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and i i am mad savage dean and you're in this dream today, the race to become the next president of the philippines. we'll talk about the front runners and what's at stake in the upcoming election. ah, the philippines is heading into the final days of a presidential election that some analysts say could alter the state of liberal democracy in the asian nation. it's been a campaign smeared by election disinformation and leaving the race is the son of a former dictator with us to get into all the details is our panel who are joining
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us from manila. leon bowen is a journalist who has been covering the campaign of ferdinand marco's junior for the news website. rosler. richard. hey, darian is an a columnist and the author of the rise of detail populace revolt against elite democracy. and regina kubat o, a journalist who has been reporting on election disinformation for the washington post. and of course, we want you to be a part of this conversation live on youtube. you can chat your comments and questions to our producer right here. and we will do our best to get them into the show. let's get straight to it. i want to start by asking you regina, why is this being dubbed the most consequential or important election in history? what's really at stake here, could you explain for our view it our viewers? i am and it's basically because the whole, the of truth on reality is going to be best in the upcoming election in this
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election. in particular, we are seeing a massive this information campaign that is working in favor and benefiting the front or on are afraid of the market. junior know locally as bomb bomb has nickname . this has been a decades long, well planned, well funded operation. that is cross platform, it's on youtube, it's on facebook. and basically, there are a lot of people who have been buying this very embellished narrative of the martial law years and of the markets legacy with in some cases total denial of the corruption that went on during the time. and if he makes it the presidency, it will definitely show how far gone the truth might be in our fledgling democracy . and you know, i like how you frame that because we have an example of just that someone who has been swayed perhaps by social media. and obviously social media always playing a very big role in all the elections. i want to ask you,
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before we get to that thought leanne, the campaigns really seem this time around to be driven more by personality. if you will, than ideology, is that true? you've been on the ground. what can you tell us about marco's juniors can contender? or you can see that it's driven by personality. when you have loyalists of the dictator working for the son. because his father was the dictator and a 3 gene said they buy into the embellished image of the marshmallow years. b, allegedly, the golden era of the philippines. marcos himself mark with this on the front drawn himself this not give comprehensive platforms he has on this can been on the platform where our promise of unity hunger unit, the better internet unit, the better education unit the and he does not apologize for that for him. and his campaign, dave started, the psyche are so well that they feel like it's working, it's resonating with people. and even though he is so well, the rising figure,
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he told himself in fact to be a unifying leader, richard, a unifying leader. we've heard marcos junior, his campaign just there and for many people, you know, being about unity, unity about what exactly is it just the unity of to sort of dynastic leaders do territory of course and marcus juniors, father, what is, what is this unity that they're speaking about one said, it's a classic, generic mater who statement that really is vacuous. there's no clear policy implications here. we have seen that the front runner, boom, marcus, has tried to avoid any legitimate debate, even debate that were sanctioned by the commission electrons. so unity is their easiest way of saying we don't have a really detailed debate because once we get into details, that's where the devil comes in. right? and the devil in many cases is the, essentially the baggage historical values. the market is, i mean i have personal dog. this is the most consequential filament elections, at least since 969. this was the last time and not marcus was on the ballot. and
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once the fodder mark was actually wonder election, $969.00. shortly after he declared martial law, and since then we have been living in the shot of the mark with us with another marcus. now we ins he could complete. what do, terry could not complete in the last 6 years any that there could really undermine the foundations of democracy in the philippines. but he didn't have the discipline and were we adult and he's quite, you know, advancing age marcos, if he comes soon he can finish the job. right. and push the philippine democracy over the place. and then i see virginia nodding and you wanted to jump in, go ahead. oh, i was just going through maybe cut in a bit basically. yeah, definitely, that is on the line of is upcoming election and the markets is really are benefiting from this decade long rebranding. it's very strange because definitely in the international i, in the world i, there is nothing
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a ledger the bought the corruption in the baggage of the marshal law years into the market. your team. right. that's why. because locally that being confessed by people who have lived through it well, and it certainly seems, according to all of you, that there is a bit of revisionist history going on, potentially using the online playground, if you will. we have interview with out can try to. he's a 25 year old supporter of demarco's family in general. he really talks about how the information he's seeing online is directly influencing and vote. take a listen info in minneapolis while i was scrolling down social media. there were a lot of articles about the achievements of marcus his father. so then i got curios and i checked the articles and i saw how beautiful the philippines were during the time under ferdinand marcus. how cheap goods were and how much infrastructure he built, of which we are still using now. you know, richard, what do you, what do you make of that message right there? i mean, in 1900. 86, you know,
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people power protest brought down the market family for a reason. it seems odd to be back, as you said, you know, 3 decades or more later with the same debate between authoritarianism and the democracy. what do you make of that messaging is social media really impacting abroad section of the electorate? right. i mean, let me just clarify because i think there has been a lot of millennial and youth bashing throughout the years. but if you look at the numbers, actually the exit polls in 2016 elections. the reason why bumble marcus did not become the vice president because the millennials actually did not rally behind him . in fact, let's focus 55 and above a lot of boomers, right. and generation x were much more, you know, i would say much more given to the nostalgia for the marcos era. but in this election it's quite different. now i don't about the younger generation, but we have the gen, the generation 18 to 22 very young people in a lot of them are very active on tick tock platforms that were not really
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influential back in 2016. so this could be a different ball game right now. i think the millennials were not really harbingers of revisionism, but this time i think there's much more plot ability in terms of the markets messaging to the generations. the. and i think that really focus on that. they knew they didn't do as well in 2016 in terms of the youth vote. so they have really focused on coming up with. i mean, you look at it, but maurice almost looks like a cape ops. if you look at solve, it kicked off, you know, videos among others and that clearly east catered to folks. very young folks like the black, the gentleman that entered with a while ago. and you know, it's interesting to hear you say that we know that social media is all too powerful, not just with, with the millennial generation believe in. i mean, marco somehow been able, mark was junior, i should say, to dismiss his own can conviction of tax evasion and kind of billions that his family still owns the government. are these issues front and center is his challenger, linear brideau, who central message is anti corruption. managing to bring back the narrative,
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perhaps to a more realistic portrayal of the history. it shouldn't be front and center, but the fact that it's not been front been sent. there is the price that we pay for having leak institutions for not having a much better institution. not have a membrane of what happened during martial law for having a weak dust assist them for having a weak anti corruption system. and in fact, the political opposition they did. and they've been trying to bring those issues front and center. but we see that a read the campaign actually go up the message a few that the they were branded there. no go there. now saying they're going to win it for everybody. so now they realized just how powerful and how capturing the message of unit b. s. and would be in the last stretch of that lex. and so it's, it's very sad to see how all of these look a back stage in this campaign. but that's the price it pay for years of start coming from all sectors of civil society. yeah. including the media and,
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and what i want to get to that in a little bit. i do want to ask you regina, to listen to this young man kenneth coven, 19 response volunteer. who makes a kind of passionate case for why he's voting intra fur markers. his challender, lenny rebrand or take listen, i'm excited to vote for vice president linear read of her president because of 3 reasons. first be, be, let me help see my love once lives she gave my family members were front landers east and her city manager serge were offices programs on retesting and patient monetary. second vp levy has 0 record of corruption. she was given the highest audit reading 3 years in a row, 3rd, vp, lady lives symphony, and is the best person to fix many of our broken system slate public transport. because she is a computer late us and leaves an ordinary life. lagos, the berlin inspires many of us, the big a more active role in politics and governance. and that is why the lady is my
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prison. i know the polls show that you know, perhaps mark was junior's going to win. but do you think that lenny roberto has a chance to redeem a lot of analysts would say that maybe she might have the momentum to fall off for the finish. maybe richard would be able to weigh and then a bit later on. but definitely one thing that the surveys the not measured is the engagement of the elect, the group. i have been on the ground or the house, the house campaign for linear bread though. and i can definitely say that it's something that the marcus cob this far has not been able to replicate really, because it's dr. mark assess, even with social media while it's been so effective, it's still the big them decades to make such a. com back at the be able to rehabilitate their name. but the momentum, the upward spring of the following. for rebecca, who has been vilified for 6 years there is, there is all these crazy conspiracy theories that go into are all this fake news.
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but somehow she managed to come up with come out of that with all the star power, all the celebrities who back her and a really, i would say unmatched volunteer campaign. that's very creative. that's willing to counter trolls for free because we work a through online response team. that's definitely something to watch out for even if she doesn't make the election richard to your thoughts. i mean, it seems as though this is an election in many ways about authoritarianism versus democracy. someone a candidate who wants to hold the system accountable. another who wants to continue to maybe steam, roll it. what do you make of kind of disinformation, how it's playing in, and what we just heard about robeto's real chances? well, let's be very clear about the situation here. leonard or bradley is not only against freedom. marcus junior, he's against the tandem, the axis of freedom. marcus junior and cited the 3rd that the president,
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this presidential daughter who's running for the vice presidency, but actually used to be the front runner in pre election service for the presidency . so the moment side to 3rd, to decided not to run for the presidency that was around 30 points that went to bumble marcos. so lenny is really against the whole team and that's the problem. that's why it's a little bit lopsided. the other thing we have to keep in mind is that actually pew survey world value survey. and when i was writing about the rise of that there, that i had to understand where is this coming from. and one of the thing i realize is that actually only 10 to 15 percent of filipinos of express categorical support for liberal democracy. so lenny is working in a very democratically ambivalent if not democracy, fatigue situation. that was, that's why she always had an uphill battle. but i think there was also some tactical mistakes. for instance, we see an upsurge of house to house volunteers, grand riley's, but you know how i wish this thing started in january, february. she's challenging, mark was the one on one debate. why now we should have done that in december,
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november, so there was a lot of discerning this hearing on the part of the opposition that i think really played into the markets camps advantage. right. and the, and i see you nodding there as, as we heard from richard. i do want to share with you this clip from rachel con. she's a project coordinator with the fact checking alliance in the philippines. that was specifically set up to address really a global problem, not just in the philippines, which is of course election disinformation take a listen. i think this information is being a very big role in terms of manipulating the public. and the public is not aware that they are being manipulated. and that's the sad thing that their freedom is being rob, because they're not making an informed choice solely and you know, and in january, twitter suspended hundreds of accounts that we're promoting marcos junior campaign and violating a lot of it's kind of rules on spam and manipulating the platform, you just heard that comment from the fact checker there. i mean,
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is there hope that this will be a fair election? it will be a fair election just because people feel like they made the choice. what i think, what people do not realize how much of their choice has been influenced by pick news by embellish stories. by, by my algorithm, i see it personally and the people that i go over it. i see it in my own family. they don't realize that much of their opinion has been shaped by wrong things by fall towards. so, i mean, if you look at it that way, the mockers, he's very much threat and we very much fear for where we're going. if the line is going to be further blurred between fact and fiction and you know, redeem when we talk about those lines being blurred. it's interesting to me and maybe i'm wrong, please correct me. the philippines doesn't really have any sort of rules or regulations on social media. it seems that they have regulations,
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like most country do in terms of campaign spending for media for mainstream media. but that there's almost an exception if i'm not mistaken for social media that there's, you know, there's no way to govern that, that you absolutely, and that is why some academics and critics have definitely called out the commission on elections because of the outdated rules that surround the social media campaigning in the philippines. one thing that we know is definitely that a lot of campaigning. advertising is ahead then through influencers it's made or this guys to look like it's organic. and there's basically no way to know whether windsor is on the politicians payroll on or not. so unlike if an influence through sped laying skin care products for well an instagram, you'd see that, that sponsored. but then they can, in politics when they're their marketing. a 3rd and politician, they can work that into any of their spills, any of their content. it will look re guide. but actually that person could be on
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the politicians payroll and there is no way of measuring up or finding that out in the current system. yeah, i mean lots of criticisms of the current system, not just the candidates from each different party. i do want to also share with you on youtube, some comments that have been coming in one from dot. let me just read it to you right here. the philippines use tip. no, actually this one's better. this is just the sad state of the world in general with the rise of all right. authoritarian populace to territory bung bung. trump brags that la la or ben modi both so narrow. so listing leader is right, that seemed to represent this sort of deepening divide. richard, what can you share with us about the geopolitical implications? what might marcus juniors rule actually look like if he does? in fact, when yeah, i mean the philippines is now actually kind of open system, right. i was quite shocking, an interview with the spokesman of the commission elections of years back to know that we don't really have a kind of
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a real boss mechanisms to make sure that there is no foreign interference in our elections. and, and the concern over for inter, for instance, special by authority par in super powers by china. russia, among others, has been something mentioned by a lot of experts. all but you know, we don't have a smoking gun because we don't really have a clear supervision of what's happening and is 6 or extremely high, extremely high. the philippines is a u. s. street the are low, but monday president of the 30, it has been acting like, not an ally at all. right. much my alley of china and the war is that a bond markets becomes the next president. he referred to killed the country in the direction of trying to add the expense of our traditional lines, this with america. now that is warning for a lot of us because we actually up territorial disputes. we china, not with the americans, while i regret the opposition county that has emphasized the importance of revitalizing our alliance. this with the west and fellow democrats nations. so did you, what legal or also extremely high. and there are many power, suave, also stake in who becomes the next president of the philippines. you know,
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it's interesting, we have a comment that was sent to us and you really laid it out there in terms of what's at stake for the world. sort of brought out the conversation. let us know what dr. jose ramon albert had to share with us. he had some deep insight. somebody will find his or pricing. the senator ferdinand muttered marcos junior, who scold longbow is leading by a very wide margin. ostrich on hooks. however, i am not because he has a vague, strong ally and sweet sorrow. do bear thee. the daughter off the current president was fav popular. what's more surprising to me that he's leading larger among the educated groups. and i think up, you have to watch out for you whether the those who are trailing behind would be withdrawing in the next few days. because that could be a game changer. likely sat that had a, it seems almost them is that viable?
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is that just like hopeful thinking that that could be a last minute game changer a canada? dropping out. what do you think, leon? i think it's very much between roberto and marcus now, and i think all of the support there suffice president or read or accounting that the surveys have a blank but that at regina said that they haven't taken into account the unprecedented ground movement of doing house to house nationwide that's never been done before. usually you do house to house for a local elections and so maybe we're in for a surprise. maybe not. but one thing that i can foresee in the future, whoever, when it's going to be a bullet, the 1st, the one month or 2 months. if marcus wins all those thousands of people that showed up for a bred though, are going to make their voices heard. if not read the wins, the 56 percent lead, the people that make up that lead the markets are going to have their voice carried . so we're in there right. in the next month to month the month. interesting.
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interesting. i mean, you know, we have a lot of people on youtube commenting. for example, j 50 thing. we should stop calling him bong bong, and call him only as burden and marcos junior to remind every supporter who they're voting for. trying to say that perhaps even just that is in a way, you know, focusing on the personality rather than the politics. i mean, if i'm not mistaken, under his father's rule, thousands were tortured, we're disappeared. we're murdered. and you know, it's struggling to imagine that that's just being jailed over. i do want to say on the actual policies, we've talked a lot about, you know, the politics of all of this. but it seems both candidates have made sort of big pledges. if i'm not mistaken region to improve health care and fight poverty, that's kind of the overriding issue or has been for many, many elections in philippines history. is that true or is there a clear sort of difference between the 2? like what leon and yeah, the earlier. yeah. the, there's
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a very vague promise of you and that the, but the platforms actually have not really been fleshed out, partly because marcus, junior and tired that they're there have really refused to participate them to be repressed and answer any questions that includes both regarding controversies and basic policies like economics and demick responds, etc. so they haven't been question there in terms of been that make, respond your bread. the has had a bit of a track record with being very active in terms of her programs and a lot of her biggest endorsements. now a lot of the people who really testify are people who have benefit from her various programs. over the years while she was kind of working silently. definitely, one thing that we're seeing with her brother's campaign is it's actually borrowing from the radical love model we've seen in 30 back in 2090. and when our position went up against the gun, one thing that we can learn from that particular campaign is about the camp really
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year back. these populace out there. right, right. have the cater the got issues and, and basically court the, the electorate, based on things that are, that are basically closer to their heart than the drug guar or human rights issues or social issues where they can be more, more or less thick. but i want to share with you very quickly, something that ferdinand bung bung marks junior high say on facebook just yesterday . take a look. i get none increases in the middle of a crisis. we should brace and prepare for better to morrow. let us where we are united and let us turn our backs on disagreements and deficient spear and lattice embrace a unifying lita can will bring us a bright future. happy so dada thing the mile and maybe like a long and then put that on may 9. we also need to be vigilant of our votes. let us protect our decision and let us not allow it to be stolen again from us. seem willing sir richard watching that we don't have much time left. i just want to get
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a quick take as that is that campaigning is that disinformation and of itself? i mean, just look at the video. it's screams nostalgia, it makes you think of his father. i mean, he, the way he dresses the way looks he's very style. i mean, the, the unity kind of a vague mater would statement. it's something that his father also use the say, you know that if you put someone like me so and be political, we'll whatever that means someone with strong, we'll then automatically and magically all of our problems are going to go away. that's why they want to talk about policy, because this is all about right. putting our confidence in some sort of father would figure, and that's what he's doing by erie lashley trying to look like on fodder. and perhaps we should have talked about. the patriarchy always seems like a very relevant topic when discussing politics in this day and age. richard leon, ah, regina, thank you so much. that's all the time we have for today. thanks for watching at home and see you next time you can always follow us at stream dot al jazeera dot com ah
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