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lucian's to the cities, water shortages that a very many schools in the thunder valley which are struggling to manage water and provide safe water to their kids. you know, so that's why we work with public schools where there is a dire need of water and support them with an alternate resource of water by high resting that in water, that is falling on bear on the rooftop. if you're just filtering it and ensuring that it can be reused, unpredictable monsoon rains and a rapidly growing city are clearly big challenges here. but many hoped that by conserving water, they'll at least start to reduce them from the other liberal algebra cut man to ah, it is good to have you with us. hello, adrian. shouldn't get here and go ha, the headlines while 0, un secretary general, until you the trash is meeting washes foreign minister in moscow. ahead of talks with president vladimir putin, which i was just hoping to open up diplomatic channels between russia and ukraine.
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i know that a we have to day facing the complex situation. you can different interpretations about what's happening. great. that does not limit the possibilities. it's worth very serious dialogue or know best. we can work to minimize the suffering people on the other hands. the judge extremely interested in finding ways in order to create the conditions for effective dialogue, create the conditions for a ceasefire as soon as possible. create the conditions for a peaceful solution. the u. s. is hosting ukraine focus defense talks and it's ramstein, air based and germany defense. secretary lloyd austin, opened the meeting, pledging to continue support for keith against what he called a lawless invasion. russia's foreign minister says that there's a real threat of
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a 3rd world war. so gay lover of his accusing nature of waging a proxy war with moscow on the ukrainian side. it's foreign minister says the rhetoric from russia means that they're sensing defeat explosions of damage to soviet era. radio antenna in the break away, moldova region of trans nice trip, the antenna broadcast, washer radio, from the village match. it's the 3rd such attack in 24 hours in the russian backed region, and that's prompted moldova to hold an urgent security meeting. at least 5 people have been killed and several others injured after a van exploded at the unit at the university of karachi in pakistan. police say that the vehicle blew up with several people inside of those, the headlights that he's continues here on out a 0. after today's edition of inside story coming up next ah,
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what will the french president, 2nd term look like? emmanuel mcfall is re elected but only after defeating the far right and gaining votes from people who chose him. reluctantly. how will he deal with a divided electorate? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much am jom? emanuel mccaul is re elected president of france for a 2nd term. he's the 1st person in 20 years to achieve the feat. but the result
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from the 2nd round run off seems more a sigh of relief than a grand victory. micron defeated marine le pen who achieved the strongest ever results for a far right candidate. 28 percent of eligible voters didn't cast a ballot. that's the highest abstention rate since 1969 makram promised to be a president for everyone, including those who only voted for him to keep the pen out. attention now turns the legislative elections in june. both the far right and far left hope to win more seats and put pressure on microns agenda. bernard smith reports from paris ah, an annual micron gamble that a short but intense election campaign would be enough. it was his comfortable margin of victory over marina pan, gives him a 2nd term of the lease a palace. only 2 presidents before him had managed that. in his victory speech, makram promised that his next 5 year term would be different, said the new readiness of up this new era will not be
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a continuity of the 5 previous years. but the collector invention of a revised method for 5, better years for our country. and are you faced supporters? this is a win that endorse is what they believe is their country's role at the heart of the european union in what you sent them. i am very happy up to the last minute i thought i would have fainted him. you never know in life anything can happen. rosita was ready to give up to day extensions were significant that emanuel macaroni did a good job in the 1st years of his mandate, and he deserves to lead france again. marine le pen gave the far right the highest share of the vote in a french election, but her part to the presidency was blocked again by a republican front. in other words, many voters who supported other candidates in the 1st round voted this time to keep le pen out that martini but today is we. the game is not over in a few weeks, will have the legislative elections. ah,
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which as we know are a distortion of the political trend and create a risk of emmanuel mackerel, concentrating our executive and legislative powers. sir john lew, melanie shown the far left presidential candidate, took just one percent less of the vote than the pen in the 1st round. he wants his party, france on bowed to win enough support in the legislative elections. the macro is forced to appoint him prime minister, yet to should, to all of you, i say, do not resign yourself. on the contrary, go candidly and completely into the action. democracy could once again, is the means to change direction. the war in ukraine and the rising cost of living with main concerns for french voters, both issues will likely dominate the start of microns 2nd term. that probably won't be much like grace period to the present as usual on the left, many aluminum on voted for him reluctant, her mind runs promised to raise the retirement age. we'll make it easier to hire
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and fi workers with full unemployment benefits. protest says godaddy's 1st, i think this could erupt again. furnace me al jazeera. ah. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests from one toy france to mark. generally, a political scientist in paris does in vapor program coordinator at the german marshall fund of the united states. and in both in the united kingdom or william martin, a senior lecturer and politics at the university of bath and author of reactionary democracy i racism. and the populace far right became mainstream. a warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story or elliana. let me start with you today. there are those who have said that the result of this election is a rejection of the far right. but marine le pen achieved the strongest ever result for a far right candidate. so is it too early to celebrate?
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absolutely, i don't think they should be any celebration. to be honest, mind the panels broken a new record for, for the fall, right. and for, for the fall slash ref number him, i'm not sure now she has done much better than a father ever did. she has done much better than she ever did as well. so it's not a victory by, by any stretch of the imagination. and i think worse than that, in fact, she want to get the candidate, he spent the best of the past 5 years mainstreaming a lot of our ideas and publicly pushing a lot of islam who eat politics into the mainstream as well. so. so i think what it may be an electron defeat for the far right the far right, you still winning ideologically in france at the moment. my president micron had attempted to appeal to the left, especially in the past few weeks in order to win this election. do you think we're going to see more attempts from him at a left word shift going forward? is he going to pay, for example, more attention to social issues going forward?
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well, if we, if we believe the, with what he said during the acceptance speech, while his victory speech yesterday evening, he said that he knew he was aware of the fact that millions of left wing voters voted for him on need to make sure the far right to not see spouse so, and that you would take that into account why this is why framing a new way to them. okay, but what we actually do, what he should do, obviously, is to try to, to create a, what we call a multinational in french, which is basically a specific, a global political union, national unity governments with everyone except far right and may be far left. so that's what, that's what he should do in order to, to, to, to,
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to bring political appeasement to the country. but we are, we have absolutely no evidence. that is actually what he's going to do that, what should politically, but we don't know if he's going to do that, is in, i imagine this must have been a huge sigh of relief out of brussels and, and also out of washington with that with the result of this election? correct? yeah, exactly. i think it was a sigh of relief in basically on european capitals and of course also on the other side of the atlantic. because if we think through the scenario and the pen as a french president, that would have been devastating consequences for the european union because the pen would have broken with basically all print key principles of european integration such as the principle of supremacy of national law. and also, i know the unwritten principle,
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but the very well established practice of french german cooperation are key issues . so yes, indeed, it is a very good news for europe, but also for trans atlantic corporation that my coal has long presidency again. and particularly in brussels. we're still holding the rotating presidency of the council of the news. that means that we can most likely expect more initiatives from the french size and more also very ambitious initiatives from the french side over the next 2 and a half months. that is the time remaining officer saving presidency. and yeah, that is a good step to advance on many issues of european integration already. and i just wanted to speak with you for a moment about the, the far right in, in france in the moment that they find themselves in right now. i mean, eric's more had campaigned on a much more extreme platform and in the run up to the 1st round of the presidential
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elections. did his campaign make marine in the pen, seem moderate by comparison? and i guess what i'm asking is, did his campaign normalize marine la pen? absolutely, yeah, i think in fact, mind the pen benefited both from a more making her look moderate by comparison, as you said, because there was a lot more extreme on bias positions, you know, where he was pouting. old kind of fall right for us. and other positions which made her look more wonder even her her program with actually with potentially more radical than been in 2017. but i think she was benefited from from the continuous mainstreaming of fall, right. politics in france, which we've witnessed in the past 20 years, at least, and but my point as pushed as well further. so at the same time loop, it was, she did not run a publicly very good campaign campaign where there was a re, she benefited from actually the both, both sites around her who, one of a,
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one of making her look more moderate. and the other one looking her more, making a little more legitimate and mainstream so so i think she was very lucky with the way the campaign find out. she is there more so allowed her to avoid some of the flag. i think she would have got regarding russia and her leaves to russia, and it seems, but it's more who has suffered most from these to my, let's speak for a moment with you about what's going on with the left at this moment in france. what has this election cycle meant for the left, john look, mental shown, he got very, very close to reaching the 2nd round in the presidential election. what happens now? ah, breaking it to preventing to go live to moscow now where the un secretary general and the russian foreign minister are speaking. you can see so gay level there after the pair net this morning. let's listen in was crucial context or it
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was all g told her, ah, american nerve earth partners and nom up your opinions to create a new world. and the new g geopolitical world. as to our earned the geopolitical, it's face it, everything will sir done in order to hold hold of thought russian federation and ukraine was used as her other ads are those dark spring board forms are for the earth grains still holding on russia and no russian or ukrainian, or authorities were encouraged to of been the russian language, russian culture, everything russian in fact. and in parallel as they were creating laws. ok, creating a steps which are putting forward that knotty theory,
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nazi practice in ukraine learners. and of course, the secretary general knows all about it and all those decisions which were made ah, by president putin, about her a reasons 3rd aims or of her arm of military operations who were together. oh, with her, ah, militia of the dawn as kindle hands, peoples, if public on the territory of ukraine, the days aims. ah ha, directed to the protection of the peace of both that civilian population. and we are interested or in corporation or with r e n. and colleagues and the year in touch reads across our colleagues as to the alleviating the suffering of the civilian population. the un after when only had contacts were a minister of defense and no general security. and you and general secretary over,
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we decided and we agreed. and formed working group, which is faced in moscow here. i am own working here within our and ministry of defense. working with the u. n. a. and they discussing the things which are held at the distribution of the anterior aid. and with a we managed to set up 5, a convoys or 2 different parts of ukraine and on top of the humanitarian aid, which is on a daily basis distributed among the ukrainian and citizens, and also in don as can landscape on behalf of the russian. i ministry of defense and her, and some other russian organizations. and today we discussed the opportunity and the possible actions little steps to strengthen our corporation in
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this direction. and i think that we will, we will be able to a, from t create the necessary steps, which we could no take under the present circumstances. and of course we're, we're talking about the future of the united nations as a whole, about the tries of our western colleagues to try to take the discussions on all of all the issues outside the offices of the united nations and creating different partnerships and different appeals which the being presented as the dog selected club, the club for the selected and firm appearance and sat, france and germany flitting forward, the so called alliance of the multi lateralus. what is it, if it's not, it is
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a competition with a jo, ann or the u. s. id of us at the so called summit of democracy and they were sending their invitations without consulting any one that sort of said, sir informed her interlocutors to day. and this is actually a very dangerous signal to the earth to you and the tries that attempts to cross out the basics of her own you unchartered that this organization was set up was on the basis of the sovereign equality of this, of the countries. and it's it, it's clearly marked in the un charter, and we have to make sure that nobody in new york or in other capitals up won't forget about this. and i want to finish this or to express my gratitude to the un, un secretary general,
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who on earth put forward their initiative to create this a meeting to set up this meeting. and we are paid oliver where they're very appreciate you very much. the position of the united nations are generally sector troll ernst with all the problems in the world affairs they stifled further open discussion is very useful. in the end, we'll go back to the ag say to think that will go back to the un charter. and on the basis of this charter will build up any names with any schemes and forms of the development of them. multilateralism, which is one of the key turns, and i'm very grateful that the secretary general a took this in this a in this context. thank you ladies and gentlemen of the press, the secretary general's united nations. i came to moscow as
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a messenger of fish. my objective and my agenda is strictly linked to save lives and previous suffering. i had a very frank discussion with the foreign minister said go, i've ross. and it is clear that there are due to different positions on what is happening in ukraine. according to the russian federation, what is taking place is a special need that your promotion with your objectives as well or not. according to the un in line with the resolutions passed by the general assembly rushes invasion of ukraine is a violation of his very thought of the infinity and against the chart that of united nations. but it is my deep conviction that the sooner we end these war, the better for the people of ukraine, for the people of the russian federation. and those 5 young united nations as
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repeatedly called forces fires, to protect civilians and to facilitate the political dialogue to reach a solution. so far that has not been possible to day across the lawn. bass. the violent battle is under way with 3 men. those thus and destruction many civilians are being killed than that of the thousands of people are in life threatening conditions trapped by the conflicts. i am concerns about the repeated reports of violations of international method in human rights law and possible or crimes and daily required independent investigation for effective accountability as yet, until he needs you. mythology and cory laws, they thought truly safe and effective, and her death are respected by all to that great civilians and the lever much needed assistance. for that end, i have proposed the establishment of
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a humanitarian contact lou bringing together the russian federation, ukraine, and united nations. to look for opportunities for the opening of safe cory vase with local cessation of hostilities and to guarantee that they are actually effective. simultaneously, we recognize that we face a crisis unit, rises in multiple thousands of civilians are in dire need of life saving humanitarian assistance and many evacuation. the united nations is ready to fully mobilize its human and logistical resources to help save lives in value. paul, my proposal is for a coordinated work of united nations, the international committee of ref, cross, and ukraine. and the russian federation forces to enable the safe evacuation of those civilians want to leave both inside the as all star plan and in the city.
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in any direction they choose and to the lever lumen italian know the requires. and this is not just the boats. lot is happening in ukraine as we are seeing shock waves around the oils. that emetic, as celebration of the increase of the prices for food and energy that was already thinking place in the last ears are causing enormous suffering through hundreds of millions of the most loanable people worldwide. and these cups on top of the shock of the continuous, coffee's 19 pandemic, and the uneven access to resources for recovery. that particularly penalize developing countries around the worlds as so the sooner piece is established, the better for the sake of ukraine, russia and for the wolves. and it's very important,
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even in these moments of difficulty to flip alive the values of multilateralism. we neither worlds that is multi paula with multi level institutions and those multilateral institutions must the by, by the ran chartered and by international law and abiding by the one shot at us and by international law. recognizing full equality among states. they hopefully will be an instrument that will allow us once again to come together as human kinds and the vest. the dramatic challenges we face from climate change to epidemics and to many others. and in which the only war we should have would be a ward of those that's quotes the fall of the planet at risk provision.
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greg if, if but important part of the india could they good afternoon. i am determined from india to dear mike. i have a question each from both the leadership and beginning were to the united nations secretary general. so mr. guitarists up there are allegations and counter allegations regarding genocide, war crimes, human shields, as also a reports of chemical weapons and biological weapons being used. you spoke about contact group and humanitarian corridors. you also spoke about investigations. will the united nations look at independent investigations, creating a team and investigating team to look into the facts on the ground? and and my question to the foreign minister, sir, ah, board side, whether it's the united nations or the international community,
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i looking at negotiated settlement and cease fire. should russia look at a negotiated settlement? is there a country or an organization that could act as a mediator? who would russia consider as a mediating agency? thank you. well, the ram secretariat as not to the power to do investigations of that kind. ah, we have her international criminal court. her. we have a different mechanisms that exists in the human rights system, memory formations of inquiry, or it is not my intention to promote an investigation myself. i have not your thought before it, but i think it's very important to have independent investigations in order to have full credibility and full accountability. let's talk a so somebody over the saw in the yellow process,
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michelle's actually causes them on my part of question. and in the beginning, i just would like to say that the positions that the world or community and takes now and how are they un shoud are there that in mind of kennedy or whether the u. n. and the charter with the sovereign or equality of the states as, as i mentioned, mister secretary general mentioned the general assembly resolution, which der condemned to russia and her called what is happening in russia as an invasion, the breach of the 70. and now due to an integrity and i have to say if there wasn't consensus on this resolution, that many countries were complaining to us that they were made, vote a certain way. and the ambassadors were basically capturing captured in the corridors of juan. and the you are for american friends,
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clearly not how to threaten people because the yoga your children are in the yes, your children now in the us universities. nevertheless, this resolution was not adopted or unanimously. a couple of dozens of countries refuse to support a cleaning, although no, you an om of its additions should be as a, as a mandates a. but the security council resolutions also should be sacrosanct. especially the resolutions which were adapted by the all about the consensus of all the 15 are members when they all vote for a certain decision. and so back in the february 2015 with the consensus, we adopted a document which was called the minsk list of measures, which gives us the way up to her rex tile over to key of and done as can landscape in order to settle all the problems within the boundaries
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of her territory, integrity of ukraine, we had to just hard to fulfill her. these documents, which are the president obama chance girl, the nurse present lansky signed and to give a special state as to donates and landscape declared republics. and to declare amnesty. and make sure that the union constitution is a corrected in a certain way. but that was so and yet at the same time, keeping the territorial integrity of ukraine under they had to an organized on the elections in dawn as can enhance garrett. i don't remember the secretariat of the united nations reacted a certain way to this direct sabotage of this. this absolute deb, i knew sure, brutal, sabotage of states by key of the of this is kiera. ukraine are
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a part of the international law will spoke about it today and honesty, blue know each other quite some time. and we have friendly relations. i think that this type of a conversation is impossible to delay and delay when we, we are 1st this period of the development of intentional relations where there's a cup moment of truth comes in. we either agree that of someone and the group of his or satellites decides harder for human kind will live or the human kind will live on the basis of the un charter. this as simpler that nobody wants or was, god forbid. but put forward some argument.

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