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chad again delays a dialogue on national peace, the military government, opposition groups and rebels were supposed to start discussions on a new constitution and holding elections. so after a year of political turmoil, what will this mean? what chad, this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim, jim. it has been a year of political upheaval in chad. the sudden death of long time president

interest debbie last april left a power vacuum. his son, an army general, soon took over and formed a transitional military council mohammed edris debbie promised a quick return to democracy. but that hasn't happened. a national dialogue with opposition groups and rebel fighters has been postponed for a 2nd time. the talks were supposed to start next week, about 300 representatives from the military government, opposition groups and rebel forces have been holding preliminary discussions in cooper. but they may little progress on constitutional reforms and holding elections. cutter says it hopes the delay will give all size more time to reach a peace agreement. so how to chad get here? rebels launched the major incursion in the north of chad during elections last year . a day after winning the pole president interest that he was killed while visiting the front lines. his son, 4 star general ma, how much interest debbie rapidly took over in a qu. he promised to hold elections in 18 months after a national dialogue. as a precondition to join those talks, rebels demanded

a general amnesty and the release of prisoners. debbie complied in march. the government rebels and opposition groups began talks in doha a month later than scheduled. chad stability is crucial for its neighbors. the country lies across the south head and beside the one of africa, it soldiers, our integrity to the g. 5 star had joint force battling armed groups in the reach. ah, alright, let's bring it, i guess. joining us from chad's capital and jemina is romaji. why not be he's a senior researcher at the institute for security studies of the way, a greg who is a security analyst at the consultancy, afro political. he joins us from a boucher and joining us from our slona is enrica pico. she's the director of the central africa project at the international crisis group. a very warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story romaji, let me start with you today. the dialogue a national piece has been delayed once again. what are the reasons for that?

i think that demand region and the fish and want to be know from now is it demand from the cutter? asking the chinese government to postpone, holding up to date on the 10th of may as planned and demand. also, the money came from a demon already made by the different groups that, that also sitting in the work after discussing actually with the transitional government. and this came as a result of the fact that the debates are not really moving forward. and people sitting actually far from it be some women that's lower than it is. she's probably i and then coming to the national inclusive dialogue that is supposed to start here . independent for me. so here are the main reason for that and rica after a year of such political turmoil, what does this delay mean for chad?

well, the main conference of the, of the delay. yeah. the impact on the overall transition of the 18 months on the she was supposed to and this year right down the, the sierra we disintegration election and establishment of elected the new elected. so these are my arise concerned about the length of their transition of the duration of the transition and the community and the child in outdoor it is that of stick in power where after that of presidents, late person to be well the way the discussions that have been going on thus far in copper? how have they been going? yeah, i think one of the things just got to do are talk is that the issues of a complex on the very long standing because the problem that they knew in chad

would be under you didn't start after the death of my prison debbie. even while they're from prison with an office, they were, they were groups who are very dissatisfied with, with the government, the river groups opposition, party member because of high lead lead the contrast at the time. so these are very long, st. on the issues it's, it's a bit too optimistic to expect that within a team or you could agree or you could start a very so lead conversation and end the conversation with maybe and of declaration to say ok. now move on to national look. so i think one of one of the mostly put on because we have to record made it to take a period of time, a good amount of time to actually trust this issue. one of the other because like i said, you know, course across all of town. so say what i would been in a political reforms or is it will need questions about the city itself. and also,

you know, issues it nikki, just so it's, it's quite a bit that you have on the list. and i didn't really look at the time the day progresses, given the complexity of the issues you were just talking about, how complicated all these issues are and how and how far they go back. were you surprised that that the delay happened that these delays have happened, or were you expecting them unless our, our spectrum them on. if you look at comments coming from one of the, one of the african diplomats who are observing the talk, either not surprised as well. and that is because, for instance, if we, if you look the government, the government, the government in charge is very open to the, to the process commit to the process. and if you, if you see the, when the front for change of concord in charge said they wanted you know, the government to got the precondition for the,

for the talk the government did back back in november got the new and this is a 296 in a combat on the new for from the group. so there is a commitment from the government. so what if you look at the rebels side? the issues of that is a way to begin to get very complicated because you have new demand going to like the mama they be shouldn't stand for reelection or all of these assets and the government. it's so you know how part to do that. give me this confession, but you have to also reconcile the competing rival we will between the opposition. i rebel. what? because while the might be for me, for the position you have about the experience in, in the process in doha, with tween the member making of disco be, are very strong divisions. and i'm very strong issue that divide him. you happen to cause that all of this because if you just move rush the process, what do you have is it, is it like oh, and agreement? that is joseph violet on the pond. and these groups are not going to hold on

because agreement going forward. when do not, not really know, gets on the n rica, i saw you nodding along to some of what i was saying. did you want to jump in? yeah, no, i mean i was, i was on the same line we are on the line on the fact that there is a general consensus in charge on the fact that the dialogue cannot be gone without the presence of the main, the leader of the main group so that is some polar, i'll think them so for delays, but the delay now there's something to get more and more frequent thought there was supposed to be national data internet was supposed to be out of the at the end of the last year that in january both point again, so that's becoming an issue or since then some of the also for,

for what it concerns revision of the constitution on top of the conversation. i like to show this was one of the 1st one of the engagement air conditioner, still influenced by the african union after the establishment of the media. but it was the story, the fact that those studies cannot run for election at the end of the transition. and the revision of the, of the constitution is one of the key point that should be discussed during the national doubt in jemina. so all of the issues he le le open and my became a maybe can stand after almost one year after the. and that's the question to be remind you, you wrote a piece in march in which you said the partners supporting the countries transition

dialogue and reconciliation processes should be firmer on the need to respect the timeframes and ensure inclusiveness so that no stakeholder is left on the sidelines a stalemate on these issues, could see chad slide back into political instability. so how concerned are you at this time that instability could continue and grow as the observer's. i'm really concerned by the fact that if we don't reach any peace agreement means that evan dough and national august holidays, meaning that most of the biggest urban groups out up to did. it means that day still being able to far from the country in this table. so it is something very important and coming into a piece of women, but what actually, you know, it's kind of making the, any. busy disagreement fading in the door is evan. the composition of the different

groups back to sitting at the rebel groups are so fragmented, as my colleague said. and so how can we come to them? and if the vision is not just between the government under different groups that are speaking, but also we do all the rooms are sitting to the table. so for me, we are facing to situations actually the person that there was no more visibility when they did that, the national dialogue happened. there is ever no visibility on which would be to issue the issue of the law. and then after that we, i've been questioning, when should, did a propositional end with the elections and actually then the initial 18 months that i've been planned out to me and sufficient finishing the discussion and do walk down, holding the national and going to elections. and there was something that people are not considered when discussing, you know, about the coming down too much of twisting on the discussion with that have been

groups. but at the same time there is something very important. there are a lot of dynamics into come out to me that also needed to be addressed. and those dynamics are linked to inter coming conflict to corruption and to a lot of other problems. and so if this is not a, then there wouldn't be still questions about the deepness of the bible. you know, having history been something, but there have been social is within the country to mean with political stakeholders. civil society is also something that is very important. but that actually is unforeseen by most of actors discussing, you know, about the future of the country, of in a just how crucial is chad stability for its neighbors. and how concerned are chads neighbors at this time because of what's going on. all the talk to the very, very key rule in terms of regional security. given the fact that if you look at the

issue of in the book or her, i'm forest and i swap, you know, each other. and i'm pretty very in the strategic route in pushing bark, unable, strongly struggling book. one in particular, in the, in the, in the, of the, of the war in me to 2010 and even opted up the very center of the child. that i mean was very, very, was a people out in crushing. it was one of the most important people used to look forward to was the, the presence of the, from our present going, you know, going to do a front 5th to come by group. come back on choir. i'm so chad not only says that very is with military rules, but also it's a good logistical for international security partners for all of all of the countries. no child came involved and what not, not

a joint task force with men. come come a rule and all of all of that, so please be put on to military for each of them. i don't even, you know, addressing the lot of our mentor issues even within, within your ego. so let's talk didn't commission on of course there is in germany and be walked together when coordinating coordinating with new york. and i really need to see how we can address food security issues in the child because of the shrinking of the little girl for decades. now, on the record on that, if you don't issue of security for me, from mark out to where from on the head crisis, we will not be able to solve some of the most you put on drive out of the conflict because it's under terrorism. 3rd and its demco de whenever i meant the fact. ready to does untucked please, the very,

very important rule in or in all of all of the major that is not conscious, i think in so if you and even if you see the president w twos to 2 were not contradictory with an n g i was and also, last in the present, hardy, the issue of cooperation. you know, the much luck with national. what the national debt that was built are coordination to. it's very important concept for really not. you're not security. that is why lead us on our list across the region are working very closely what is happening because believe it charles can gain more ability, i'm up and the more political submitted on it to become even even a better position. what reason i think different, enrique, if chad does continue to slide into instability, what does that mean for security and for the battle against insurgency in the horn of africa, while they submitted to the child? the issue for, for the entire region. and not only, as michael said,

for the fight against these men booklet round about the also for the, for the rest of the, of the neighbor country. i'm thinking about food on the free sounds for the violence in, in that 49, gina rising, rising. and most of the committed by mediation. so the conflict maya easily cross the border in the, in looking at the southern border, but also the situation with the some traffic and republicans. i've been down in the past. the error in my become south again, especially after the inclusion of rational medicine research into child young. so i the last the era in may and then in september. so this is those so some that the output jermaine are monitoring closely because

might be via the factors, the subsidizing, the situation in the country. and on the stable shonda my contribute to the addition of the region on the other way around. because most of the central africa read both are currently in charleston, on the south and board in the main main, the same team for folks with the eastern border it might be the safe haven for sudanese media and michael said for a portable so they tried the key most of the west, the fact that i was also, well the time, you know, the not montana the stability. but of course, the fact that the g 30 days they did electron alternative be reasonable period of time is one of the key condition that there are many

on leash on the ongoing in the, in the region, especially now with the end. so the target one is not the only one, but it can, the, for the moment was one of them all. the one of the residents also put this on regional . so we will have to see if this continues to be de caden romaji. i know we touched on this earlier in the conversation, but the amnesty law that was designed to draw arm groups into the transition process. does that exclude some entities? i think that globally misty lo actually is not truly excluding that are the biggest concern because of the fact that i've been included in the fight where the president debbie found it is not excluded from the, from the ministry. so globally, the axis but, and it's also the principal, but how does mister will be played down quickly on the ground?

i think that this is also one of the unsafe wisdom for which some of the main rebel groups lead us hours. so not very king, actually starting the discussions and then the law and then heading project man for the national. so i think you're in principle that was a large mystic but the way do some mystery might be played down. i use also one of the fee as well, some of the mandible groups, including mainly someone like my, the head of the fact of the way the front for change. and concord in chad is demanding amnesty for all of its fighters. is that an issue that can be resolved? that would be very, very difficult issue. because like i said earlier, the government does not government that will give the, you know, to 2260 for the precaution when he talks. so that shows he's ready to do that. what will happen when that's done that this particular review group is responsible when

you are in part for the debt of my prison, debbie? now his son is in power, went on, he's the leader of the country. any song will lose the, the circumstances on i did the i'm and house part to do something would definitely won't take a says so i think it would be very, very, very difficult for for current represent debbie to actually, you know, grant the full comprehensive all broadens amnesty for all of all of a fact because it's, it's a baby to pick not issue a for him as much as it is the but in not, not in reconciliation and all of that. so maybe you might then use that as a confess to get a sacrificial unusual theme not be allowed to run for, for the electron. so it's a politic by the same time in the past. and what? because i think him him as a leader ever stepped into his shoes, you know, telephone in his best lives. but he would argue and he will look at the history of

our target on how to contrast be running. it seems business as usual, but that's to, to some extent issues. he's asked on capacity. so he would argue that he has a capacity to continue around the country and then even if the forefront for change, our concord is, is really extent on getting comprehensive and wyatt benny my wisdom to actually support his position on being able to be re elected because like i said, it's a very, it's a very nice for him and i might, that might not be in italy possible, enrica, from talking to you in a big way and romaji this all sounds like an extremely complicated process. some might say that perhaps it's irreconcilable. i want to ask you, are there some immediate steps that could be taken in order for the groundwork to be laid for reconciliation among all champions? while the provisional law and i mean the traditional dora do,

i don't fancy that at least on at least for what has been seen so far was not the future in child. the last, the era, opening the political space to opposition leader to see the society organization. what can be, what seems to be donna is that the, it's the openness that it's not, not be only on bay, but not only transitional during this difficult month about the will actually change the domain. and that they read that to the core rent elite the run in the country will actually effectively open the political scene. walker back they said to look at 442 bits we would read because we change the situation in the next few weeks. and then i've mentioned before,

and i think it's important to keep the engagement that we're subtle at the beginning of the transition, mainly to revise the constitution charlotte and franklin shanda and to include the they need to be need for the current transition alternatives for the upcoming election, something that can also be done the exam. so coming down a day, imagine me and into community attention in different parts of the countries as mike, what he said also to include and to make is that the most inclusive people in the community from all around the country. so not getting the impression that the dialogue is again finger. we tina there in the country. and in any case,

the situation not will not the solution sense of grounding that the county will not change, including as much as possible, different community making them back of that of the process. and that's really give space during the, the national data for the discussion about, about land, about different community, about ga. gov. now it's about production and about all those that are not being put in and by doing this transition and during the data. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests. romaji we nazi will be good to go and and recap pico and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time i visiting our website, algebra dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha. inside story. you can also do the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a j inside story. for me,

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