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and gang warfare is salvatore ever be defeated? a state of emergency has been imposed to curve fighting between rival gangs. what's the reason for the increase in gang cried, and can the street be made safe? this is inside story. ah . hello, welcome to the program. i'm hashim humbler. he calls himself the coolest dictator. the world president of el salvador there year buccheri has also been responding to

criticism of a crack down on violent gangs. critics say the government's get tough approach being used to intimidate them, as well as to limit the civil liberties of or salvadorans. more than 22000 arrests have been made since bull kelly declared. a state of emergency in march international riots grew se arbitrary. ras are common, and police routinely infringe basic rights. despite that will carry has an 85 percent approval rate. the highest of any leader, latin america. we're here from our guests in a moment. first, this report from john holland. this is the image that the salvador government wants to transmit. another suspect to gang member of the streets, his tattoos giving away his affiliation with criminal ban. ah, they've arrested more than $20000.00 people in the last month and a half as

a seek to clean the m. s. 13 and barrier way teen gangs out of neighborhoods. they've ruled for decades. but this also is an image of the crackdown. one of many women sank bye to a husband or a son, as a disappearance of the salvador and prison system. here are others. i love you, son. she sank in march after a murder spike. the country declared a state of emergency that many people could be arrested without a warrant. the salvadoran congress has extended that state of emergency to late may . please continue to round up young men or mess. inevitably along with the guilty human rights groups. i be innocent, have been taken martha and the loose code al jazeera, her sons. one of the latter he sells face must to hospital. she says and helps her get by now she's used the quarter of what she makes in a month at a market still to try me free him. don't get a 2nd 100 percent out on the hunting offender,

but i don't know why the president is doing this to innocent. people have people that aren't guilty. i can find someone's done something they should pay. but the not guilty. yeah. lee, she knows where he is. other women going from prison to prison, trying to find their relatives, look at the crowd here, and the crackdown goes on in the italian district, a well known m s. 13 stronghold. so just question search everyone going in and out with an overwhelming number of salvadorans approve of president night bu kelly's actions. hamilton, we have stopped bain extortion. we're not being anything now. the gang members have been being seen. they have practically disappear, and business is flowing. people are no longer afraid to come to the city center and walk the streets. so many have suffered extortion rape, killing that even if some innocence have to suffer others believe that's a price worth paying if they can simply be free. the question is,

if at the end of all the arrest confusion of brutality, this will actually work. john holman, out 0 to main rival gangs operate in el salvador, the mud r. salvatore gotcha is more commonly known as the m. s. 13. it originated in the 1970s in los angeles and is estimated to have $50000.00 plus members, both male and female in various countries. the enemy is the bar, you 18 or the 18th street gang. it also has its roots in los angeles and with a multi ethnic membership. more than 50000 strong. both gangs are estimated to make millions of dollars a year through illegal drug trafficking, robbery, and kidnapping, to name just a few in a long list of criminal activity. ah lettering in our gas in washington dc. catalina jimenez is president of washington

office or latin america in manchester. calling harding is latin america analyst and director of latin for a consultancy and information service or latin america. also in washington, d. c. hector silver. dallas is a salvador and journalist and senior research fellow at the american university center for latin america and latino studies welcome to the program. carina. how should we characterize the wicked murders in el salvador ave, an act of defiance by the gangs. the way of saying to the president that his 0 tolerance approach is not working. there are theories around why you know that we can last. so try and we saw this in a spike in the number of opponents committed initially by their members. but what i think is clear and what that, you know, we can re, flags,

is that criminal activity. and the power plant is, is still a very present reality. or, perhaps because the root cause is of that by and it has no being addressed. when a country implement a well, we call it in spanish, the manual manual due to a hard line item, fees, bonuses to address it is a security problems. the resource is often very short term and you know, this is because that create well that ga situation of bio mass that spread over a country are not truly tackling as well. what i, what i think we saw on that very chatting weekend was a situation that has not been sold. that could repeat itself this by the point is being apply right now, or perhaps because of the point is, is being applied right now in the need to have

a solid response about when they're exposed to a comprehensive approach to addressed by in the doesn't focus. so much at least you know, i measures that do know going to different ok collins. so you have a president with kelly who has been saying for quite some time that it's because of his policy. his approach is toughness. when it comes to dealing with guns and gun crime, that there's been this decline, but really you have this string of crimes taking place over the weekend. do you see it that way that the government has failed to address the root cause of the problem? or, i mean there is one theory which is a website has come up with in fact it does, he reach to deal with the gangs to lower the levels of buyers for certain privileges. and that this is broken down. the counter spike

is always the library and i know i probably have it, but it does sound quite plausible because certainly the merger come down dramatically since you know, since it was the. ready the world around 2015 was down, her much love figure last year. but i think it's director of the previous because it, the root cause is whether they maybe have not really gone into having spent lavishly, which is the thing that makes it a popular with many out the door. is it? he's avoided making any sort of structural changes or if this deal that he supposedly made has broken down for whatever reason. this may be the, the gangs way, i guess is attitude. we'll talk about the root causes. we'll talk about what's

happening, what the government is doing, who are these gangs? but in the mean time, hector, when you have 62 people killed on saturday, the most violent day in 20 years, in el salvador. could you the, could this be a message, but typically from the most aggressive, all these guys, the n s. 13 saying that we are now gaining the upper hand as far as salvador is concerned? yes, i think they have had the upper hand for quite a while. right now, until now i would say that in fact, my thinking is that the whole book kelly presidencies based in a pack of some sorts with that with the 2 big gangs. because these gangs have held territorial control over a great portion of the country neighborhood that will be bearable or the

countryside, the big cities for 25 years now. and there hasn't been any government that has been able to address that. these guys are pretty hardly embedded in the, in the social fabric of soluble. and the way that not just caliber will kill another policy, should have managed to deal with that theory. total control is by making truces or packing with them. that's that, that's the, these packed, i think there are enough evidence this now that there is an on going back with the gangs. and that is so some somewhat fragile packed at some point. and i think what happened, as, you know, said in the and the, in black. but that we can, is that the gangs were actually making a payment. something happened. we don't know exactly what happened yet. with that fact that had a ripple effect and the gangs that effectively those were begun saying yes we are

here, we hold the control of these territories. and if you don't comply with whatever we're asking, this is what, what's going to happen. ok are perfectly capable of doing these anytime catalina, so the president takes credit for why a disc wives as an unprecedented decline in the streets crime in his salvador. while we all know that this is something that started in 2015, 4 years before he comes in to paula, should he take the full credit for this or this was the result of a political process, thus thought that way. before naval kelly, i think he takes grade one week and then he shows and the week after that he has to do something because, you know why he took credit for is no longer is no longer happening. i don't think, i mean, i think it made a very good point. i mean, gun violence in saudi is not

a new phenomenon. is unfortunately, thousands of civilians are being victims of, you know, and guidance for their days now. and they do control and you know, i'm what i'm part of the territory, etc. so be decreasing violence. it's just part of a cycle therapy to solve and comes with environment because different causes are not there. so i think he got a credit for a homicide. he with 0 home is i today, but then you know, each later he has to take that back because he says i increase in again. so i don't think the administration medically has been successful using via ok calling. so for quite some time we have top salvatore. in officials coming out and saying that they have been doing all it takes to clean up the streets until an investigative media outlet. alfaro said, wait

a 2nd. maybe those some dodgy politics here. the government is now being accused of striking a deal with m. s. 13 and m. s. 18. what is it? what it implies? perhaps the government, all these groups to stop killing people in the meantime, do whatever they want to do. just to give credit to the president that his doing good. well, that's what it does. certainly some documentary evidence has been uncovered that some kind of deal of that sort was that was reached. and as i said earlier, the one theory is that this sudden spiker violence is because this deal has broken down for whatever reason. and this is, that's been said, this is been making a statement that look, retirement. let's turn on the types of balances, one of them credit or whenever they, whenever they choose. and it's worth noting also. ready that the son crackdown abigail has gone in for, in fact

a reversion to previous government's policies. a previous right when government issued iran a party has a policy called super heavy hand in which they are there, that they flooded the streets with military. they rounded people up in much the same way with her to get it done and the facts where no negligible in terms of a long term change situation after this. so that could potentially tarnish the reputation over. now you, because the fact that right after those revelations, by, i'll fall, we saw the u. s. administration put in restrictions and imposing sanctions on top of missiles affiliated with the president. yes, and i think this is that the ben up in story because yes, in fact these whole gang issue has put, there were galen ministration and art with washington. i see, no washington has been the traditional ally of the sellers is a lot of time now. and one of the reasons that it has become bitter is because

it actually be investigation that then fido would out west based in great part in investigations better by a joint task force of an official and u. s. official incense time or so. so the u. s. is pretty aware of these and actually the u. s. has asked for the extra vision of 14 m as 13. neither is and the bouquet, let administration well his attorney general or our guy that i was name by we'll collect will hast deny that. and the supreme court has the name that so this is, is, is sad, as i said, i developing story and will and, and a gap would that will kill administration and ards with washington cohen or we have here of the verse center of this debate is 2 of the most brutal notorious gangs in central america, the martyr silva rocher, or the anis,

13 and ill barrio 18 or the m. s. 18. why, why? why are they so powerful? in a place? small country like a salvador. i think, you know. ready about a country and a half and truly with its legacy. you know, war as we know very violent, very time next to word. and unfortunately, you know, the process, the necessary cross product of justice and conciliation has never been truly supported by the government that, that came to by. what asked if you were ended it to that you also have a country now, as you know, very, very troubling a comic indicators, i mean, ashburn, people, very mind, artist, communities, and do not have access to education, united to basic advice and basic services. so clunky with that, you know,

when you combine that we've, you know, what as far as time by the way, in society and she's having a very diaspora in this case, in the united states. and you know, it's also in the board that in large numbers, eastern, i mean you have a combination for this type of criminal groups to, to, you know, to, to be one. and we know that the potential have adopted the creation of the mattress in a word, but also to flourish and then combine team creamy environment with nancy. so we start recipe for disaster and i think it's in the long run made these gums more about. i see a point, collin, now, when you have gangs wish managed to set a powerful armies in a place like a saw of other or maybe take advantage of the legacy of the country itself,

violence, civil war and so on and so forth. you have other saying that this is just an excuse by the government, the clam down itself. just unexcused by a government trying to further clamp down on political freedoms and freedom of expression to just for the president to further consolidate his grip of power. a style style, he does seem self as a providential figure. he's a part of the populace phenomenal, which we've seen in many different parts of the world. when he was elected to 90, he just swept away the 2 traditional parties, which is also in power b as in a personal following. and he cultivated his personal image. they, they refer baseball,

they constant social media. ready post the counseling around dressing crowds and very much cost is alan brown. he was a former advertising math and knows all about such things. and yes, i mean, there are indications that he finds a democratic control is a way to replace judges with people who might be troublesome with people that have to when you look at the sequence events in el salvador state of emergency followed by major reforms of the penal code which, which implies sentences of after 245 years in prison for gang membership. and also you have the new law which regulates the way social media operates, particularly when it comes to reporting on the croc done on the gangs. people see

it differently, see it as an attempt by the government to just build a dictatorship in salvador. yes. i think actually i am pretty sure that the so called crack down on began what it is a crack down on democracy. but this has been the plan of naval galaxies day one. i think i truly think that he had a plan of that plan west to consolidate our amounts power over his overwhelming popularity. the 1st part of the plan was take control of congress, which did by popular both and then take control of the of the all the institutions . and then what the script found has, has helped him do is precisely that is to finish the staff in which he ambitious is himself to be re elected in 2024. and in order to do that,

he needs that overwhelming popularity to stay. i did it as long as he's loved by the seller on people, he will be safe in power. and in order to do that, he needs to get rid of comfortable boyce's, of critical journalists, or the political opposition. and actually, if you look at the other reforms, especially those to that, to the penal code. if there are a to, to, to silence those most current. we have running short on time here. when you look at the pattern of the gang violence, we're seeing the same pattern in salvador, guatemala, honduras groups plain thing because of the fight over a territory. we see that the body of 18 for example, splintered into the southerners and the revolutionaries and something with that has the potential is just to further create more violence and instability. is this something a government like salvage or tiny nation of 70000000 can handle? or this is something that really needs an american policy. yeah, i think you know,

in general and robin getting violent and especially when it comes to these type of guy that us i have not necessarily a broadening of one country. i have a spread 2 to 3 or more countries require brought in comprehensive strategies. so i do think we may, we may need, you know, something in that definitely things that a country a, do you know, you need a comprehensive approach to tackle this type of gun violence. and that includes, you know, adjusted before a dependent investigation, community based intervention in those things could be discussed and debated if the president would please, you know, to experts to human rights. and i say she has an end to see the sense. but i don't think the president is missing, i think the president, treating as you know, like on the say, a mass in more power for all their reasons beyond, you know, controlling and sure in the us. i know you can have

a fear in by that. okay. collin, which should be the 1st priority in places like a salvador and central america in particular. the need to tackle instability violence on groups and drug trafficking or going because ultimately as long as those are there, the guns will continue to thrive. well, yes, not all intimately interconnected against will turn the answer any that raises money for them and extend the controller of the local communities, whether it's smuggling, drug, smuggling, extortion, i mean, the extortion of the cost companies, for instance, is prevalent throughout central america. and so that, you know, they, they, there's no way of separating the 2 point is, is there like to,

or that is that about whether buccheri is going to listen to advice or suggestions . you know, no matter. he's actually defined the national ministry making bitcoin legal. i mean, it's been a good crypto courtesy company in the world, a completely new country. and so in the i met him a time by a promise you that this is a story that will definitely revisit on inside story in the near future. in the mean time color jimenez calling hard in and hector silva about us. i really appreciate your insight. thank you and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside. so you can also join the conversation on twitter. i have

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