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since right now, with temperatures as high as 38 degrees celsius and some areas, staff at brazil in the southern city of merida, i've been trying to keep animals cool. especially made frozen treats dozens of states have issued heat and fire warnings. over the past 3 weeks ah, it's good to have you with us. hello, adrian finnegan to hear it though, how that lines on al jazeera, for the 3rd time, a russian deadline for ukrainian soldiers to surrender in the besieged port city of maria pole has passed. the last day of caves, faces set last of caves fights, is there a hold up in a vast steel plant, and they say they were lay down their arms, ukraine's president says they need more weapons to resist russian attacks, but it might be open in order to unblock mario, pull, there are 2 waste, serious, heavy weapons that we are counting on. so far, we don't have enough of these weapons. the 2nd way is diplomatic. so far,
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russia does not agree to this. whatever public signals they make, that they are open, that they'll make exchanges. they continue to play their own games. russia says that it's successfully tested a new intercontinental ballistic missile called the psalm at president vladimir putin says that it will provide food for thought, for those who threaten russia. but the u. s. as the missile test is routine and doesn't pose a threat, the u. n. says that more than 5000000 people have now fled ukraine. more than half of the refugees have ended up in neighboring poland, where the government has given them access to health care and education. fighting has led to europe's biggest refugee crisis since the 2nd world war. in new delhi city officials used bulldozers to raise shops, stalls, and properties. they say are illegal. their actions continued despite india's top court, ordering a halt to the eviction drive. it happened in the gio hang a poorer neighborhood where most of the residents of muslim so lengthens of the,
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again, been protesting in a city near colombo, where a demonstrator was shot dead officers in rumble. kona opened fire at a protest on tuesday, killing one person. and injuring more than 20 others. police put the city under curfew. but the proof protested on defying the ban voters in east timor of elected josie ramos horta. as the new leader of the nobel laureate, got more than 62 percent of the presidential vote defeating incumbent francisco garage at a u. k. judge who was formerly approved next. trish in order for wiki leaks found a julian a sorry, it means the decision to expedite him to the us now rests with a bridge home secretary, pretty patel. he's wanted in the us um, spying charges of the publishing thousands of classified documents. and those are the headlines coming up next on al jazeera. it's kimbell with inside story. ah,
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russia has begun a renewed offensive and in many a calling it the battle for dom voss for what does this new phase mean for the larger conflict? and what is the human? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program on kim vanelle. it's been nearly 2 months since russian forces invaded neighboring ukraine. the conflict has killed countless civilians and displaced millions. now moscow says it's shifting its focus to the east where it's
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increased its assault and the don boss region. the u. s. british and canadian leaders have promised to stand more weapons to ukrainian forces. many say this is a crucial stage of the conflict and could lead to the breakup of ukraine. we'll get our guests in just a moment. the 1st this update from us a bake. so instead of what russia refuses to call, a war has now entered its 2nd phase. and its being dubbed the battle for don bus association in the east of ukraine is aimed as was announced from the very beginning to fully liberate the dan. yes, gun logan's, quickbooks in this operation. oh will. we will continue with this beginning. i mean another stage of this operation is beginning and then sure this will be a very important moment of this entire special of derision. ukrainians caught up in the fighting are forced to flee as russian forces pummeled cities and towns
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sickness of them. ukraine's president says, russia will not be successful in the incentives for when you are a, he's king. he's the intensity of fire by russian troops in the hockey direction, in the dumbass, and in the neat proper trask region, has increased significantly yesterday the same as before. they consider ordinary residential housing to be normal military targets. in this war, the russian army will forever inscribe itself in world history as perhaps the most barbaric and inhumane army in the world, aro, ukraine says its repelled a number of russian attacks in the east, a 2nd ultimatum issued by russia for ukrainian soldiers in marrow. paul, to surrender has passed. moscow had said the lives of the soldiers inside to steal works would be sped if they cease what it's called senseless resistance. didn't a survey, but come through less utmost around the united states and western countries and doing everything to drag out a special emitted operation as much as possible. as for the growing supplies of
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foreign weapons, clearly signal the intention to provoke the key regime to keep fighting until the last ukraine. the european union is considering more sanctions and russia. recall on russia we continue to call in russia to stop all the illegal and illegitimate or actions connected groups aggression against ukraine. and when it comes to next around of the sanctions. i think the, you highest representatives, the leaders of the you and also the representatives of the members. those. they're very clear that we continue to work on further sanctions. and when the time will be right, they will be announced so far calls for a cease fire or the threat of sanctions have not stopped this war. and although russia may have failed to take, keep the battle for the east is one. russia cannot be seen to loose. i said big al jazeera. ah, my, let's bring in our guest and key if we have helena, your chain co, a member of the ukrainian parliaments,
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and secretary of the national presidential council, moscow. pavel falcon, how're defense and military analyst for in a via gazette and independent newspaper and in brussels. theresa fallon, director of the center for russia, europe, asia studies. thank you very much for joining us here on inside story. i'd like to start with you are puzzle, falcon, how or if i may as the military analyst? what is this new stage in the war? what does it mean more to change your van for, sir? said so, russia try and in the beginning of this campaign to a kind of advance at the same time on the number of different, separate directions that didn't work out very well. so now the of russia's reserves and forces which are clearly not adequate for such a job of moving in all directions will be concentrating in of the
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particular area of the east south ukraine to achieve apparently victory there. so now they began once when officially announced at least by the russian, i'm in the new stage i've had to describe as a do other i don't know if you're familiar with that, but where you fail the 1st time you try again a 2nd time is that what this is, the failure of the initial aims, therefore a recalibration, a new kind of measure of what success means for russia in this war. well, in the 1st week, more were so would be campaign. in the south russia chief, quite a lot of the forces broke out of crimea, moved swiftly in different directions, captured the number of ukrainian big cities without much resistance or with no resistance at all across the nipper, captured a bridge over that nap or rather spectacular. but then that the advance kind of
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came to a halt, not enough reserves. and now the commander who was in charge of this initial success in the south. and general, alexander and gordon gulf, the commander of the south mode should district is become the c and c of the whole operation. he has given more freedom, more reserves. and since he is kind of the general of the month of, from the russian point of view, who achieved most successes, it's called on him to kind of achieve success of the entire operation and below. see what you're going to do. of course, right now, it's a very slow start for the 2nd stage at a preliminary action and very slow action. all right, let's talk about what russia is going to do. how do you know you can call your member of the ukrainian parliament, your in key of your ukrainian? what do you think that russia's president push and wants with don boff? oh, 1st of all, i want to response on the, on
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a light and russian propaganda that you just heard from the man before. so there is no operation and don't call it of the ration because it war is massive execution of the de leon who have nothing to do, you know, with military guy. if you want to call dark, your dark cherry children an operation. if you are calling these kind of things, an operation, then i'm really sorry for you. because you know, there is something wrong with your head and with your moral qualities. so this is worth, this is, might have executed of us. this is torturing of children. this is the racing woman and no one in this world. no one who has heart and who has mind in his head. don't call it operation. it's a war and it's, it's a very bad thing. the russian occupied the thrush,
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my teeth. i joined in ukraine and this again is very time. just yesterday i have reported on my teacher that the situation in mighty, which is very time. there are still a number of to be lance. we are talking mainly about woman and children. and in might of been as much of 2 children. there is no way the russian soldiers can thor terry can sally children, there are a lot of children. a lot of mothers, a lot of mothers with new born baby in my one heidi in warm shelf, off as old god. and we hear the russian soldier have order to sell this people. so russia have an order to sell children. ok. i haven't late. i know that to all the mothers and all around big, you know,
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people who are watching our show, do you consider that it does okay to shall and to murder children? do you imagine that your children are you yourself will goal this kind of nightmare? this is what ukraine is going through. i know that i know that the of mary paul has said some 20000 civilians have been killed in mary poll. it hasn't been verified, but that is, that is a, that is a shocking number. i need to move over to brussels. if i may, theresa fallen. what do you think that president fusion wants with don boss? and what do you make of? i know the european council president shells and shell is in t if today. what do you make of europe's response so far? well, it appears that instead of working all across ukraine, they want to focus on don boss to have some sort of success story. but even many ellis think that the may, 9th deadline. some people think that because of the may 90 day deadline that they
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want to serve up some sort of positive story for us. because most alyssa, being rather shocked and surprised at how long this is taken. russia, so people overestimated. the russian military has been acting very chaotically and now they can just focus on don boss, but of course the ukrainians have a great deal experience there. they've been at work for 8 years. and as you noted, shells michelle, the president of the european council is visiting here today, signaling europe's interest in the region. but the whole issue about sanctions is kind of symbolic. in many respects. some stations do have t, we're seeing that the russian economy is really taking a hit. but the, the key issue is energy. and, for example, germany is almost half reliant on their supplies for russia. so i think that the fact that they're still not talking about gas doesn't so that they're very serious about that because they're worried about the inflationary pressures in europe. in
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addition to that, individual members, they can cut reliance on russian gas as we've seen with india, which now has 0 imports of russian guess. so they don't need all for the whole, you were 27 member states. it's very difficult to get everyone to agree. you have some countries like hungry who are or pro russian than other countries, so it would be difficult for them to all work together. they might water down the sanctions, but then there are other types of symbolic sanctions like and caviar, which is just a small, small portion of exports to europe. so i think that the europeans, you know, they do a lot of virtue signaling, but i think that there is a growing wearing is about what's really happening in ukraine. we've seen millions of refugees lead to europe. and as the other commentator noted, this is a very serious war, and we're also seeing their backs on intended consequences of russia's behavior. for example, both sweden and finland are looking like they will join nato. we're going to talk
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about, we're going to talk about those moves to with joining nato, a little bit, asia, and what that might mean for security calculations in europe. and i had to come back to you puzzle falcon howard, because i don't think we've really answered this question yet. what is the significance of the don boss region for president clinton low russia has been supporting the pro ration separate this there and on that scale, and will gumps, or since in 2014, before this campaign began, russia recognized officially the independence of these 2 are a state what's actually of the official reason for going into your graham has been the need to defend them and expand their territory to the administrative, pre war territories of the will guns and on that score blast. so now they're trying to do that. apparently none,
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but again there's lisa talk about the main 9 deadline. i don't believe that there is a deadline. it's not, there is no deadline at all. the other thing is to brushes to court in there in a very serious situation, and we'll try to do its best to break out of it. but the answer may, 9, does not very much a role. there's going to be a parade in moscow and okay, but that's it. right now. russia and ukraine are in the mid season of the situation. the winter campaign is over, the summer campaign did not begin the ground. the still a bit work. there were a lot of rain. so right now actually the masters will be very slow by definition because you have to still rely on paved roads. which in the don boss are very narrow, that many of them in a very bad state. so both sides are preparing for decisive battle in the summer
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campaign. and that's right now, what will be joking for positions who is going to occupy the better position for the decisive factor which had begin, will happen and may, may be, and you, helena, you can go talking about the east, about dawn, but it's been almost 8 years since they self declared themselves as republics, it's been described since then it's becoming totalitarian. it's like right. ok, slight. will you give me your once again, this be a bowl? well, going to referenda will be poor by russian soldiers who came to our land, who came to us over an country which ukraine is and what in 2014 and they force people to go to craig referendum, please don't use which in narrative don't use narrative of russian and don't say that you create new territory claims themselves to be, you know,
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russian characters or in the family for the client and your fled. they are not self declared, right? they are not self declared. ok, right? they are generally separated. right? so please don't use russian narrative because i hope that you are the bands of media and not kremlin media or russia media. right. what i would like to tell you is that is that, is that the guy, the russian guy we just talk is talking about, you know, it kind of, we to complain some a campaign, but he forgot to mention that there is 3 campaign. it's s o n t campaign a campaign. when you craig farmers, when you grant agriculture company is a play team full owned which will grow in summer and autumn. and i want to tell you, i was actually too young to finally knock to your heart and your minds with
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information. that's what the russians are doing in ukraine is through the city, but not all the ukrainian pupils, ukrainian mothers, ukrainian children, but also they are doing horrible things to all around the world. ok, i will. sure. no, no, i hear what you're saying, please. no, excuse me. my role in this my role is to ensure that we have and even conversation you want me to talk to the whole to share the amount of time. so i'm sorry, i'm going to have to pass on over to our analyst in europe. teresa, how do you think this is going to play out? is the east going to come under russia's fair of influence? is that car? is it going to be annexed? in the fog of war? no one has made any correct predictions at all in this war. and i would say that it's really unclear, know when we predict how the things that have happened in ukraine. so i will not
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make any predictions on this. they are adding more troops in the region. we know russians have a huge morale problem, and this could, the cranes upon very hard because it's their country and it's their land. so it's very difficult at this moment to predict what will happen will be a turning point. as leverage has stated, it's phase 2. but i think that your p in response to all of this needs to be more weapons, more support, more sanctions, and more money. we see germany kind of trading their keels on all of this present to linda, give you credit has banked for a leper tanks from germany, but there's a lot of reluctant to do this. a new scandal just erupted recently in europe about the s p d 's ties to gas problems, the russian gas company. so the corruption, the octopus of russian corruption, which is not just to london grad, as everyone calls london, where, where it's known for washing the longer, you know,
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being the laundromat for russian oligarchs, money. but we see this in germany, the biggest country in europe, the strongest economy, and they have such close ties to russia. we see that it has hobbled any initiatives to have sanctions meaningful sanctions. i guess. now they're trying to cobble together some sections on russian oil that has been delayed for quite some time, but they're trying to iron that out. so i think that europe really needs to take these things seriously. i know it's big and unwieldy and very hard to get these things done. they do a lot of virtue signaling and simple. but i think that we understand that there will be village that you can might not just be the only it might just be an appetizer if we look at the agreement. so the draft agreements that who's in table back in december, that this means more than ukraine, the baltics are fearful central eastern european member states are very fearful. so i think that putting has inadvertently given a mojo puzzle plug and how are there have been war crimes
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documented. there has been an opening all of an investigation into possible alleged war crimes at the stories as well as we've been hearing 4 weeks now. are, are horrendous, these, these just atrocities as we've been discussing. do you believe that russia will, i guess, be held to account for all that these will be fully investigated? i low, i believe they're going to be investigated. we're not in russia right now. the moscow is rejecting out of right now, that's the kind of traditional position happened with the murder of the polish officers and 1940 and was a russian denied any responsibility to the soviet union collapsed together. it come in the straw. so i don't think right now russia is going to cooperate, rob, fortune promised. apparently the austrian chance weren't that russia with corporate,
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but i don't think that that's going to happen. of course, in the future, if there is, as i don't know, regime change in moscow, there are these crimes could be actually tried in court may be made even in moscow. i don't know, but that's very much in the future. it's not immediate right now. and it doesn't have right now that much bearing on the situation in the field though, of course, in the it's a, it's a terrific p r. disaster for moscow. and i believe the very serious things that have been done by russian soldiers and apparently by their commanders were working the other direction. i'm not sure that this was a political intent, but the anyway, the result is disastrous. but nothing is going to be done about it. okay,
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so i can i to you, helena, you, tanka. oh, how do you think this is going to play out? what are your, i guess, concerns for the coming weeks and months for your country? if a russians don't put down their weapons and leave our sovereign country a dissertation, not only in ukraine, but also in the world and in around the world as well, will be deteriorating. the traditional bit will be worse and worse. and there will be a very serious problem with food and with food security and in a radical world as well. whereas, you know, ukraine's a greek ukraine, agriculture, ukrainian food, ukraine, sunflower oil, but also wheat and other and recall the killer ro products a, c, d, around the world as well. 42 percent of ukraine, an export was agriculture and foot. so if these year and next year around the
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world will have no agriculture from ukraine, if i go to cultural product, will go the price for a good cultural product will go high, you know who to blame. you should blame russia. you should blame russian army and you just blame him because they innovated our country and they don't let us to have a proper land or a plant campaign. yeah, we are unable to want would for the whole world. and i think we're already in the fall of 600000000 people in the world are dependent on ukrainian food. i know we're already saying i just around the around. right. we're all ready. seeing skyrocketing costs of basic goods for many people around the world where come to the end of the program. i'd like to go back to theresa fallon just to round out the
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show here. when the war 1st started, the stand with ukraine, sort of symbol it was everywhere. do you think that as time goes on the world's resolve, the west's resolve to help you? crane may filter. i mean, that's a very good question. you know, the national communities attention span is very limited. so i think that moves like today's president of the european council of charles michele visit to keeps it on the, the map for many people. but i see, even in the new cycle, we don't see it on the front page so much anymore. the story of ukraine. so i think the russians understand that. and i also, we all know that the warrant on has been going on for 8 years. and it didn't really get onto the headlines until the age of ukraine. so for 8 years, this has been link, you know, this has been a long drawn out conflict. and so this is my concern. but on the other hand,
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now we're seeing because of this kind of distraction with ukraine, sweden and finland are looking like they are going to ask to join nato. so i think that individually meaningful and they wouldn't have considered it because they saw, you know, they're not really fearful of russia to watch me. or they see the military not as frightening as they had in the past is incompetent and chaotic and so joining together sweden and finland appear to be gaining more momentum to join nato. so there's a nato summit in june. so this is something that will be moving forward and today in the afternoon it's a swedish newspaper. there was a very positive editorial by that tauriel board supporting. we didn't membership of nato, which is really a watershed moment because for 200 years we didn't has been a neutral countries. so for them to join with finland. can the idea that, you know, this germinating idea of joining nato full members status because they do have very
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close cooperation with nato at this point. but they would be covered by article by so that would transform the landscape of the security landscape of europe. and i think that russia has really misplaced its hand. it has changed the strategic landscape of europe in ways that they had never intended. and i think that this and i'm the tax, you're my apologies. we have run all the time. we will have to leave it there. thank you very for joining us. ah, helena jenco, pavel vulgar howard and theresa fallon, and thank you for watching. you can see the program again. any time by visiting i websites, al jazeera dot com. uh huh. for the discussion, go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a jane side story. you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle is at a j inside story for me can for now the entire team here and doha latha. ah
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