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outgrow grams, award winning documentaries, and get these reports. subscribe. take you cheese dot com. forward slash al jazeera english. hundreds of thousands of americans are experiencing a homelessness. and as eviction protections enacted during the pandemic come to an end. many worry that the crisis will worsen, but how do you solve a problem? when politicians, even within their own party, can't seem to agree on a way forward. that conversation is coming up. but 1st, south africa is the most unequal country in the world. $30000000.00 people are living in poverty while the top 10 percent of the population own 86 percent of total net. well, the result high levels of housing and food insecurity. fighting against evictions and for land better housing and the dignity of the poor is a check. well, as movement called the avalon basi, i'm john de la. they are the largest grassroots organization of the landless poor

in post apartheid south africa that they faced dangerous. and sometimes fatal consequences for their activism. just last month, 2 members were killed and what the group says were politically motivated assassinations, this week's headliner to pay a little more happy. the secretary general of the abilene boss image on the look the pelham will help me. thank you so much for joining me on up front. you are the secretary general of abeline basil and john little by lately, members of your organization have been facing threats. physical attacks in early march to members, a yonder in gila and c, a bongo mac, welly were actually killed. your movement had said that the killings were carried out by people connected to the african national congress, the correct governing party. they of course, have rejected these claims. why has your movement faced such violent repression when you're fighting for what are seemingly uncontroversial things, a basic human rights, housing, food and things like that movement was formed in stone. 5,

my son wasn't. dondo stands for a for to pull and merchandise in this country that generation we on a forgotten generation. we live under buried in human conditions in the ship settlements. we have no access to what we have no access to sunny station. beth is that reality that we faced as the people running and checks the dimensions of africa post about their south africa. and i'll find that did not fight for these. nelson mandela did not fight for they force for us to have a live then and before about it, i and, and gala india owned a young man who was please, it was needing a new shooting to call the twin level because all over to where am instead of crazed in such a brilliant leadership in c, c, z and b as an enemy, because he's a poor, i'm young man who is from the settlement. informa settlement,

who's organizing outside of the states. and we can say that the people have been killed by did totally amc, because in 2016 to what kinds of the amc were convicted and sentenced to life in prison. and right now, as i speak to you, they are saving, lack in prison, in the minimum that prison for having queued, one of our own activities. so we are queued because exposing corruption. we have queued because we are exposing production when it comes to our location of houses that are built by government for the product of the poor. but in state officials in the municipalities, in the form of what kinds of dollars are sitting, use houses to meet the people who do not want to bypass going to the banks. but the houses get a mentor to put a stop to poor given to people who do not deserve them, and you find that homelessness continues to, oh, no,

stay for us. and we are living on that is a home that i'm in very, in human condition. i wanna do it, but i want to talk to you about about housing for sure. but i don't want to skip past this question of the a and c being directly involved. ah, in these killings, you've talked about killings for which members are people connected to the a and c have been arrested convicted in sentence, but the answer is also rejected. ah, quite formerly the insinuation that is involved in the systemic elimination of abala bus. and when you all are leaders and members, in fact, the spokesperson for the agency in causal the natal, where the killings took place that we referenced said, you cannot say the a and c has killed people or the agency has sent people to kill other people. if you have got evidence that so and so killed your leader or member, you have an obligation to go to the police and open a case and give evidence otherwise going out in issuing statements that a and see killed people are, is reckless. and when we're talking about these killings,

particularly the ones in early march, oh, what evidence do you have? what can you offer? ah, to substantiate the claim that they were killed by a and by the agency where the n c, as in government am, we're not saying that's the, the agency is, is, is, is killing the are people who are using the name of the amc and i and we should come out and say, don't people are not representing us. so the person who has been behind in the attic of the communion in canada. and you know, in the end, adding people, they're taking people, letting people is in is the chief who sam's in the executive branch of the a and c and use is the name of the amc. so the answer, if they're not involved, they should be the one who are condemning these. in fact, we have never had them condemned window to what counselors and no statement was issued when the toward counselors re we added it. so you, we have proof of to a and c position at hiring well rested today day. and she never even leaves the

statement. so we have been reporting cases and the cases of the to, you know, what comes on us where you put it way investigated. and they thought they were found to be guilty, but some of the cases are in fact we have the more on the commission and which of the commission to investigate political killings and wasn't that. and we went into it and brought for some evidence. today we have to wait, but you know, you are fighting against the government and that is investigating it's there. i want to get to the root of this question of land, which you referenced a moment ago. because one of the main promises opposed to part time south africa was to redistribute land to black south africans, we've been forcibly removed from the land during the apartheid regime. can you talk about the breakdown of land ownership in south africa today? who benefits from access to urban life in an opportunity? well, the, the issue of that is inside of the guy is did

a major crisis. and i don't think that's the, the, the, the legislation that we are put in place and have done any justice shorting against . i mean, we're talking about 10 to 7 years later since the amc has been in power. that he has a peasant myself can, can claim that cannot claim that their own level does come. and while the 10 percent and each wides, who, where privilege during the update can continue to own the majority of the land and just country we are, we are just less we. we have no future. amen. i inhibited the chance. settlement where i leave, and the ship that i live in is a ship that belongs to my parents. so we in heavies, poverty, we're asking poor is deflect a people to just country. the majority of black people still suffer the consequences of living and that is in human conditions where we are faced with files in from our sentiment and where we had a good thing in the how does this, how does this happen? right? been a post

a part type moment. 1 many people celebrated the shift in leadership, the face of black president and government officials. and yet i'm hearing you talk about a, a persistent inequality in terms of access to resources, access to land access to housing. how does this happen when we were sold? this idea that we will free and we do have the freedom of movement. and i don't, i, i to excess economy that i had to excess housing data to access to land. that is it that way we can glance food. so we can stop by is not day for people with a young black peasant like my sam is still saying today that i don't have a place where i can pull it home and my kids was heading their face. the very same fact. if i don't fight today, so that's why we are fighting and saying that we will occupy meant we need to when needed to do so because we are doing this for kids. we are doing this for our next

generation because it seemed like can be those who have negotiated during the holidays. i did not discuss that issue of land and which was the most crucial being we went these, pull it off our land and we have the levy. i'm that these condition that you anything and that could cause the color. now the system is still a visit for us and if you go to a place like cape town, it's been difficult to access. it defeats you when you are black and, and now we have an in no, it's no longer and about disk in the scheme. it's about how much you have so, so you can access the cities. so we will compile land that has to look at us. it is because we believe that people have been deprived, looked at i 2 x. if you can't get around that more me a bit, can you describe that for me a bit because, you know, i think from audience has benefit your fighting against evictions. you're fighting

to access land, as you mentioned, and to do so, you are lead occupying vacant and unused lands in urban areas. and you're trying to sort of bill communities in, inside these spaces out there in formal settlements. basically, what do they look like? who's in them, or how are they structured when the infamous settlements are shenzi houses built out of wood out of desperation because we have no other ways of occupying let em. because so sometimes we are forced to forcibly removed by the answer and envision when each done no enforcement, as well as the, and injured in july, respected or not. and it's where people are to move into gunpoint and some of them have been killed during the process. and by the way, we've lost 22 interviews about some jumbo and since 2009 when we are being i tense and, and of course, and these shantee houses obviously washed away by flaps. or we've had people who

have been in buried alive by the flashing in the province. we have people who are dying ship files because that would easily cause the fire. so then this is the kind of life that black majority is out of the candy. and you talk about how they're threatened by, by nature, but they're also threatened by violent evictions in 2020 your organization reported that a private security firm acting on behalf of the quine municipality carried out illegal evictions using live ammunition. several people in the community were hospitalized . 1 and this is just one example of many, oh, where do people go after eviction when they have no way to go? and that's why we, we, we encourage our existence and which is called in. and because we have no way, if you, if we leave the lender occupied, do we have nowhere else to go. but it is unfortunate and anonymously,

it is very unfortunate that a government that is supposed to be a pro pu up the government that is supposed to take care of the government. it promised a better life for us in our periods during before about 8 am today. is the very same going to do that is doing frankie and what's the big government was doing to our parents when they 1st moved him. i took their cd. so we are based with the government that does that, and they are prepared to shoot and kill for such. and if not, they will use, you know, kind of a and see at branch lives to deal with those. well, you're paying let for somebody else to buy in land for somebody. there have been proposals in government to expropriate and re distribute land to address racial land inequality most recently there was one in december of 2021. the proposals all

failed. who is blocking the redistribution of land to black residence and why and infiltration of land without compensation for us as a movement, we have said that it would fade because he did say in many ways, it is like taking land from the white any and getting into black any because it does not speak directly to the people on the account. we believe that people on the ground must be done. voices off. this expectation is it must not be something that is in parliament because what is what they might have been a means of africa. we don't have to a and seen pounds. and the other thing that we, we do think lead with the effect of the land must be in the hands of government for the benefit of the people. we know that it doesn't happen in a corrupt government. he do a steel b, m, a black and leaks, and the black and he would be have control over it that the agency next political

we try to address the issue and, and in this country. and it is only when the people organized from below that we can try to be able to extricate lead without organization discuss the payload will help me. thank you so much for joining me on up front. thank you. in a much, been a great pleasure. ah, more than half a 1000000 americans are currently experiencing homelessness. when the corporate 19 pandemic hit millions of people lost their jobs, prompting the federal government to place a moratorium on evictions. but that was a short term moratorium that really didn't do enough to just the crisis or did it. and what happens next now that those protections are nearly all gone to any me to discuss this are rob robinson member of the campaign to restore national housing rights in beth melanie, the director of legal aids eviction defense project. thank you both for joining me, beth. and want to start with you when the photo or more time on evictions ended on

august 26th of last year. but many people predicted that we would see a so called eviction soon army. but so far, most of the data indicates that didn't happen. why? i think the main reason we're seeing this in the district of columbia is that the federal government came in with hundreds of millions of dollars of rental assistance. and so that helped in dc, we've had about $400000000.00 in rental assistance, distributed to landlords on behalf of tenants. and so it may have just kind of held off on a su nami, that's gradually gonna come. maybe it's not going to be a sin nami, but it's going to play out over time. but that money has made a huge difference. well, that there's actually encouraging news it, despite the fact that the data, at least seems come somewhat encouraging. the fact remains that in 6 states of 31 cities of the organization eviction lab tracks those places and more than 8000 people have been evicted in the past week alone does the perception that the snobby

never happened. make the work of advocating for housing rights actually more difficult. i think it does. i'm. i agree with beth that there was federal money to sort of slow. that's an ami, but i think certain states play out different. we've had stronger protections in new york, which ended january 15, 2020 till our protections in new york was stronger than the federal protections. however, we just had a protest in front of bronze house in court in new york because there are 20000 cases in the hopper ready to be activated and started evicting people, you know, in bronx new york. but i, i think in other places around the country, similar is going to happen. we will see once the courts open up, we will see a rush to with it in speaking of courts. beth, when the supreme court blocked an extension on the eviction moratorium. many understandably responded in protest, but the court sent the moratorium was want to continue. it had to come from congress. does the court have appoint? ah, it doesn't seem unreasonable to many that congress should be making the laws mean

that is the legislative branch branch. i'm again, should we be putting some pressure on congress for this? so, sure, of course we should be pressure in congress at, but congress has made the laws. so congress has passed laws that say the center for disease control. and prevention has certain authority to act, including in an emergency. congress has made laws about the health care system and health care workers, you know, being vaccinated, those kinds of things. and so the point is, congress has acted and said, we have this huge nation. we have all these different actors trying to protect health, and we're going to give agencies some authority to act when they need to quickly on the ground, knowing what's happening on the ground best. but what do you do with those who do end up in court as one judge put it? it's pretty clear who could do something about this problem. the courts don't make the laws, you're the director of legal aids eviction defense project. you represent client for landlord tenant issues in washington dc, right here where we are, are there ways to protect tenants in courts that don't necessarily require

legislative perform? absolutely, and our court and d. c has done some of these things, i'll mention a few things. so before the pandemic landlord tenant court d c, you would have 15200 tenants showing up in the morning at 9 10 am. they're there for the whole day missing work having to deal with child care. and sometimes just didn't come because of those issues. also, the tenants didn't have to be served court papers whole week before the court date . so i didn't, you know, that you have to go to court in a week. you have to make all these arrangements. you may not be able to do it. so our city council has changed the law. so you have to get 30 days notice before the 1st court hearing, but what the court has been doing is scheduling hearings and one hour blocks. and so, you know, that's your hour, the court has allowed proceedings to be remote and really as committed to continuing to allow that. so if you need to be at home and come to court, if it's just kind of a status hearing or something where there's not gonna be testimony, there's not gonna be a trial. you can do that from your home. so i don't necessarily have to choose

between, for example, childcare eggs that are going important to protect my whole. right. when they learn new york city could barely make ends meet. and i'm just give you an example when she worry that she might lose her family home after her tenants stop paying rent, it left her short $70000.00 to cope with the loss of income as a result of the eviction moratorium. some local landlords are selling their property to institutional investors many way that this will only mean higher rents and fewer options for the very people. the moratorium affects the victim moratorium was supposed to help. ah, does support for local landlords need to be a bigger part of the conversation definitely needs to be a big part. and i think the movement, the right to counsel coalition and housing justice for all have made that clear in new york city and new york state that is deaf part of their struggle. they support the small landlords, what they are arguing against, as a bigger landlord, to use eviction court as a factory to mass produce evictions. because we have things like rent control in new york if i can get the tenant out. and so some places keep it empty for 2 years

in new york. right? control goes away, then i bring it back as a market rent apartment, right? so we need to preserve, you know, those rent controlled apartment. so i do think the movements, any of the social justice graduates community support those small landlords, but we also need to get a wake up call from our elected officials. the other thing i want to just add to, i think beth makes a significant point about the number of cases in the particular court. if a judge and this is not unusual in new york has 100 eviction cases on the desk. and on a given day can be mass production man, i'm going to get these cases of my desk as fast as possible. and that's what a problem. i agree, we need to slow that process, definitely slow the process down, but also again focused on these local landlords. there was a, a survey done and it showed that 23 percent of small landlords only between $1.00 and $3.00 single family homes plan to sell at least one property due to the

difficulties caused by the eviction band. and again, they're not selling to other small landlords, right? they're selling to big companies who can afford to wait out the game or to just take whatever hits in order to raise the rate and push other people out. what do we do? so rental assistance, i think has been a big part of writing this i, you know, i think small landlords potentially should be looked at differently. i will say small landlords however, i think something we have to keep in mind. they are the ones we often see in the district who are having tenants living in terrible conditions. they are threatening tenants. they are doing things that are illegal. they are locking tenants out. and so i think it's really important to have that full picture that mana size a small locally enjoy. and there are 2 sides that should be look, you know, small businesses are a form of wealth creation, so forth and communities and for people of color. and we need to have that full picture. i think it's important to keep in mind there's another side to that story . and so in d. c, we have

a small landlord lobby and they actually have been kind of the most vocal, the most vitriolic in fighting against any protections for tenants. and so it's just important to keep all these things and balance. look at the picture overall when we try to come up with solutions. that's an important part because i think we would all agree, insecure housing as a problem. even people on the extremes of each political party would say, yeah, on house people is not a good thing that the problem is agreeing on a solution to this, patrick, that's where you go. and it was a subject, for example, donald trump, to blame democrats, right? but it's also something that's the bites of the democratic party. also, it doesn't seem like the people who are hearing from the most or the people who are catching the most pain from the right people who are actually experiencing housing insecurity. so talking about what we're getting wrong now and again, you're speaking someone formally unhealthy. what from what, what from your own experiences, shapes, how you want to say in addition to being in the shelter and understand the shelter

system, what else being brought to the table in my voice? nattering right, have a, have a voice in the decision making policy. the problem is you tend to romanticize that individual voice. you need more voices like mine and others to come to the table. what kind of voices romanticize that was the person pulling up by the bootstrap is the person so here his rob, right? so rob came from a family, right. he was once living in you know, middle class america, right? family stable family. he went homeless for 2 and a half years spent 10 months in the shelter found his way out. anybody can do it. no, not anybody can do it right. i had an infrastructure around me. i had knowledge of how it was to live non homeless, many of the folks who was suffering, who lived in poverty and struggle their lives. so they need help. you can just pick yourself up by your bootstraps, you need support, right? and your voice needs to be heard in your voice needs the matter. so when you make those decisions, when you're in front of a politician who's signing off on legislation,

who knows nothing about homelessness, doesn't make any sense to me. i once said to mayor bloomberg in new york because i was bought to a table with 30 individuals who were going to address the housing problem in new york. and i asked him before it started may bloomberg to jump asleep on a piece of cardboard. he looked at me bemused. i asked him again, he says, i don't understand what you mean. i said what i mean as you have a bunch of people around the stable, who never went through this issue. but then making decisions about the meeting ended abruptly. when the meeting was brought back, 6 months later, the table was divided. 505050 with decision makers 50. what people would lived experience. well, those voices have to be brought to the table they have to manner. and they have to be part of that decision making process with rob, thank you so much for joining me on upfront ranking with everybody that is our show up front, we'll be back next to the

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