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struggling with its worst recess. and in years the country is desperate for solutions. but what are the candidates offering and what direction will the philippines think under you? leadership, special coverage on al 0. i from you. okay. you're watching the stream on today's episode. ethics and asylum seekers. is the u. k. 's new plan to sent asylum seekers to are wonder to have the applications processed? is that ethical? that is our conversation. you are part of that conversation, especially for your new chief, your comments, your questions, put them right there. and i'll wrap them in to say shut. then you skim it has to be given a chance and see what it will come out on that. on the phone to my home countries

is part of it. i can be more oh, you know, optimistic and it goes and wonder as has been found to be very effective in finding a solution to challenging issues. so let's give a chance and see what happens. so that's eric stock, eric now listen, the u. k. he was granted asylum from one day in the 19 milling t's. that's part of the conversation. he's like, let's wait and see what does the panel have to say about that? hello, emily moyer, i'm frank. i get to have all 3 of you here in today's show, and will you please introduce yourself to our audience around the world. thank you so much. there me, it is absolutely great to be here with you. my name is dr. emily mcdonald and i am b, e k advocacy and communications coordinator at human rights watch. hello maria, please introduce yourself to our global audience. and i thank you for having me. i . my name is my lady mclean, and i'm a journalist and contributing editor and navarro media and get to have you frank,

on the screen today. please introduce yourself. tell everybody who you are, what you do. hello. thank you very much for this to me. i'm booked for a credit mover on the president of the democratic. couldn't put a rubber on ocean potty. i won't say a member of parliament. thank you. or i guess let's start with the u. k. home secretary, pretty patel, explaining what this partnership for wanda actually means he, she is working to go to the united kingdom. armando will help make the immigration system for barrow, ensure that people are safe and enjoy new opportunities to flourish. we have agreed that people who enter the u. k. illegally will be considered for relocation to wander, to have there are some systems there to assign them. claims decided and those who are recess old will be given the support, including up to 5 years of training with the help of integration accommodation,

healthcare, so that they can, we settle and drive. this agreement fully complies with all international and national law. so moyer, that is how the u. k. home secretary describes this plan, how would you describe it? well, to be frank, i would say it's dereliction of responsibility. this plan, in essence, is that people who arrive via what the u. k. calls illegal means which is completely inaccurate. there's no such thing as an illegal route for asylum seekers . so say across the english channel in small boats, people who arrive via that manner will instead of being processed and having their claims appraised. and we settled in the u. k. will be taken to wonder where their claims will be processed. if those claims are found to be it, those claims are approved, they will not be resettled in the u. k, they will be resettled. and we wonder if they are not approved well,

but that hasn't really been covered yet. if they're not approved, they still get to stay were winder, which is really bizarre. oh frank, let me show you something. the whole office put out a blog to explain what their plan was and on that plan was a graphic. so let me show you this graphic. so if they decide this little pink blob here, if they decide that your asylum cannot be processed in the u. k, they decided that you shouldn't be in the u. k. they are going to remove you and then send you to a 3rd country. that 3rd country is will wonder. what do you make of being part now of the you case? asylum process system. we're one day is now part of the system. well 1st of all, i'd like to sit at this is the, an ethical. i think that her, oh we're as if patty,

we would will come refugees who want to come through and, and they like to know if it chose, dwanda will come to render as dearford. this mission will come, them well will come to so many of them on the congo from blondie and elsewhere, but dos whenever chose to come to wander. and i've chosen to go to the u. k. it's silly. more towards sponsibility. you see kids responsibility that should take care of them because all of us have signed the you and convention to receive messages. so we don't think that you see an ethical for rhonda to receive messages who did not choose to come to london. yet i have this people asked that you want to come through under that video and come to under. they don't want to. they just took what they all came and he helped me amber must. what does people have passed through? difficult swishes, have gone for the santa desert, or they'll pass through the material again. some of them have died. wonder where most of them actually love since children women suffering. so after all the

suffering, then you'd say to ship them away, plus the country ronda, and which is smaller country and her, which is also a dork in country, u. k is richer look is bigger, it doesn't make any sense. i will tell you when at the planning meeting a couple years ago when they were coming out with this plan between rwanda and the u. k. m. amy, bring you in here. what is the duty of the u. k? when somebody arrives in the u. k. what is the duty if they are saying we are a cyber seekers? we are seeking asylum? what should the u. k. be doing with those people? thank you, phemie. the u. k. has an obligation to ensure access to its territory for people seeking asylum and access to an asylum procedure with due process expelling. asylum seekers who arrived by boat or by lori, irregularly,

and expelling them to rolanda is just shirking its responsibilities under the refugee convention under international law. and it really needs to be ensuring that it is opening its borders, not closing them to individuals that are seeking protection. i'm going to bring in the voice of journals enlightened mccalla wrong. she has decided that the announcement of this new asylum seeking process in the u. k. is connected to politics. you may not agree here, maria, but have a listen and then bounce off the back with your thoughts. his mckaden this strikes me is a really cynical deal and i imagine has been prompted by the fear that the conservatives are not going to do that well and the may 5 elections. and so being seen to be tough on immigration is always good caught play a, it's possibly not a legal agreement. it's certainly not

a moral one. and that's prompted for me by the awareness that we're one does really the worst place you could choose to do. this is not just a densely populated really poor african country that has a refugee problem of its own. is also a place where the government has a terrible track record on repression. in terms of the way it deals with human rights activists, journalists, and opposition leaders who are relentlessly attract silence and jail. this is not a good place to choose. mikaela may well think that this is politically expedient, but maya, you know, that this plan has been going on for several years. it's not just been cook top right now. can you tell us more about that? yeah, of course, and i'm sure that emily can come in on this as well. so this plan to process and resettle assign them, see, because away from britain has been in the work for several years. i think it's at

least 3 years that sort of discussions have been going on. specifically for a plan of this nature, precipitate has been casting around for a country that would agree to a deal fast. it was said to our bay, now we're going to be the country where the recycling refugees would take place. that it was gonna both flatly denied this has happened pretty time was so numbers that the deal with when would be blown by public reporting before it happened. that she kept referring to his country x in home of his briefings until the signatures on the dotted line had actually been scribbled. so i get what people want to say. you know, this is just a distraction. this is all, this is just to kind of beast the immigration fair in the u. k. and it's, it's not necessarily that that isn't true in some regard, but i don't think that is the priority in conservative because the current government a pursuing a much why is

a plank of policy aimed at making what is already a hostile environment for asylum seekers, particularly into a completely impenetrable one. this policy cannot be seen as removed from pretty patel's national board of bell, which again target to sign him because it also can be seen as existing in a vacuum from the attempt to overturn the human rights act and replace it with a bill of rights and both of these, both these pieces of lation when you dig into them, really talk asylum seekers in particular, out of all possible migrants there as attempts to sort of make it more difficult for say somebody who's at the risk of deportation from pleading the case that they act, they can't be separate from their family. there's a lot of since, since the windrush scandal in particular. what we've seen, the conservative government do is rather than sort of compensate the people involved and make the asylum system more hospitable and actually create

infrastructure that can support asylum seekers. instead they have gone the other way, which it's publicly say this can never hi again. while attempting to completely sort of remove the the issue of assign successful stop by shipping them as well. i'm just going to just interject here the wind rush scandal was when youngsters who would kind of come to the u. k. from the caribbean, when they were at the 345, they missed a message. they missed the, the, the message that you need to get your paperwork. they didn't get their paperwork. and as grown adults who maybe it served in the british army, hope had homes and families were then sent, sent to a country and to countries that they had no knowledge of. and they lived all their life believing that they were you case citizens. so that gives you an idea of how the, the current government thinks about people who they say do not belong in the u. k. i want to push on a little bit. emily, help me out here. this is the rwanda spokeswoman yolanda mo,

carlo. she's talking about the benefits of processing asylum seekers, offering them a home and opportunities in rwanda. is this genuine? let's have a listen and then please respond of the back of her video. one is a with we also have significant in this analysis. yeah, watching that i think that it, that from what human rights watch has documented rwanda is not a safe country to send asylum secrets to it has a known track record of extra judicial killings,

unlawful and arbitrary detention treatment and torture in official and unofficial detention facilities. and, you know, just last g r, the u. k. government denounced one does a calling human rights record before the united nations urging rwanda to module commonwealth values of democracy, rule of law and respect for human rights. and just to specifically comment on the situation for refugees in orlando, in 201812 congolese refugees was shot dead by rwandan police when they protested a cut to their food rations and their conditions. and this creates a very real risk of abuse for asylum seekers that assent and expelled to or want to buy the u. k. whether they're able to speak up about their treatment or conditions . and we also know that the rwandan government kidnaps rwandan refugees who are already outside the country as far afield as australia, canada,

and brings them back to face trial and you know, treatment. and just, just to finish on this quite a bit, the hypocrisy is so stark when we consider the fact that the u. k. itself, grants asylum, and refugee status to rwandans, who have fled persecution in romando, whether it's journalists or because they oppose the government, including full rwandans just last year. so how can the u. k. government be saying that we're one that is a safe country? frank, what do you feel comfortable about saying when when we're one day is criticized for not being the safe place for asylum seekers to be re settled? we're out for about 15 regarding certain coin laundry list of countries to getting softer. because we do not her voters on the street

with an auto kiss, who sofa people been short donors, truthful in women of a super string, cause such things as use for the past and the good english. yes, we will. ins, demonte out of her problem was refugees room to talk to them or they can come and work them to get paid a pay even though some of them work in harms or in the bars and restaurants under a swear and some others to live in cups but of course the intellect was committed to fall on them. so that is according to that, that is okay, but of course, oh, oh, well shall state well had a kiss in a church decant. where ma'am some my god, if you say 2020 almost right. and, and, you know, the 5012 was she motion, but when they were shocked, i'm shocked by these not. that was

a few years ago. i am wondering because from one does perspective there's a certain amount of money that has been quoted. but there is much more money involved in this still not just flying the asylum seekers to or wandered. this is a one way flight. literally. i'm not just putting them out, not just feeding them, but the programs education program is a lot of money involved in this. can you see this as a benefit for romando frank? do you see that? is this potentially something that could be quite positive regarding day money that is been given by the u. k. i don't see any value in that money because as i see the term is it? it does. if you should not have come plunder and a fast press because i never was to come to under. so i think that you should have to commit says possibly to sort of monitor thing that your claim coming to to,

to pay for the housing. oh, uncle, i mean, a combination of indication or other facilities. i think this is just a smokescreen because this ugly ms gift for 5 years. so about this be put in an agreement with so is quite migrant. that me the people coming to be settled. he actually, what we saw it didn't even mission lift is just mission microns. it to me that people are coming to be put here to stay here for good. and they're giving them under government for 5 years. that's what i've seen, 100 brinkman pounds for 5 years. so what happens after that? and you know, if we have problem of unemployment or in the wonder, most of our youth, the unemployed, most of the women i see unemployed and yet, oh, blacking people went to work. doing something went, went, find welcome to confounded. so andy's young people went to being random. what happens when at mine is not there how they manage, how, what would they do? i think to propose conflicts in the 30. busy there will be issues and even if you

have somebody giving them and i did leave a better life than others, i, you see there's a difference here and rather than do, okay, that we don't have this so much more jobs are people doing. you can get good money, so we're all trying to survive. and that the government has had a good plan. oh, getting jobs there every m. but this is jobs are not yet. there is a good plan, but we are not seeing them that jobs. so we were struggling and helped me. one of the things is high cost of living in the rundown as some people compared to go to europe. oh, yeah, because you find a health $100.00. but if you look at the bucket, you don't get big l to little money compared to other countries. neighboring countries look uganda well, but you feel under drills gonna help well be purchasing poa. and also currently we do have a high places, wonderful places and high. of course this has been exported. bober calling me on a leash on a conflict. but i didn't before that to hut high political, full like not officially, not as was mentioned by pretty patel or by the run,

the family of you and you were talking about this you may absolutely i can i, i am. and if i may, can i just bring in one more example? i'm come straight back to you. this one comes from natalie because frank, thank you. you've just laid out some of the biggest challenges for, for this migration policy, if it can actually walking lawanda. so to natalie brings up another example of this idea of processing asylum seekers outside of the country where the asylum seekers are trying to get to a straight. here is one example. natalie picks up my thought from here. this is what she talks to little bit earlier. emily, come off the back of natalie. here we go. mr. i is off showed attention centers, asylum seekers were, has equal quality accommodation and stroke to access basic medical care. there were long delays in asylum processing in resettlement, meaning that many were tracked offshore for years in 2016 over 80 percent of people

and also detention was suffering a serious mental illness. and 12 people have died. histories of short attention centers. ultimately, as ryan off showed attention amounted to cruel inhuman and degrading treatment in violation of international law. now the u. k. his poise to follow in his voice footsteps, but they were real in says that the u. k. is pursuing a policy that will violate rather than protect the human rights of asylum seekers. yes, so it is well documented that australians of short attention regime on a silent in poverty and the route caused immeasurable human suffering and ledge to very severe human rights abuses. human rights watch has documented widespread sexual violence against women that were detained in the centers and men, women and children experienced medical neglect abuse and there was also an epidemic

of a number of suicides which as nationally mentioned, 13 people died since the policy was instituted in 2015, so it is incredibly alarming that the u. k. is choosing to, to follow this off and to have followed in australia's footsteps in a model that is, that has been effective in breaking the paper smuggling trade to australia. and at the end of the day does nothing but cause more human suffering. and just to comment on the back of what dr. franco saying, i think it's really important in this context to separate out development tied and migration control. so i think that countries like the u. k, can be giving development aid for an aide and investing in a country such as rwanda. this shouldn't be time for us to, you know, wash our hands of asylum seekers and incentivized countries like rwanda to take on

our silent responsibilities for us. it is simply us externalizing our style and responsibilities. and at the end of the day, regardless of the financial benefits, it is very likely to be a breach of the you k obligations and will cost much more good. so we don't know that. but on the u. k. home office blog, the u. k. home office is saying, in the next few weeks, we want to send out a notice to sign because you are coming in the u. k. in the next few months, the 1st flights will take place going to rwanda. but we do not know at this stage what legal challenges they may well be. this is u. k prime minister boys johnson explaining what the potential for this policy have a nice and have a look if they, if they go that way, if they come across the channel illegally in these, in these vessels, then they risk as i've, as i've explained,

ending up not in the u. k. but in rwanda and that is something that i believe will over time prove a very considerable deterrent sir. i wonder as well, same by u. k. prime minister by st. johnson as a deterrent. john feet and b spoke to us a little bit earlier his like we shouldn't be thinking about flying asylum seekers across the world to a wonder. we should be thinking of different ways to make sure they have safe passage. this is what he thought italia. a british red cross with stylish and signed by you take government fires to send the messiah hallway around the world. rwanda, to have the right side claims process there. we don't fit with her people. and eliza risk crossing the english channel. instead, the government should be focused on creating more safe routes. refugees, to be able to reach her without hate, most dangerous journey. they should increase the number of refugees directly settled to the u. k. as well as introducing you may assign these to the people can

go to an embassy around the world and submitted an item claim there. robin happens to be in the title. ready? my, we're at right at the very end of the show. but if you could describe in one sentence the atmosphere in the u. k, where this policy is a policy that is being discussed and trying to be pushed forward. how would you describe it in a closing sentence? don't get one centers, but what i would say is that this is not even about whether the policies, even adaptable, is, is about changing public opinion and in the aligned to the government, to make it as less tolerable and less compassionate. full stop, they won't change the dial so that what we consider ethical is no longer what we might have once done and they want to make it so that we don't have compassion for other human beings. and that is the real issue here. and we must resist that at any cost. maria. thank a frank. many thanks, emily. thanking as the comment, show questions and discussion on line as well. i see next time. take everybody.

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