attentioned as the war in ukraine, settled down at the moment with the war unfolding and the circuit future uncertain dates. a lot of thinking about the end game being focused on what will happen this ukraine and russia. but as the war and trenches is south and direct zone,

there will be much more attention being said to a wider contextualize idea of an en game, which is what to. so call the west, want to see the world war forward. a very important parallel between russia and. ready craned putins view of ukraine in terms of history and china and taiwan. and she brings equally delusional view of taiwan. is that we knew perhaps 1050 years down the line trying that will invade taiwan. what will the west do? i think there is going to be much more to focus in the next few years moving forward . and when that stay in focus, the whole engagement of the well order will change. i don't think we're going to see a return to the old cold war, but we are going to see

a new kind, a new version of the pie for cation of the world. the chinese government doesn't actually want that. and that's why i started off by saying, i'm not really sure the chinese and being the winner, right? so when you say that the nations will be looking ahead to this, what you say is it an inevitable invasion of taiwan by china? they will prepare for that moment by continuing this decoupling of the west from china. is that what you mean? yes, in general terms, because at the moment the west, me hear the west me, it's not just europe and north america. democracy. what generally can sanction russia in the way that we have tons at a cost that is significant, but tolerable to just in the same situation between taiwan and china. we cannot afford to do what we are doing through russia to china. our

economy will suffer much too much damage, so they will be we calibrating, well, what would be a safe level of economic engagement with china. and the chinese government has long had a policy of coupling from the west. it goes all the way back to 2013 when she can be issued document number 9, which was essentially an internal document declaring how china should be very selectively decoupling from the wes. ok. so glen, the sunny true, isn't it? the well could not apply sanctions on china and the way that it has with russia because it relies its trade from too much just to keep the world turning that's in place. so obviously complete the coupling from china was it possible is simply the global economy. however, that being said, you do have that issue certain degrees, for example. the question is only the coupling is having

a favorable symmetry. that means that from the us perspective, they would like to see themselves on the be less on china. china should be more dependent on the west, so in other words, the skewed symmetry of dependence. but you can do this to certain degrees and again, from the united states perspective for many years now, they've been attempting to instill some discipline to make, to prevent the from buying russian energy by a chinese technologies and then only link themselves to the united states. and obviously it's possible to some extent, and i think there's also why the us is trying to go off to china to some extent, claiming that there's supporting russia and invasion of ukraine in order because europeans completed jumps on the u. s. bandwagon in terms of putting this, our sanctions against russia to the extent that it's creating for european

economist. however, by attempting to also blame the chinese. i think the us also would like to use the crisis as a way of having their p and also the couple a little bit from, from the, from the chinese. again, this is one of the key problems of united states have the most security dependence on the u. s. but they had a very hard time to convert that security to dependent economic loyalty. but now with this heightened security threats, us obviously has more, more influence over there. so they will then they exploit this crisis to an extent they can get the fumes from up on the cut off from the russians, but obviously also the chinese, but not complete, doubtlessly comes soon as possible. sure. and these say so we say that this is the end of globalization that the world will, will now divide into separate, potentially hostile camps, regardless of what happens in ukraine. on

yes and no, because i would like to call our attention to the facts that's many of the countries either didn't vote or abstain in the general assembly on the resolution right down to the image. right. and they were, they really have a significant proportion of the world population right, or significance from a part of the world population. but it was also a significant number of countries from the african continent and from major. and those countries that somehow coincidentally, were part of 1956 and herb unbundled so these countries are saying, look, these are 2 big dogs fighting and what is in it for us in this fight. so this is not our fight. we have other issues. we have other demands and so this is going to redefine are worth politics. and these countries will have somehow to true sides or

even urine, even during the cold war and the height of the 3rd world and the non aligned movement. so many of those countries where side in slightly read once an audio, but there was they had the mother argument, they were saying we our, our, our fight is another one. and our issues are different. and i think that these same countries are, seems and think when there are an thinking, the something we're looking at this fight between these 2 big dogs are under us leadership and currently under russian leadership. but it's russia, china to challenging bowers challenges, stethoscope of united states. so this is what most of the world is. see, i think in is a is, is it necessarily a bad thing that the well daughter is reshaped? not a bad thing,

but there were good things in that poem called or alter the norms under values imposed by to with good ranks of democracy and the human rights and the protection of minorities. all of these things are very important, very valuable. and people from the social form in photo allegra that were protesting against barrels. there were the wants of globalization, but to know what is ation of moms and these values are protective minorities on the human rights of democracy in advance of the whole process. and the trial use and speech and freedom of faith. so those were very positive values that a lot of people will miss if they have to choose a cancel the after 2 sides and there is a side that is more authoritarian and more i'm willing to be observed in human rights and the rights of minority. so that is

a negative point in this change that will happen united to me or so glen, is it possible that some good will come out of this? is that there's an opportunity in fact here to, to create a more united, more interconnected and, and perhaps more sustainable trading world. i think so, because, well, we have to see that this is kind of transition from unit color all to color world. so after the, at the article where there was only one central power, which was united states and then organized around the collect at west. now the west has been in relative decline for, for the last 30 years in terms of other centers of power. and coming up with the u . s. has never really been able to let go. it's key security strategy, which is a global hedge of money. so the question was always the hardwood molded, our system come into play? would it be negotiated, settlement, or would it be through conflict or war?

and this is also the, the cards in ukraine of the question of law. how do we transition? would we find a way to live on the same continent that the russians and it turned out no, and i think the same applies to the world, but i think i think some positive can possibly come out of this because i don't see the world switching. the camps, i think it, we the decline of the us and i think there's more this becomes less 0 sum game perhaps around the world. and that's we see a lot all conflicting camps and getting this by all this, talk about russia being isolated in the world throughout this pretty much that's all the nathan countries, both japan, australia sanctions on russia. so we see the chinese indians, the rest of the world. they don't really know. obviously they don't support the russian invasion, illegal war and violation of international side. but also they don't,

they don't see this large need to russia approx your in your brain so. so they don't want to pick any size. and obviously the most of the world that i would assume most of don't really see any moral authority on the side, on nato, after all of our wars through this decades with hundreds of thousands of. so i think in the world is to organize more into the different polls and power once this and this could have been official impact on this. there are some gain was right. let me put the question to say, did you think they could be a positive result? of all this misery in principle could always be, but in reality, i think the world has become a much more dangerous place and the direction of travel that the world was warned has been changed. i think it's easy to simply look at the post

cold war era, say tom, where he was about americans dominance. i think we should really see it in a much wider context. it was also in iraq. when d, european union was changing awful, at least until now, changing the way how we look at our child and our relationship with other nations. the idea that europe a war like what we are seeing in ukraine today could not happened. it was wonderful while it last, it was an idea that until the nations was heavy effect beyond europe to spread the idea that the world needs to move orange and cannot stay in the mindset of the 19th or the 20th century. not in the

end. it is more idealistic going be your nephew, resumed aspirations of the european union has been burst the bubble by the rushing elation. and this i think has changed the world and we are drifting into a pipe. okay. well, whether we like it or not, and whether the chinese like it or not, they don't, they want to have a united well, where china ultimately will become the dominant power. but that's not going to happened. right. and let me, let me go and get started, jump in because we just come towards the end of the program. i just want to bring in this one last time. i mean, i hate to end up on a on a bad note, but it stays right. isn't it because stability between great powers depends on reaching some kind of mutual agreement to maintain the status quo. and that clearly moving forwards, at least in the near, the middle term is going to be impossible with russia, isn't it?

it is going to be difficult because the, the rising power china is going to challenge more and more united states and the older established the after the younger of the cold war. so this is the moment of this shift in and of this negotiation. but still, we are not going to see immediate, a immediate clash of military might be to destroy ours. but it might eventually come a little bit later, a just one carrier to want to the last states. i think that europe, or when your period of peace, you know, after the young, the cold war, but during that period of peace, we had the war. the was in boston yard, more in kosovo. we had georgia, we had the 1st vision of ukraine and crimea. so this period was not bad,

so peaceful and gods come in europe either. so that was you on the slide cuz i wanted to. sure. alright, we'll have to leave that. thanks very much. have a gentleman for joining the day and is, i'm sorry, glen decent and steve saying, thanks very much for joining us. of this interesting discussion and thank you too for watching. you can see this program again, any time by visiting our website audio dot com. and indeed for further discussion, just go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a j inside story. the main o'clock, you tire team here in the ha. ah . join the debate there is no he tom bad, better. yeah. you know, i mean, if anyone here talks about women that i had to force was justice. this'll be

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