one cannot help, but be in all of those who find strength to keep fighting for unimaginable darkness . people in florida, we're going to have a day light. the shoe was over of finding lights, and the producers had promised with 3 funny women moving things along. it was a night, hollywood shines once more and where drama was in spades. heidi jo, castro, al jazeera los angeles. ah oh, let's take you through some of these headlines here. now. president a lot of designs. he says he's willing to discuss ukraine's neutral status with moscow as part of an immediate p. steel, ukrainian, and russian negotiators will sit down for talks. in the stumble on tuesday, the mayor of the ukrainian port city of mario poll says cities on the verge of a humanitarian catastrophe is calling for a complete evacuation about a 160000 civilians remain trapped. the un secretary general has

called for an immediate cease fire in ukraine. the solution to this humanitarian thrasher, thee is not humanitarian. it is political. i am therefore appealing for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire to allow for progress scenes, serious political negotiations. aiming at reaching get peace agreement based on the principles of united nations charter. a cessation of hostilities will allow his central humanitarian aid to be delivered and enable civilians to move on safely. in avenues, israel's foreign master says, improving ties with arab nations will help counter threats from iran. he was speaking alongside the foreign ministers of 4 arab countries in the u. s. at a summit in the gavin southern israel. what we're doing here is making history, building a new original architecture based on progress technology,

religious tolerance, security, and intelligence. paul corporation. this new architecture, the shirt capabilities we are building, intimidates, and deters our common enemies 1st and foremost, iran and its proxies. they certainly have something to fear. what will stop them is not hesitation or being conciliatory, but rather the termination and strength, opposition groups and focused on i've called them protest is to come out and demand the resignation of prime minister in wrong con, emotion of no confidence in. com has been presented to parliament. it kicks off a series of debates and the vote on the prime minister future sunday. huge crowds came out in the capital to support him. ron, cause the headline news continues off the inside story. ah,

ah ah, colon has received more refugees from ukraine than any other country. moscow has wanted government to say out of the war, that is the risk of a spillover. and if so, what will be the fall out? this is inside stored. ah, the hello, welcome to the program. i'm hasn't seek rushes. the invasion of ukraine has had a direct impact on neighboring countries, most of whom are members of nato. poland has become vital in the western effort to defend ukraine with some of the fighting getting close to its border. last week,

russian forces targeted the western ukrainian city of the very near the polish border. just as the u. s. president was visiting poland and according to ukraine's military, 3 weeks after the war began, a russian drunk flew over poland before entering ukrainian s space where it was shot down situation as force nato to decide on how to respond to incidents like this inside the borders of its members states, us president joe biden visited ukrainian refugees and they took troops in the polish capital war. so on saturday, during a speech to a large crowd, he warned russia against violating nato territory. don't even think about, we're not one single inch of nato territory. we have sacred obligation we haven't said your application abroad applies to defend each and every age. no territory. a poland has had an important role since the conflict began last month.

they went from rejecting migrants in the middle east to opening its stores to those from ukraine. hosting more than 2000000 people, the largest group of ukrainian refugees in europe, poland, host, nato, battle groups to deter russia and reinforce other members when needed. and along with romania, it's also a gateway for nato arm supplies heading to ukraine. hundreds of thing, missiles, javelin, anti tank weapons, and other munitions had passed through his borders. ah, let's bring in august now talk more about this in warsaw. ray wood chick. he is a senior fellow at the center for european policy analysis and a former military attack at the u. s. embassy in warsaw in brussels. robert shell, a senior fellow at the casino, pulaski foundation in poland, and a former polish diplomat and nato official. and joining us from oxford in england,

samuel romney an associate fellow at the royal united services institute. good to have your witness. so right. watching, if i could start with you since you are in war, so what, what, what's the mood in the country right now? what would be the significant roles that poland now finds itself in here? well, to start off with general, the bullish population has done a remarkable job in the government, in the hosting literally now millions. so we're seeing more people migrating or, or refugees all in all. and then we've seen refugee flows in this short span of time since world war 2. i think it's an important point. i, i, you mentioned a migrant on the bell rouge ordered. this is all part of the full operation that initiated last summer, that hybrid warfare attack against the bully order. those were migrants being used

as against a stabilizing the border. and then also i military force are so that they can concentrate focus on their primary overall. generally the bulls are very, very ukrainian brothers, a see this existential prices for them, for ukraine, as an existential crisis. or, oh, should they lose? and rochelle, how do you see poland role in all of this, particularly when you remember that before this conflict started, poland has had the reputation of being kind of the bad boys of europe up to then with lot of criticism about their moves, the inside poem that was seen as trampling on the judiciary on independent media and, and sliding, backsliding over democratic norms. and yet now it is a very important player in all of this. well, i mean, you know,

of course nobody's perfect about various issues which, which i'm, frankly, in the us. you mentioned there were dispute that the part of the government has had for instance, where, you know, institutions but, you know, and poland has a phrase actually spending more time. also getting concerned that, you know, polish political scene is quite polarized. but having said of it, there is a very strong degree of unity on this issue is really bi partisan. there's not that much difference. frankly, there's debate. no, it's, it's about like the tactics is about the, the details of response. but, you know, college knows the french and poland has been among those countries who have been providing a very realistic analysis of the situation. it has not always been heard sufficiently, you know, strongly, so to speak,

in other international institutions. so, but it's not about being vindicated. vindicated by the analysis. the key issues like you mentioned, at the beginning of policy is actually key country in terms of the handling of the, of the refugee, which is, you know, crisis which i think, you know, cause have pretty rush to hell the gradients. and so that's one miscalculation of protein, but also on the need is the from plant state. and it's not only hosting you know, allied troops now it's about $10000.00 other troops, predominately american, but not only and providing of course, the vital hop facility for, for the essential defense assistance, the crate. but actually, poland is also doing a lot when it comes to, you know, increasing for example, defense expenditure, you know, and i think the necessary legislation. so in other words, is, you know,

taking not only this crisis very seriously, but it's, it's responding. so in a way which, which frankly, you know, it would be good to be with copied by, by more countries going to be in western europe. so i think that is perhaps one of the key reasons why it president biden came straight from brussels meeting or later you and you 722, proponents not only to also but also to reach you. s troops in russia. samuel romney and if we can tell by the did the security aspect to this, and we mentioned in the top there the risk of a spillover, if this ah, escalates into something beyond ukraine's borders. if that does happen, poland is likely to be very much in the eye of that storm. well, i think that there is certainly a grave risk of an accidental le escalation that drags poland into ab, a broader sense of conflict. because even though russia claims that is pivoted is military operation towards focusing on the liberation of don barza calls it. so

moving towards eastern ukraine, we've seen a continuation of strikes in western. you gran strikes on oil depots, communications towers. as 300 deb air defense systems and factory emissions factories inside levine and even as was litski. and one of those strikes recently had between 10 kilometers the polish border. who's not conceivable. that could be an accidental strike. that brings poland into it. they've already had an errand, missiles drag that hit a turkish ship on the 1st day of the war. so that kind of accident is possible in terms of a deliberate russian attack on poland. i think that's quite remote, i think in terms of risk. the countries that are most at risk or the neutral both so we states georgia, moldova probably followed by a stony ab lithuania and deb bosnia bay because the russians are threatened there and then poland being further removed from that array will change. one thing you notice about about poland approach to all of this as well. in contrast with some of

its european and nato partners, is that they've taken much more of a hard line approach to russia than some of their allies. they've wanted more forceful sanctions. they've wanted to know more in terms of defensive assistance to, to the ukrainian forces, but they've been, they've been over ruled on that up to now, what do you make of that? well, i mean, this is our sort of bush history. there's a long, problematic history in this region and it here, colluding with the germans in world war 2. what the russians are all on for a 123 years. those think those are long memories and polls never, ever, even with the nato, russia valley act in 1097 fully bought into the idea that russia would become a democracy. and as robert pointed out, those threat assessments. busy old baltic states and romanians for exam or pushing and call the russ

a teacher to indicate a polish for focus on defense preparedness as robert wanted out, not only is 3 percent defense spending is also announced. as far as nato g. p, spending that was phone number to united states is the only other ally that will be spending more on defense on has pledge to increase their military size or partially 140000 territorial and active today to almost doubling or more. 300000 troops. totally at the end of the day that only is focused on a big modernization program that predates this latest attack altered very sank one room for 20081 of the russians embedded georgia. so the all state is very seriously and they're very disappointed all the, to your, your hands mostly

a different view. a good part if there could be said any good art is the west. europeans are waking up in the german starting up there and spending change is modernizing. they're both very and being a more willing and able facilitator of defense on nato's eastern point. so those are all the things that it's coming at a very late date and, and same thing for us as a wine and said to the ukraine. now, as far as the big initiatives are the 3 that all to really push in unfortunately not occur. one is there make 29 transfer? very disappointing. how that work out from do are you the 2nd is the no fly zone. all is a big supporter that and then also a ground on what it is considered to protect humanitarian orders like round up keeping probably more like making mention. so all those are truong initiatives. are

you brain? mama, rochelle, what do you make a, did the relationship between the you as a whole and poland right now, given that they become a kind of an indispensable partner in all of this. and with this new found favor kind of emboldened the government in warsaw now. but you know, when it never stops, so receipts are awesome issues, but i think they kind of, you know, hopefully they sort of ought to be dealt with. the important thing is, you know, is that important? there is a very, very strong support. the european union and coordinator probably, you know, gathers a higher, higher thing is when it comes to opinion polls. but is it fair to say that, you know, you are, can you situation has prominent role as well? i mean, there's been a lot of a lot, i should not just, you know, talk, it used to be the case, you know, the famous, you know, expressing concerns,

et cetera. you is really at he play when he comes to sanctions. and, you know, at the moment i would say the, you institutions have really been been quite incentive for, in terms of, you know, pushing forward. the problem is that, of course, you need all the capitals to line up. and at the moment, poland is, is very strongly, he's not alone or that you know, are going for going for where it really the credit regime, which is essentially the gas and oil experts. that is again c, holland, well has done a bit more homework. i mean, they did use the rate, is that by, you know, by the end of the c po, column would be totally independent brush because it's taken set. so actually invest in, for instance, liquefied gas and things of that nature, identity groups. so of course, some other countries in europe are slightly less prepared, but nevertheless, i think that there is a gathering of mental it's also, you know, you know,

a certain kind of political example, or we just mentioned the fact that no matter, i know it's been some critical or even some sniping remarks from, from the sidelines, but the koreans appreciate the fact that parents, they believe, actually in having, you know, 3 prime ministers from college. i can't, i mean you're traveling to here and meet with friends and ask interest, you know, the humming visit of that level to happen. so i think, you know, and it's kind of showing the way, but yes, i mean, some issues related to what you mentioned that question out there on the judicial system. they will need to be kind of, you know, discuss further. but at that moment than be important thing is that there is unity, more integrations. and then there is a determination to actually press or had any post such high on the regime in russia that he will reconsider what he's doing right now. but of course,

you know, why needs to call to ukraine. it seemed a fight and that's also something that was so very strongly being for. so yes, i mean it's, you know, the crisis brings out the best one could say in, in, in those who. ready who care about security and, and support for those victims of rish. let's pick on pick up on some of that with samuel romany and i want to ask you at some stage, when your client is no longer dominating the headlines, if there's a negotiated piece or the war becomes one of the one of attrition and just falls out of the spotlight, the, the underlying issues, the rule of law dispute with poland with the are not going to go away. are they, i mean, those issues are going to have to be addressed. it certainly may, i think that poland is certainly used in leverage this crisis to be a vanguard in terms of dealing with, with russia. and that's been

a very positive thing. i mean, poland has been able to actually steer and influence the policy in the direction of energy because it was one of the most depending countries on call me for my shop and 70 percent and day it was made early ban on that and that helped steer more european countries towards least discussing the energy embargo, we've seen poland to lead on and on a variety of other issues and be keeping you our arms transfers so that leaders to that rule of poland. there's more of a leader and outlier. it's quite interesting. i think it's something that will kind of continue to persist even after this crisis. because the rule of lies, you won't be going away. up re what's he, what he, what do you make a, that's a dynamic as a kind of a push and pull a thing going on here between poland and his dealings with other european partners . you know, i would say 2 things at this point. one is, if you try to understand the, the position of the current government,

there's 2 sides of the story to the government of poland sees on their reformation or their reforms in the court system. previously, they try to do some things with the media and so forth. in other areas, and they see that is very domain to deal with. so are you and also by extension the united states is these are things that are domestic issues that we want change or, or are or things that were not reform during the communist on. we want to reform. busy them as to i think there's 2 sides of the story. it's not all about what you read in the west. it in my view that poland is somehow an autocratic or almost autocratic state, which i think totally over blows or what the reality is on the ground. here so, so that's one. the other is the us ambassador, relatively new sound chance the mark in ski has made it clear over and over in

washington, and then here since he's arrived in though those issues are issues, he wants to work on it and deal with with the polls. nothing there is going to be no daylight in between on security defense issues in the mission and right. so those issues are not going to play a role or a primary role in any of the discussions going on with the united states. and on fact, if anything, things are speeding up on security, defense chars, weapons transferred, they're all in and transferred from poland to ukraine. rubbish out. what do you see as the main security issues for poland in this, in this going forward in terms of it's defensive readiness? should, should this conflict escalate? well, i mean, 1st of all, one needs to keep one's cool. so we know we can basically allow ourselves to be kind of intimidated by, you know, you know, relatively skilful. although by now i think, you know,

the methods are known. everybody, you know, narrative accredited because that's, that's basically want to try to do it. you know, we've seen some direct verbal. there's information of tax and polar article about a former president, a mediator. now the polls are not easily scared, so i think, you know, we, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll keep it cool. but of course, there are various issues related to the way that russia is combating, is more in ukraine, which is not really winning then ukrainian, proven to be in an open bottle, much more successful in the russian army. i mean, the myth of the russian army, if successful and efficient is gone. but having said this, russia shown itself to be once again, be totally unconcerned about, you know, human lives. you so totally disproportionate force and basically, you know, attack on, on, on the civilians. so that is something which, you know, the poles and an hour later made members have to take very seriously hands that we, i think more stress on the kind of, you know, protection against me,

sounds and so on. and any attack, always, no rush on nato countries would be so excited for russia. but, you know, we don't want to see even one in shop, for instance, post i retreat to be destroyed by the madman in the criminal. so i think there is not quite concerned that there was work going on right now to configure nato to be even more, you know, directly kind of protecting the defensive lines of not just pulling but the baltic states. and also helping other countries that were mentioned in the region, such as, for instance, you know, ga, also in the book, who knows, you know, so it's a, it's a kind of movie, movie facet effort. but, you know, shows that the anniversary of major membership, which we've kind of celebrated recently, has been one of the, you know, it, you know, joining. i know. i think one of the best thing that happened to, poland began to say it's a completely different ball game. when he was, you know,

together rather french night allies at we know that we will, will with, with it. but you have to be prepared for gun expected because that's the kind of mobo soperano based off of the, of the russian of the crediting regime. samuel romney. how do you see paula's role in this the, the longer this cousin? well, i see poland playing a increasingly decisive role, both in terms of bringing european countries together by a trilateral frameworks. i think the polish check republics lenient framework majority produced. a 10 point plan is one positive step. another is obviously the british polish ukrainian platform has also been created. that's another positive step. and given the fact that poland and britain are both vital got contributors to army ukraine, britain with the movement of n, l a. w is another, anti tank weapons especially. and training. poland, acting using his borders as a conduit for it. those trilateral frameworks will be very important for polish ha, influence going forward in terms of policy that pull and they'll be bringing forward. there are several that i think that they'll be really trying to advance

with particular vigor. one will probably be cutting the ab martian banks off the remaining ones on from swift ads already support for that inside the united states . we're seeing gym bridge, for example, talking about secondary sanctions on russian banks. us, poland, ob ration in the financial punishment of russia is i'm it, we should watch for pulling might also be pushing for i switzerland and any remaining european countries that are on the fence of, of banning artie and sputnik to make that kind of step as well. as granting russians who are defecting and dissidence asylum, brickley those from the military and at pushing towards more comprehensive and sweeping sanctions. i, individual russians like the gillian russians who are supportive of the united russia party. and some other ventures like that could be things that poland will be lobbying the you to do. so play a very active role in the sanctions regime and also the chord nation luxuries is as you cran moving forward. all right, well i guess i could send back to you on this. um, what's probably going to be the last word? there's been talk for several years of permanently assigning us and nato forces more to poland. do you think that's a real possibility now?

yes i do, and i think the interesting is in the last couple years is just like a threat assessment where the. busy it been maligned a little bit by some of the west or you, it was we can get along on the polls were always, are clear eyed about this. and then when the proposed this permanent basing of american forces specifically and or, you know, forces on the eastern flag, jo came out about 4 trauma, it was going to be named and everybody focus and you know, wrapping up when about for trump. the bottom line is it was a great initiative, one through a 2 different paper to sign an agreement with united states on a lot of new initiatives, not permanent. asia are getting much closer because only that ground work. and i think the u. s. and you know, your area, so for intimating this every day now is much closer to considering permanent ac

u. s. forces and other allies all along the eastern flying. i think it will become a reality. all right, on that we're going to have to leave it. thanks very much to all 3 of you re won't check robert shell and samuel romney thanks very much of being on inside story. and thank you as always for watching them and we can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website as a little com. and for further discussion, you can go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a j inside story for me has him seek and the whole team here, and they'll help bye for now. ah, with

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