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ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim john, attempts to in the m and civil war appear to be gathering pace president abd rebel months or had the was in exile and saudi arabia has stepped aside. he's transferred powers to a presidential counsel, to leave talks with healthy rebels. it follows the start of a to want to cease fire and a week of discussions and saudi arabia on ending the war. but the truth is, have rejected had his announcement. ma'am, of all has more he's been geminus official president for years, but um, double muscle hardy has largely stayed out of the public arena. that was until he made this announcement on thursday. i announced the creation of a presidential council that will carry out the tasks during this transitional

period. and i fully and reverse ably delegates to the presidential leadership council. my full powers in accordance with the constitution. many committees were never impressed by had these leadership not being a popular president. so he's been really quite difficult to get out of power. but i think that a lot of things have happened recently. and international politics have really focused attention on needing to resolve the war. the international community would like something to happen and that it can, it can consolidate its bandwidth to focus on the war and ukraine. and also the humanitarian disaster just gets worse and worse. the presidential council to allow take over, brings to get most of the countries opposition groups a united front against the horses, the armed group that has controlled much of northern german 4 years. the council is headed by former minister shaddon. i lead me, who enjoys saudi support,

the united arab emirates, and saudi arabia back to move and pledged $3000000000.00 of financial aid to support the new leadership. the fact that the both, both the saudis and the iranians welcomed the truce simultaneously as a rare feat when it comes to the conflict. and the fact that you know, both. ready or all the players, all the stakeholders are happy with this reconfiguration of the government is very important. it's not clear, however, your face will be ready to make concessions or share of power with this. and you version of human as you annette, organized, government commenting via twitter, or who are these folks man dismissed? had these decision as a joke, saying of the future of human can decided only from within yemen. the tool side south agreed on a 2 month ceasefire that took effect on saturday. but the who thes still refused to attend the negotiations, had a yard saying it's enemy, territory, and talks should be held in a neutral location. mohammed fall audio. all right, let's take

a look back at how it all started for more than 7 years. now, yelman's been torn by conflict in 2014 healthy rebels, captured the capital sum up and demanded a new government. the following year, a coalition led by saudi arabia and the united arab emirates began a military campaign against the hoses. the you and estimates 377000 people have since been killed both directly and indirectly through hunger and disease. yemen was already one of the poorest countries in the middle east before the war broke out. now it's suffering, one of the world's largest humanitarian crises. all right, let's bring in our guess in london, a man and hm. danny is an independent consultant on yamini affairs. and a research fellow at the human policy center and independent think tank based in berlin in the saudi capital real. but up she been, shaban, you have any political analyst and case worker for the human rights in g o reprieve

. and in washington d. c. geral, fire scene is a distinguished senior fellow for arabian peninsula and diplomatic engagement with the middle east institute and a former us ambassador to yemen. a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us on the show today. but let me start with you today. the creation of this new presidential counsel. does this say to you that the war in yemen is nearing an end? i mean, it's a, it's a step forwards. it's a way of consolidating power. and the, if you'd like to say the unsee who's the block. so it's, it can push for a more comprehensive political solution from a stronger negotiation position. but it doesn't mean that the complex it's over. it's only over when we have a nationwide ceasefire. and when we have a security and military arrangements that will enable all political parties to go

back and practice their duties from the capitol center. and this is, i think we're still a little bit far from, from, from that happening. there's a lot of hope there is a lot of momentum going on and there is a lot of backing, especially on the economic economic front. so all of these are good signs, but i think a lot has is still yet to be done in order for us to reach a, an end to the complex ramen, the transferring of presidential powers from president heidi to this new presidential council. how big of a political shake up does this constitute i think it's a pretty significant shake up if not one of the most significant shapes that. ready since the conflict begun, 1st of all, we have to keep in mind, for example, most of the m and analysts know that president had, he does not have much say much decision and sort of holding his power. obviously the kingdom center was sort of stuck with president had the obviously the

government and their practices in yemen were not to say the least just quite corrupt. they were unable to defeat these. there was just no coordination among them. and so having the association of president happy with the muslim brotherhood and his vice president id wasn't, was considered to be one of the major leaders of the muslim brotherhood in yemen. so i think for saudi arabia, this was a good chance for them to sort of get rid of him and just be honest and sort of just basically set up a factions, or rather a counsel that sort of can either one threatened to who these. because all the counselors members are so anti very significant and with the figures and at the same time and this way may persuade these as well to engage with them and maybe taking more seriously. so i think we have to keep things in mind. is that 1st of all is this presidential council president? have you now that it is within the constitution? but i think the constitution has been messed around since the spring for that matter. i think when, how do you see how it. ready be a short term transfer power from 2012 until 2014. but then his just got extended

without the any people actually knowing or agreeing with it. and so this is one of the main reasons why we have the conflict. because the who the sort of say, or defender with their actions and when they took over the capitol city of science and 15 is that has 5. so in my opinion, there's a big question more on one, the legitimacy of all the actions. but i think also that it's a good step forward in the sense that these, even though publicly have denied that they are going to engage with the saudis or with the government. but we are, we can be very sure that the sci fi is announced. and reciprocals, these are the studies as well, is not coming out of nothing. it's definitely coming because a lot of media in the night it states united nations and boys playing a huge role on a. so i think there are good steps to get things going. but i think the, the differences for the conflict are still yet to be resolved. gerald, let me ask you from your perspective, is the announcement of this new presidential council,

a clear sign to you that saudi arabia is looking for a way out of the war in yemen? well, absolutely. i think that, that the reality is that the saudis have been looking for a way out of this conflict for, for 6 years now. and since 2016 i, it's been very clear that the saudis would like to see this conflict resolve. the obstacle has not been on the coalition side. it hasn't been on saudi or even the government side. it's really been the who t's i. i agree with the other guests that, that what happened yesterday constitutes a step forward are clearly was orchestrated by the saudis and the m moratti's. and the fact that they immediately addressed one of the critical issues confronting all yeah. me and he is the economic collapse with the $3000000000.00 cash injection is

an indication that what they're trying to do is strengthen the anti who to call ition. what we don't know is whether or not to who these are actually prepared to engage in a political negotiation and the conflict as a robot indicated there, at least public response has been unpromising. but whether that reflects the reality of where the who is are we don't know. but i think that where we're, we're left with this announcement yesterday is that post on the military side. and on the political side, conceivably, the anti who coalition is in a stronger position to respond to whether the who t is decide to renew their military operations after the officer or are agreeable to returning to negotiating table and try to find

a peaceful resolution. but let's look at another aspect of what's going on right now for a moment. this you in mediated truth that took effect. how is it going so far? is it holding up and how is it different from other cease fires that have been announced in the past? i mean, i wouldn't say it's holding very well because there isn't any implementation mechanism that is a company that is going alongside this. this announcements, the u. n. does not have any but the monitoring the situation on the ground and it doesn't have teeth on the ground to actually stop or even find a way to prevent an escalation from, from happening. so it's, it's going on simply because there is a, there is a needs and both sides have said that they are willing to engage with the, with the, with the troops, but actually on the good willing of both sides. and they can definitely collapse at

any moment. and i think this has been an ongoing criticism of the how the you and handled the situation in the i'm and but a man does the makeup of this council lead you to believe that this council is going to be able to negotiate successfully with the her with these going forward, i guess what i mean is do the members of this new council have enough political and military clout on the ground in yemen that they could potentially make a big difference? i think they do have some clouds. i think they have some military, some of them have some military, some of them have some political thought. i don't know so much about what negotiation or what they have to incentivize the sort of fallen for their the mass . because i do think that even though that these figures, for instance, there are figures that are representative of the southern transitional council, which is a separatist group that's been aiming to call. it's been calling 1st session,

essentially since 2017. you have set this figures up, by the way, into this course called the giants brigades. you have thought of that was the nephew of the former president with us all that. so you have and then you have a show that he meet with the head of the presidential counsel and also was to serve as a ministry of interior and is also considered one of the biggest, i guess fader is in the eyes of these because he's sort of a provided ment allegedly, all that, all the targets of the out of the, you know, the coalition is embalming in the on. so essentially what i want to say is basically these groups are, these members actually are very animates with these. there are personal and ideological and to a certain extent, military battles against that with that these figures have also for some of them have been exiled that out of the country because of the who, the so. so i think the side of maybe as that goal and doing all this sort of to put these figures who actually will stand and fight militarily against those rather

than actually be able to negotiate. however, i think this will indicate to them that, you know, the population is under their control, that the military is behind them sort of are a bit more serious to take on that with you this time around. as i said after, after the 2 month period today. and so. so i think, i think we have to keep in mind that basically the selection of disappointing is, i think in my opinion is still, i think they have their own defense. if you have members of the party, the, any off of the muslim brotherhood or, you know, very, very, very strong opponents of this will in traditional counsel. and this like is also very strong opponents of the general people's congress, which is represented by and so, so that the old dimensions of the many political parties and their differences are thought to be a unifying effort against these. but i think in my opinion, that's going to backfire because essentially it's not inclusive, it's not including any representative of the g p. c, for instance, who are providing a center. it's not rep, i mean people look at the who is right now and see them as anybody and who the leadership is. it is, it has actually everybody in the not so need to have

a civil society that's active in the north. you have people who are genuinely seen, who is less because it only seen bombardment and only have been isolated to only view the local who, you know. so we have to keep in mind that in many eyes and, and i think into these as well, this move is not going to be seen as very welcoming at the beginning. and it may just very well that fire gerald. you're a former us ambassador to yemen. so i want to talk with you for a moment about the u. s. is rule when it comes to yemen. president biden has said that the u. s. is stepping up, diplomacy to in the war and yemen. he's also stated in the past that he would in the us support for offensive operations in yemen. what do you think about his administration's policies towards yemen this far? have they been flawed? well, i think that's certainly when president biden came into office in january of 2021 and made the announcement that you refer to the, the focus on diplomacy,

the appointment of tim lender king as a special envoy. and also the announcement that the u. s. wouldn't support offensive operations by the saudi led coalition inside of yemen. are those all made sense at the time? and it appeared that in fact, putting american support fully and unequivocally behind the un lead process would potentially lead the parties to agree to come back to the negotiating table and try to find a political and peaceful way out of this conflict. it hasn't unfortunately worked out that way. what we saw rather than agreeing to come back to negotiating table is that the who is double down on their military operations, particularly in matter. they appear to take from the president's announcement.

the idea that the door might be open to them for military victory. and therefore what we've seen over the past year has been an intensification of the conflict, or rather than agreement to return to the negotiating table. and so the question now is how does the bible ministration adjust its approach to the i'm in conflict to take these new realities into account. tim lender king has been in re odd for the last week. we can assume that he has been deeply involved in the go. she ations that led to the announcement of the new presidential council. that this is an indication of how the united states is trying to transition. and presumably how the un, we'll now try to transition to a new effort to bring the parties back to the negotiating table. it remains to be seen. i think i agree completely with right one at this point. we don't know how

the, who, ts will respond. and whether or not this new approach to resolving the conflict is going to succeed or is going to simply lead to a new round of fighting i in the coming months. but i, i wanna step back and look at the humanitarian situation on the ground in yemen for a couple of minutes with you. many agencies have said that the situation there, what's going on in yemen is the worst humanitarian crisis in the world. the country is afflicted by widespread hunger disease displacement. how dire is the humanitarian crisis right now and, and how concerned are you that it's only going to worsen? well, of course, the monitor and situation is only getting worse, and as the conflict continues, it will keep going from from bad to worse. but of course, we've seen positive indications weighs the injection of the

$3000000000.00 in cash to support the role of the governments of the currency. the currency is today performing better than it was today's 2 days ago. so that's all goods good indic indication. but the overall humanitarian situation is the, is the consequence is the consequence of the collapse of the states institutions. and with all of those groups, even the members of the political, this political council, the presidential council, when they were fighting with each other or the divisions, even the political divisions. it didn't make any possibility for the state institutions to be reinstated, even in the interim capital aiden. so what is needed and urgently needed is the support of the reinstates of the institutions to go back and perform. there is a very good vibe right now. those members of the presidential council have the

majority of the parliament, so they can start having the sessions of the parliament inside aiden. and, and, and, and hopefully this will have an impact on the, on the, on the economic and then therefore the, the new turn situation because him, the cherry and aids cannot be a permanent solution. so the ongoing crisis and raymond, i know that you've talked about this in your previous answers, but i just want to try to drill down a little bit more on this. i mean, the transferring of presidential powers in practice. just how complicated is this going to be? i think it's going to be quite complicated because as obviously, as i just mentioned earlier, obviously there's this all these questions about the constitution and what is be inside it than how it's sort of going to play. but it's not clear really how this council is actually going to be executed executive mechanisms. however, i do believe now that they are actually in thought to sort of see how that's going

to be implemented. but we have to keep in mind that this council is probably going to be governing the country front. also saudi arabia, i think, as barra said them in the there's a chance that the pilot might go to a them, but that's too long from now. the last time the government tried to go back to 8 and they were welcomed by a buried of rockets that killed at least 15 civilians at the airport. and that was just at just the 1st minute. i think also the difference is that you have in the south of yemen and the east of yemen. it's not safe for most of these people to be able to go from there. so we're still stuck in sort of this on the governing from abroad, which also will we can, i think the eyes of this counsel, i mean they may be more effective in sort of answer of combating corruption on the ground. for instance, among the salaries of their soldiers, you know, there's a lot of go, so there's that example that you just, you know, receiving salaries. but it's actually going to benefit the pockets of many of the figures that are fighting to who these. so i think i think the government or the presidential council needs to find the place where can practice his duties safely and, and once that happens, we can actually evaluate. but at the time, it's not very clear how it's other than i ever shadow on me. being the executive

director of this council. it's not very clear what the duties are. nice suspect in the next couple of days we're going to know what it is. and i think this is also a staple of yamini agreements that are basically, i mean, we had this reality agreement that was signed in 2019, which was signed between the s t c at the southern position council. and the internationally recognized government. but it was only until the end of 2021, that little progress towards the implementation of the agreement, which stipulated a restructuring of the military and putting them on the essentially of want command and power sharing. so, so we have a long way to go, i believe, gerald i, i saw you nodding along some woodberry man was saying that looked like you want to jump in, go ahead. will know i agree with this completely. and of course, there is another aspect to this issue of the legitimacy and credibility of this new of this new presidential council. and that is that, that the un security council resolution $2216.00 explicitly

identified the heidi government as the legitimate government argument. and therefore, there could be a question raised and i think one of the obstacles to moving away from president hardy, in the past to any kind of a new format has been this question about whether if there is a transition away from president hardy, does the legitimacy in the eyes of the international community, transfer to the new, the new structure as well. and so this is a question that the international community, the un security council and, and others are going to have to address as we go forward. i also wanted to make another point about about this, about this new presidential council. and again, is as on said, you know, the, the reality is that this is not the 1st attempt to really try to paper over these

deep divisions within the, at the who the movements anti who the political leads on that, that really don't agree on very much and so you have rashad olean, clearly reflecting the reality of a unified yeah. man, he was a senior figure and i'll, we have a solid government are going back many years and then you have to reduce is a baby who is clearly a leader is secessionist. move in the south, or you have other people who i simply don't agree on very much. and what we've seen in a weakness in yemen ever since 2011 has been, you know, the tendency to try to throw all of these are individuals together into a government,

quote unquote. nor that really don't have very much the common basis for now, for their vision, for the country or anything else. and whether that works or doesn't work or remains to be seen so far, are the examples that we have the transitional government, 2011. there are a reorder agreement that robot referred to. none of them has actually developed any kind of capacity to actually provide governance and to the country. and that's what's really needed here. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests reminded him danny, but shaban and gerald firestick and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside story. you can also, during the conversation on twitter, our handle is at ha, inside stored for me, ma'am. a jim, jim, and whole team here, bye for now.

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