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our coven 19 measures being lifted too soon? many countries are now in doing their travel restrictions mask mandates and testing requirements. so how will scientist stay on top of the pandemic? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammered. jim john, it's been more than 2 years since the global pandemic began. and in that time, an estimated 500000000 people had tested positive and more than 6000000 have died.

but as infection and death rates appear to slow down, many countries are swiftly removing their cobit 19 measures. singapore is the latest to scrap corona virus tests for vaccinated travelers and remove nearly all limits on gatherings in europe. switzerland and greece will follow most of the continent to remove travel restrictions by next month. many countries of also eas rules on wearing masks and self isolation if someone tests positive. so this is mass oh, oh. in the u. s. travellers ripped off their masks in mid air after a federal judge struck down a mandate to wear face coverings on public transport. the judge said the centers for disease control had overstepped its authority. some scientists are concerned by moves like this since the contagious b. a 2 variant is spreading quickly around the world. the white house has launched an appeal in the department of justice, as you noted, had indicated that they would appeal i not just because they think it's entirely

reasonable. of course, to have this additional time to look at it because they think that the current for current and future public health crises. we want to preserve that, that authority for the cdc to have in the future. as wealthier countries remove their restrictions. developing nations are still struggling to vaccinate their people. the world health organization has called for 70 percent of the global population to be inoculated by june. but so far, just more than 3 percent of people in lower income countries have received at least one dose, compared to 60 percent in wealthier nations and the world's most populous country. china continues to pursue a so called 0 cobit policy to eliminate all transmission. it's big a city. shanghai has tightened. it's locked down. 25000000 people have been stuck indoors for 5 weeks. videos of people protesting against the measures and being forced into quarantine. have triggered outrage on china's highly centered internet

. ah. all right, let's bring in our guests in oxford, u. k. peter, drawback director of the school center for social entrepreneurship at the university of oxford in boston, missouri say young global south convenor for the people's vaccine alliance, which is dedicated to the equitable distribution of vaccines around the world. and in new delhi, dr. robbie molig, chairman of radix hospital, a warm welcome to you all, and thank you so much for joining us today on in so story. robert, let me start with you today. many countries are now in the travel restrictions mask mandates and testing requirements. from your perspective is this all happening too soon? i think it is a time to come. we should review contin ways to be more prevalent and rich countries that there's less revenue in it. we see the statistics even in large could be put in us. we have been tested on 60000, it says in india,

we have this for the 500 cases. and then you can we have a nest on 50 pieces. now it depends. what is the epidemiology numbers? what is that there in the countries? so i think the lights should not relate ad, but the countries to be or it is very prevalent, there it is more infectious. the me should some kind of restrictions, but in the countries the less rev length. so we should find, you know, what, a strategy we should equally bit of a strategy as is prevalent to begin with. you can just prevalent in that country so we can give a single statement. as a professional, i can tell you, we cannot give us single lane or this statement for the whole word on the whole. so what i mean as a professional is that we need to see what is the epidemiology. this should be a, b, and b. these prevalence in a particular part of that. but having said that, as a professional, i must say that we should all be 3 questions. it is an extraordinary,

unprecedented type of situation, and it is definitely an unpredictable tv. so we need to take all the questions off for sure, distancing mosque and peter, what about you from your vantage point? are tobin 1900 measures being lifted too soon? and also how dangerous might this be? rummy said we see quite a bit of transmission in most parts of the world right now. what concerns me is that we seem to sort of be all or nothing. and the so called living with coban approaches that we're seeing really are trying to return to a pre 2020 normal. and the reality of there will be no pre 2020 normal. we're not going back to that cobra to circulating at high levels. it's still far more deadly than the flu, for example. and it causes significant long term effects and 5 to 10 percent of people effects that we don't really understand. we have to remember that it's an airborne virus and therefore i think there's

a middle ground where continued availability on rapid testing use of masks in high risk, crowd in close endorse spaces, investments to improve installation. and all of these things can save lives. can keep people at work and in school, and help protect us against cobit. nobody's saying we need to go back to lockdown, but to throw everything off, i think is misguided mazda, last year, the world health organization had set a goal. that goal was to ensure that 70 percent of every country's population was fully vaccinated. why are we so short of meeting that goal? well, i think there are a few things, you know, one the, the program that was set up the co backs program that was set up to distribute vaccines in an equitable manner was a good idea. but in practice did not work. you know, what happened was that the wealthier countries jumped, the q went directly to purchase vaccines from producers. and that meant the

vaccines were then not available for low and middle income countries. we still have quite a bit of intellectual property barriers in place that are preventing manufacturers that are available and ready to make the vaccines, the m r, and a vaccines that are more effective against mac prod enough, protected people all around the world. so manufacturers are ready to make those are being blocked for making them. we have seen quite a bit of courting as well. you know, we're rich countries. we're saying that they want share and had not shared in time . so it's a variety of issues. and now that vaccines are somewhat more available, we need to make sure that we keep that system flowing in a way that make sure that it's equitably distributed and mazda, i just want to talk for a moment about the impact that all of this has had on developing countries on, on, middle, and low income countries. i mean, you're talking about hoarding of vaccines by wealth. your countries, you're talking about this barrier about intellectual property not being lifted.

there have been so many calls from so many groups in so many countries over the past year and a half to lift these requirements to lift these restrictions to make sure that hoarding doesn't happen. how dispiriting is it's you that this is still going on and what kind of an impact is it having on these poor countries? it is really, really dispiriting. i mean, to think about the fact that in high and come countries over 70 percent of people have been fully vaccinated and alone come countries. it's about 12 percent of people fully vaccinated, you know, and my own country be care only 1900 percent of people fully vaccinated and there are still 8 countries around the world. the last time i checked that are lower than 5 percent, 5 percent believe vaccinated. so you can imagine what that means when healthcare workers, you know, grandparents, people who are immunocompromised, have not had access to this protection. something that does really worry me and all of us are the people faxing the lines as well as the fact that the numbers are not

accurate. you know, we've heard stories about the death rate not being as bad in africa as it is elsewhere. and the truth is that when we are in the system, a vaccine injustice, we're also in a system of diagnostics and justice and treatment and justice. you know, so there are a lot of cases of cobra that have also gone undetected. the impact to low income countries is you know, my husband really hard to fathom in terms of the economy in terms of what this has done for other health issues. you know, like 2 per kilo says, accept a chevy treatment antenatal care. and also just the impact on women and other marginalized groups. peter, i saw you nodding along to a lot of what maza was saying. i'm going to let you give your reaction and jump in . but i also want to ask you how our scientist going to stay on top of the pandemic . if you know, mandates are being dropped and countries are testing as much. i mean how, how will they be able to actually stay ahead of the curve on this? thank you just to build on the vaccine and equity issue briefly. i think the fundamental flaw here that we're still approaching this with

a charity model rather than the solidarity model that wealthy countries were taken care of ourselves. first, we're happy to give leftovers to give aid of sub terms import countries, rather than understanding that this is a global crisis and therefore the fact seems are global good. and if we look at that solid dirty lens that allows us to take the technology and the manufacturing capacity that exists and get out there. understanding that this makes all of us safer. so we really need to shift that. and i think that we face more global crises like climate change, that's the sort of approach that we need to take. now with respect to surveillance, just critically important that we continue to have disease surveillance, not just in one or a few countries, but really all over the world we've seen just in the last couple of months. just to see where we started in about december last year, several different variants being one b a 2 in particular, and then some others as well that have improved significance. this particular corona virus mutates

a lot more than we expected or suspected in mind. and that's going to continue to happen, and so we need to stay on top of this. the other thing is that investments in disease surveillance are going to be an important part of protecting us in the future from other pandemic threats that inevitably will come. so early detection, being able to sequence it, help scientists, they proactive rather than reactive. we need investments really globally in this. rob, i want to ask you specifically about where things stand currently in india with regard to the numbers of cases and also with regards to ensuring that people in india are vaccinated. as far as in the concert we have vaccinated at around $187.00 per or almost $170000000.00 of the population has been vaccinated. and 61.4 percent of the population has been completely committed. we have given booster bulls to 1.8 percent. at least one goal has been given to all was going to

get to sort of beat it. this is the latest report from the ministry from india. so india has done an incredible job as far as the speed and speckled vaccination is concerned. so giving 187 back seen. and the last man in the lane is also getting the vaccine. the distribution system as well as the recognition is concerned, we are on the phone 14th and even in last 24 hours. also, we have extra warranty that will be, but as far as the testing is going on, almost $4.00 black people have been testing have been tested for holding. we need that the other developing nation and we have certain relations as far as over the process to the phone number for being a big deal. big concern and other men but help resources are sometimes so we have certain constrains and we appreciate that fact that is why we are trying to give more attention on the payment aspect. not very important thing which previous to of

my balance. so say b cannot be globally secure unless we vaccine it each end of the parcel on this. so to get the global security from this monstrous, unless we need to vaccinate even that developing nation each and every individual. so only then we are going to get security because together or human chain. so if as far as the vaccine got concerned, i think it is very important to give back scenes to that developing nations. also those who have not been vaccinated as one of the been list as rightly said, that only 5 percent of the population has been vaccinated in some of the country. so that is a matter of concern as proficiently to. all right, i just want to take a step back here for a moment. one of the most pressing health issues is what's being called long cove it. while most people recover quickly some experience symptoms for months or even longer, we spoke to one suffer who can no longer lead an active lifestyle. take las hi,

i'm maybe for cash. i'm a reporter in washington dc and i've been dealing with the effects of loan cove and for more than 2 years now. so i initially think was kind of in april of 2020 and it's been an uphill battle since then. i was knocked out for about 2 months and then had to stop and start getting back to work crashing, getting back to work crashing. and when i say crashing it really is debilitating. it was extreme fatigue, headache, chest pain, the recurrence of other templates for pains and things like that as well. i ended up having a really bad crash in january of 2021. and we've knocked out for about 7 months, really, very, very debilitated, pretty much bedridden for a few months that i'm lucky in that, in dc, there's one long who clinic and after a weight of several months, i was able to get an appointment that, that's been a lifesaver for me, and they know that something that many millions of people don't have access to. so

i guess my main concerns right now is someone who's gone through this for so long that i don't know that governments are really prepared for the kind of medical and social cost of this. i've also been really lucky that i've had a supportive workplace where i've been able to take the time off that i need to slowly, gradually recover. again, i know many, many people don't have that kind of support and actually are going to rely on disability. the u. s government at least is still grappling with what that means in terms of long term. it isn't definitely a disability. what qualifies someone who has long curve it as being able to get disability payments, things like that. serious questions that we need to be asking ourselves, in addition to setting up more clinics, we'd better access. so people, mazda, i saw you reacting to the testimonial that we just heard there, from your perspective. has there been enough support offered to those who are suffering from long covered you know, as i was listening to her, that, you know, it sounds devastating. i was,

i was thinking that given the lack of dive diagnostics that we've seen and a lot of low income countries, my concern is the fact that this is going to be an added burden to health systems that are already pressed. you know that we had, she don't have a good idea and a lot of low and middle income countries of how many people have been infected. and what does that mean for them? the people who will be suffering with long coded, you already have these really strained health systems. so, you know, the only data i've seen in africa about long coders from south africa. and it makes me think, you know, what is happening in other countries where we have not diagnosed people enough. so i would say that we're probably not giving enough support. i'm glad to hear that she had some of it's for that she needed. but it sounds really dreadful. robbie: have you seen that governments around the world have taken long coven? seriously or do you think that it's being largely underestimated? inside a nicole that you need in my hospital. so what i have seen as lot of patients that

you have pointed out a lot of patients who have suffered wrong call. they may be this issues may be guardian issues for back live kaji. and for that right, that even post traumatic stress disorder, then we need things. they have cropped up and i think it does a little under estimated because a lot of patients, especially those what and dudley are those who aren't any had immuno system compromised or those who are diabetes, those who are suffering from the back to school they they have definitely gone through the long wait, and i think the end of this long will be is to some extent, by and large i will say that it is ignored by the admin. it's also because they are more focused in saving the life of people. but i think that this issue needs to be stressed even more diligently and we should look into these problems also because a lot of patients are suffering from long and the symptoms that posted. but this

thing for maybe you know, how for 2 years and those who have bored 1000000 lung damage, maybe the symptoms are likely to continue for much longer time. so i think the patient program should be structured, but all the governments many over time giving their venture that don't so, but i think this problem needs to be addressed more carefully. mother has rightly pointed out. and you have shown that a picture of that lady on suffering from a post school the symptoms. so this needs to be addressed. and i like months on you for propping of this issue. and since you don't know why, you seem to be sure they have been suffering from post complications, act the need to have an addition. peter maza was speaking a few moments ago about the stress that health systems worldwide have been under. since the beginning of the pandemic, you know, we're talking

a lot about the fact that countries are dropping mask mandates and travel requirements. and many countries are almost acting as though cobra. 1900 didn't exist anymore in some sense. how much your health systems currently being burdened by covered 19 i think it remains significant and of course covet has always sort of moved in waves. we see waves of cases and infection that sort of come and go right now. we're on the backend of the home across to waive, but each time it hits, even in places where there are high levels of the nation and people are less likely to get real 2nd go to hospital just by virtue of the sheer number of infections. that's absolutely stressing health care systems. on top of that, we have massive backlogs of case and folks who haven't been able to get the attention they need for other conditions. on top of that, we have health care workers who themselves, of course are sick and his mother pointed out in some lower middle income countries, health care workers who themselves have not even been vaccinated yet. so all of

these things are piling up on top of i think the final thing is just the burden of exhaustion. the t burn out and trauma, that health care workers have faced by being on the front lines of this now for 2 years. so we really need to address this, the resilience of our systems. and again, smart investment in our health care workers in our health care system will not just help us with cobit, they will help us keep help people helping move forward. robbie: how concerned are you about potential future variance of covered 1900? as a professional, i'm definitely concerned because right now could be one point. one point or 2 again is that it is, it does have it but they both are wireless. so the new steam, so why this is mitchell? i mean, we need to be extremely lend on the genome of these. why this is the behavior of them, the vigilance of them, that killing capacity of them. and of course,

the prospect ability of them. and we should also find the moment back feeds as the stream which is coming. so as a professional or definitely be odd, but we are concerned the, when the wireless is changing, its g norms the be all need to be absolutely concerned. but having said that, one thing is clear now on the piece of it, most of the, the dns with each of the video stuff concern the article by the available vaccines be, cannot prevent it unless in their be backs in individuals. but we can prevent a serious disease and we can prevent people going to use and the subsequent bits and those people, those who have been vaccinated come along with the struggles. so i will like to build those my clinical opinion that everyone should get the vaccination done. looping nation or in developed nations because it was definitely going to offered group action against the radians, regenerate, know, the boy that, you know,

specialist, the ad keeping or b, g and i on the changing the genome of this stuff. why does that we need to be extremely care put and in, in the old school over there is that keeping the vigilant behavior of the wireless mazda? do you believe that the effort to get people vaccinated has lost momentum around the world? and if so, if you do believe that, what are the implications of that? what does it mean if the world is, in some sense giving up on achieving high vaccination rates? you know, the fact that $5000000000.00 was, was cut from the u. s. is, you know, global support for coverage re, somebody makes me think that, you know, kind of echoes what you've said that the world, some parts of the world seem to think that the pandemic is over and it absolutely is not. and, you know, i think the impact of this obviously is one that we don't know where, you know,

i'll defer to dr. malik here, who's the clinician, but i've heard a lot of people say that there's nothing to indicate that the next variance will be milder. you know that i've heard some people say, you know, i'm a crohn might have been more infectious, but it was milder than, than delta. so this is a trend that we're going in and i hear from expert that they're experts, that there's nothing to say that that is the case. so we do risk the potential of a more deadly variant popping up, you know, something referencing what peter said is also looking to the future. you know what, these intellectual property barriers with the fact that there are manufacturers all over the world that are ready to make these vaccines and have not been given the tech, the tech or the know how to do it. and that, you know, big companies like pfizer, and they're not despite the fact that they've received billions of dollars to produce these vaccines are still refusing to support manufacturers around the world . this will have an impact, not only for this pandemic, but for future pandemic as well. you know, at the moment,

africa produces only one percent of the vaccines that the continent usually produces only one percent and has to import 99 percent. and we need to think about not only now the future variance that might pop up for coded, but also for pandemic. we have yet to see. all right, well, we have run out of time to we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thank you. so much to all of our guest peter, drawback maza, say you me and robin malik. and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a jay inside stuart for me. mm hm. mm hm. jerome, in the whole team here in doha bye for now. ah ah.

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