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areas around to lordy gate till midnight. on tuesday, the internet remained suspended intimate as often suspended in india in times of tension. i shall, gaylord he's the states leader. he sent his home secretary and senior officials to the area from rochester that the state that george flores and from roger stands, capital j port. make sure that the violence here does not escalate. ah, or let's have a quick recap of the headlines here and al jazeera and women, children and the elderly who were allowed to leave the besieged steel planted mario pole on sunday. finally made it to safety in ukrainian controlled territory. but 200 civilians remained tramps in still works along with hundreds of ukrainian soldiers who are under renewed russian attack. auto hammett has the latest rooms, upper region. so 5 coaches have arrived here all on board with women, children,
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and the elderly. those were only the people who were allowed to evacuate from the as of style as dlc as till factory. according to that agreement brokered by the un, with the help of the international red cross, though among them there were a 101 who managed to get out of the steelworks. and they were joined by another 55 who were civilians trapped and were you to in different areas of murder. you put a britain's prime minister was told members of parliament and keep that ukraine will win. the war against russia or johnson also pledge the further $375000000.00 in military 8. he's the 1st world leader to video link with parliamentarians that since the war began, we who are your friends, must be humble about what happened in in 2014. because ukraine was invaded before for the 1st time in crimea, was taken for from, from you crate of the war in the dorm bass began. and the truth is that we was too
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slow to grasp what was really happening. and we collectively failed to impose the sanctions then that we should have put on vladimir putin and we cannot make the same mistake again. president joe biden is called on all levels of the u. s. government to protect to women's right to choose it. software leaks, draft suggested supreme court justices could strike down a landmark abortion law. they've been that there have been protests outside the court justices are expected to issue their ruling in june. a curfew has been declared in the indian city of joppa following fighting between hindus and muslims internet connection. sir, i've also been cut the unrest began on monday nights during religious festivals in both communities and continued into tuesday yard. so headlines, more news coming up here on out to 0 after the stream we understand the differences and similarities have cultures across the wound, semi matter,
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glad you called hand out justina will bring you the news and current affairs that mighty out justina did with i am at tabby dean and you're in the stream today, mongolia, a protest that began in the city center of the capitol all on baton, has now mostly moved online and has become known as the do your job movement will talk to mongolians to better understand what exactly the youth are demanding and why a 30 years after the fall of communism, mongolia has experienced a series of protest movements around issues ranging from air pollution voting, mining and the economy. most notably and recently protests against the miss
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treatment of coven 19 patients, which eventually led to the shock resignation of the prime minister. mongolia is a landlocked country in east asia, bordered by russia to the north and china, to the south with a population of just over 3000000. it's also one of the world's most sparsely populated nations. in early april young mongolians gathered in soup, but tar square for 2 days of peaceful demonstrations, they demanded changes to the economy, taxation more jobs, and to plan to reduce high rates of inflation. while the protests ended a few weeks ago, the do your job movement still lives on line. the global pandemic has also devastated mongolia in 2020 and closed its borders shut down businesses and banned all international travel. as a result, the economy suffered it's worse cline since the 19 ninety's, and more than a quarter of
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a 1000000 people fell into poverty. and you add to that the recent russian invasion of ukraine and inflation, food shortages and fuel prices are all skyrocketing. now. that's because mongolia is almost entirely dependent on neighboring russia for its energy. that's a lot to discuss today. and i'm very pleased to be joined by jar tsar to hand the greater central asia editor at global voices. also on, on to more targa as a journalist in alon better and who'll on duke. there is a journalist and host of the media podcast. and for those of you joining us on youtube, live, put your comments in the questions and the youtube chat. and we'll bring those to our guests on the show on. and i want to start with you with the basics you were there in the square. you were covering the story a few weeks ago when the youth really gathered their physically ah, what were they actually demanding? and since then has anything changed?
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i thanks for having me on the show. first of all, the youth were basically the man and you said that they want to live in mobile and they wanted to see a better future in mongolia and most as, as you seen, all of those banners and slogans. yeah, i think i want to live. i want to live, i want to live in my country. i want to dream of living in my own country. that is basically the, the central message of, of this process that the youth, the matter that, that the, that their lives are way too hard. and there's just no prospects for the future to live in mongolia basically. yeah. and you know, we're looking at some of those images that you took right now. as you're talking ins are, you are nodding as we heard from on. and do you agree?
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i mean, this felt like it was a moment that it was significant but, but what is new about this or is anything new about this? thank you for me who. busy the most important thing is that when gold has a culture of protest, political process and the things where is very prominent, the most important sport, because of the parliament and the see to the president and the prime minister. they're located in the same building. so it's a very convenient place, place to protest. and as you also mentioned last year, they've been the partis, which basically led to the resignation of the prime minister. right. he's the president now. so he knows well how the port is important. the different thing this time was that the youth was traditionally not very active in, in political life. the boating turner out is very low compared to the leo of any
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age groups. and usually also, traditionally they thought again, something specific, for example, covered treatment and so on. and often there are political groups of parties behind them. this time it turned out to be that the youth went on there on the list, active politically active group. they didn't have any political packing organisation behind them. and they had basically brought a list of demands that you could also see from, from the posters and what they have. there are so many topics, right, right. and we'll go with them in and then we'll get to the very different demands and the many demands that they have. but before we do that, hulu, and i thought you nodding as our 1st to get were speaking and explaining to us what was going on. why do you think the youth sort of took to the streets this time and do you think that there's hope that some of their demand might be met?
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well, i think the protest was about the call option and the you know, that they're given to the young people. and when goal was not just about like inflation related to the come at $900.00 situation. it was, it was about also about like so equally a demand equal opportunity to study or like for each occasion, social insurance policies and everything. so i would say that and also their new thing for me was that, you know, group of like you but this a patient for the election was really long. it has been but they are on the square and demanding what they need was like really new because even though they are participation for the election as well, you're in gauge mentor. like like a participation in the fighting. yeah. so yeah, yeah, no,
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i appreciate you bringing up that point. we actually have a video comment that was sent to us from the again, someone who works for an independent research institute and mongolia about this very issue. you know how the youth have struggled historically to kind of have a real impact on decision making. i think nodding on and we'll come to you at the back of this. historically the young people in mongolia has been able to the decisions clear example is that the democrats resolution itself was on people. but today young people have very limited opportunities to those decisions in our risk and all 3 s the youth themselves. why more than 70 percent said they let national resources they like political experiences as more importantly they like support from the society kind of political parties and even from their own family. they feel they're not respected as they are not take it seriously. but the society, yes,
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the youth eyes at least the highest age cooking goal in terms of political, economic, social environment, all aspect. so whether the recent economic use process will lead to any change. i think they will incentivize the governments other younger generation and especially the political artist who has more user friendly gender so on and you've been activated and engaged. but what's going to come of this when you make that comment? yes, i agree with the comment for hartley and i would like to add on that when i was there at the square, there was a lot of elderly or people who are older. dave, they told me that this is what they're chosen, basically that you live what you saw before the roof, which is so and they should have been. and one or older lady told me that they should have voted for the,
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for the on right now. now they're living with the consequences, but i would like to add does that mean go in youth again or not really represented . and i think in 2016 to duke university did a study on, on people's preferences on voting. and in that many people don't vote on the specific stuff economics like they don't vote on policies and they vote on identity our, our current politicians are current parties do not represent any kind of identities of the mongolia youth. they have to basically have separated themselves from, from the, from the younger groups that are struggling based. right, right. and i think that separation is part of this, right? i mean, it's not uncommon when you see the sort of popular uprisings in any country who
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land. we often see people wanting to overthrow the government or to remove people from power. this is really about having the government be held accountable to do their jobs. and in terms of holding the government accountable, we've also seen calls recently since the protest told the police accountable for police brutality. and from allegations that have been coming out when these videos have been surfacing of police on, on that night in the middle of the night around 4 am, you know, attacking, beating some of the protesters as you can see in this footage. hulahan, you know, we, we, we, we often see a disconnect between generations and in any country, right? in terms of the demands that they want for a better future in society. but i'm curious, even though this is being led by the youth. how, how can this actually materialize into change for all citizens in mongolia? are you optimistic that this will grow as
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a movement and the change will happen? well, i'm not really sure. i was going to say that yes, did not sound very convincing. yeah. one thing that i would like to add on the comment was like, i've seen quite a few posts on social media that young people aren't demanding. you know something, but you need to go and well they said. but, you know, we have like 3 political parties which are really active and one is quite small. and you know, majority of the parliament is actually the one party. and you know, when there is election, young people say that there is no choice, you know. so all we can do is just there monday, you know, do your job. and the also comment was really right. you know,
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young people are not taken really seriously. those political parties think that young people, like number of the young people are just the number of the low to get a group of low to actually in the number of young people. they are actually moving the countries so they need to be taken seriously. yeah. and you know, when we talk about things that need to be taken seriously, and the reason they need to be taken seriously, we have a comment in our youtube live chat box here from yoseph altura. he's saying the country is going to be depleted of young people. there will be a brain drain, essentially, if they don't listen to their demands. now switching gears to kind of whether or not this is going to have a real impact. we have a video comment from someone named man lie who has a kind of commenting on, on their lack of faith in any real lasting impact from these very, very many demands. let's take a listen. mongolian young people just like everywhere else there wants to have
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a better life stable income, leaving wages into wants to leave in general society. but this needs and demands are quite abstract and in concrete, the extraction of denise and lack of consensus was quite evident to the progress where, for example, or some what's called for an increase in wages and other social benefits, while others would call for complete disappearance of the state in dealing with people who dislike the so called sound demand that's returned to 15 demands was delivered by someone who was associated would you think of the ruling party and india and the 15 demand? so look, a lot like general terms of the current government. so in my opinion, i don't think that this protest would have any significant impact on actual policy changes, only positive, positive optical. my sees that it as activated youth as
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a social and political coup and hopefully to continue to fight in the future. so i want to ask you, after you hear that comment, and after you look at this headline from man like, you know, who we just heard from there saying why? mongolia can't and won't produce broad math movements. do you agree that despite the youth being activated, that it's not realistic that we'll see any lasting impact? i think one thing i should add is to the previous comments and both to them is that and goal is the very young country. the median age is slightly below 30, and it is a country where the young people make up the great chunk of the population. and but the, the problem, and i also say what, melissa, there is some kind of despair,
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hopeless to some extent. if for example, i am based in causal extent, we had the, the bloody and protestant lead to hundreds of death, which basically took the streets of the whole country in different cities. and are compared to that in all the process. what i could fence reading all the posters and slogans with kind of a hopelessness to despair. not anger. like in case of our country. yeah. so talking about the brain drain is that one of the major motors was what is called this moment the remoter. and we want to live well in one goal in our country. and they've been many videos and social media. people would say that i could leave the country, i have an education, i have possibilities. but we, we don't want it that we want to transform this country. and there was
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a sense of misgivings that things are not going well. specifically for young young people. and you know, when you say things are not going well specifically for young people, i think it's worth mentioning for our audience, for those who may be, don't know, that's a very large proportion of the population. more than 1000000 in a country of just over 3000000. i mean youth aged 15 to 34, represent the largest demographic group in the country. and when you think about that, you know, we see, i personally have some experience. i've been to mongolia and i bring this up because i was, i was very impacted by not only its beauty but, but the frustration, especially amongst young men. i was working on a documentary where they were looking at how they were redefining masculinity. just 30 years after communism fell, you know, and it seems like there's a reverse gender gap also in mongolia, which is quite rare. where a lot of young women might have jobs, there might be more,
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more stable or secure. and so i'm curious, you know, just what can you share with our audience on, on about this, this question of whether these concerns are too general, whether these demands are too general. we heard from jar, you know, we didn't see the kind of mass death than violence that we saw the protest in kazakhstan few months ago. are you optimistic that despite the dependence on russia, that there is a way out of this crisis? so i also have a very dark notion basically there is, isn't much the better there isn't any kind of resolve. i would say that the government can do because it's, it's almost like like a bubble and nurse and there is no way of fixing it because
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this has been building up and building up for a very long time. i would say from the beginning of when we go i became a democracy. there was issues of welfare issues of wage low wages for workers. and also again you talked about particularly about men, about our masculinity, about who we are as an uncle in men. that is a big issue because why that's such a big issue. i mean, i know that traditionally there was a very narrow sense of what a man needs to do and be, you know, we need need to wrestle. he needs to be able to ride horses. what's the issue? i mean i know that sounds a bit cliche but, but that does stem from a very kind of rigid view of the role of men in society. am i wrong for, for me, i think the issue social when mongolia transition from, from a, from a communist country to a democracy we,
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we lost all most of the. how can i feel like the, the blue collar jobs or the factory workers at the base? the proletariat or what have you, the people who are working, my class of that that's specification of men have become law. so there's basically 3. there's basically 3 magole men. there's one that is who is like a super rich businessman. yeah. and there's the mongolian who lives in the countryside . and the 3rd is the main goal in who is a strong man who is like a wrestler. so those are the only 3 images that are perpetuated in, in our, in our society. and it's, and again i, i, as i talked why dance of nominate him when boy a man cannot be all those 3 things is very difficult, right? and, and, and, and, you know, all this, i did not to cut you off,
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but all this on and really begs the question, if the government and the decision makers are ever really going to be receptive and willing to actually listen to the youth. especially if their demands might not be very specific or, or as organized as some critics say that it can be. and with that in mind, i do want to share on youtube. we have xander asked in our chat, asking or bringing up a point about they're saying i feel that that, that the impact is informed by how open to criticism and listening to their plight . the government will be, and i, you know, i, i, we also have a video comments are one more that i think is worth going to when we talk about solutions hulahan. when we talk about what to do about this, now that this has happened now that the conversation is continuing online in mongolia. ok, let's listen to what zal jargo had to say, and we'll come to you, hold on to the, to the politicians,
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how policies and that practice is none. have you non business. and in the san, implicitly, their practice reveal the evidence of their b, r, to confront structural crisis. so hold on your thoughts, i saw an under seemed to agree as he was nodding as, as she made her point. what do you think colon? well, i would like to go back to the previous coming or, you know, since the one of the population of the country is sir. yeah, yeah, i yeah, i hope that the things will be changing, of course, but i don't know how and why or when, but for example, like so this photos for example, it's be like actively sophie, you engage me like your participation and also since the country it doesn't matter,
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like, you know, we see that, you know, slight, could be surprised. the number of the decision making positions, people. sure. so $6.00 to $1.00 3rd of the population. yes. there's yeah, they of course will dissipate in the society and also run for the office as well. right. so i think that will be the vicar hopeful. right, right. be, you know, i'm not, not, not, not, not to broaden this out of mongolia, but in so many issues are flashpoints in any country around the world. it's so often the case right that the youth are either sidelined or feel as though they have no voice or not being taken seriously, even if they are disproportionately larger number of the population. so one thing that perhaps, you know, if you're watching this, you have in common at a young person, if you're watching with people in mongolia before we go, i do want to just ask, you know, this energy issue because of the pandemic. and then we have this invasion of
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ukraine by russia. mongolia, for those who don't know is entirely dependent essentially on russia for its energy supplies. jar, how difficult do you think the situation is going to be if this war continued? how effective will mongolia be? basically the pandemic and the optimal hit mongolia quite heavily, both in terms of inputs from the experts and specifically for the country which exports, coal and other minerals, china and the one which is basically entirely almost dependent on energy resources from, from russia. the last 2 years, and i would say this is partially the, basically the background, all this despair when the world started opening up after the pandemic, that's what the expectation because the country was closed, travel was close tourism and trade decline. it was
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a hope that probably this is the time that things will get better, but the new restrictions in china and the closing of orders and the war and ukraine made hits. but the goal is specific and this is the country which has only 2 bars. prussia, china, right, and, and imports energy from one and sell, took some cold copper mino to the other raw materials mainly. and basically it was a double heat and things are not going well. right? actually, and politically. and in recent years, mongolia got involved in this wind rush, the energy energy do, and there's and there's and there's so much more to discuss about the geo politics of it all and all the different reasons i do want to thank you. we're out of time for today, so thank you for joining us to our guests and for you at home. see you next time.
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