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tennis play with i'm guilty of breaching terms of his 2017 bankruptcy moneys in half now to stay with us in the world. ah, hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. a report like global for us watch says the us last a staggering 11100000 hector's of forest last year. wildfires fined by global warming and human activities such as logging and forming a causing are for us to shrink ever further. the losses include in the form and, and have all topical waiting for his last was in brazil. wildfires responsible for under a quarter of that. most of it came from agriculture expansion and milking and was global tropical forest loss, slightly decreased in 2021. but real forests in cold climate. so unprecedented

losses. 6.5000000 hector's when last 2 wildfires in russia alone. ah, let's bring in our debts now and in the u. s. state of north carolina, we have friends to see more. she's distinguished senior fellow at the world resources institute, which release this report in amsterdam, west van eden global communique director had just take it as an organization working to re green africa and an oxford u. k. michael jacobs and environmental economists at the university of sheffield. if i was welcome to all of you, francis you were involved in producing this report. it makes a pretty shocking reading. i you surprised that was still saying this much deforestation across the world, some to decades surprise. as you suggest, we do now have 20 full years of data from satellite imagery,

monitoring and have seen just a steady persistence, stubborn loss, so forth at this level. you mentioned it last year in 2021 more than 1000000. heck, there's just been sequestration by diversity conservation indigenous peoples. so it's really a catastrophe, but really for the last 20 years, that last of tropical human tropical forest primary force has hubbard between 3 and 4000000 hector's for 20 years now. so it's another us right now folks a little bit more on the impact of this deforestation. and when we've got 10 football pitches, a virgin for us being lost every minute. my goodness, when i was a teenager in the age myself has i'm so 20 to 30 years ago. these figures were being bounded around then i remember football, 5 football pitch size patches, and right. and what is sometimes lexus? all the doom and gloom. this being portrayed, which is scientifically very true,

does not lead to a lot of hope and inspiration for people to actually be able to do something. so would we just try to do is really focus on solutions, nature based solutions. and even though the numbers are devastating, again, no denying death, we do believe that re greening is possible, really valuable, and that the more and more luckily, people are trying to recognize these as acids and not as you know, natural resources alone, but really as economical assets to a country. so i think examples, indonesia is a perfect example that yes, we can turn the tides if, if there's only a will numbers of products, not just foods actually, but more, but other products as well that use vegetables. and that moratorium has definitely contributed to the reduction in the loss. the rate of loss of indonesia is rain forest. remember this is not an absolute declining a or abs. we'll see huge pressures to plot more trees to take more

land or from her virgin forest to turn it into plantation land and, and in other parts of the world. for example, brazil to grow crops which are, which are more profitable than they were even last year. what it goes on a little bit, and one of the major success is of the last few years has been the number of multinational corporations, particularly northern ones, where there is some consumer pressure from consumers in northern countries, global north country. and unfortunately, although it is absolutely true that forests are in themselves resources in a global market, your competing against the other things you could do with along to the land, clearing it for beef, which is a huge commodity on the global market. the pressures that jericho narrows under to create more money. municipalities, you know, to perform and soy traders association imposed

a voluntary moratorium on sourcing soil from recently before the gland and the combination of all these things, including recognizing indigenous territory. establishing new protected areas brought the rate of deforestation down by something like 80 percent of the brazilian amazon that's being cleared for this commodity agriculture. but by contrast in indonesia, the 1st 15 years of this century, we had a steady upward margin of the forest. and the president suggested that was due mostly to palm while we're also clearing for pest growing timber for the pulp and paper industry. but for me again and again, you know, i sort of national sovereignty protection response to heavy handed in positions of restrictions or worse, oil in case the european or other markets are close me. and so we don't want to do is, is, is, have the perverse effect. so in my view merits, and the one that we have an international framework floor is performance based

finance for success in reducing emissions from deforestation. it's called red plus what countries can do. but need the incentive leslie you thing any positive rewards in the areas where you're working? i mean, you're in east africa, you're doing a lot to reach. so there are beauty examples and i, i think the community is benefiting india and we'll make sure that the country's benefit is, oh ok. well, as we mentioned just a little earlier, 141 countries signed a declaration at the cop 26 climate summit. in glasgow last year to holt and reverse deforestation by 23rd. wouldn't that how much store do you lay in such pledges? how much optimism do you attached to them? well, it must be better to have the pledges for not to have them. there is no question, but when countries signed declarations like this in public and it was also companies and finance ears because pledges do mean something. so it must be better to have them than not. but greenpeace is right that in themselves,

the pledges are not really enough. and we're seeing this of course, in climate change action in every field. this is true in, in the general targets that countries and companies have got. and it's specific energy targets and synergy and, and forestry is that there are rather small number of energy uses that big companies that produce most of the energy in the world. and you can regulate them and tax them and give them incentives. and they are part of a, an organized system of policy in most countries. deforestation occurs through thousands and thousands of land owners and people who use other people's land. and it, it occurs over massive areas, the very size of the areas that we're talking about. so i working with those local communities at the very grass roots level. where do you think that there is enough organizations like you knows, working throughout the world or well, there's never enough to begin with. no,

i think there can be more. and i think one important thing to add is here is we're talking about legislation and government pressure and regulations, and i completely agree that kind of, it's very difficult. it's easier when it comes to the energy sector because they're a limited amount of players. and you can put, you know, laws on them and make them behave accordingly. but i think when it comes to when it comes from restoration because not only about conservation but really restoration. what just think it is all about communication is so important. and again, like i said previously, not only to do my part where we state the facts, like, you know, the amount of d for stations is going on. we need to keep doing that very important. but also people tend to react better to hope and inspirational stories. so what just, just trying to do, not only in africa, but especially folks on europe and africa just to tell us stories of how relatively simple and again, relatively it is to recreate in almost lots of land, low most low tech, you know, going back to the roots or farming where we used to come from and not this intense meet producing farming, but really looking at, you know, agra forestry, a small,

the potential of the small farmers. and we really believe positive storytelling goes along the way. so we worked with a lot of partners will help us in trying to tell that story. and what we see is there so much young people, especially reacting to that, getting a lot of positive energy from, you know, at least there is a part of the solution and we're not yet registered the big polluters. but, but the storytelling is really something that goes along with, well, i completely take the point and agree with you, but unfortunately i'm going to have to go back to the biggest doom and gloom aspect of this report. at the moment. it's a crucial that we haven't touched on yet. and frances is that the amazon rain forest is almost at tipping point. now this, i found incredibly scary. what does it mean to be a tipping point? because it also says that if this happens, it blows out of the water all efforts to contain global warming. can you expand a little bit more on that for us? certainly. so the idea of a tipping point is that at a certain degree of tree cover loss in a forest ecosystem like the amazon,

that one can get into a positive feedback loop in which increase the continuing deforestation leads to warmer and dryer conditions, which makes the forest more vulnerable to fire, the last mint that we have left. are we going to reach that tipping point? oh, i defer to the scientists on this. but as francis says that they are warning that these points are much closer than they used to be. and that is unsurprising because of the, the trends in deforestation. and it teaches us lose all the trees or what we lose the trees because what you lose our whole ecosystems and the climatic balance that those ecosystems have created. we live in which human society is live and that's a really profound lesson which human societies used to understand. and actually the people who live in the rain forests tend discussion to day france in seymour wessel than eaten, and my coat jacobs. and thank you to for watching,

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