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well, because this is yet another non english film that's been nominated for him when it would follow in the footsteps and parasite which in 2020, if you remember sweat so many oscars and is a sign now of oscars. looking more out, we're trying to attract more of a global audio. all the glitz and glamour that will football now and canada have quantified for the world cup the 1st time in 36 years. they secured their place at a tournament with a decisive whole new win over jamaica in toronto, latino miss their 1st chance to see their spot in cat on thursday when they lost to costa rica. ah, this is al jazeera and these are the top stories now. ukrainian, preston, logan, as lensky has spoken about terms for a possible peace deal with russia, gave an interview to independent russian journalists. the kremlin has warned local
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media not to air, it guarantees up last we see any thoroughly security guarantees and neutrality, non nuclear status of our state. we are ready to go for it. this is the most important point. it was the main point for the russian federation as far as i can remember. and if i remember correctly, that is why we started the war. we will not sit down behind the table if we talk about some kind of demilitarization, some kind of de notifications. i simply do not get these things. yeah, i understand it's impossible to force russia completely from ukrainian territory. it would lead to a 3rd world war line. i understand it, and that is why i am talking about a compromise. go back to where it all began and then we will try to solve the dumbass issues. the complicated dumbass issue in crane is accusing roster of trying to split the country to create specific areas controlled by moscow. the head of military intelligence says they'll be guerrilla warfare soon. regions occupied by russian forces. russian and ukrainian officials will begin the fresh round of negotiations this week. they will meet in aston, eastern bull,
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i should say on tuesday. several previous attempts at negotiations between the 2 sides have failed to make progress or protest are taking place in northern israel after shooting left at least 2 people dead. several others have been injured off the gunman. open fire on the street in the city of had their north of tennessee is ready. police say the 2 gunmen were shot dead by under cover policeman who been dining at a nearby restaurant at the time of the attack. i saw as claimed responsibility tear gas has been fired at protest is on the french island of corsica, or they set fire net police barracks anger has been growing following the death of permanent nationalist yvonne colona last monday. and it's the biggest night in hollywood oscars night. the academy awards are honoring the film industry is best at this year, ceremony event held at the door to los angeles was being hosted by 3 women for the
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1st time. as other headlines, news continues. notice there are inside stores. ah to warn you. crave is shaped, your new global old is the fighting escalate, global power? it said to be considering that future options. but what will the foundations of this new order being and will western values will prevail? this is inside story. ah a very welcome to the program. i'm nick cluck. the new war in europe has been
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described the turning point in human history comparable to the attacks of 911 or indeed the fall of the berlin wall. it's been more than a month since russia invaded ukraine, causing death and destruction across much of the country, the invasion, and the political disputes around it now disrupting the global order, which have been in place since the end of the cold war. the conflict is also defining how democracies will confront future threats and conflicts. western powers view the invasion, not just as an assault in ukraine sovereignty, but in the words of the u. k. foreign secretary liz trust, an assault on the foundations and rules by which societies coexist. while united states and its allies want to buy russia from one of the world's most important economic blocks, the g 20. its members represent 85 percent of global output, 75 percent of international trade, and 2 thirds of the world's population. china says the g 20 is a form to discuss economic issues and is rejecting suggestions at moscow could be
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bod, because of its invasion of ukraine or causes a magic. i'm in been how made a tiny spoke at the jo, how for him on saturday. and in his remarks, he addressed the need to find peaceful solutions to global conflicts. yourself and, and not our lawson pretty much had to sit, is sorrowful to see contraction and the political and diplomatic means in favor of military expansion and solutions. the militarization of solutions has been growing for the last 4 decades until it reached one of the most challenging pages and the ukranian war. from here i emphasized the position of the state of the renunciation of the violent, intimidating civilians and assaulting sovereignty and all other extra make a violation of human values and international law. we stand in solidarity with millions of innocent people and refugees who's going to victim lives, unjust war, geopolitical calculations. as for china, well, it could stand when further influence in economic dominance,
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while the west maintains its pressure on russia for now of aging seems to be backing diplomatic efforts. chinese foreign ministry says ukraine has asked for help in finding a peaceful solution. meanwhile, beijing's economy has been hurt by rising commodity prices as a result of the war the or at, let's bring in our guess in new haven in connecticut. we have news, i'm sorry, who's a visiting professor at yale university and also oh glen diesel, who is professor of international relations at the university of south east in norway and, and not him in the u. k. steve site, who's director of the china institute at university of london, a gentleman of war. welcome to roland. it's the saying, i'd like to start with you at. we look back that we, at the years leading to the 1st world war and wonder how it is possible that they didn't know the direction in which they were heading. is that how history do you think will view this moment in time? as this earthquake rumbles under the current world order,
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i think we have back to recognition or the importance of the rushing imation for you grange is one of those events in history, which is going to leave a major mock. i think we're looking at a full off. ready in b bush kind of moment here, and i think this recognition and glen this and it, do you think it's now inevitable that the international order will reposition itself? i think most definitely just international order, but in europe as well. keep in mind that for the past 3 years, we kind of tried to figure out how to do with europe because we never really eliminate the binding lines in europe. but now these will be re militarized during the cold war, and the congress between europe and russia also need to couple, i think also globalization. that's what norman officially over, i think,
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especially some of it's because of the things against russia as well. i mean, now through the west, the monday from the russian central bank is out there doing similar to thing similar money from the iran. and so i think that the world is becoming much more skeptical of the dollar and the euro. so i think of course, they no longer want to trade in dollars or your own. me see the rest of the world that kind of responding to this, indians are now wanting to buy energy and rubies on these are not considering to sell their energy in the chinese also they want and also, instead of sanctioning russia, we see countries like china stating that they're willing to work now to establish some kind of a parallel economic financial infrastructure that's not only able to function. so i think this is a huge shift. international system also displays how the west or nato and the rest of the world are necessarily on the same page. all right,
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we'll get into the why is wherefores rule of that in just a moment beneath our festival news, i'm sorry. do you think we were inexorably leading to this moment? we had the series events going back to the 20911 to the financial meltdown in 2008 to breakfast, to trump. and now this, do you think it's been a gradual progression that it's been building up to this moment? the brother progressions are, is, depends on the focus guilt. i think that this is, there is of this focus given and other than that, there is another focus, the growth of china and the bill to the pacific. and there is so what i notice in today's news, and today's analysis is that people who are reminiscent from the cold war are reviving the, the tensions and the hectic, most of the years of the cold war and bringing russia as me international relations
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. whereas if we look at so from the a broader picture, the, the shift is definitely towards the pacific. the shift is towards the, a competition between a west led by the us and, and china and its allies. so i see here russia more as a satellite. notice a small, subtle, i was an important center of more of the satellite of china than really the main player under amazed at how many analyses are focusing on china and russia as if the main topic is, is, are russia. so, and, and i think that the, and the 2nd point i want to make is that if we keep focus, when we keep focusing our attention in international notions true are relations among states. we forget that some people are paying the price and it's individuals, it's communities that are really,
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really being the high price of this shifting power. so it's the, the ukrainians themselves. but it's the people in around the world war hulu, with the energy prices going up with what we are going we price is going up. and this is provoking a lot of concern among a lot of people in not only about you green, but about the survival of individuals on top of the refugee process. so we need to bring our attention not only to focus our attention, not only on state to state relations, but also the impact of these on really people really is a med individuals in the sense of it, right and commodity prices and so 40 rising commodity prices the, the refugee crisis, the tremendous refugee versus the me. grants are live in today, but that the syrians live, but the urine,
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these are still going through on the forgot your guns, went through and are still going through it. so there are tremendous refugee crisis around the world on top of the commodity prices much, much at the german chancellor schultz. he said they were at a turning point at a could lead in any different direction. steve, i wish their path. do you foresee it gained angie? do we agree with the view that china could be the big strategic winter out of all of this? i don't know where the china is going to the big strategic when the out of this. but china, is it really big player in the picture? or at the moment, slay the focus, but it is going to be, becomes the focus of attentioned as the war in ukraine. settled down at the moment with the war unfolding and distorted future uncertain day. so a lot of thinking about the end game being focused on what will happen, lisa,
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ukraine, and russia. but as the war and trenches is south and drax own, there will be much more attention being said to a wider contextualize idea of an end game, which is, what do so call the west, want to see the world war forward? a very important parallel between russia and ukraine and putins view of ukraine in terms of history and china and taiwan. and she brings equal to delusional view of taiwan, is that we knew perhaps 1050 years down the line trying that will invade taiwan. what will the west do? i think there is going to be much more to focus in the next few years moving forward. and when that stay in focus, the whole engagement of the well order will change. i don't
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think we're going to see a return to the old cold war, but we are going to see a new kind, a new version of the pie for cation of the world. the chinese government doesn't actually want that. and that's why i started off by saying, i'm not really sure the chinese and the being the winner, right? so when you say that the nations will be looking ahead to this, what you say is inevitable. invasion of taiwan by china. they will prepare for that moment by continuing this decoupling of the west from china. is that what you mean? yes, in general terms, because at the moment the west me here, the west me is not just europe and north america. democracy. what generally can sanction russia in the way that we have stunned at a cost that is significant but tolerable to just in the same situation
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between taiwan and china. we cannot afford to do what we are doing through russia to china. our economy will suffer much too much damage, so they will be recalibrating. well, what would be a safe level of economic engagement with china? and the chinese government has long had a policy of coupling from the west. it goes all the way back to 2013. when she can be issued document number 9, which was essentially an internal document, declaring how china should be very selectively decoupling from the wes ok. glen the sunny true, isn't it? the well could not apply sanctions on china and the way that it has with russia because it relies in its trade from too much just to keep the world turning that's in place. so obviously i've got a complete the coupling from china was it possible is simply the,
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the global economy. however, that being said, you do have a certain degrees, for example. the question is not only the coupling is having a favorable symmetry. that means that from the us perspective, they would like to see themselves on the or be less on china. china should be more dependent on the west. so in other words, the skewed symmetry of dependence. you can do this to a certain degree. and again, from the united states perspective, for many years now, they've been attempting to instill some discipline to make, to prevent the pm's from buying russian energy and bio chinese technologies. and then only link themselves to the united states. and obviously it's possible to some extent, and i think there's also why the us now we're trying to go to china to some extent that claiming that there's supporting russia and invasion of ukraine in order because europeans complete the jumps on the u. s. bandwagon in terms of putting
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these are sanctions against russia to the extent that it's creating for european economist. however, by attempting to also blame the chinese, i think the us would like to use this crisis as a way of having their p and also the couple a little bit from, from the, from the chinese. again, this is one of the key problems of united states have the most security dependence on the u. s, but they've had a very hard time to convert to security independent economic loyalty. but now with this heightened security threats, us obviously has more, more influence over there. so they will then they exploit this crisis to so the extent that they can get their appeals from up on the cut off from the russians, but obviously also the chinese, but not complete doubtlessly soon as possible. sure. and these, so we say that this is the end of globalization that the world will,
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will now divide into separate, potentially hostile camps regardless of what happens in ukraine. oh yes and no, because i really like to call our attention to the fact that many of the countries either didn't vote or abstain in the general assembly or the resolution, right? done, and english. right. and they were, they really have a significant proportion of the world population, right? well, since you can still part of the world population, but it was also a significant number of countries from you african continent and from asia. and those countries that somehow coincidentally, were part of 1956 on derm unbundled so these countries are saying, look, these are 2 big dogs fighting and what is in it for us in this fight. so this is
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not our fight. we have other issues. we have other demands and so decent this is going to redefine are worth politics. and these countries will have somehow to true sides or even urine, even during the cold war and the height of the 3rd word and the non aligned movement. so many of those countries where side in slightly re, once an order, but there was they had the mother argument there were saying we our, our, our fight is another one. and our issues are different. and i think that these same countries are, seems and think when there are, or i'm thinking the st in, we're looking at this fight between these 2 big dogs under who was leadership and currently under russian leadership body. sir, russia, china, 2 challenges, bowers challenges, status of united states. so this is what most of the world to see. i think in is
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a is, is it necessarily a bad thing that the well daughter is reshaped? not a bad thing, but there were good things in that postpone called or alter the norms under values imposed by to with good ranks of democracy and human rights and the protection of minorities. all of these things are very important, very valuable. and people from the social form in photo allegra that were protesting against that was they were, they wanted globalization, but to know what is ation of moms and these values are protected minorities on the human rights of democracy in advance of them all classes and the try use and speech and freedom of faith. so those were very positive values that a lot of people will miss if they have to choose a cancel the after 2 sides and there is
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a side that is more authoritarian and more i'm willing to be observed in human rights and the rights of minority. so that is a negative point in this change that will happen united to leverage. so glen, is it possible that some good will come out of this? is that there's an opportunity in fact here to, to create a more united, more interconnected and, and perhaps more sustainable trading world. i think so, because, well, we have to see that this is kind of transition from unipolar to all to color world . so after the, at the article where there was only one central power, which was united states and then organized around the collect at west. now the west has been in relative decline for, for the last 30 years in terms of other centers of power. and coming up with the u . s. as never really been able to let go. it's key security strategy, which is a global hedge of money. so the question, i was always the hardwood molded,
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our system come into play. would it be negotiated, settlement, or would it be through conflict or war? and this is also the, the cards in ukraine of the question of law. how do we transition? would we find a way to live on the same continent that the russians and it turned out no, and i think the same applies to the world, but i think i think some positive can possibly come out of this because i don't see the world switching. the camps, i think it, we the decline of the us and i think there's more this becomes less 0 sum game perhaps around the world. and that's we see a lot all conflicting camps and getting this by all this, talk about russia being isolated in the world throughout this pretty much that's all the nathan countries, both japan, australia sanctions on russia. so we see the chinese indians,
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the rest of the world. they don't really know. obviously they don't support the russian invasion, illegal war and violation of international side. and also they don't, they don't see this large need to russia approx your in your brain so, so they don't want to pick any size. and obviously the most of the world that i would assume most of don't really see any moral authority on the side, on nato, after all of our wards, through this decades with hundreds of thousands of so i think in the world is to organize more into the different polls and power and once this and this could have been official impact on this, there are some gain was right. let me put the question to say, did you think they could be a positive result of all this misery? in principle there always be. but in reality, i think the world has become a much more dangerous place and the direction of travel that the world was
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warned has been changed. i think it's easy to simply look at the polls. cold war era, said tom, where he was about american stormy. i think we should really see it in a much wider context. it was also in iraq when the european union was changing awful, at least, and to now changing the way how we look at our child and our relationship with other nations. the idea that europe a war like what we are seeing in ukraine today, could not happened. it was wonderful while it last, it was an idea that until the nations was heavy effect beyond europe to spread the idea that the world needs to move on and
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cannot stay in the mindset of the 19th or the 20th century. not in the end it's, it's more idealistic going be your nationalism aspirations of the european union has been burst a bubble by the rushing elation. and this i think has changed the world. and we are drifting into a bifurcated, well, whether we like it or not. and whether the chinese like it or not, they don't, they want to have a united well, where china ultimately will becomes the dominant power. but that's not going to happened. right. and let me, let me go and get started. jump in because we're just going towards the end of the program. i just want to bring in this one last time. i mean, i hate to end up on a bad note, but it seems right now because the ability between great powers depends on reaching
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some kind of mutual agreement to maintain the status quo. and that clearly moving forwards, at least in the near middle term, is going to be impossible with russia, isn't it? it is going to be difficult because the, the rise in power china is going to challenge more and more united states and the, all the established after the young of the cold war. so this is the moment of this shift in and of this negotiation. but we are not going to see immediate, a immediate clash of military might between these 2 hours. but it might eventually come a little bit later, a just one carrier towards the last statement. so i think that europe went through a period of pisa after the young of the cold war, but during that period of peace, we had the war. the was in boston yard,
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more in kosovo. we had georgia, we had posted vision of ukraine and crimea, so despaired was not bad. so peaceful and dot com in europe either. so that was you on the slide cuz i wanted to. sure. alright, we'll have to leave that. thanks very much. have a gentleman for joining us today, and it's, i'm sorry, glen decent. and steve saying, thanks very much for joining us. of this interesting discussion and thank you to fortune. you can see this program again any time by visiting our website out there, dot com. and in date for further discussion, just go to our facebook page. that is facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a j insights during the main o'clock. retired team here into the bible. ah,
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