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mona. nobody is an honor, is an obligation, it commits me, and you can all, no more count on me to implement this project for progress on did more openness and friendship in independence and european independence, which we have defended throughout this campaign. in missouri, jeremy, this premier meal director, i would like to thank the millions of voters have given me their trust and with humility, i have hope for the recovery of the nation. it was clear from miss 1st round, that our mission is to go against divisions and maintain social justice against the divisions of emanuel mac, ron, to support the nation, the people. and so i'll be fighting against him. i want to have a responsible debate for the french people. tens of thousands of people, a bond to the call by pockets dawns former prime minister, him run con, to protest against his removal from office con, treated this video,
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and thank the supporters for opposing what he calls, respect regime change to bring a country of bible crooks to power, parliament will select his replacement on monday, ukraine's president whether man, the lensky says he spoken to the german chancellor about imposing more functions on russia. officials say they found graves with the bodies of dozens of civilians in the village of those of next year. the russian forces have withdrawn from the area and the sight of another mass grave endure, chest specially designated ukrainian war crimes. prosecutors and forensic experts exempt 9 more bodies in total and there says the engine $20000000070.00 confirm up front is next. her not just hear the latest news as it breaks, thought into the opposition. the only the forward is abiding by democratic norms and the root of law in pakistan. we detailed coverage all throughout her pain. you
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see sites like this seems of heavy artillery showing those almost near complete destruction from around the world. so many people want to go trusted strong leader at a time of crisis hundreds of thousands of americans are experiencing homelessness, and as eviction protections enacted during the pandemic come to an end. many worry that the crisis will worsen. but how do you solve a problem when politicians, even within their own party, can't seem to agree on a way forward. that conversation is coming up. but 1st, south africa is the most unequal country in the world. $30000000.00 people are living in poverty while the top 10 percent of the population own 86 percent of total net. well, the results high levels of housing and food insecurity. fighting against evictions and for land better housing and the dignity of the poor is a check. well, as movement called the avalon basi, i'm john de la. they are the largest grassroots organization of the land was poor
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in post apartheid south africa that they faced dangerous and sometimes fatal consequences for their activism. just last month, 2 members were killed and what the group says were politically motivated assassinations, this weeks headliner to palomo happy. the secretary general of the abilene boss image on the loop with the pelham will help you. thank you so much for joining me on up front. you are the secretary general of abeline bus image on the low by lately, members of your organization have been facing threats. physical attacks in early march to members, a yonder, in gila and c, a bongo mac, welly were actually killed. your movement has said that the killings were carried out by people connected to the africa national congress, the current governing party. they of course, have rejected these claims. why has your movement face that violent repression when you're fighting for what are seemingly uncontroversial things, a basic human rights, housing, food, and things like that?
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mom's middle school and still in 5, my son wasn't. dondo stands for a excess land for the poor and my son lives in this country. that generation, we on a forgotten generation, we live under buried in human conditions in the ship settlements. we have no access to what we have no access to sunny station. beth, is that reality to be faced as the people who are in checks in south africa post about this figure. and i'll find that did not fight for these. nelson mandela did not fight for they forced for us to have a better life than and before about it. i and angela india owned a young man who was please, it was needing a new shooting to call the twin life of if you kind of all over the where and instead of crazed in such a brilliant leadership, the n c, c, z and b, i. and i'm, you know, as an enemy, because he's a poor, i'm young man who is from the settlement informal agreement who's organizing
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outside of the states. we can say that the people have been killed by disability amc because in 2016 to what kind of the amc were convicted and sentenced to life in prison. and right now, as i speak to you, they are saving, lack in prison, in the minimum stock prison for having queued, one of our own attributes. so we are queued because exposing corruption. we have queued because we are exposing corruption when it comes to our location of houses that are built by government for the poor. but in state officials in municipalities, in the form of what kinds of dollars are sitting, use houses to meet people who do not want to bypass and going to the banks. but the houses get a mentor to put a stop to poor. i've given to people who do not exempt them and you find that homelessness continues to no,
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don't stay for us. and we are living under useful and home that i'm in very, in human condition. i wanna window a topic. i want to talk to you about about housing for sure. but i don't want to skip past this question of the a and c being directly involved. ah, in these killings, you've talked about killings for which members are people connected to the a and c have been arrested convicted in sentence, but the answer is also rejected. ah, quite formerly the insinuation that is involved in the systemic elimination of abala ali button mon jolla, leaders and members, in fact, the spokesperson for the agency in causal the natal, where the killings took place that we referenced said you cannot say the a and c has killed people or the agency has sent people to kill other people. if you have got evidence that so and so killed your leader or member, you have an obligation to go to the police and open a case and give evidence otherwise going out in issuing statements that a and c killed people are is reckless. and when we're talking about these killings,
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particularly the ones in early march, oh, what evidence do you have? what can you offer? ah, to substantiate the claim that they were killed by a and by the agency where the n c is and government and we're not saying that's the, the agency is, is, is, is killing the people who are using the name of the amc and the entry should come out and say, don't people are not representing us. so the person who has been behind in the attic of the community in canada, and you know, in the end, adding people, they're taking people, letting people is an agency chief who sam's in the executive branch of the a and c and use is the name of the amc, so the answer, if they're not involved, they should be the one who are condemning these. in fact, we've never had them condemned window to what counselors and no statement issued when the toward counselors re we added it. so you, we have proof of to a and c position a today,
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daisy never even leaves the statement. so we have been reporting cases. and the cases of that to you know, what comes on us. where to put it re investigated. and they thought they were found to be guilty, but some of the cases are in fact we have the more and the commission or the commission that goes investigating political killings and wasn't that. and we went into it and brought for some evidence. and today we have to wait, but you know, you are fighting against a government and that is investigating and i want to get to the root of this question of land, which you referenced a moment ago. because one of the main promises opposed to part time south africa was to redistribute land to black south africans, we've been forcibly removed from the land during the apartheid regime. can you talk about the breakdown of land ownership in south africa today? who benefits from access to urban life in an opportunity when the issue of
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medicines, i don't think that is did a major crisis. i don't think that's the, the, the, the legislation that we are put in place and have done any justice shorting against . i mean, we are talking about 27 years later since the amc has been in power that he had to impersonate myself. can, can claim that can not claim that their own level does come. and while the 10 percent and each wides, who, where privilege during the update can continue to own the majority of the land and just country we and we are just landless. we have no future. amen. i inherited to the shed settlement i leave, and the ship that i live in is a ship that belongs to my parents. so we in heavies, poverty, we're asking poor is deflect a people who just country. the majority of black people still suffer. the consequences of living and that is in human conditions where we are face with files in from our sentiment and where we want to know, how does this, how does this happen? right? been
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a post apartheid moment. many people celebrated the shift in leadership, the face of black president and government officials. and yet i'm hearing you talk about a, a persistent inequality in terms of access to resources, access to land access to housing. how does this happen? when lewis sold this idea that we're going to city and we do have freedom of movement, and i don't, i just, i think that might to excess economy that i had to excess housing data to access to land. that is it that way we can glance food, so we can stop by is not day for black people. a young black peasant like my sam is still saying today that i don't have a place where i can pull it home. and my kids was heading their face, the very same fact if i don't fight today. so that's why we are fighting and saying that we will occupy men we need to when needed to do so because we are doing this
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for our kids. we are doing this for our next generation because it seemed like can be those who have negotiates that during the holidays. i did not discuss that issue of land and which was the most crucial being we went these, pull it off our land, and we have the levy. i'm that these condition that you are living under because the color now the system is still the physically for us. and if you go to a place like cape town, it's very difficult to access defeat you when you are black and, and now we have in no, it's no, no go about the kind of scheme. it's about how much you have so, so you can access the cities. so we will compile land. that is go to the c 2 because we believe that people have been deprived of that i to a bit. can you describe that for me a bit because, you know, i think from audience is benefit you're fighting against evictions,
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you're fighting the access land as you mentioned. and to do so, you are lead occupying vacant and unused lands in urban areas. and you're trying to sort of bill communities in, inside the spaces out there in formal settlements. basically, what do they look like? who's in them, or how are they structured when the infamous settlements are shenzi houses built out of wood out of desperation because we have no other ways of occupying let em. because so sometimes we are forced to forcibly removed by the answer and envision when each done investments, as well as the am in july, respected that and see where people are to move into gunpoint. and some of them have been killed during the process. and by the way, we lost 22, it took us, you know, about some jumbo and since 2009 when we are being a tent and, and of course, and these shenzi houses obviously washed away by flaps. or we've had people who
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have been in, you know, getting their lives by the flags. and in the province we have people who are dying share files because they're, which is because the fire. so then this is the kind of life that black majority is out of the candy and you talk about how they're threatened by, by nature, but they're also threatened by violent evictions in 2020 your organization reported that a private security firm acting on behalf of the at a quine municipality carried out illegal evictions using live ammunition. several people in the community were hospitalized. 1 and this is just one example of many, oh, where do people go after eviction when they have no way to go? and that's why we, we, we encourage all existence and which is called in this is because we have no way if you, if we leave the lender occupied, do we have nowhere else to go. but it is unfortunate as it is very unfortunate,
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is that a government that is supposed to be a pro co, that government that is supposed to take care of the government. it promised a better life for us. and our opinions tutoring before about 8 am today is the same government to do that is doing at frankie. and what's the about big government was doing to our parents when they 1st moved in. i took their cd. so we are based with the government that does that, and they're prepared to shoot and key for such. and if not, they will use, you know, kind of a and see at branch lives to deal with those. well, you're paying let for somebody else to buy and land for somebody. there have been proposals in government to expropriate and redistribute land to address racial land inequality most recently there was one in december of 2021. the proposals all
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failed. who is blocking the redistribution of land to black residence and why? and the explanation of land without compensation for us as a movement, we are state that it will fade because he gets trade in many ways. it is like taking land from the wagon and giving it to black any because it does not speak directly to the people underground. we believe that people on the ground must be done. voices of this expectation is it must not be something that is in parliament because what is what they might have been a frequent. we don't know a cast a and seen pounds. and the other thing that we, we do think lead with is the fact that the land must be in the hands of government for the benefit of the people. we know that it doesn't happen in a corrupt government. he to a steel b, m b into black and leaks, and the black and he would be have control over it. that the is the next political
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we try to address the issue of and landing this country. and it is only when the people organized from below that we can try to be able to extra credit learn without organization, discuss the payload will help me. thank you so much for joining me on up front. thank you. it must be a great pleasure. ah, more than half a 1000000 americans are currently experiencing homelessness. when the coven 19 pandemic hit millions of people lost their jobs, prompting the federal government to place a moratorium on evictions. but that was a short term oratory that really didn't do enough to just the crisis or did it. and what happens next now that those protections are nearly all gone to any me to discuss this r rob robinson, member of the campaign to restore national housing rights in beth melanie, the director of legal aids eviction defense project. thank you both for joining me, beth. i'm going to start with you when the front oh or more time on evictions ended
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on august 26th of last year. but many people predicted that we would see a so called eviction soon army. but so far, most of the data indicates that didn't happen. why, i think the main reason we're seeing this in the district of columbia is that the federal government came in with hundreds of millions of dollars of rental assistance. and so that helped. i'm in dc, we've had about $400000000.00 and rental assistance distributed to landlords on behalf of tenants. and so it may have just kind of held off on us to nami, that's gradually gonna come. maybe it's not going to be a see now me, but it's going to play out over time. but that money has made a huge difference. well, that there's actually encouraging news it despite the fact that the data at least seems kind of someone encouraging. the fact remains that in 6 states, 31 cities of the organization, eviction lab tracks those places, and more than 8000 people have been evicted in the past week alone. does the perception that never happen. make the work of advocating for housing rights
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actually more difficult. i think it does. i agree with beth that there was federal money to sort of slow. that's an army. but i think certain states play a different. we've had stronger protections in new york, which ended january 15, 2020 till our protections in new york was stronger than the federal protections. however, we just had a protest in front of bronx house and called in new york because there are 20000 cases in napa, ready to be activated and started directing people, you know, in bronx new york. but i, i think in other places around the country similar is going to happen. we will see once the courts open up, we will see a rush toward that speaking of courts when the supreme court blocked an extension on the eviction moratorium. many understandably responded in protest. but the court said it more time was going to continue. it had to come from congress. does the court have a point? it doesn't seem unreasonable to many that congress should be making the law. that
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is the legislative branch branch. again, should we be putting some pressure on congress for this? so sure, of course we should be pressure in congress at, but congress has made the laws. so congress has passed laws that say the center for disease control. and prevention has certain authority to act, including an emergency. congress has made laws about the health care system and health care workers, you know, being vaccinated and those kinds of things. and so the point is, congress has acted and said, we have this huge nation. we have all these different actors trying to protect health, and we're going to give agencies some authority to act when they need to quickly on the ground, knowing what's happening on the ground best. but what do you do with those who do end up in court as one judge put it? it's pretty clear who could do something about this problem. the courts don't make the laws. you're the director of legal aids eviction defense project that you represent. clients for landlord tenant issues in washington dc right here where we are, are there ways to protect tenants in courts that don't necessarily require legislative
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perform? absolutely, and our court and d. c has done some of these things, i'll mention a few things. so before the pandemic landlord tenant court, and d c, you would have a 15200 tenants showing up in the morning at 9 10 am. they're there for the whole day missing work having to deal with child care. and sometimes just didn't come because of those issues. also, the tenants didn't have to be served court papers whole week before the court date . so i didn't, you know, that you have to go to court in a week. you have to make all these arrangements. you may not be able to do it. so our city council has changed the law. so you have to get 30 days notice before the 1st court hearing, but what the court has been doing is scheduling hearings and one hour blocks. and so, you know, that's your hour, the court has allowed proceedings to be remote and really as committed to continuing to allow that. so if you need to be at home and come to court, if it's just kind of a status hearing or something where there's not gonna be testimony, there's not gonna be a trial. you can do that from your home. so i don't necessarily have to choose
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between, for example, childcare eggs that are going important. protecting my whole plaint when they learn new york city could barely make ends meet. and i'm just give you an example when she worry that she might lose her family home after her tenants stop paying rent, it left her short $70000.00 to cope with the loss of income as a result of the eviction moratorium. some local landlords are selling their property to institutional investors many way that this will only mean higher rents and fewer options for the very people, the moratorium of the victim moratorium was supposed to help. ah, does support for local landlords need to be a bigger part of the conversation definitely needs to be a big part. and i think the movement, the right to counsel coalition and housing justice for all have made that clear in new york city and new york state that is deaf part of their struggle. they support the small landlords, what they are arguing against, as a bigger landlord, to use eviction court as a factory to mass produce evictions. because we have things like rent control in new york if i can get the tenant out. and so some places keep it empty for 2 years
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in new york. right? control goes away, then i bring it back as a market rent apartment, right? so we need to preserve, you know, those rent controlled apartment. so i do think the movements, any of the social justice graduates community support those small landlords, but we also need to get a wake up call from our elected officials. the other thing i want to just add to, i think beth makes a significant point about the number of cases in a particular court book. if a judge in this is not unusual in new york has 100 eviction cases on the desk. and on a given day can be mass production man, i'm going to get these cases of my desk as fast as possible. and that's what it a problem. i agree, we need to slow that process, definitely slow the process down, but also again focused on these local landlords. there was a, a survey done and it showed that 23 percent of small landlords only between one in 3 single family homes plan to sell at least one property due to the difficulties
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caused by the eviction band. and again, they're not selling to other small landlords, right? they're selling to big companies who can afford to wait out the game or to just take whatever hits in order to raise the rate and push other people out. what do we do? so rental assistance, i think has been a big part of writing this i, you know, i think small landlords potentially should be looked at differently. i will say small landlords however, i think something we have to keep in mind. they are the ones we often see in the district who are having tenants living in terrible conditions. they are threatening tenants. they are doing things that are illegal. they are locking tenants out. and so i think it's really important to have that full picture that got to a man a size, a small local lawyer. and there are 2 sides that actually have, look, you know, small businesses are a form of wealth creation, so forth and communities and for people of color. and we need to have that full picture. i think it's important to keep in mind there's another side to that story . and so in d. c, we have
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a small landlord lobby and they actually have been kind of the most vocal, the most vitriolic in fighting against any protections for tenants. and so it's just important to keep all these things and balance, look at the picture overall when we try to come up with solutions, that's an important, right? because i think we would all agree, insecure housing as a problem. even people on the extremes of each political party would say, yeah, on house people is not a good thing that the problem is agreeing on a solution to this. that's where you go. and it was a subject for example, but donald trump, to blame democrats, right? but it's also something if the vice of in the democratic party also it doesn't seem like the people who were hearing from the most or the people who are catching the most pain from the right people who are actually experiencing housing insecurity. so talking about what we're getting wrong now and again, you're speaking someone formally unhealthy. what from what, what from your own experiences, shapes, how you understand in addition to being in the shelter and understand the shelter
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system, what else being brought to the table in my voice? nattering right, have a have a voice in the decision making policy. the problem is you tend to romanticize that individual voice. you need more voices like mine and others to come to the table. what kind of voices romanticize that was the person pulling up by the bootstrap is the person. so a hair his rob? right? so rob came from a family, right. he was once living in, you know, middle class america, right? families stable family. he went homeless for 2 and a half years spent 10 months on the shelf. a found his way out. anybody can do it now than anybody can do it. right. i had an infrastructure around me. i had knowledge of how it was to live non homeless. many of the folks who was suffering had lived in poverty and struggle their lives. so they need help. you can't just pick yourself up by your bootstraps, you need support, right? and your voice needs to be heard and your voice needs the matter. so when you make those decisions, when you're in front of a politician who's signing off on legislation,
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who knows nothing about homelessness, doesn't make any sense to me. i once said to me, a bloomberg in new york because i was bought to a table with 30 individuals who were going to address the housing problem in new york. and i asked him before it started may have bloomberg to jump asleep on a piece of cardboard. he looked at me bemused. i asked him again, he says, i don't understand what you mean. i said, what i mean is you have a bunch of people around the stable, who never went through this issue, but then making decisions about the meeting ended abruptly. when the meeting was brought back 6 months later, the table was divided. 505050 with decision makers, 50 what people when lived experience. well, those voices have to be brought to the table they have to manner, and they have to be part of that decision making process with rob, thank you so much for joining me on upfront with everybody that is our show up front, we'll be back next to the
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