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just to the hungarian prime minister was from the russian president, andrew simmons, al jazeera, budapest. how president biden's normally for the u. s. supreme court case, tenchi brown, jackson is one step closer to confirmation. the senate judicial committee has sent her nomination to the full senate for a vote. if confirmed jackson would become the 1st black woman to serve on the nation's highest court. ah, this is al jazeera, these io top stories. now you cranes, president says he expects many more civilian deaths to be uncovered in areas abandoned by russian forces. the new concern is what's happened in borrowed the anchor regions surrounding cave is growing outrage after evidence. russian troops killed civilians in the town of butcher videos, show st. scattered with bodies,
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some with bound hands. ukraine's president says, vladimir putin must be tried for war crimes. rob mcbride has more from live at the prosecutor general's office in the ukraine, has set up an investigation into all of these alleged atrocities are investigating these discoveries of bodies as they are found at the authorities. and keep say that the number of civilian deaths, which could possibly be war crimes is now well over 400 well over 400 bodies have been discovered. but the prosecutor general's office is also now indicating that bought a jango. this is another town that the possibly atrocities worth the butcher had been a carried out there. follow to me that i am gay, will address the united nations security council for the 1st time on tuesday, early western and russian diplomats traded accusations over what happened to butcher russia's ambassador claims. the evidence of atrocities was staged for lank as governing coalition as lost its parliamentary majority. after unprecedented
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protest against the worsening economic crisis, parliament convened for its 1st session under a state of emergency imposed last week. the new finance minister says he's resigning day after he was appointed. pakistan supreme court has resumed a hearing on whether the prime minister's decision to dissolve parliament is constitutional. non con supporters have been rallying in the capital appealed against his order on sunday, triggering a political crisis. shanghai will remain in locked down the chinese authorities review the covered $900.00 test results of the cities in time. population of 26000000 officials have come under 5 for separating. coven positive children from their parents, sending them to quarantine facilities. but they have lies. the news continues here now to sierra after the stream. stay with us. oh, since we'll see french 13 go to the polls,
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we the cost of living crisis and the war ukraine living lot. i know my boy expected to win it, but how much ground in the far right can favoring the pen. i know his game. funny, the french makes on i with i am at shabby dean in for family. okay. and you're in the stream. on april 10th, voters in france will head to the polls to elect their new president. will it be a 2nd term for president manuel mccaul, or will any of the other 12 candidates, including far ride politician marine le pen or the controversial eric them would make it significant jump with the voters at the ballot box. it's going to be a fascinating election to watch. no incumbent has won a 2nd term since jacques chirac. and that was, i believe, more than 2 decades ago. ah,
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course we want you to be part of the conversation. so send your comments and questions into our youtube chat, and i'll bring them directly to our guests. now, joining us from on, on france is ream saga iowa, and she is a legal scholar and ph. d. candidate and comparative law. in paris. we have pauline buck journalist at of a still the image and here with me in studio. sonya treaty is an independent journalist and author of joe biden, the about he, the alumni week antique trump. thank you all for being with us. i have so much i want to ask you, but let's start with president microns 1st campaign rally that was just this weekend with less than a week to go before the elections, which kind of indicates that may be the elections has been overshadowed somewhat by the invasion of ukraine, of course, let's take a look at what he had to say. is only my
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friends. you understood it. we must mobilize now. the fight is now a little over. it's the fight of progress against the retreat. coma the fight of patriotism and of europe against the nationalist and that is this weather in april choices are simple. we will inform you want to france of parody or the ecology of progress then help us join us. so sonya a month ago, it seemed he had this race secured and just like in 2017, now we're seeing a lot of concerns about marine le pen narrowing the gap or maybe saying it's an
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open election. how has the media lands, or how has the political landscape changed? i mean, for me, it, what striking released to see nowadays in france or how the bus party under extreme of the political landscape are right and far left are really gaining ground. and it's a striking cause i, i left friends a few years ago how, you know, there is another lot of new faces. it's not phrase faces. i mean, i grew up seeing my, have been and jolly middle shore. so it's striking to see them in, you know, depending on the po number 2 anniversary and or so the political atmosphere engender, had the political climate. i think it's a bit worried ring and i compared sometimes to, you know, what i saw here since 2015 in the u. s. elections, i just, you know, noticed more and more aggressions or indeed political discourse more and more violence. and you know, a society that is more and more divided and you know, talk about a society divided that he, him sada. i'm curious, you know,
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melinda pen. certainly as we heard from sonia, not a new face. this is her 3rd attempt at the presidency. and although, you know, her brand has always been anti immigration, it seems that she's trying to sanitize her image. you know, it seems as though she's focusing more on the economy, the cost of living, you know, and those concerns that perhaps french voters have such as the, you know, cost of gas rising more than 35 percent this past year. what concerns you most are what's different about this year? the you know, i made the front, right? i mean, the pens far right is going through plastic surgery. you know, you can change the body, the facade, but the soul and the course to rotan. you know, of course she's going into immigration, of course, mounting of any still married or been in the very fact that we even claiming said that she became softer. electro mistake. she's still the same, but she has been doing some rebranding from
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a trained to be different her from her father's home, you know ben and going more actually into social and economy issue. so she shifted from the tradition on anti immigration, and i, and she's still like this very much so, but she focus now on the social class in a recent discourse. she would claim that she would fight for the people she would bring back the money to the people she is trying or so a to focus on public services welfare. it's almost as if she is being some sort of modern john teens, which is extremely weird. but no, not enough. any still, melinda? been but the problem is her ideal. she still means streams on now we think it's normal. right? and, and you know that mainstreaming of this kind of extreme polarized ideology that we heard from sonia existed in the u. s. for the past 4 years and that she says she recognizes in france, i do want to share with you something that martini lupins said very recently about
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this invasion. that's, you know, caught the attention of, of everyone in europe. take a, take a listen to citizen. i'm like the phoenix rising from its ashes. the truth is i got back to work. i rebuilt the movement of which i was the president, a presidency. i then left i went in close proximity with the french and i haven't been doing this just for 5 years. but for the last 20 years, i met with hundreds of thousands of french people. i have prepared a platform that is extremely thorough. that is credible that has funding and could be implemented immediately. because now it's urgent for the country to change the direction for a certain number of policies. so fall in that wasn't, in fact are talking about the invasion in ukraine. that's her framing herself in this new life. i do wanna ask you though, between what you, when you heard there in terms of how she's presenting herself and what we've heard in the past year. you know, she said not so long ago. ukraine belongs to russia's sphere of influence. we've
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seen her recently, you know, kind of the day after the invasion of, of russia, ukraine. she was kind of complimenting putin. what do you make of this shift in the narrative on her part? i didn't thing to has been any kind of shift really. she still, i think less than a week, they said that we should rebuilt. we being crohn's. she to rebuild the relationship that bronze has. we're prussia with pizza and she's being photographed, we've seen several times. she has met with him. she's always been very close to the russian and she's being placed as well. and my and t having links to talk all bonding angry. so really, i don't think that will be there will be any difference it's, it's just the size. so it's just a facade in shot. go on. i will, you know we've, we've seen also sonya mccomb be very busy and be criticized for kind of being the president of the rich that's going on for
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a while. whether it's true or not. that is the perception that exists in the media narrative if you will. also, many people criticizing him for not really paying attention to the campaign. he's of course, been busy with diplomacy. i'm just curious in your mind, you know, these pledges from japan, you know, saying she's going to reduce gas and electricity prices that she's gonna tax the hiring of foreign employees to favor nationals do think there's a real chance for her to win, leveraging the economy and the grievances that the people of france have. i mean, i think it's definitely a, it's definitely had finger and i think it's mac from her to do that because we are know that her main concern is immigration. but now she's, you know, playing on the, her main theme east, the economy like cream just said, and i think it's working because, you know, at the end of the day, even the french people are very concerned about what's going on in ukraine. people are read very, they're so about the economic situation. so i think what she's doing is, you know,
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walking we're set then type of p bar to be sure to the walk in class. and she, we saw that she now rode the gap. we say menu michael, but of course herman priorities immigration. well, and when you say she's that she's sort of narrow the gap. let's take a look at this pole. this is updating every single day. this is the most accurate or recent pull from the respected. i thought fiduciary group, if you look at my screen right here, you can see that i think it's like a point 5 percent increase, but quite an increase if you compare it, you know, with where people thought this election would be of course we see a manual mac on top with 27.5 percent and i'm curious it even sarah, when you, when you see that missile upin is winning 21.5 percent. it in the 1st round. that's double the vote. share of the fading extreme rights. a candidate error exam move right, who had 11 percent in 2017 though my co beats live pen. $66.00 to about $33.00. now it said $53.00 to $46.00. do you think that these numbers are
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accurate? are they a depiction of a real chance for malinda pan to really oust mccomb a couple of things. uh 1st, we really need to remember that the people elect that present and not polls. so we really need to be careful with that because the methodology as well. i can be question, but besides that, if, if you ask me, amen whoever, when the selection the far right has already won. look, that's all we are talking about. and instead of focusing on the issue, then i, you know, i'm old enough to remember how it used to be a taboo to even mention. then run political did bounce along and now we expect them not so long ago when you think about it and know it has been so many stream. you know, we talk about them of been an exam war. if you took an exam or whisk corey, i mean, who is literally sitting in the porch, right?
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he, he is like, he's the conductor of the said, like chin. he and you know, own election and musicians are basically being conducted by earrings in war, who gives the tangible who, who, who gave, you know, all the issues to be debated about. and i think this is worrying, so whoever, when i honestly the far right is already there and unfortunately he had to stay, well, you know, with that in mind with yeah, go ahead paul. im sorry, yes, i wanted to jump on. what reams are we sank? is this also something that we should not forget, which is that when michael was elected in 2017, the 1st thing he said, the 1st thing he promised the french was that this would never happen again. that would not be enough to run off with him against mine, but then that would not be another run off in which that's all right. would would be them one of the candidates and he's obviously failed in that he has not. he has
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said that he would fight before. right, but he has not done that and, and i just, i, i saw that really was wanting to jump in. it seems like both of them are agreeing with him. let's, let's, let's let pauline finish that point. but i want to ask you, why are we back where we were, why has he failed to provide that promise? then we'll go to room. ah, why that's a big question. i think it will suspect case. he's not really tried to keys likes as far as much as he should have, as recently as last year, or maybe the year before he was asking exam. oh, who was still at the time? only columnists on tv and for a night on immigration. so he was asking zimri's advice on immigration, seymour already of that time being someone who has been condensed by the french just as several times. we're saying very rice does things american grid. so there was no big will from michael to 5 to 5 the far right. but it's
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worse than it used to be on top of my mind, a pen still pulling at around $0.22 as much as we can trust the price on that is we have also is in will who might be fighting in the polls, but it's still at 10 percent, which means that right, i see one in 3 french person, people is planning to vote for the fall, right. reaches, right, i'm and on that point and so now i see you both want to get in here. but on this point, i mean there is a worrying scenario right for mr. mccall. like if zoom moore's, vote goes to missile of fan in the run off. then that's a pretty substantial come, you know, portion of the vote. you know, we've heard a majority of the left kind of still feel betrayed or somehow hostile against the president, even though many people seem to kind of support his handling of the pandemic. so sodium, sarah, you know, what were you going to add when we heard pauline kind of describing this, this deja vu that we're having. and i completely agree with colleen. and actually i
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would say it's even worse for 5 years macro and his administration not only pander to the far right but adopted the ideology. and it's very interesting recently my co declare to his supporters that it's time you know, to that there is a risk for the far right to, to win and so on. but it's rich coming from man who try to attract the far right ethnic to rate. so for example, he was it, as far as a know, the 1st sitting president giving an interview for renewal for right magazine. he's interior minister jihad damina many times, i mean was declared that he wanted the far right electra to vote for them. so for michael and i had become ash because he, i quote, understood the anger and salons the lawns. similarities, the whole debate on is lemuel left ism, which literally comes from the far right. right. so it's always the same and you
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know, well, he pays to rings like, well, i mean revealed to the fire, right? but then we need to save the republic inside on that point. i mean, you know, i remember in 2017 when i was covering the election on the ground, you know, and, and this idea that islam is uncomfortable with the west was very much coming out of the mouth of maddie la pen. we're still seeing this discourse ok, but it's coming out of the mouth of our exam more instead. let's take a look at how he friends this debate and we'll talk on the backside. ilya or problem a very there is a problem with the spread of islam nowadays and france. that's a problem because politicians have stepped back because they've wanted france to make reasonable compromises with islam. instead of asking muslims to make reasonable compromises with france. feel these eckleman morrigan athletic levels. you know, when i see that clip, i just, i, i know as well that even though he's behind my, the in la pine, that his base is very, very enthusiastic about his candidacy, right?
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that potential you are all seeming to agree that there's been a shift where, where, you know, anti immigration and basically racist rhetoric is kind of much more acceptable. so i'm curious on, you know, we have one french voter and human rights expert who's been fighting a slam, a phobia for a long time. and i just want to share with you what he has to say, because he's very much focusing on this idea of abstention. which of course them a con camp is quite worried about. let's take a listen. so this year for the presidential election in france, i think a lot be voting. i'm done voting for the least of 2 evils. and every election we have the same discussion. we're leg voting against the far right, but it doesn't serve any purpose. if at the end of the day, the government in place serves the policy and the objectives of the far right, which has been the case in, in france, and people at the international level. feel to see that of course we have the strongest for right in europe. leading the country to leading political force,
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but at the same time is not so much but smiling lupin, i will say, as it is about what emanuel mac hall, gus and his been most harmful president for every minority friends. so sonya, you heard that's matawan take. i mean is that, is that a accurate assessment? you agree with some of his point? yeah, and i think the abstention is going to be maybe, you know, the winner of this addiction. i mean, it's not that it's a good thing, but it's going to be very striking. i think it might be a record abstention this year for the addiction. a lot of young people, i think one out of 4 is not planning to vote. and i think or so what is striking when we talk about the far right? not a nice denomination of the far right in france, but are so the fact that you see a lot of young people now will say that they're going to vote for the more and or for my independent. again, that's not something you know that you saw in friends may many years ago, 10 years ago. so the young people are being attracted more and more and more by the
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far right from is a new phenomenon. and you know, it is a move, reminds me in some term of the nature and because of this very controversial and xenophobic proposers, i think it's a turning point, the selection to because he's going to have an influence on the long term. he knows he's not gonna win this election, but it's going to happen in france under legislative election. and the fact that he open up the discourse to now, people there to say things that, you know, a very aggressive race, these things in a, for the remarks that, you know, you will not say b, b before, you know, and we've touched on the economy. we've touched on this kind of islam of phobia, this racism that exists in the discourse. we have someone in our, you tube, chad as a asking is the left just dead. pauline, i'm curious. i mean, you know, we can go here in the studio about it but, but that could be a serious. i mean, is it is the laughter just that it is a serious question and the answer is so maybe yes, but not completely in the sense that the socialist party of on so long who was
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president before michael actually michael was in his cabinet, is pretty much dead and they're pulling around maybe 4 percent. they had they got 6 percent which was in retrospect and good results in 2017. so the socialist qualities, pretty much gone. it's definitely not going to win. certainly not going to make it around. but does mino show who is this fall? right. i won't say yeah, yeah. candidates i who is still pulling right the behind left then. so how does does hope in that sense? it's still only 15 percent off the boat right in the 1st round. right. not remarked, it's not encouraging. certainly. yeah, but i think i feel like in the last 5 years, the left is really it's not that, but it's alive on the streets that have been many marshes, many demonstrations,
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many new movement for i'm thinking of the yellow vest who are all right and full. my social justice ran out, but also the climate movement so many you use the young people but not just junk people who have been marching and demonstrating against michael's policy. so yeah, and i think the left if it doesn't win, which is yeah, highly improbable. a will be seen on the streets and the guy who and, and because pauline, you, you're very eloquently brought up, you know, kind of those points and, and then microns policies themselves. i am curious, i mean, we touched on the economy, but you know, for as much as you know, we heard sonya say, people in france, care about what's happening in ukraine and with russia, but they care more about their pockets. right. and, and this is, you know, the not fonts and cliches, but that the french have a long, healthy history and tradition of protests. i'm curious, you know, why has micron really accomplished in 5 years? because if you're listening to some of the voters that we've been paying attention to, we have a clip of some of their grievances,
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some of their concerns. i just wanna wanna play that and then come to you ream side . i meant maybe you could share your opinion on why they're so upset. these old pony says he failed the school nathi. john, i'll boy, it's gary for us because we retire. our pensions remain the same. it's been ages since they were increased. and our buying power is collapsing, it's obvious. so we can't do what we want. that's that, you know, we're already struggling to buy food really. so it's getting harder we don't, we do. so that's what i can say about inflation. unfortunately, and i saw this is so we central video, literally only a book welfare dear collateral inflation has a very big impact on us, mainly because of the price of fuel. it's very complicated, bella, the fishermen have to go out to sea, but there is less fish close to the coast, so they need to go far out to get it. and so with the price of fuel, the price of fish goes up dramatically. luke was home you bought did the,
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the mail is just get little kitty cycle for porn. i stole mitchell and then fly kiki for the moment. there's no one amongst presidential candidates. i see who can tell us tomorrow will be brighter issue. i mean, was none of them had the solution if you, because what they do was take something away to give something back. this her shock, that's how it is for each. alexa, so we were bit skeptical. he won out, even if there's a new president, it won't change much in kosovo, such for financial, no fatal sodium, sad. i see your face speaks volumes. you don't, you seem liked to, to relate to what some of those people are saying. but you know, what, what can micron do about this? at this point, he had 5 years to do something. so a little too late, i guess. i mean, he's, our term was pretty well known from controversial and popular reforms. i'm thinking about the pension reform, right? i'm thinking about the yellow vest movement, which lasted, if i'm not mistaken for a bit more than 2 years. but then cove, it happened. and,
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and it's very interesting because due to inflation. so do you know the recovery of frances economy because of covered now the rise of energy prices because of the war? the government has a really, an emergency plan. the easiest residents plan to avoid this kind of social instability. but people are not stupid or, you know, and that's the thing during this campaign. oh, we hear is that more immigration, islam, islam, immigration, but nobody's tackling the really jumps here that people care about. i'm each are, you know, i economy the dis, minimal public services and so on. and i know that micron has tried to even remember. yeah. and he's tried to make some promises. maybe a little too little too late. but i'm curious. sonya hearing what it im sorry, just outlined the real economic grievances people care about how will that impact are the results in round to what do you anticipate will happen in round to? well, i think you know, my coin menu and microns to seem for
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a lot of french people are like a safe bait, like he's predictable. even he, me see, you know, if i'm elected, you know how we behave. so i do think, i think, you know, our bets are off. we don't know, like lou pennies, number 2, but middle school is rising in the boards. and for instance, a few days ago, you had a lot of teachers. ok, actors a cooling to vote for middle school. so i think, you know, we have to be careful with the bars. but if it's my cool and mountain, the pin, i think that microsoft has more chances to win, but definitely the clinical issues. you know, we didn't see a manual maximum going to the markets. it was so focused on the, to war in ukraine, which, you know, get, make him more popular into pores like we saw. he was rising in popularity with court as a wartime leader and f e. tried to raise up the crises, you know, tucking was put in. right. right. but, but so, you know, you know, you know, there is so much that we could discuss and we will continue to discuss these topics after the election before the election. but we're at the end of the show,
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