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chad again delays a dialogue on national peace. the military government, opposition, groups and rebels were supposed to start discussions on a new constitution and holding elections. so after a year of political turmoil, what will this mean? what chad, this is inside store it. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much am june? it has been a year of political upheaval in chad. the sudden, death of long time president interest debbie last april left

a power vacuum. his son, an army general, soon took over and formed a transitional military council mohammed interest debbie promised a quick return to democracy. but that hasn't happened. a national dialogue with opposition groups and rebel fighters has been postponed for a 2nd time. the talks were supposed to start next week, about 300 representatives from the military government, opposition groups and rebel forces have been holding preliminary discussions in cover. but they may little progress on constitutional reforms and holding elections . cut that says it hopes the delay will give all size more time to reach a peace agreement. so how to chad get here? rebels launched the major incursion in the north of chad during elections last year . a day after winning the pole president interest that he was killed while visiting the front lines. his son, 4 star general ma, how much interest debbie rapidly took over in a qu. he promised to hold elections in 18 months after a national dialogue. as a precondition to join those talks, rebels demanded

a general amnesty and the release of prisoners. debbie complied in march. the government rebels and opposition groups began talks in doha a month later than scheduled chance stability is crucial for its neighbors. the country lies across the south head and beside the one of africa, its soldiers, our integrity to the g. 5 star had a joint force battling armed groups in the reach. the alright, let's bring in our guess. joining us from china capital in jemina is romaji. why not be he's a senior researcher at the institute for security studies of the way, a greg who is a security analyst at the consultancy, afro political. he joins us from a boucher and joining us from our slona is enrica pico. she's the director of the central africa project at the international crisis group. a very warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story romaji, let me start with you today. the dialogue a national piece has been delayed once again. what are the reasons for that?

i think that the main reason and the official one we know from now is it demand from the cutter. asking the chinese government to postpone, holding up to dial the ones that didn't for me as planned. and demand also normally came from a demon already made by the different level groups that, that also sitting in the work after discussing actually with the transitional government. and this came out as a result of the fact that the debates in are not really moving forward. and people sitting actually far from it be some women that could lower than it is. she's pie and then coming to the national inclusive dialogue that is supposed to start the end of me. so here are the main reason for that, enrica, after a year of such political turmoil, what does this delay mean for chad?

well the main conference of the, of the delay. yeah. the impact on the overall transition of the 18 months the she was supposed to and this year right down the, the sierra with the celebration of election and establishment of elected the new elected. so these are my arise concerns about the length of their transition of, of the duration of the transition and the community and the child in outdoor it is that i've taken part where after that of presidents, late breast and the way the discussions that have been going on thus far in copper, how, how have they been going? yeah, i think one of the things just got to do are talk is that the issues of a complex on the very long standing. because the problem that the new in chad with

today is under it in just after the death of my prison debbie. even while they're from a prison with an office, they were, they were groups who are very dissatisfied with the way the government, irregular groups opposition, party members because of high lead ohio led the contrast at the time. so these are very long, st. on the issues. it's, it's a bit too optimistic to expect that within a team or you could agree or you could start a very so lead conversation and end the conversation with maybe end of the declaration to say ok, now move on to last, not look. so i think one of one of the mostly put on because we have made it to take a period of time, a good amount of time to actually trust this issue one side or that because like i said, you know, course across all of town. so say what i, we've been in a political reforms or is it when the questions about the city itself and also you

know, issues it nikki, just so it's, it's quite a bit that you have on the lead. and i didn't really look at the terminal very programmatic, given the history of the issues. you know, you were just talking about how complicated all these issues are and, and how far they go back. were you surprised that that the delay happened that these delays have happened, or were you expecting them one of our i was expecting them on. if you look at comments coming from one of the, one of the african diplomats who are observing the talk, he does not suppress as well. and that is because for instance, if we, if you look the government, the government, the government in charge is very open to the, to the process commit to the process. and if you, if you see the when the front for change, concordy chad said they wanted you know, the government to got the precondition for the,

for the talk the government did back back in november, got done. and this is a 296 in a combat on from the group. so there is a commitment from the government. so what if you look at the rebels side? the issues of that is a way to begin to get very complicated because you have new demand going to like the mama, debbie, you shouldn't stand for reelection or a ton of assets and the government. it's. busy so you know how far to do that give me this confession, but you have to also reconcile the competition, right? we will between the opposition, i want because while the might be for me, for the position you have about for you spent in in the process in doha with tween the member making of this could be a very strong division. i'm based on issues that divide them. you have to because that all of these because if you just move rush the process, what do you have is it is the it declared to show like, oh, and agreement that is just valid on people and,

and these groups are not going to hold on. there is agreement going forward. when do you not? not really know, gets on the we enrica, i saw you nodding along to some of what i was saying. did you want to jump in? yeah, no, i mean i was i would just on the same line. we're on the same line on the fact that there is a general consensus in charge on the fact that the dialogue cannot be gone without the presence in jermaine, of the main, the leader of the main group. so that is some polar, i'll think them. so for delays, but the delay now there's something to get more and more frequent thought there was supposed to be national data internet was supposed to be out of the at the end of the last year that in january both point again. so that's becoming a new sure. all since then, some of the also brought it confirmed

a revision of the constitution on top of the condition. and this was one of the 1st and one of the engagement air conditioner still imposed by the african union after the establishment of the means that it is the fact that those are studied. this cannot run for election at the end of the transition, and the revision of the of the constitution is one of the key points that should be discussed during the national gallery in domina. so all of the issues he le le open and my year became a maybe can stand after almost one year after the and that's just to be sure to be reminded you wrote a piece in march in which you said the partners supporting the countries transition

dialogue and reconciliation processes should be firmer on the need to respect the timeframes and ensure inclusiveness so that no stakeholder is left on the sidelines . a stalemate on these issues could see chad slide back into political instability . so how concerned are you at this time that instability could continue and grow as the observer's? i'm really concerned by the fact that if we don't reach any piece as women in door means that evan dough national august, holidays, meaning that most of the biggest urban groups are out up to did. it means that they would still being able to come to the table. so it's something very important and coming to a piece of women in door. but what actually, you know, it's kind of making the any hopper far disagreement fading in the door. is evan. the composition of the different groups back to sitting at the rebel groups are so

fragmented, as my colleague said. and so how could we come to them? and if you can, you know, just between the government and the different groups that are speaking. but also we do all the groups are sitting to the table. so for me we are facing 2 situations actually by the person that there was no more visibility. when the national happen there is ever no visibility on which would be to issue the issue of the law. and then after that we, i've been questioning when she did a position to be able to end with the elections. and actually then the initial 18 months that i've been planned out to me and sufficient finishing the discussion in door holding the national and going to elections. and there was something that people are not considered. and when discussing, you know, about the coming day,

look down too much as twisting on the dialogue discussion with their groups. but at the same time, there is something very important. there are a lot of dynamics into contact me that also needed to be addressed. and that those dynamics are linked to inter communal conflict, to corruption and to a lot of other problems. and so if this is not a, then there wouldn't be still questions about the inclusiveness of the bible. you know, having history that have been something. but then i've been social is within the country. i mean with political stakeholders. civil society is also something that is very important. but that actually is unforeseen by most of actors discussing, you know, about the future of the country, of in a just how crucial is chad stability for its neighbors. and how concerned are chat neighbors at this time because of what's going on on tablet, a very, very key rule in terms of regional security. given the fact that if you look at the

issue of in the book or her, i'm forest and i swap, you know, the challenge. i mean the very in the strategic route in pushing bark and will strongly struggling book one in particular in the, in the, in the, of the, of the war in me to 2010 and even talk to the various and the child that i mean was very, very, was a people talk in crushing a book that was one of the most important people who used to look forward to was the, the present of their, from our present as a going, you're going to do a front the 5th, the come by the competence on quire, i'm so chad not only says that very is but the military rule, but also it's a good logistical job for international security partners for all of all of the countries. no charge when it came in, baltimore, not,

not doing task force with men. come come a rule and all of all of that. so please be input untrue military issue of require me. i don't even, you know, addressing the lot of our mental issues even within, within your ego. so let's talk didn't commission. and of course, the court isn't even, i mean, on the walk together when coordinating coordinating with and then you can really will need to see how that can address, you know, security issues in, in the child because of the shrinking of the live channels for decades. now, on the digital confirmation that if you don't have that issue of security for me, from mark out to where from on the head crisis, we will not be able to solve some of the most you put on drive out of the conflict because it's under terrorism. systemic or de whenever i meant the fact. ready to these untucked please, the very,

very important rule in or in all of all of the measures that we're not conscious, i think. and so if you, and even if you see present w twos to 2 were not contra just wasn't n g. i was and also last, if the president hurry, the issue of cooperation, you know, the most luck with national what the national debt was good that coordination to it's very important concept for even us. you're not security. that is why lead us on analyst across the region are working very closely what is happening because believe it, charles can gain more ability. i'm up and more political submitted on it will become even even a better position. what regional difference, enrique, if chad does continue to slide into instability, what does that mean for security and for the battle against insurgency in the one of africa while they submitted to the child? the issue for, for the entire region. and not only, as michael said,

for the fight against the man booklet round about the also for the, for the rest of the, of the neighbor country. i'm thinking about food on the free sounds for the violence in, in the 49. gina rising. that one is rising and most of the dollars committed by media. so the conflict maya easily cross the border in the, in looking at the saw the board, but also the situation with the some traffic and republican as been the counsel in the past. the era and my become again, especially after the inclusion of rational medicine research into child young. so i the last the era in may and then in september. so this is those so some that the, the output of our monitoring thing closely because my

b b factors, the subsidizing, the situation in the county and on the stable shonda my contribute to the vision of the region on the other way around. because most of the central african read both are currently in charleston on the south and in the main main street. same thing for folks with the eastern border, it might be the safe haven for sudanese media and mike will exceed for football. so this is the key, most of the west, the part that goes so well. the tammy, i mean, not month painting the stability, but of course the effect of the g 30 days they did electron alternative that's reasonable period of time is one of the key condition that

there are many on leash on the ongoing in the, in the region, especially now with static and so battalion one is not the only one, but it can, the, for the moment was one of them all the one of the reference this region. so we will have to see if this continues to be the case. romaji. i know we touched on this earlier in the conversation, but the amnesty law that was designed to draw arm groups into the transition process. does that exclude some entities? i think that globally misty lo actually is not truly excluding the biggest concern because of the fact that i've been included in the fight where the president debbie found it is not excluded from the, from the amnesty. so globally, that seems but, and it's also the principal, but how does a, mr will be played down concretely on the ground?

i think that this is also one of the unsafe wisdom for which some of the main rebel groups lead us. our so not very king, actually starting to discussions and then and then having to jump up for the national. so i think you're in principle that was a kind of lodge i missed it, but the way to some missing might be played down. i don't so one of the fee as well . some of the mandible groups including mainly someone like my be the head of the fact of the way the front for change. and concord in chad is demanding amnesty for all of its fighters. is that an issue that can be resolved? that would be very, very difficult issue. because like i said earlier, the government does not government that will give the, you know, to 2260 for the precaution when he talks. so that shows and he's ready to do that. what we have to understand that this particular review group is responsible when

you are in part for the debt of my prison, debbie. now his son is in power. when he's the leader of the country, any song will lose the circumstances on the on house part to do something would definitely want to because says up, so i think it to be very, very, very difficult for you know, for current present debbie to actually you know, grant, we fool comprehensive, all broadens amnesty for all of all of a fact because it's, it's a baby to pick not issue a for me. what as it is about it not, not in reconciliation and all of that. so maybe you might then use that as a confess to get a sacrificial on the issue of him not being allowed to run for for the election. so it's our politics by the same time in the past, but because i think him him as a leader ever stepped into his father's shoes, you know, started going in his best place. both, he would argue and he will look at the issue of attack on how to contract be

running. it seems business as usual, but does to, to some extent issues, he's asked capacity. so he would argue that he have capacity to continue around the country and then if. ready if the forefront for change, our concord is, is really stand on getting comprehensive and wyatt. i'm the been my president to actually support his position on being able to be re elected because like i said, it's a very, very nice you for him. and my dad might not be in italy possible, enrica, from talking to you in a big way and romaji this all sounds like an extremely complicated process. some might say that perhaps it's irreconcilable. i want to ask you, are there some immediate steps that could be taken in order for the groundwork to be laid for reconciliation among all champions? while the provisional law, either the traditional,

gotta do or don't something that at least on for what has been seen. so far, was not that huge in charge of the p last, the era opening the political space to opposition leader to see the society organization. what can be, what seems to be donna is that the openness that is not, not be only obey, but not only transitional during this difficult month about that will actually change the domain. and that's the reason that the core rent the elite, the run in the country will actually effectively open the political scene. walker back they said look at putting it on for 2 bits. we would read because we change the situation in the next few. and then i've mentioned before,

and i think it's important to keep the engagement that we're subtle at the beginning of the transition main, the revised constitution. charlotte additional constitution, and to include the they need to be need for the current transitional targeted for the upcoming election. something that can also be done the exam, so for coming down the matching ethnic and into community attention in different parts of the, of the countries as michael. these are my g said also to include and to make is that the most inclusive cibola in fact, so for community from all around the country, so not getting the impression that the dialogue is again finger. we keep there in the country and in any case,

the situation not will not the solution of governing the country will not change a better, including as much as possible, different communities, making them part of that of the process. and that's really give space during the, the national data for the discussion about, about land, about different communities about go go about production and about all those that are not being put in and by doing this transition and go into that. okay. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests. romaji nazi will be good to go and and recap pico and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again anytime visiting our website or dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside story. you can also do the conversation on twitter. our handle is at

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