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to a carcass. now, the secretary general is here briefly. he did speak. he did say that war in the 21st century was an absurdity. and he went on saying that he could imagine his grandchildren may be living in one of these apartment blocks and then running for their lives on the bombed. so from now, from here, as i said, he's going to go to europe in which is, which has this very symbolic image of the war. that bridge that was destroyed. and you had all these people fleeing from, under the bridge as the russians were trying to approach keith. now, this is all happening. i had of his high level meetings 1st with the foreign minister dmitri labor, and then was president lensky himself. and i think it was very important for the secretary general to do this visit here and go and see for himself before meeting the president. what has actually happened simply because president lanky a few days ago, had expressed his his,
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i would say he was being lived. he was miffed by the fact that the secretary general had gone 1st to moscow. i had that those meetings and let's go 1st before coming here to ukraine. and at the time president lensky had said that it would have been better if the secretary general had come here seen for himself, this gale of devastation. and then gone on to moscow to have the talks with both to foreign minister then. then president, president vladimir putin, what they will discuss later when you meet the link is the idea of the human. it's very important afforded by both the 2 and, and the international red cross. something must go has given a green light in principle, but is something that is just a nightmare. and so far, all attempts of human terry and corridors have more or less failed. so certainly a lot of work for the secretary general here. how to just keep in mind, we only have one minute left on it, but just tell us about what his next move,
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what he's planning to do. while he is going to go to the airplane, he should be on his way now, which is another town who has seen a lot of fighting and it's quite see exactly the same image that you see here. chart. building houses are completely reduced to rubble and then he will have had boots, where there was a lot of where people investigate the grounds and he will attend a mass burial of all these bodies that had been exempt lately. all right, thank you very much for that. update of dell homie live for i say i need cave. all right, we'll have more on the war in ukraine at the top of the alice. i do stay with us. but in the meantime, had to our website, which is 0 dot com, and inside story is coming up next. talk to al jazeera, we ask, what is the time table in your mind?
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when do you think that you are, can be off russian gas? we listen when i have seen and played football with these refugees, i look at them and they're happy. they're smiling. we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on how to see the government in the market is benz a campaign called india. out it's critical of you dallas military presence and political influence in the country. but what's behind this campaign? and what does that mean for the close ties between india and the bodies? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hashem, abala, india out that the slogan, some opposition parties in the ball days have been repeating for more than 2 years
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now, claiming the government is selling their country to india. c ah, the campaign now banned by the government started in 2020 our streets protests quickly, gaining traction and social media. those behind is say, they only oppose india's small military presence in the bodies and are not against trade, cultural and other ties. a coalition of opposition party is led by a former president of the law mean accused the government of signing secret deals with new delhi, allowing indian troops to be permanently stationed in the bodies of his also a wider geopolitical site of this. as the bodies has emerged as an important battle ground for competition between india and china in south asia. in november,
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the government issued the following statement. the government of mold is strongly rejects attempts to spread force information through media and across social media platforms, using the so called india outs. logan alleging that bilateral corporation between the governments of bodies and india, undermines the national security and sovereignty of wild is support provided by india. an area such as search and rescue capabilities. casualty evacuation, coastal surveillance, and maritime reconnaissance directly benefit the body of the people. india's presence in the market is, has been so far limited while cooperation between the 2 nations goes years back. new delhi had donated to helicopters and donia aircraft to maldives to help with medical evacuations, and see surveillance. 75 indian personnel are stationed him. all these are the
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moment to maintain and operate the aircraft. the 2 countries are also working on an intellect radar chain to secure their own shawls. ah, let, bring in our gas. joining us from molly is ham dan shaquille. he is founder, an editor at malty is news network. oh, de chandler is assistant professor of government at georgetown university, doha. he joins us from split in croatia. and joining us from the delhi by skype is newton go. com, a seo and editing chief at strategic news global. welcome to the program. ham. done this back on india out. is it a and attend by the government to prevent hatred speech, or is it politically motivated? oh, thank you for her. the india. oh campaign. i think it,
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it's a bit more complicated than simply and just a political movement ah, ah, the movement back presses its past origins all the way back to 2 other i when india fust decided to expand bear defense grade to encompass even the mulligan mold is through childhood, so i, it can't be deemed as a simple movement and are most certainly the current goldman is i don't young to portrayed as such and her, and in the process quarter, ill, some fundamental rise in the attempt to, or trade it at an political movement which is detrimental to the bilateral relations with countries, but i'd left, i don't think i, which is they would be a to i to say that the india movement. he's just
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a simple political move. her day. the government is saying the reason why it is banning india out because the campaign is widely seen as undermining relations with india. others, on the other hand, say that this is just an attempt by the government to undermine the chances for the le me of the opposition leader ahead of the next presidential elections. i think there is some truth to it, but i have to say that in mall deeps as in sri lanka, there are these small states and the, and the island states are trying to counterbalance india and china. and so i think for each of these governments and even if the government changes, you see hasn't sri lanka, you know, they have to kind of milk both eyes. they have to play both sides and a, in some ways, you know, yes, it is about preempting the opposition from doing the same thing. but that's the domestic aspect of it. but let's not forget, there is the wider international relations of the indian ocean. ok, newton,
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what's the view in india? is it seen as an attempt to guess the india 1st policy by a president while how many abraham sada? indeed the view in india is that the this is an opposition sponsored down move against the current government. been mon lease, because if it was initially the india military out starting 201220138 merged into a sort of monster into india campaign. and i just want to know by the establishment i bought in molly as well as a new really that the, the former president of the lay, i mean, never protested against the u. s. military backed data, the more leevins her gone insane. so basically it is the main for
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o domus body. it is meant for the upcoming elections is the view, annandale, and so does not reel this as school wide spread, although on the zone. so leave decision to bandy campaign is also seen as o reaction in some quarters in india. so there are elements, sofa, i would say a sickness or to woodside in this hum, done the argument by the opposition. that the reason why the launch the india out campaign is their biggest concern about the scribe is the growing mandatory presence of india in the archipelago. is this something which he has justified or do you see it more of an exaggerated attempt by the opposition to blow the presence of india and the country out of proportion? i don't think it is that we'll have a thought on there as a, as or know 31 word to the printed learn to one. the defense minister already
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testified in front of the, our parliament, comet young on security services where she for admitted beth. ah, there is a large number of, ah, indian military personal in them all these ah, ah, that which, which, which up until that that point head me tonight by the want of wall leaves which our, which is further testament booth. which while further gives customer to our credibility to the our positions, ah, ah, there allegations then, the armed goal month, these allowing, ah india to or indignantly stationed them with a true personal in they are molded. send i like other, are we understand that? ah, in other day haitians we weren't there are for him. ah, live true basis, or which ah, which does or type the vessel which independence. but what we have to understand here is that, ah, in this context mall, this is the unique in that we are
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a us small island nature with very little, ah, ah, natural resources we have very little, ah, ah, our defense a force is, ah, ah, what a lot of vastly, ah, and move quip compare global regional neighbor. so even a dental sham of stationing are a few 100 soldiers, these, these therapist, this pauses and interstitial thread, the more this is a silver base. okay? so this, this is the main one, son bet the opposition is raising. and i'd love to just, ah, highlight that, ah, that contrary to wow, what the more current edwin stretched his eye or ting b r o position filled her. ah, indeed campaign, as it is in fact, ah, the largest fully to political honor manner. there was a campaign the all use since 2018. the latin that largest for i least in the world,
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is, has been a par note campaign. so there is a public support void and their arguments are i believe justify. okay. knit in it. is there any sentiment in india that this is not just a campaign sponsored by the opposition coalition in mall dees, but rather an attempt by the chinese to stop the rise of indians influence in south asia? well certainly, and there is no note about her that lives in my mind that behind the scene the chinese are instigating these purpose and this campaign because they lost out the ottoman but they were in full flow in one of these. when was the end of july, i mean wasn't bottle and he was completely in the chinese can,
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as is born on by the events in that period. so they would certainly like to make a comeback girl, a because the current government and saying that it is india, 1st of want to see that it is an author and jane, i would certainly like to reverse their policy by backing delay. i mean, the supporters are to come into a bar again, and this is one way of trying to make their way back to bar elections or just 11 away. and therefore nobody in india surprised uh with the dye me and the dawn and dinner of the campaign itself. at least in my mind, i have no doubt that this is jamie sponsored, her movement, no lively financed by the end, is if not a back door ro physically then as of physically participated by a chinese in mother oh day, the well known them all the archipelago as
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a tourism hom, but many a wandering, how could this place become a battle ground for a china india rivalry of the region? ah, well, you know, the chinese have a string of pearls strategy which they've tried to implement it's proteins shankar the mom needs are the number of on the countries. it connects with their broader interests in east africa and the gulf and tuning to buy and so on. and so i think india is a bit late to this game. it's realized that it has to kind of compete in a certain way. this is not a military competition or directly economic competition, but there is a geopolitical kind of strategic dimension to it. it also has to do with what, where the governments are friendly to one or the other regional power. but you can see that there is a u. s. backed india as a counter to my knees interests, which is you know,
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in some ways in parallel to the belt and road initiative. bitch, people have written much about it. okay. had done the in india has always had this privilege status with the, with the mold is all that came to an end in 2013. when of the law, yameen came to power and said, is going to be dow china 1st than 2018 mohammed by himself comes to power and that he says, no, it's going to be now india. first, this shifting dynamic in the country with at each president coming to power, is this something that could potentially undermine stability in the montes? i don't think it was necessarily that it was a char. are china 1st policy under president lloyd army?
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because ah, as far as i recalled school, it was under president of the current administration back there go want of all these. ah, i'll try it out. that it. what if the side batteries little politics up until that point are the maldives has had maintained an under label my in regards to our regional policy expired just or did our president ob lloyd army go you play at ministration? i prefer trading the china. yes. he bah, according to ah, the people i have in to you and met so far. ah, the mall is did see co alternative trade partners, including japan and a few banks in germany at. but what the chinese offer, in terms of her interest threats and your terms, it was just follow, ah, ah,
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appealing den. but i, india, japan, and all other countries offered. so obviously, in an attempt to maximize the in such a door, much needed little section justified by his president le mars chose to partner with china. but the duct that does not mean that ah, it's all our one mouldy, the other one ah, even up until he's ah and of his administration, he maintained diplomacy and he maintained bella lithia even bother our situation. possibly be all countries due to their singular fact bad at the indian r a go mantra. fuel sto removed, her ladyship personally, the more use or even after repeated requests by her polish foreign region. he mom was just ministry and according to this recently are league documents. ah,
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the indian ministry bustling, the all use attached to the indian helped us both formally cluster to i really am soaked and took and now falling them fusing. they were there, he suspect, even a lawyer and us to our played leave, but they did not. so these are the extent that ah, india attempted to maintain dent pleasantly, but all leaves at the disciple of the motive, gama little la. okay, ha, i see a point nittany you've just heard what hampton has been saying about this going sentiment in montes about the need for the indian military personnel to leave the country. this is the country where the, where people are proud about their sense of independence and the semen through presence as something that undermines their sovereignty. isn't india running the risk of losing the hearts and minds of the people in the maldives in the future? well, i don't think so,
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because if you look at the number of military exchanges that happened military exercises joined patrolling off of the season on one of these exchanges between the 2 armed forces and the number of people who trained one armed forces with a mental train in india, in the main dinner distributions, i don't think the risk of losing hearts and minds of the people exist. because one section of the population, which is the which a, which is the supporters of probably the current opposition, might feel in that way. but the indian military personnel in military platforms are in one of these at the, in relation of them on the government. so when the government will say that we are getting genie from the do plan and we learned back to exist with the united states where there is no protest against the provisions and the,
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the act of the back to the u. s. a similar backed up with a problem because in no collision, because it has a history with the indian government and the gods as it were, leads to the situation, develops effective in more leaves. the government subsided with one, a, china and in india comes back in to a position of influence that continues in small locations around end of this day. so you have this been on india out campaign before that the government was adamant about the need to introduce a new legislation which was going to at which it was going to been any organizational campaign seen as a threat to mall. dees flooring policy. all of the countries florida and
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relations with foreign countries. i we hear dealing with a government determined to continue to clam done or freedom of expression. ah, i am not sure i would, i would necessarily um ah see it in those toms, but i think yes it is a freedom of expression in all of south asia at this point is a massive concern. and this is a concern because people are upset. they're expressing their grievances, actor towards governments that do not deliver on democratic mandates. and so we've the point where we had democracy's, at least in name elections happen and regular cycles. i'm but regardless of who comes to power, a set of grievances persist. so or we find this now you see it to lancaster, you see it parked on recently you see
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a ton of situations where the political system is unable to deal with the demands that are coming in are there are grievances which cannot be met. and then there are crackdowns, decal, expressions, speech, or day. i'll the les, i mean, when, when he was president of montes took all the measures to stifle dissent. clumped down on his opponents. isn't there a risk that he could be just triggered in the campaign to further his political ambition? a secure, a come back to power? i agree with that assessment better. this is really his back to power. but let's keep in mind that he can launch this campaign because there exists a certain body of n p in the sentiment within the moral beads today. and he's able to tap into this. it's not something that he's creating out of know out of finance. we, we have to realize that the islands divided just like the political parties are
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divided into, you know, india and china facing kind of camps. and, and i think that with a lot of younger people in the more be i think there is a sense that belongs pending kind of ties with india, need to be reassessed. you know, china of course, one factor. but i do think that there is a broader kind of rethinking, also with respect to more of the big okay. handle this is a country that historically knew how to navigate its way surrounded by some geopolitical power houses. now how the americans stepping in 2020 with a defense framework agreement, is this the opportunity for the people of them all these to say that now faced with a chinese, the indians and the american is about time to reinvent the way we have to deal with great powers i think that the world is changing and
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ah, the whole whole of soak ish pill be ah, a key point of interest in the coming years. and so yes, i do believe that i'm all this itself leads to we assess its foreign policy of our nonetheless mind to our as and assess whether we need to take a bit side or in, ah, in the out broader. oh, we ought to the world. if dealing with that potential, delicious, but, but oh, no. indeed, on the subject of the indy dog repeat itself. i'd left a snort. oh humble trade to what i, mr. newton has now noted. we've been in the old campaign is not our talking about the bah and defense scar corporation within our both countries where they start talking about india and mall is conducting joint military exercises. it
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is talking about, ah, a series of military agreements which under the current constitutional, all east is illegal. and yet the current administration with us to adopt transparency and reveal to the, our palo as asked to collected in article $251.00 c of the parliament. ah, pushed juice of morse which states that, ah, nor for a madman, should be it not hotels. the morlocks may be used by a foreign blue tree. without explicit for a pool of the majority of the parliament saw r at b. b. this is where the real issue is, is not about, ah, contingent sentiment singer in the was been, are created over night, is, is not about, i ha, i what mall even speak english, see me. i against a, are people of india already. because of what a singular issue the session of all right, little personal lives under our questionable, our circumstances. unfortunately,
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were running out of town with how to leave it there for the time being had dance, shaquille o. d, chandler, and knitting go card. i really appreciate your insight. thank you. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website or dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter, i'll hand it is add a j in say story from the house model, and the entire team here in doha bye. for now. when the war on ukraine commenced, people in power reached out to inhabitants of arguments. the nation 2nd city, less than 40 miles from the russian border. as the carnage unfolds, a handful of civilians document their experiences as they tried to survive and
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