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a high price north west of the capital, the city of butcher bears witness to the brutality of war. at least 20 people in civilian clothes, left dead in the street. each scene a grim snapshot of the chaos and violence of their final moments, ukrainian se at the hands of russian forces. days earlier, the mayor of boucher announced the liberation of its town. larry hill rosier shannon, of which ask her mother march 31st. okay. down in the history of our community as the day of liberation, deliberation of our armed forces, every ukraine from russian occupiers. saturday, i state that this days joyful joyful. and this is a great victory in the cave region, and we will definitely wait until there is a great victory all over ukraine and more the joys of victory soon dampened

by death. ukraine's general staff is warning, boucher residence. russian forces, mind the city before they left, combat engineers work to clear suspected mind areas. bodies remain where they fell, until it's safe to retrieve them. boots as mayor says, entire families were killed and nearly 300 people have been buried in a mass grave. not far from butrend, the village of demitra, fca west of cave. the remains of russian soldiers killed in fierce fighting their left in the street. not even a janasia grain in the north of the country he occupies continue to retreat slowly but noticeably in the east. the situation remains extremely difficult. russian troops are moving to dumbass and towards cock eve. they are preparing new strikes. we are preparing an ever more active defense loss as ukrainians begin to occupy and

clear recaptured areas. what happened in boucher ukrainians? fear could be the 1st of many instances of community shattered by this war zane basra, avi al jazeera levine. we're getting reports of an explosion in as about john's capital barker. these pictures appear to show the aftermath of the blast in the busy street initial report, st. happened at a nightclub, a 2 month truce between the warring sides in yemen has come into effect the saudi coalition, and who the rebels are stopping that military offensive inside yemen and across its borders. french present. emanuel micron has held his 1st election rally barely a week before the 1st round of voting. holes show a tight race between the cone and fall right rival marine. the pen focused on supply minister in on con, is accusing united states of sorting to undermine him as he faces

a confidence vote in parliament. good baja, very excited julia. this is a big conspiracy. not against a brand can but against pakistan itself. slowly, people have started realizing what a big conspiracy has taken place, and it has been hatching since october by all these traitors who have been robbing the country for the past 35 years that were doing it in league with external forces . no, let me openly take the name of the united states. the 36 our curfew has been impose in sri lanka. the army has been given sweeping powers to make arrests. after a series of protests against the government. people are angry about a worsening economic crisis. that has led to power cuts and fuel shortages. those are the headlines in these. continues herron al jazeera after the bottom line. ah,

i of steve clements, i have a question, is the ukraine war, the beginning of the end of globalization? let's get to the bottom line. ah. after about 70000000 people died in world war 2. the west decided that creating an interconnected world of alliances of global justice courts and trade and financial rules was the best way to prevent future wars and promote economic advancement around the world. but these days that globalization project feels if it's on the brink of collapse, or maybe just morphing into something very different. the west is waging an open economic war right now to punish russia, the world's 11th largest economy, and a very big energy producer with huge sanctions and boycotts, basically, kicking russia out of the global financial system. add to the mix. the fact that folks in most parts of the world, including united states,

are kind of ambivalent about things like the global project and the benefits of trade. the whole world is becoming more and more me 1st. so is this how globalization ends? why are some us politicians trying to kick rush out of the world trade organization after washington spent 1900 years trying to get it in? and what is all this mean for ordinary people? just trying to get by today we're talking with a new monarch, a trade policy fellow at the council on foreign relations, who focuses on the world trade organization. and bruce stokes, a visiting senior fellow at the german marshall fund in former director of global economic attitudes at the pew research center, bruce and b know, thank you so much for joining me today. bruce state of the union address sounds a lot like america 1st. and i'm just wondering what you think about that. what is the world hearing when we're talking about by american today? well, you're right, the world. here's a protectionism. they fear this and they say, what's the difference between the trump administration or previous administrations emphasizing by him. we are moving into an era where people are more and more worried about secure and reliable supply chains. and that will mean that we bring

production closer to us, both in the united states and in europe, and in japan. ah, and not only is there a political resilience to that idea that we bring some of this is a success story of globalization and international cooperation. on, on trade and intellectual property. so i think that there is a lot of positives there that, that people arm is a big difference between this and the america 1st policies of president trump. in fact, it seems like we're trying to out compete china by trying to be more like china and send as of investing a lot more in government spending and choosing the winners and losers in our economy. and i don't think we do that. we should trust in the things that make america great, which is openness and the competitive non we need closer technological cooperation across borders because of the challenges we face and how difficult they are. and she's also right that it blocked appointments of the w. t o appellate body. joe biden hasn't changed the game on any of these yard. i would picture and that's

jeremy. they basically took a year, so we don't want to give him torch credit, but they've reduced the tariffs on steel and aluminum with the european selected out with the japanese right. and tried to tailor them so that they will favor low carbon steel, which is in line with the climate policies that are needed. right? ah, but i agree with you that, that some of the major shortcomings. and i, you know, i think that addresses even more directly, i remember talking to biden people before, you know, your issue. and they said their, their w t o priority, they're tre priority was to fix the w t. o. it's been more than a year. there's no evidence of that whatsoever. and the w cio is as broken now as it was under trump. i agree with that various and then you think about the focus that button had on the campaign trail where he said we are going to move away from it. trump era trade policy. we are going to find a way to revitalize america's place in the global trading system and more so

internationally. and we haven't really seen that. you know, i, we've seen sort of inching towards things. the lock a critical appointments to certain positions. we just got a w to in bassett or a week ago. so it doesn't really tell me that they're very serious about making this a top priority. and i wonder how we're going to get back to a point where the west can lead again in that institution. and other one, i mean, my guess is we won't in this, the 1st term of the, of, if there are to term by the administration. and if there's not who to return by demonstration, maybe not at all because remember, obama did not want to touch trade with a 10 foot pole in his 1st administration. it was only in the 2nd administration, they dove in to t p. p. and to the transel, antic trade and t t pip. so i think that, that we can't expect much on at up on a positive agenda on trade from the by administration because of the political problems that would create in the democratic party and, and with the public at large. you know, i know that you wrote recently and your role at the council on foreign relations

you wrote about. we do need to sanction russia for its bad behavior right now. but we need to be careful that you can go too far and send the signal that if you are pushed out of the club permanently without a way back, that that really not only creates great hardship on those that are victims in russia also trouble. but it sends a signal that, that globalization project is done, that it didn't work, that we didn't, you know, become like each other in that because we were trading with it. am i getting that right? absolutely. and you know, i think one thing to keep in mind with the sanctions themselves, why they've been effective. it's because we've had cooperation from our allies. the united states cannot impose these unilaterally and succeed in achieving whatever it wants to do with the sanction. sort of get competent to do what they want him to do to, to step back from ukraine and when we think about what sanctions didn't work well so far. yeah. we haven't seen them work. he's still fighting around who's crane. i

worry about the situation with, with, with sanctions where vladimir putin city just fine. leaders are always city just fine, but the population or hit hard and the bitterness that comes out of that, the hardship, the deaths that come out of this kind of moment. well, there's been a lot of economic devastation that we've seen so far in russia that's being felt not just by, you know, certain oligarchs in the system, but also by the general population. over $400.00 companies have either left permanently or temporarily. so there's a lot of business that's happening in russia right now. so i think that there can be long term consequences, but we have to be clear about what are the off from. and i think for there to be an effective sanctions regime, the government needs to explain what they need to do in order to have sanctions are moved. well, we have said in the united states, i think anthony blank and the secretary of state was clear that withdrawal needs to happen and it and it has to be clear evidence of permanent withdraw. but do you think that what anthony blinking is called for is too high a bar?

i think there needs to be a clear progressive step down from the escalation of the sanctions. and there has to be a way to give putting sort of an off ramp to get to the negotiating table. and then we can start sort of moving more sanctions off of russia. so i think that has to be some sort of incentive to get them to talk and that hasn't really happened yet at steve. i think the real, the not the only danger, but one of the major future potential dangers of sanctions is if we develop evidence that china is actually helping russia through its troubles. and that triggers secondary sanctions against the chinese. then the threat of sanctions to go the globalization project, it seems to me grow dramatically because china is behind. it is not a trivial economy, not a trivial economy. we are deeply, they are deeply engaged in the world economy. the european trade board with a chinese than we do, and that, that would affect our relationship with europe. again,

i don't know what we do if the chinese begin to help the russians, which as far as we know, they aren't right now. if we allow them to do that without a consequences that are set current sections are actually would be even less effective. i mean, you fair to trying it for the moment. they have said that they do not support the invasion of ukraine and that they have problems with that. yes, they have not outright condemned russia, but they've made clear that they, they do do, do not support what russia and they have, you know, they have their own equity is to defend right here. i mean, they would have to retaliate against us if we were, if we began to get post secondary sanctions on them, which would have grave implications for employment in china. because yeah, they can shut down the volkswagen factories or the toyota factories to show us that they are power. but that means chinese workers are out of out of our work. so i, it could get very messy if we end up doing secondary. so, i mean, i am chris,

thank you, and i've been talking for a long, long time about politics of trade. is this not just the fact that trade creates great wealth in the world? but, you know, over the years you and i have seen both parties, the republican party and the democratic party, and i safe walk away from any ownership on trade. that not like both one, i mean the republican party, even during george w bush, you know, his best friends were baseball, franchise owners and old oil guys in trade was not high on the platform as it was during the bill clinton administration, where there was a lot of embrace of trade in what it meant to the multi and i, and i think the issue will be, i think clinton was the last president. and maybe even the 1st president who fully embraced globalization and believe the globalization was the future. and remember, he would campaign and say, i can't protect you from this, but i will stand with you and will work out that will work through this together. then that administration did very little to help the people who were inequality

roof. exactly. i think that that people felt and your characterization of the, of the republicans than democrats both walking away from this issue. even while the public itself has actually become in principle, more supportive of trade. the poll, every poll shows that, that support for trade as a generalized principle, has grown over the last 20 years in the united states. now if you ask more specific questions, this trade create jobs. no, there's trade lower wages or res wagers o at lower wages. does trade lower prices and remember, this is what economists tell us, is the reason you trade is it because it lowers prices? american studies believe that so there is a, an issue here with what people perceive as the consequences of trade, even though they accept the idea, the trade is probably good for the country get there. but let me ask you both something that is boggling my mind. if you look at president biden's support right now it is according to an nbc poll,

plummeted to about 40 percent. now most when you would kind of consider this award time moment in a way or near board time moment, usually presidential support goes up. it's around 40 percent, according to some people. if you look at this poll onto americans, i have confidence in biden's ability to respond to ukraine war they say those that stink, that he does have a competency to deal with it. a great deal or quite a bit around 20 percent. that that's nothing. i mean there's, you know, there's no bounce from this when you get this ism of biden's ability. it's, it's 71 percent. if you look at the categories, if you look at the americans approve of bad gas from russia, they approve 70 percent approved ban and gas from russia. but if you talk to them about rising gas prices in this country, they're against that. you said a lot of, you know, different contradictions in what americans feel right now, but it just raises this interesting point of whether or not biden is making a mistake of just playing along with this game and recognizing, hey, you know,

walk it, shouldn't he be the person who comes, we need to make the new case for global trust. we need to take our allies, not only in trying them together, militarily, we need to restore and build on trade, and we need to show americans that trade can be a positive for them. not a negative, articulate that, build that and deliver that. i in this moment of great doubt and skepticism. i'm just wondering why they don't do that. bruce, my senses and you know, i'm not inviting the president. and if i were, maybe i'd be, you know, be, have a different line. i think that history suggests that the political people around any president, abraham trump, around a bad, that it's very difficult if not impossible, to sell trade as an issue to the american public. now biden did sell the idea that i can bring us together with our allies, our former allies, i can, i can rebuild trust in the united states. and i think that that's what he will try

to do without getting very specific about trade. now the reality is, the poll shows that republicans think that trust in the united states has gone down around the world rather than up under biden, which of course, the poll show is actually not the case. pull international poll shows that the international publics are so happy that joe, by his presley had anybody but trump would be good. ah, but it's not, it's, he can't even make, he can't even overcome the partisan divisions on this issue within the united states. would you say that even after afghanistan and the withdraw? i'm sure i wouldn't wanna, i'd have to think about this, but i, i think that afghanistan made that worse. i mean, let's face it at the, the handling of half ganna scan crisis was a fiasco. so, you know, one of the reasons i was so excited have you on the show to day is you are of the next generation from, from, from bruce to myself. you're very thoughtful on trade and economic issues. and i

like to ask you the same thing is, hasn't the deterioration and support for globalization gone to such a point that it needs a correction? and that we need a different articulation of what the benefits are, particularly in a world where we are importing shoes and you know, oils and you know, lithium and all of the kinds of stuff that we need. and there's certainly a case that we often talk about, that we're also living in a digital world where a i matters technology matters. what's in people's brains matters. and, and i'm just interested in how you think that case can be made if you believe in it, that we should not be ending, that flow of, of trade and flow of contact and that flow of connectedness. i and i think there are many ways to get back to that conversation of us engagement in the global trading system to be a leader in that system. part of it starts here at home though, and i think there's been a really big failure of leadership to articulate what the benefits of trade are and

the costs of protectionism. and we really haven't seen not over successive presidents and even been the worst. well, president trump was that was quite local, i would say more than any other president, but others have hinted at it, but just put other language on top of it and made a little rows. are there any heroes in trade? in the, in the, in the agenda, the, or i hate to just call it trade cuz it's really is really bigger than that. but for this globalization, are there any heroes of globalization on the scene right now? i think we're, we're lacking a lot of heroes. and globalization, but president biden could be that hero. i mean, we look back to when he was vice president, he was out there selling the trans pacific partnership agreement with president trump called the worst deal ever negotiated. right. and you had vice president biden saying that this was going to open us markets to asia. it was gonna help us counter a rising china. it was gonna make the united states a big global leader on the asia pacific stage. and now we see him sort of backing away from that and not pushing for any new trade deals. in fact, his trade minister basically said that trade agreements are a 20th century tool,

but of her policy. it's not a 21st century tool. so what are we supposed to be doing then? you know, they, they really need to articulate what it is. and i think part of the issue is in his own party. he needs to appeal to the progressives and explain to them my trade is beneficial. in fact, we want to deal with climate change, for example, which i think the democrats really care about. we need trade to deal with climate change as well. you know, there are high tariffs on solar products on wind mobiles, like everything that we would want to import to make americans. i be able to purchase the goods that make them have a greener life. they can't really do that as so easily right now. so there are things that he could do to intervene, and i think he should take that opportunity in like our quarter have you as a, as a member of a different generation. the 2 of us, your generation grew up where globalization was a factor of life. i grew up at a time when trade was a much smaller portion of the, of the overall judy p. the rest of the world was flat on its back in the united

states. was world world, economically. do you, do you think that your generation may not be as vocal about globalization simply because they take it for granted. i think that's a great question. and globalization has touched our lives from the very beginning. you know, we all grew up with our i phones in the internet and i think that, you know, maybe current politicians have not, i don't remember that. and, and so i think there is that divide. but the same time, you know, my connection is not the one in power right now. they're not the ones that are out there putting for and protection is rhetoric. i think when you talk to young people, they understand their lives or touched every day by train. and when i taught classes on train, i saw my students explain this to me as well and saying like, you know, i go home and i look and see within my dorm, and i can tell you that there's nothing that's laid in america on the label. and i realize that in order to afford things, i need to be able to buy things from abroad. so i think that people realize it is

just that that generation of younger leaders has to. so make their way up and articulate that it will let me ask you this question. how close are we to collapse of that global, the globalization project? how close are we to, to, with the disregard with, with the taking it for granted with the lack of enthusiasm in both political parties. you know, how close we did this whole thing collapsing, bruce? well, i think the globalization, we anticipated at one point, stay with the creation of the w t. o and what that would all bring in is not going to happen. i think we're going to see a world that is more divided between blocks economic blocks trying to be in one. you can block the west, hopefully europe in the united states, together with japan and the other block. because if, if we're separated, that it's, the globalization really has broken apart. but i think the, the challenge will be, how do you maintain some of the benefits of globalization in

a world we're going to have probably economic blocks. and just real quick, do you, do you see us having the competency to do that? i'm very worried about that. i think that i think we don't necessarily have the leadership or the creativity. and it's not at all clear that we and the europeans in the japanese can agree enough on what needs to be done. you know, i think that globalization, as we know, is forever changed. and it's been changing slowly over the course of the last few decades. and there really is a lack of enthusiasm to get behind the rebuilding sort of the fractured international order. and i think that's the thing that we have to be cautious about, particularly with how we're dealing with russia right now. in the sanctions regime . i is making sure that we don't do more damage to the entire international system in the process of taking out all our frustration on ones that we need to resolve. but we need to resolve it in many different ways. and so there's talk of removing russia from the world trade organization, for example. and i think that be

a really dangerous thing to do at the end of the day, because it's saying that we can just kick out a country when we disagree with them over something to deal with national security . but i could see potentially, that being may be used against china at some point for another national security concern may be vaguely defined. so we have to be really cautious here. what are the rules that undergird the system? how do we preserve them? and how do we realize that we can change things that don't work so well, but we need to get back to the negotiating table and figure out what it is we want to fix and go about doing the hard work of fixing it is globalization. alec cart work, i think globalization alucard does not work. we need a rules based training system that everybody abides by a level playing field. and that's what's going to make everyone much more competitive and prosperous. fascinating conversation, i want to thank council council on foreign relations fellow, you know, monarch and german marshal fun fellow, bruce stokes. thank you so much for your candid boss today and joining us. thank you you. so what's the bottom line?

free trade was supposed to create well for both sides of the equation, but let's face it while great, well has been created both in port countries and rich countries. it's been concentrated in the hands of a few. these days the west has sanctions on countless countries and individuals around the world. and the list just gets longer and longer every day at a historic rate and scale. whichever way you look at it, the global trading order is in real big trouble. whether the world trade organization survives or not. if folks around the world really start to feel like winners rather than losers, people might support the global trade game. otherwise, everything that washington set up 80 years ago, goes up in smoke. and that's the bottom line. ah, the stage is set and it's time for a different approach. one that is going to challenge the way you think was wor, inevitable. i just want to started to please know that they're not doing the right

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i'm carry johnston in doha, the top stories on al jazeera, disturbing footage has emerged from the ukrainian town of boucher near keith. it shows the bodies dressed in civilian clothing strewn in the streets, half to russian forces withdrew. he crane says its forces have now retaken in time . keith region. more on this now from al jazeera is rob mcbride in the vive. according to the matter of this town and i told the federal oak he, we have spoken to him. agencies have also spoken to him. he is claiming that this has been a deliberate targeting by russian soldiers, basically a massacre of civilians in his town. boucher is one of these satellite towns.