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these would be the only options available then for decades, the united states in the west have pushed for and failed to broker a 2 state solution to resolve the palestinian israeli conflict. i am at aberdeen and today on the stream we ask is a one state solution, a more realistic path to peace? joining us to discuss this in ramallah, no doubt they are a political analyst and founding member of the democratic national assembly in washington d. c. college that again d, he's a senior fellow with the middle east institute and in brooklyn, new york only bomb. he's a professor of philosophy at the new school for social research and author of the book, half up republic, and a quick shout out to those of you watching us on youtube. we invite you to share your thoughts and questions in our live chat, and we will try to bring them into our discussion. carla. i want to start with a fact some 33 percent. it seems of palestinians in the occupied west bank and gaza strip support a one state solution. think that's up from about 29 percent

a few months ago. ah, that's according to a recent poll i should say by the palestinian center for policy and survey research . i, what do you think is behind this, why this shift in support and why are we hearing more about a one state solution? well, i think the probably the most obvious answer to that question because of the failure of the existing process. i mean they're, they're, it's been going on now for almost 30 years or actually more than 30 years. and we've had every type of american government, democrats, republicans, we've seen israeli government left, right. and center we've had of course, dominated yellow. but we even had a moment of, of a mass government in, in the housing authority. so every possible political combination has been tried with the multiple rounds of negotiations and they've all failed. and so it's natural that people will turn to alternatives and start thinking about what else is

possible. and i would, i would say that it's very significant in most of these polls are limited to how has been in didn't occupy territory right in the west thinking and gaza. and this is the one how it's been in constituency that has been the most favorable toward a 2 state solution really for the past year. and so the fact that even in this constituency support for 2 states is going down and support for one state is going up, is really thing quite a lot because when you factor in the rest of the palestinian public in the day for then you see a much more solid majority in favor of one state. interesting. i mean, new, or israel, someone say has taken steps in recent years and decades really, to make a 2 state solution, seemingly impossible. i mean cheap among them manic thing. more of the occupied was

bank. expanding jewish only settlements enshrining that in law. i mean there are now more than 700000 settlers living in the occupied west bank. maybe the right question to ask if you will is, is not if the 2 state solution is dead. but when was it ever alive? when was it properly born? i know we talk about oslo and 67. i mean, was it ever alive? well, if i, if i may, i think we need to ask a different question please. which is, what is the root cause of the situation? the root cause is that there is a settler colonial regime that has oppressed, persecuted, and denied the palestinian people their rights. unless this regime is deconstructed and the palestinian people are allowed to exercise self determination, then we can talk until our faces turn blue about one state to state. look at that state whatever that you want. and we still won't get

a conclusive reality of peace and security for both because the reality is, unless we talk about that elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about the settler colonial regime, the apartheid regime from the river to the c and d, construct that recognize palestinian right recognize the neck, but the atrocities committed than the consequences of the neck. but then i don't think that any solution is viable and i have to say and remind our viewers that there is no solution on the table at this point. the world discontent, dealing with a right wing is really government denies any rights to the palestinian people, refuse to talk about anything related to political truck with the palestinians. yeah. and so there is no solution in the offing and the horizon. the world is very happy, ignoring the apartheid regime,

of the subtler colonialism that has been tried in palestine, and i appreciate you talking about the point, the world's very happy to ignore it and who the status quo actually served. only with that in mind that mean in your, in your new book, hyper republic, a democratic future for israel, you really seem to lay it out or at least explore the possibility that the key to piece is to restructure israel into a ingle by national state. which acknowledges the human rights of both palestinians andrews and sees them as equal citizens and you kind of frame it or it's framed on the back of your book. i should say that this is kind of the only way to avoid a catastrophe. you know that word obviously for many palestinians, you know, i conjures up the neck by itself. the catastrophe that happened in 1948. i'm wondering, is it your view that the palestinian people deserve the right to self determination and, and why in your mind or in your book, why,

why do you see the 2 state solution as, as not plausible or impossible? yeah, well 1st am i to say obviously it is my view that the palestinian people have the right for national self determination. that's the reason why i wrote a book. i fear that if we're going to continue speaking about a 2 state solution than the palestinian people will not have the right of self determination. i can agree you very much with no, i think i would put it in slightly different terms than nor has in, i think that cetera colonial is a colonialism is part of the, is part of the problem. i definitely agree that a certain understanding of zionism, zionism as we've come to know, it has a extruded the rights of palestinians on the whole territory. jordan river to the sea there, right for self determination. and i think that if you will not start taking steps towards deconstructing those assumptions, then just as you've said,

i don't think that even apartheid will be the end result. i think that we're looking at least as a possibility of another napa, because people so often tend to forget an apartheid is not a solution and apologize for the situation that itself is not stable. and for that reason, it has to be resolved in a certain way and it will be revealed. i'm. so if we will do not start walking on the steps beyond the 2 state solution beyond again, i agree with no beyond the assumptions that make that situation. the case, then we will end up seeing things that are worse in apartheid and we're already beginning to see them and, and that, you know, please feel free to jump in. i, i do wanna, you know, discuss some of those things and try to make some of that deconstruction happen on this show. i do want to bring up though, this idea of, you know, talking till we're blue in the face. ah, you know, 40 years ago i'm not mistaken, nor in 1980 to jerusalem. his deputy mayor muran ben van misty warned that the

establishment of a 2 state solution was already back then in 1982, almost impossible because a hun read 1000 jewish settlers would soon be living in the occupied west bank. so now we've added $600000.00 or plus, and we see decisions like the one last night from the israeli supreme court after 23 years. ah, it, you know, kind of, it's, it's almost baffling that we're still at this point. so why would the israeli government a bebe, expanding settlements just to put it simply in or if they were planning one day to have a 2 state solution where they would have to remove those 700000 sellers? i'm so glad you asked the question. i met because i think it's important to remind ourselves why the term peace process has become a dirty word in the region. why palestinians cringe when they hear that term to state solution because what they've meant over the past 20 or or so years is

a process by which the united states has absolute hedge of money. it basically caters, it makes the world revolve around, is rarely demands and israeli wants and needs. it shields israel from any kind of accountability. it provides it with all sorts of political goodies and, and bribe if you will, to kind of sit on the table with the palestinians and, and now even that is not a demand anymore. but to make a long story short, it has allowed and enabled israel to get away with colonial expansion, with land grab with undermining palestinian rights while asking palestinians for concessions all the time. my problem with the idea that the 2 state or the 2, you know, the idea of an independent viable palestinian state is dead and so we must look for other yeah. formulas is that it is predicated on the idea that the world

revolves around is really demands that everybody must cater to what israel wants and what israel will allow to happen. and in a way that is an endorsement of the colonial status quote. and that where that is where you lose me as a palace, right? and that is where i find it very problematic. we have to shift the paradigm and, and, and start plucking accountability like everybody else is doing it anywhere else in the world. yeah, i know, and i appreciate you using that term only as a reflection of sort of the broadening of the widening of the terminology, if not the attempt to apply accountability on the israeli government. but, you know, we've heard terms like ethnic displacement, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, much more in the public discourse in the media. valid with that in mind. i want to share with you on a video comment that we received from christian publish and organizer at harvard college as palestine solidarity committee. he really points to why he thinks the

idea of a 2 state solution inherently, is a sham and it's very common amongst youth. take a listen, the idea of a to solution and more generally negotiations with silica. one state of israel has been nothing but a sham serving as a communion pretext for israel to continue it's decades, all policy of unabashed, subtler, colonial violence and expansion. this is why we must be directing our energies to put in paulson liberation at the center of this conversation by supporting b. s. and it's uncompromising cause of ending the occupation except equal rights, the palestinians in israel, and recognizing the power in the right of return. in many ways is demands are the prerequisites to any state solution. because if we're serious about peace, we should be equally serious about the posted in call for justice and equality so valid. he makes the case that we should direct our energy towards b d. s to try to hold israel accountable to try to bring about change on the ground. what do you make of that? where should we put our energy?

yeah, i mean i, i think the call for accountability is certainly understandable if there's one thing. and there are many things this thing, but if there is a one thing missing from what we used to call the, the peace process, it is this idea of accountability. certainly there's been accountability for palestinians. our citizens are the single most sanctioned group in the u. s. congress of any group on, on earth and, and there are all kinds of leverage and pressure points that the international community has to dictate, even in terms of internal palestinian affairs. but we've never seen any form of accountability on these railey side and considering the huge power asymmetry. and that is entailed in that. what the result is that we have an even a more symmetrical situation. in other words,

the piece process actually contributed to this a demetri right, by putting pressure on the palestinians, the weak side and alleviating. any sort of pressure accountability on this, on the stronger side. yeah. and so now it is, i think, understandable why civil society and it's saying the process failed to get accountability. the palestinian leadership failed to get any accountability. and so the only thing left is things like p d. s. where did you go ahead? go ahead. army can i jump believe so i want to agree or disagree with my friends here. first, i agree that there has to be accountability where there's a fully quality, something that i stand by. then there has to be also accountability for crimes committed, then crimes are committed. so no, to the extent that if you're common seem to suggest that maybe that's not my view

because trying to think how to move forward without that element. that's not my view. i think that you're right that the ability matters and there should be no compromises on that. however, i also want to. ready say that this is not in us, and unfortunately i'm not seeing in most of the discussions in which i participate . yeah. perhaps not participating in enough discussions and i'd love to see more i'm, i'm not seeing also the steps beyond accountability. let's fight for accountability because i agree, it's an expression of the lack of quality that there is no accountability in these rasa. let's discuss what the alternative solution is supposed to look like. what are the steps? accountability may be one of them. what are the steps on the way to achieving that action? i that's a conversation. i very much would love no, and i would love for, nor anyone to jump in there. but before we do, and i don't mean to be kind of simplistic about it, but in my understanding, you can't really take those extra steps if there's no willingness from the israeli

people or the international community to actually create that accountability to take the very early steps i mean, you know, settlement expansion illegally creeping annexation, demolishing homes forcibly removing people from their homes. and again, we've mentioned the supreme court's decision just yesterday shows that there's no legal recourse whether you're living as a palestinian within the state or not. but perhaps i'm sharing my opinion there but, but i do want to kind of come come back to this idea if you will. college of the palestinian perception of their options is declaring a 2 state solution. no longer viable, somehow seen as how can i put it kind of giving up on liberation, kind of like a like a palestinians. you're giving up on the idea of the right of return a. why is it so controversial still? well, i think it's controversial. certainly for the palestinian leadership that has invested

heavily in the true state framework and has state it's political existence on and on achieving that goal obviously to you know, without much success. and so it's, i understand why this leadership is wended, almost existentially to a, a 2 state solution to, to stand up and say to stay solution is dead, is admit their own political failure over the past, the quarter to entry. and so we're not likely ready that, right, i think it's also very hard to, or ordinary palestinians completely give up on the idea of 2 states because of the sunken cost. right? because you have a palestinian authority as functional and as stagnant as it is. and as, as misery valid, i'm just going to build up what you said to kind of include some of the comments from our youtube section. i mean, stagnant is one way of putting it, but how many people might even say complicit? not just an occupation, but in this kind of kind of the sense of, you know,

no option, no other option. i mean nur, as you know, nearly 80 percent of palestinians. if i'm not mistaken, want mahmoud abbas to resign. we have a comment from kerry graham saying one state solution can only work if israelis are willing to give palestinians equal rights. given israel's proven history. and the inherent racism of zionism, this seems unlikely, nor what is, what is the role of the palestinian authority or, or is there a role? i mean, a lot of people say the 1st step is to dismantle the palestinian authority and then find a real path towards ending the occupation. well i, i'm, you know, i'm not a cheerleader for the current leadership, but i am not in favor of dismantling the palestinian authority. and i have reasons for that. starting with the fact that, look, we are the,

the week or side in this equation, if you will. we do not have the super powerful army. we are not a super power in intelligence and alliances with european union and the united states. we have done, though, over the past 50 or 60 years is accumulate a very important, invaluable, really standing in terms of international law. the, this is, this is our field right in the past, 50 or so years. what we've done is that we've established our rights, our national rights in international law. there's that there's a whole body of work in international law based or centered around palestinian rights to give that up to give the legal to give up the legal status of the palestinian people of their rights. the international recognition of palestine as a state, internationally in return for what in return for normalizing the existence of

settlements which are a war crime, unoccupied territory, normalizing the takeover of all of historic palestine and thus endorsing the greater israel project. this is i think where it gets tricky. even the question, even the polls that you brought up earlier. yeah. when we talk about a one state solution, i think it depends. you know, for when palestinians respond, it really depends on what kind of one state they're thinking. right, right. the yellow up until 1900. 88. talked about a state for all its citizens, one state democratic for all its citizens, regardless of religion. yeah. but it wasn't based on lion as them and it was it based on facts created by colonial takeover. we have to make that distinction. and i think if we did, yeah, pulls which know you a very different result. giving up all that standing. yeah. would you palestinians

and limbo and quite frankly, yeah, you know, even though that there isn't much confidence in the international system at this point because it's duplicated us. yeah. you know, we'd be left completely naked and, and why should we do that? no, no, and i, i think that's a fair, fair point and only when you, when you hear nor making this point, right, i do wonder, you know, when we talk about the number of palestinians and israelis, i believe the number of palestinians already exceeds the number of israeli jews on the ground and in a one state option, ah, it's my understanding the law would no longer be able to continue sort of affording or allowing for jews all over the world to receive sort of automatic citizenship. what do you make about these 2 sort of diametrically opposing narratives about who has the right not only to the land, but quite frankly, to exist as human beings? well, i think that's what we need to do is to find the logic that would the construct, the type of exclusionary and politics in which the rights of existence of one

people will override the rights of existence of another. again, i want to fully endorse. it's also related topics. know is speaking about accountability, and relatedly i take it off international law and i accept both. i think that they are, they're both have to be preserved. if we are to move towards a one state solution, it has to be the type of one state solution that precisely would be argued for from the perspective. also for international law. the fact that the 2 state solution and the talk about a 2 state solution can no longer respect international lawyers know me know better than i do in fact, knows better than i. the fact that international law is not respected. and the fact that international law does not currently defend the palestinian people. that is something that concerns me a lot. on the other hand, as you just said, the palestinians are

a majority on the territory. that is something that actually is giving them. i think the main advantage the main advantage if you'd like in a states that if one day will be created, then actually they will have the power something i'm willing to learn to live, to live with. yeah. if there would be full equality, that's a type of politics that we need to start thinking about. my view of i'm or my counter for once the solution is not one that supposed to be based on zone is and it's extremely important to say. again, i'm not sure if this is what know was suggesting maybe it was maybe it was, it might do it however. yeah, that's something that i'm extremely interested in debating and talking about is palestinians. it is that a one state solution can be consistent with xander and it ought not be based on science. and my showed life was palestinians in this region can now be how, how just was a falling fact that this is actually, this is something that also goes back to something the college was saying in the

falling in the falling sense that i'm, what i'd like to see, israel is learning to do and possibly also palestinians, even though i understand that the cases are not symmetric, is understanding the distinction between sovereignty and self determination. i think sovereignty ought to belong to all of the. busy inhabitants of palestine between the river and the sea fully equally. however, self determination can be exercised despite such equal sovereignty in autonomy for example. that is. so if we're talking about a bi national program, right, which of, by national, it asserts the right of self determination of policy. now, am i right of self regulation of joseph in so far it is consistent right? learning and, and that is the clip. i know maria moore, i, you know, we start to dig a little deeper, get a little bit, perhaps philosophical, but also in a good way. you know, deconstructing this very messy reality is,

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