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murders of women and girls based on their gender are still rising. today we ask why, here's a little bit more contacts from a j plus about the case of de bonnie escobar. oh mm hm. ah ah ah

ah oh, for more on all of this were joined from mexico city by edith olivares' hereto. she is executive director at amnesty international mexico also and mexico city as defining villa barba she is executive director at intersect a feminist organization. and from wanted a, we have shantelle flores, a journalist, and author of a upcoming book about enforced disappearances of women in mexico. ah, of course we want you to join today's conversation as always send your comments and questions through our youtube chat. just right here. and we'll bring them directly to our guests. ladies, thank you for being with us. i want to start shantelle directly with you because i understand you've reported on this for more than you know, the better part of a decade on family's side and you're in monte day where, you know, she, she was found. unfortunately, i want to ask you,

what do we have to understand about this incident in the context of everything else that's happened? why is this problem getting worse? well, i will say the main thing is died out, authorities are not investigating ride, they keep seeing that these appearances of women and same size as isolated events. and also us individual acts of bad behavior, right? they refused to, i know listen, when i say day, i'm talking about all the way from the municipal level to their federal level. right. so they go over men in every step and they keep refusing to on knowledge their systemic ignorant qualities that women face across the country. but also the general conflicts of these appearances that exceeds in the concrete right . so i think that the problem is bars from there as we so we, there any gaze, there she was there,

want to blame from for her own disappearance. right. and we keep seen this narrative that we are the ones to blame for our own sad deaths and these appearances so. so the government blaming the victims, obviously an old narrative that was used once again. i do want to ask you as to fun, you know, why do you think or is it true that this particular case and wanted a sort of reactivated a lot of people to actually speak out and get into the streets? is there something specific about her case? i think this particular case has to do again with a very old story. it's going to be almost 30 years, for example, since or feminists particularly and families started announcing the increase of the murders of women and in the city of waters in chihuahua. so at least for 30 years, we've been having in one way or another. this type of conversation, i think in this case i don't know about michael finalist,

but seeing her in the street alone. and i think it's next many of us to that feeling of vulnerability and insecurity. and how, in spite of 30 years of this ongoing conversation, statistics show that we are nowhere near solving the problem. but actually that the problem continues, in many cases, it has become even more complex. and you know, we're seeing some images there. you know, people react thing, it's a very visceral and emotional moment, but a moment that you said really spend 3 decades. let's listen what to what some protesters had to say after they discovered the bodies body there in monterey. take a listen on this occasion concerning to bonnie and all of the women that have been found in waverley on state. i want to say that we're not fools. we do not need to be lawyers or have a degree to realize that there is no justice,

not even past humorously. to be honest, it happens very often regardless of de bonnie. we have had several fantasize in one month. that is what the fight for. that is why we come here every time these things happen and also on dates like march 8, international when we come here to be heard and to make these things stop it as i see or nodding when you hear what some of those protesters have, say, what comes to mind about about where we are in this moment and, and how to move forward a thank you. i think a, the biggest berlin, mexico. impunity. and that's why it, it people, and especially women, takes the street to put this. and this is the other way, the, the other pointing it is conversation that we have to have because we are in this kind of spring feminist, his brain the in mexico. but it's, i a,

some move men who are a increase in because they violence against women are increasing. i'm the impunity . it's a obvious hobbit during this right 30. yes, i funny, i said i'm and as to from here, you know, you're hearing a, you know, her kind of outline how long it's going a going some of what you said, and we know the state is failing to actually address this. otherwise, you know, there wouldn't be a protest movement. we wouldn't be seeing, or even maybe having this conversation with that in mind as to finding out where does the role of data come in. i mean, is the government even aware of just the scale of the problem? i think to things are important say data is key because we don't have data. it's very hard to understand the problem. and if you don't understand the problem, it's very hard to come up with an adequate solution. in this regard, i think it's important i like to thing. in the 1st place, we don't even know really how many feminist types are,

are. we do not have an adequate estimate of how many of the killings of women are related to gender based violence, even according to one of the many legal definitions we have. i think this speaks to the governments lack of interest in better understanding the problem. so that's one . how many cases like divine either are we can't even say for certain we know how many women are killed, but not how many cases you know that the nitty gritty of the situation. on the other hand, and i'm sure we can talk about this more. yeah. how many women? oh, so let's remember that this case began. it was denounced that she had disappeared. a few days went by without her body being found. and the magnitude of the problem of disappearances in mexico is also on, you know, we have databases that instead of getting better anyways, have gotten worse. so i think that is one key element of the lack of interest in the problem. yeah. and you talk, you talk about the lack of interest,

we also know that you know, many people criticize the government not just for being deflected, but really being negligent. and we have one common from janice gallagher that kind of outlines what's actually going on with the government and how they're choosing to not address the stimulus. you don't understand why the keys are they wanting. a scholar has received so much attention will need to remember that this is in the context of years of protests in response to both sides and disappearances and mexico, and endless promises by the government that things are going to change. instead, what do we see? first we see a government who their 1st instinct in this investigation was to blame the victim. second, lucy of re just investigatory and forensic errors. and 3rd, was the government who still isn't taking responsibility, both for the investigation of what happened to the on his guard, as well as taking all steps possible to make sure this never happens to anyone else . again. i'm curious since all, why is there so much?

impunity for gender based violence in mexico. i mean why and what is being done about it or are you optimistic but the government will address it. i know i'm not optimistic at all, and i've been though, is a general feeling or the collective feeling on april 22. the read the protest here in monterey, i've been covering the feminist bro, this for awhile. and these one we got, i remember that month and i and what were you on? ease? very good service. the weight on see the pro is there are many sproat, there's that we you shall be seeing mexico city. so on april 22nd, when honduras away man took the streets to protest these, the general feeling was not only anger as we usually see, for instance, on march 8th. but he was this, it was devastating. it was sad. he was there was hopelessness that we couldn't, we don't know what to do anymore. you know. 8 i come here, i said you're in the least, but i'm also a woman living in monk that

a and is just so frustrating that we don't see and next it to these. and the other thing is that big goal, men refuse, is her mission, to man in general, across society that they can also be supp, beer are bodies and nothing will happen to them. and i think that was the scariest thing, right? that there is, these are their mission to do anything to, to we might and there are going to be consequences. and i'm in perhaps that's where the complicity comes in on the government's sort of in action. as to funny. i saw that you were nodding as we heard from san tal there. i'm curious, how well resourced our police are prosecutors, you know, in order to actually tackle these cases, not just the murders and from the side, but also disappearances. i think there's, there's 2 things i want to highlight. well, it's on the one hand, how authorities were reacting individual cases. and i think that as it has been

said, this case is exemplary of what we see across the board. we have under funded institutions and this is the best case because many times we highlight, for example, the public servants that are much eustace. what is tragic about our country is that even when you have public servants that are truly committed to the cause, no resources aren't always what is necessary to properly investigate the cases. and so this is one thing and i'm sure it, these can, can delve into it more. yeah. the other thing i want to highlight though, and we can talk about this further is beyond the individual cases and how they are processed by prosecutors by courts. what is the overall strategy of security? and one thing that i think is important to highlight worth for the killings of women and for the disappearances of women. is that both have increased in the context of the so called war on drugs. which in the case of mexico included the increase of the strategy of melissa, rising public security. so it's not just that the prosecuting or,

or justice institutions are failing. but the tools that we used to supposedly fight organized crime and race not only and not so i one. yeah, sorry. i don't know if you're saying it has this all the bomb. i'm going to let neither finish your sentence because he was nodding. i know you want to get in there. you that what? what about what as to funny i was saying is kind of on the mark here. yes it a i think he seemed put than to remembered that he a, it d separate him off. i indolence of this, they, this i, if you have in the, in the state about a, by eunice, again, for women. and we have already, i don't know 30 years. i am more or less a with these a deficiency in the destination of, of women killers. fear a to that quite as and right now we can say audit mexico eastern into what is because they the feet, the number of key there's the number of this up and says of women. and there's the

deficiency in the investigation of the mod this, and that is hit by and says of women at this same as 30 years ago. so it's a, it's warf i thing because if he is the sentence of comfortable nato, we have all these for a mark our institutions and legal a advances that they done b apply. yeah. back right there. and it's water. and oh, go ahead and go ahead. i'm sorry, go ahead. i think oh, so we need to be careful that we keep talking of our women as son, only genius group. right. and we got i remember that the women who were being keeley without the quite as they were workers. right. and we don't have the information to really understand their dynamics. so by all means in each state in mexico and to understand what is a more vulnerable group of women are at risk of being bent up here and feel we

don't have that information, not because we keep saying don't kill us, but we are not the same even as women, we are not been hearing, they intersect, in fact there is no and that's in for attending the i have 3, i appreciate you bringing that up. obviously as well, you know, socio political factors geographic factors and that's why the data is so important as you've been making the case for our audience. who may not know, i don't know what the exact statistic is, but we've been pointing to the fact that a lot of crimes in general in mexico or they go unsolved even on addressed. i've seen numbers upwards of 90, maybe 98 percent of crimes. with that in mind that i want to share what this translates to in the streets, in the homes, for people who are directly affected by this. there's a level of anger that is very palpable, that i want to try to convey to our audience through this clip, which includes the mother of a missing woman to take a listen. oh, can i tell you that if you want to know authorities, don't you?

what they have to do in a timely fashion for them when someone goes missing, they are just absent or lost. they continue arguing that we need to wait 72 hours to start searching, instead of going forward in the attorney's office for missing people. sam, we seem to be going back to weeks. yep. odyssey book. but a think about more about that, i know, but other than it was at the new company at us again, see though they somebody see desk ins. you know, i have had friends who have gone missing, who've been raped and nothing has been done about it. and are specific cases have drawn attention from the authorities. but this is a reality that has exceeded because this is something that has been going on for many years. is that what you're trying to find here? you've heard these women. i see that you're nodding with a lot of the points that they're making. i don't want to spend too much time talking about the president, but this new york times article sums it up quite well. mexico's president says most domestic violence calls our fake. he is also deflected and down played this by

saying, you know, this really happens everywhere. it's not specific to, you know, the problem isn't specifically problematic here in mexico, as to finding out that anger and the presidents and, and, and the governments on all, they just like to address this. i mean, do you, do you see any hope that in 30 years we won't be having the same conversation another 30 years? that's why we're here. i think i think the 3 of us have that hope that by creating enough awareness, by betting all our efforts and not just everybody, there's currently an adult, but on the kids and the children and everybody there's, there's a possible change. i think the difference between right now in 30 years ago is that we at least have some lessons as to what has been work, which i think it's important lesson. like i mentioned, one of the things that time goes by and more evidence is accumulated is if you want

to fight these levels of violence which are extraordinary and continue on there. this government militarization is not the adequate strategy. if you want to work with prosecutors and police, they need to be well funded. they need to be properly trained. they need to have adequate institutional framework. this is also important because it just mentioned in this case, for example, william has a special prosecutor for feminine side. so in 30 years, we have created specialized institutions for gender equality. and what we're seeing is that if you still don't have a deeper institutional reform, right, these institutions are going to be out and obviously, so please please. sorry, i don't mean to cut you off. finish your point. no, no, no. i was just thinking i only, yeah, yeah, let's learn from 30 year. right, right. that can be applied. and so many conversations here at the stream, you know, so many lessons perhaps go and learn for too long,

and that's why we're talking about them still. but since, how would that in mind, you know, we've heard about the need to address this on the governmental level, institutionally. what about the culture? of course, it's all very linked, you know, lot of people online. and in our comments saying, patriarchy plays a big role in all of this, preventing the investigations. what can you share with us about that is not accurate? yes, definitely. i mean, month erasing the nord the so bear my taste as society conservative. the main objective in the society's economic progress, right? so usually human rights violations, or any social issues are being called or by the government, right. and the media to because we also eventually need to play about the role of the media, mainstream media these app. but you know, i really wanted to highlight that i called thorough change that we had seen. yeah, we have a strong feminist movement or movement. oh, we also have

a very soup as strong movement of families and mothers of that these up here who are leaving this search. and i think would usually separate, you know, his sides. we'd be more than a flat mileage on. so, you know and work personally with a lot of those families. i know because my producer told me, and so i'm glad you brought it up because i was, i was curious. there's one anecdote about how families are coming to you to sort of, i don't know how to put it really, but this desire to sort of go viral. i mean, it's not just the case that we heard about recently. could you share with our audience just just sort of phenomenon is quite tragic. yes, that has been, i think har breaking in the past weeks because they sealed that pension. that no, i will, you know, on, and not only the bad news case, but on their disappearance. and seen this in this state has gain and they text me, you know, alive, how can i make it to the new york times? how can i, you know,

bring all of these attention to the case of my missing daughter. and many of those cases they know that their daughter has been missing even for over 10 years. right . so i think it's really frustrating that we have created our seats, sam, when, as social media and the public, the side which lives the serve, the at things. right. right. and i think that's our brand and edith, i want to come to you. but before i do, i want to share with you 3 and our audience video comment that came in from jennifer episcopal kind of outlining why she thinks the impunity needs to end. and how we may go about doing that. take a listen. mexico state and federal governance less and absurdity threat e. s. her traders are rarely held accountable to hardy and shelling women, which sends the message that the abuse is not important and continue. the problem is that prosecutors, governors, and even the president himself spout massage sickness that whole women responsible

for the crimes against them. suggesting for instance, that women are loose or moral and therefore to serve the violence. this is not true . accountability must start at the top and its voters who must hold petitions accountable. they must go out the governor's parties and the president who stout, such and such a mystic ideas. they must send the message that the mass political leaders are responsible for investigating crimes properly. and for bringing perpetrators to justice. so you know, if i'm curious, if you agree, she says, accountability must start at the top. she was a lot of what's already been discussed on the show moving forward. where does accountability start? and how can we reform the system? yes, a, i mean that interesting to, to point to a late the point is that these kind of a disorder during our state eith a institutional by your name. and this is state state of mexico. i mean, the cfo of mexico not only the,

an in there in the state in the federal that may go by the mexican, the state is guilty of institutional by units against the beek. things of that b a women disappearances and pick them up or for him in the site because these are the state who made a lot of by your names without wheat, they beat them with the families of they right. they delayed the process, they a at that the families and they don't have their families don't have a maybe never know just this and that may have but by and i'm curious to bring justice san tall. where would you put your, your flashlight? the 1st thing that needs to really be focused on for those to one i want to see justice in these cases. i think right now something bad their families of their missing are me saying is they support from the rest of society as they have seen in the past days that our family god, that's or in some way. right. so i've been,

the main thing is to continue with this is laura society because this society yeah, is divided, but there will be guide is that pays their pain, they're carrying and their pain. we are not willing to see in our fellow city sense, right in those there. first thing, this problem. yes, collective. and we got a star, you know, joining their families in the spike. and then from there i think we can do a lot to keep the government accountable. we got to still yep. focusing on these reform and these because there is no believe, well, we'll resources or anything. right? right. and you know, we have a lot of a lot of comments in our youtube section. i want to read one out before we go. this is from least saying may be classes to educate mexican boys while still in school. the girls and women are not objects or disposable, so obviously pointing to the cultural education that needs to happen. ladies, thank you for sharing your voice is with us. that's all the time we have for today,

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