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and at times dangerous were some, it's their only hope to provide for themselves and their families. ma, trina, elder, 0 tripoli, that of the roman catholic church is appealed for peace around the world as easter celebrations come to an end. hope frances repeatedly mentioned the fighting in ukraine and spoke of an easter of war. he called for an end to the war, prayed for the people in new crane. it's the vatican, his 1st major easter service. since the start of the corona, laura's pandemic on what did they like? yes, ah, it is good to leave with us. hello adrian. so they can hear in though how the headlines are 0. russia has carried up missile attacks in parts of western and southern ukraine. for rockets hit the city of levine, killing 7 people and wounding 11 rushes. president vladimir putin has told a televised, meeting of top economic officials that western sanctions about firing. he says that moscow is withstanding what he describes as an economic blitzkrieg by the u. s. and
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europe. ukraine, as president, as taking a step towards joining the european union, valadez lensky as handed over a completed e. you questionnaire as part of a campaign to quickly get to you membership. go so you, we understand this is a formal step of ukraine towards the european union. we understand how people had been mentally in europe for a long time, with their hearts and souls there. nevertheless, every country must take this path. unfortunately, we're going through it during such a tragic period. many people with european mentalities are losing their lives on this path. you ministers have been sworn in 2 weeks out. israel anchors entire cabinet resigned. it's the latest defense to qual, weeks of protests against the government. dozens of people have been arrested after a 4th. they have riots in sweden. violence has been triggered by a far right groups, plans to burn copies of the koran. in muslim neighborhoods. a number of
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palestinians of been injured during dawn raids carried up by his worthy forces in the occupied west bank. oh that a dozen people have been arrested in villages near janine and ramallah palestinian groups say that they were detained on charges of resisting the occupation and taken to investigation camps. iran is warning israel, little face of military action if it makes any move against the country. the iranian president says that israel is being watched closely and will be targeted by the armed forces in response to any aggression. shide is economy has beaten forecasts in the 1st quarter of 2020 to expanding 4.8 percent. but figures show that it's at risk of a shop slow down to the next few months because of the crane war. and corona virus clamp towns, those are the headlines, more news feel al jazeera, of the inside story coming up next. ah
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more can moodle violence and hate speech in india and the prime minister under pressure to stop the opposition parties are accusing him of staying silence. but will he act what will be to fall out of rising hate speech on in these future? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm kim vanelle. india's history contain centuries of diversity and coexistence between different groups. but it's present times are marked by
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violence and hate speech against minorities. some politicians, especially those with ties to the governing b, j. p. party, are accused of inciting and promoting that violence, indian and global human rights watch dog. se the frequency of attacks has been on the rise since 2014 the year in to render mowdy became prime minister. some opposition parties accuse him of ignoring the issue, and they're wanting modi the fall out, could devastate india's cultural diversity. india, 13 main opposition party, signed a statement saying we are extremely concerned with the growing incidence of hate speech in the country by people who appear to have official patronage against her know meaningful and strong action is being taken. we strongly condemn the recent outburst of communal violence, witness to cross several states. we are deeply concerned, as reports indicate that there is a sinister pattern in the areas where these incidents have occurred. incendiary hate speeches, proceeded. the aggressive armed were the just processions,
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unleashing communal violence or hindu hotline news of how meetings to discuss rising tensions around hate speech directed against muslims in recent days. a space of incidence around the hindu festival of romney army have led to violence in some states. and india supreme court, his hearing a motion for political valleys that promote hate speech to be stopped. ah, i had led spring and i'll guess from you dally, sit onto maternal bahati 2, not a party leader and author of our assess building india through say we're from washington dc. i'm run a med founder and ceo of the center for countering digital hate. and also from delhi sub nacley and independent journalist. thank you very much for joining us here on inside story. i'd love to start with you some not for you. if i may, as have been saying, dozens of videos have been going viral and social media since sunday, showing processions of hindu men some with sticks,
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some with swords stopping it was a neighbourhood. basically, looking to prover kate to scare, to intimidate, just give our international audience a sense of, of, of what the situation is right now. how bad is it? oh, it's august. it ended. oh, there is a rush. it speech. oh, it recessions. oh, they are targeting more, they going stand out the most that you can visibly see of members of the procession trying to enter the mosque and res. i'm have a suffering flag. well, with that i've been speeches that me trickling. the re what's been women? it's horrific. it's unprecedented. the other country return, no community violence between communities, but what is being allowed. these incidents have taken place and 7 indians states as many as 7 in indian state. and this follows also providing all for the job
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address, all of a section of the wisdom community of christian or what alon meet. if one of them is this, that's the constant gun building right now. there's constant mobilization on identity issues and mobilizing shit in a way which is gary and verifying what indian was good, which is a very, very large minority on one of the larger populations and the one of the muslim community. i love, that's what i want to cross. i have a tier 2 in my 3rd who has a very particular specialization in the things that happen online trolling identity based tape misinformation, conspiracy theories, modern extremism. mister art med, how does hate speech take such a hold? where it boils over into physical violence, as we've seen it happening from, from
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a psychological standpoint. how does it take hold like that? well, i think one of the things to remember is that the people using social media human beings and the messages they're receiving on line, they are absorbing and using in the offline life too. and that seems sort of axiomatic. and i'm pretty straightforward. pretty obvious, really, when you think about it and gum, and the moment has shown a real aptitude for using the various tools. the digital platforms, primarily based in the united states, primarily using a united states rule set, an enforcement of rules, a very poor enforcement that rules to be frank, have given them, which the ability to mass presented dies misinformation and hatred to tens of millions of people. hundreds of millions of people, very rapid speed, 0 cost. that's why these platforms, which are, of course,
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incredibly cheap to use. but it's really nothing also powerful as a mechanism for manipulation of the public. and we'll talk about what letter about what's being done to try and calm that but for now i'd like to cross over to sit down to the house that on to macau. rather, excuse me, the ruling b j party has been accused of not just allowing this, but of encouraging it hate speech, communal violence as a member of that party. what's your assessment? what's your reaction? i would just be judged, i'll trace. but before i do, that's what i heard from somebody my fif spectacles. it is the most of a fight o lie, which is there to provoke a billy charge environment. look how lifting lyft, criminal in the her outburst against the people who have been further evidence. now
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here is a hindu festival. victor thinks it and does a show by out of which is great. no stones are a big lincoln sticking nice, the profession as a day and look who does she want to rent? she wants to blend the people who are celebrating bit under the system. it is this letter, this is the because it is okay, what is happening. but i have a lot of them has been documented video. i believe we have, we have the video, we had this gone, ruskin world. now like why, why this one with you? what, right, why that when we do have interest in the field where you have more storing stones, where people are, are citing and the police that force them right in with their stepping. haven't you seen all good i you rejected. i can, i just ask the question, i get rejecting, excuse me, can you, are you rejecting out, right? that there is any discrimination. camino violence happening targeting the
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minorities which are in this case are talking. uh huh. absolutely. so you don't have a signal to clear is addicted out, right? right. i detected outside and let, let them know when one gentlemen belong to me, you know, he was making a hasty, she was at a seat and he was not to be. but if you have a right, none of you, this is completely wrong that i have the document just miss shows that he was in due for tomorrow to not sorry, it would mean both for 2 months. right. right. yeah, he was and, and you have a girl who may be, he says to me for that i can only handle, he's out and he's been acquitted by us, which is do it. ok. so please don't remember. the problem is, you know, philip being instead of a boat denying anybody who this lawyer is on her,
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the king size, big a picture to be shimming. yeah. it is a true case that law for anybody who works has to be brought it, be the hindus be the most for him. nobody has the privilege of picking lawyers on her show. and can you imagine a vaughn you are saying that you do not think that there is such thing as targeted violence happening from hindu nationalist against them? was the minority. you just do not think it's happening. there's nothing i think going to actually right. i mean, a fight what, what do we new nationalist? what am i not mostly know what i'm talking about. natalie? what's being called a hindu supremacist ideology. 7 not the i'm not isn't bring you and just get your reaction to that. if i may look, i say that the issue of saving constitution, india is a secular country. we have
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a fabulous constitution, and there is of course denial. there is a we are told in and they are the sort of the social media messaging is back in lieu of being attacked by muslims are attacking, induced to get them to get it. the wife lives to stop, to raise questions on them, on their food, on their address. no, but they are, they dissolve it, they are provoking it anyway. that's kind of difficult to all of on the right thing . i be on the d and i do not want to, i have a fight or it's, it's gone beyond that, the situation is bad. it just deliberated. it is not being stopped and it is been, it's 7 or, you know, university in the early one of the best university students won't be do not for eating me on a particular day. because a section of this to with you, we are doing
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a good job. we are so you can on the meet, even though there is no about it beyond that horns of muslims and the state of my dish had been demolished on the ground, a day to stones at a procession passing through. now if you give me a little bit of time in the, i was all negotiating the, from the time of the partition and up on dish and the processions going to certain areas. there was always a protocol for it. it was not allowed. the police will not allow certain decisions to go to certain areas. are there other communities live on that it does not happen anymore. what the police does is that these processions which are abusing a particular community which are defaming their own religion. by the way, if you're the kind of language nor religion can be about that you have these groups just going through these areas of using trying to do this once again and again,
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i'm to climb on to let me just say 2 years ago in delhi, there were right, and as many as 14 mos was docked bond and 14 and then you get this on the record. it was all this more was not big mom in the city, but i knew it happened. you know. ok, so let's start. i'm going to be, i have my, my role is to moderate and make sure that we give we give equal time to all of our panelists. i can see raising our hands down to mattel. what did you want to add? again i said it is this kind of criminal law which is responsible what, what is happening to be look at a stake over the sun, which is good, very good, should not be good and you have to professionally the professions are given permission by congress. and she wants to limit for this, you know, besides she, the muslim and this kind of them in us out, both against him was like me to,
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for corporate, the looking how to will communicate. she is giving them a feeling good. give me a, give me a, have given one free work for the hills. sure, because you should have said everybody. i think we can have it. we can try and give me a rough time. we can try and have a constructive debate. we have southern, not the on as an independent journalist, her religion or otherwise is not, is not part of this discussion. i'd like to cross over now to him. and i said if i may, are people, and i'm not just talking about india, i'm talking about in general, are people manipulated to increase polarization or a r r act is capitalizing on fair and anger that already exists?
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well, i mean, one of the things that change the last few years is the elevation of which differs us from that. what unites us, the elevation as well in negative part is on ships, the amount of campaigning, which is based on hatred of another. and that's primarily based on the fact that we've shifted a lot of the schools, a lot of political discussion to platforms that specifically target and amplify elevate that, which is most contentious because it's contentious, keeps us on the platforms. over 10 years we've been build them, experiment around the world as to what would happen if we work 4500000000 people and then increase the temperature and you get the kind of, you know, you see negative partisanship writing around the world. people hate the other party more than they like their own. you see, you see the, this is the competitive advantage that have full speech kids to political parties.
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and this is just this, this is an f b, phenomenal desiccated debate right now. at the phenomena of a broader problem. and in one respect, listening to sort of you know, one side which is essentially if, if for example, the indian government didn't care about hate speech, then it would be doing a lot more than it's doing at the moment. i mean, his argument seems to be, we're doing nothing to either solve or to or to accept the bait you can believe for yourself whether or not you believe that's true. i mean, i'm, of course, that comes with a set of political behaviors. i mean, we've seen this play that this could be ukraine right now. this could be a putin puppet. talking right now on one side of the ukrainian activists. on the other side. this could be democrats and republicans on the trump. it could be bred
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and remain it 6 years ago when i 1st started studying this topic. it could be right now, support your pen, well macaroni from desiccated amelia, a trope, now that we pull out a defender of hatred on social media and someone who represents the victims of that hatred on sex. when in fact, focusing on is that social media itself. the dynamics and the economics, the underpin the dynamics of those platforms is the problem. no matter what sort of pound shot putin has to say about it. i want to ask you, raise the very good point and made some very good analogies. i'd like to ask you some nacley, what has the indian government done or not done? what has no render? moody said about this issue. after the recent run the while and you said nothing. i've been on the wrist today in the leader of the but
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i just like to make one point i'm, i'm a political journalist, i have a book out of the i've interviewed the prime minister beyond what i even interviewed mr. in the movie before he became chief minister and he does not get the conferences at all. so i am not somebody it is i have been forced to use my social media presence, my columns to highlight where i think is going wrong in the country. i'm not, i'm not, there's an activist speaking only for the community i'm. there's a journalist watching my constitutional values just get destroyed. so i'd like to make that very good. i know mr. to be, have met each other. i know on most of the people in the b, b are known to me. so you know, so this is not that simple as it some of us are before and use it then this year them was going to use a muslim, you know,
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which is when i have to write it. because like i said, the point, the point is not a use to send in to personal attacks, that this is not the forum. this is a good. so i just want to come back and then and why we put you on the program as an independent journalist, i was want to come back to that question. we hear you want to come back to that question. what has no render modi done to? or what is he said about this whole issue in this time, you said nothing. in fact opposition leaders. a lot of them have issued a letter saying i need to live in the state of permanent or vision. and the prime minister, please speak up and stop this. nothing has been said so far. what he has done in the past years, he has a slogan which go, the sub car starts up got because which means of it all for everyone development for everyone. so that slogan is said that the prime minister represents that is all the b doesn't political messaging, but on the ground,
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all of this happens on this particularly right now in a sort of alarming bee. and on like my all right minded indians and that on many be of any religion are out there, raising this issue today. char santo, rattle. i can say you'd want you want to respond. please go ahead. firstly, the lawyers order is a stitch subject and it is not controlled by the center. so what was said of her by the earliest nicholas about that student is not really think about it, but is a lot in existence. miss spanish, if anything, which is a handful and rich, if beyond be what is guaranteed under the constitution, i'm a little bit of a speech. so that's the 1st one. second. fine, uneasy motley, mr. little movie, the pine, mr. has so many times and then any, any head speed by anybody,
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you only differences, he doesn't make a differentiation. muscle load id lot, take him to him. he says annoying as a right big long little night on he had speech and implemented. norman pinkerton was the moment anybody were lisa law. so as far as constitution is concerned, that the secret book with this government has been already peggy, please understand that these, i think, have taken place in states which are largely government by the opposition law. this time, it has happened in the, on the campus avenue, pulling out a robin in panama development as being on, you know, did the, the state off, oh, oh my go can the, she's never respond to, we're going to happen on, on the situation. so she, you know, don't do not what 3 that this said design by the go me there is the design. give me one statement by the government. i better take on that would be different,
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but disconnected which says, we will permit anybody to pay going on. i live on the phone by the constitution, that's what you propose. she herself has compared to the company, but one person belonging to religious book where he lives with us. i think what i hear what you're saying that that the message is that no one is above the law regardless of their i of their religious beliefs. i hear what you're saying a lot closer to him, right off med rights groups. have asked facebook to release a report into hate speech in india, which commissioned in 2020. it hasn't been released. i want to come back to the central question of how much responsibility does social networks bear? well, they weren't released report because it will be a devastating indictment of that failure to enforce their community standards. and of course, the responsibility i mean when you are aware of a problem,
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when you allow that problem to happen and you continue to get profit from that problem happening, you're pretty liable. i'm you by carelessly full that's been created. i think that's one of the biggest problems that we face in the world right now is that we have a lack of accountability and responsibility for things that are set on line. i mean, every now and then someone will get, pull them to a tv show where they'll blush their at ally about how they haven't been encouraging hate speech. when in fact, everyone knows they have the nesa fact to best social media presence is to increase the amount of threat against the innocent people. i think that we have to look at the actual platforms myself and see how we can hold them accountable in the united states. we have section 2 of the communications decency at $996.00, which actually prohibits platforms from being held liable for 3rd party speech. on the sites and there are a number of different ideas for how that could be changed. for example,
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but liability shield buy removed whether a serious human rights violations or something bad road kind of. for example, the congressman from california has suggested there's even been people saying we should remove that shield entirely. that platform can be held liable because the toll the toll for that indifference and for that lazy, greedy, monetization of hate speech and enabling of hate speech is of course felt in death. it felt in lives lost the pandemic, for example, in which millions of people died. thanks to misinformation spread on that platforms . whether that be the ro hinder muslim in band, whether that be the people of ukraine now, because less enough to get in that conflict ukraine right now. the 1st weapon is the russians deployed, not missiles and times they will, lise and miss information about playable is actually the most sophisticated. the b j. p is one of the biggest super produces of misinformation and lies about muslims
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worldwide. now that has a net effect and i think. 2 like mike, i'm sorry, i have to, we can, we can about, i'm letting him have a say and as the motivator here, you have to accept that he is sharing his analysis with us and do want to me my apologies, but that is time. so we're going to have to leave it there. all right, hey, thank you very much. a toilet, i guess, to don to the towel and run off it and solve a knock for and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and the further discussion go to our facebook page. that is facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversational twitter. i'll handle it at a j inside story for me can be now the whole team here and they'll have a bye for now. ah
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