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teens. 73 roe vs wade ruling. the move would be millions of women across the u. s. could soon lose their legal right to abortion. senate majority leader, chuck schumer has called the draft ruling an abomination and hopes the vote will send a message ahead of the mid term elections later this year. that would be one of the worst decisions that the supreme court has ever issue. it would mean that our children would have less rights than our parents. that is simply on american. and we will vote on wednesday and every american we'll see how every sen stands. they can't duck it anymore. ah, this is al jazeera and these are the top stories ukraine's president says 60 people have been killed after russia bombed a school in the east of the country. about 90 residents were sheltering the building and lou hans, when it was hit on saturday. g 7 nations have agreed to impose new sanctions on
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russia and its leaders. the group says president vladimir putin actions have brought shame on russia. poles have opened in the philippines and a presidential election described as the most important and recent history. opinion polls predict a wind for ferdinand marcos junior, the son of a former president who was ousted in a popular uprising in 1986. florence louis has more from a pulling station in the capitol. manila hose open at 6 in the morning and monday has the declines at public holidays so that more people can come out to cost that balance. now, even before poles open, we saw people who was queueing up, ready to vote, and this was when it was still dark. as you can see now the still here getting the details change before they're allowed into a voting precinct. now polls will stay open till 7 in the evening. those are longer than usual hours. and that's to accommodate cove at 19 safety measures. but the commission to lead and the commission of elections has said that poles will stay
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open for much longer than that. if there are still vote is queuing outside to cost that balance. costa rica new president, rodrigo chavez has promised to revive the economy, invest in education and fight corruption. the former world bank executive has also vowed to tackle sexual harassment. chavez resigned from the global lender after nearly 3 decades following allegations of sexual misconduct. b, u. s. foreign policy chief says the appointment of hong kong, new chief executive violates democratic norms. john lee was the only candidate in the secret ballot held by 1500 election committee more than 50 people have been killed in an attack by an armed group in democratic republic of congo. the attack happened at a camp for displaced people in the tory province. officials say the attack lasted several hours armed men of attack, the jail in western burkina, faso, freeing all 60 inmates security forces. se the group arrived in the town of nuno
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with automatic rifles and machine guns. the head. how and why did it become so obsessed? with this law, we were giving them a tool to hold corrupt individuals and human rights abusers accountable. they're gonna rip this deal at hard if they take the white house of 2025. what is the world hearing? what we're talking about, why american today we take on us politics and society, that's the bottom line. higher mark lamond hill in welcome to this special edition of up front, where we take a closer look at the flight of migrants and refugees around the world. coming up is the us remain in mexico policy sending some migrants back to their debts. and while the word refugee may evoke images of people fleeing war torn nations, many of force from their homes because of the increasing impact of climate change. ah, just months ago poland was refusing to allow refugees from the middle east,
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asia and africa into the country. instead, they were met with tear gas barbed wire and were stranded in freezing conditions on the border with bella bruce. last december, i challenged poland deputy minister of foreign affairs on his country's refugee policies. we are protecting the border of the european union. of course, those migrants who are invited by the lucas encourage you to come to by the route. they do have an option, of course, to cross the border to do that through the crossing points with the legal documents, without the visa or without any emission to get to the european union. it shouldn't be they shouldn't be allowed to cross the illegally. they do submit border, so those tool really want to go to the you. what they need to do is to get the document that get the visa or if there are seekers to apply and the special net procedure to meant to get that. so they're, they're all legal way to get to that, that you, these people are coming to the border. they are asylum seekers and they are
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literally being turned back. they are being denied access to pay even to the proper paperwork for asylum seeking according to reports on the ground. how is this not a contravention of international law? well, maybe 1st, we need to understand the nature of this, and the old peroration, bella, russian. both of those migrants invited by the us income received by by, by the leader of the russian state. the fact though invited those people promising them that they will be smuggled to the european union and using them as the instrument and his political operation against the you. you sanction mister lucas central does not acknowledge him the leader of the, of the country. so this is a kind of revenge where the people are fully instrumental. i them use off somehow
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bones or bullets in the hybrid operation. so we shall not accept the fact that the location because black mailing us with that kind of situation. but we want to help, of course, those who are already in this diary situation. that's why we try to send several human dive in convoys. we try to get into engage the international organizations in order to have that iowa you say that you're trying to help people right now at least 15 people have died. many people say that they've come to the border and been turned away. for example, a 35 year old man from the democratic republic of congo travel with his wife and 3 children. all of them were under 7 years old. and he said that his band was pushed back twice my polish border guards. the 2nd time he pleaded for asylum and they wouldn't listen. he said they told him there's no asylum, there's nothing. go back where you came from. it's hard to hear those type of stories. how do you respond? i do respond in such a manner, accepting dos,
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those thousands or hundreds of people. unfortunately, we could encourage older to be in this difficult situation because that is a way of doing money for us and causewell encourage and inviting people then encouraging them to grow, to cross the legal, you double the border without securing protecting the boat. it would be even more thousands or, or tens of thousands of possible net to migrant. but we cannot, we cannot accept all the people who just want to cross the border with an excuse us as i live speakers because in, in the vast majority. unfortunately, those are, those people are not as island secrets, just a regular migrants who was great to go to control. what basis do you say that they're not really asylum seekers? because the vast majority of those who are already crow successfully devoted refused to fill any documents blaming,
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but they want to get to germany to get them in other countries, germany or, or the netherlands, not in poland, poland for them, it's just the turn, the country, according to the international law, the 1st country, the 1st safe country, should be the place where they apply for a dialogue. and in this case, basically it should be bellows because bella route for them is the country where, where, where they decide to go. you mention international law, which is, which is interesting because the 1951 convention on that. as a refugee says that the contracting states, those who are signatories to this, shall not expel a refugee lawfully in their territory stable ground. the national security, a public order, the expulsion of such a refugee shall be only in pursuance of indecision reach, in accordance with due process of law. what's happening at the border is not due process of law. these people are being pushed away without due process. they're not being taken to an asylum process and often things not even access to paperwork to engage in the process. so even if you're correct that these people ultimately don't
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want of asylum in poland, who are we to know without going through the process? this is clearly against international law. what, how do you, how do you reconcile your position with poland, commitment to honoring international law, extensively. 30. first. this going to gun benson was signing the 951. i think that's the nominal of a weapon edition of migration. is relatively new to and this is the case which was not foreseen and said the convention. but 1st thing, the 2nd argument is that of course, the net food spots are not allowed when they're, when, when you are pushing back someone to the territory. and then she or his playing problem, i mean, and in this case those people are by their decision going to nobody force them to get them boards to go to meant to better for them. i can imagine. and then
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it's not that then jewish country, of course, by the rest of regime is very dangerous for the but as an opposition or the political activists. but not for those people. it's up to them whether they want to decide to go to this country or not. that was published, deputy minister of foreign affairs mar, changed dutch justifying his country's decision not to allow asylum seekers from middle east asia and african countries to cross the border from bella roost. but a few months later, poland doors withdrawn wide open to more than 2000000 people fleeing ukraine, creating a railway link to make it easier for you, cranium. asylum seekers to reach poland. so will russia's war and ukraine changed the way europe treats all refugees from now on. and what's behind this sudden shift to open borders? recently, i put those questions to officials from the united nations high commissioner for refugees and doctors without borders. and the one thing that is critical here, and there is, there is nothing positive that is coming out of this for. but i think one thing that we are focusing on is that this is an opportunity to shift this narrative to
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say that that if shared the responsibility of welcoming and supporting refugees is manageable, we are able to do this. european countries and international community overall is able to do this. the other thing that i've seen here and i was at the airway station today, here in budapest, and i saw 2 trains arrive filled with refugees from ukraine. and many of them were actually 3rd country nationals. so a lot of students from africa spoke to several from tons, from congo and from ethiopia. they also were saying, look right now ukraine is our home. we were, you know, one of them was just about 6 months away from graduating. so they're, they're really unsure whether or not they want to try to wait and see if they can go back and finish their studies. and i think what we've seen and hungry is that
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they are saying any one coming from ukraine right now, we consider fiji and they're being treated exactly the same. which as you say is, is something that we welcome china. there are many africans in south asians, currently living in ukraine who have faced significant delays or even been completely blocked from leaving the country for example. and that during national a father of 3 said he and his family were asked to give up their seats on a cross border bus, out of ukraine, with cranium military officers saying, no blacks allowed. can you speak about what black and brown residents are facing when they try to flee this war? i think in terms of you and hcr position, we've made it very clear. there can be no discrimination based on nationality, ethnic city or race. people that are fleeing from ukraine, regardless of their nationality or background,
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are fleeing the same conflict. and they deserve the same right to access asylum and to have have safety. that said, in terms of what's happening inside ukraine, it's very difficult for us to assess. we have, like you heard these incidents, seen these reports, and we followed up both inside ukraine and in the neighboring countries to, to work with the government to make sure that these are not policies. and that they are not going to be replicated. and so far we do have assurances on both sides that, that anyone who is trying to escape the war in ukraine will be allowed to do so, and will have safety and asylum on the other side in doctors without borders, doing anything to help these racialized refugees or for us, we treat people regardless of their race, ethnicity,
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or background. but what we're seeing more broadly in ukraine itself is a difficulty for population as a whole, to play, particularly for areas in the east where cities are becoming age and populations are struggling to move out. and oftentimes of the services that are being provided in the country around the ukraine, the population can be some of the most vulnerable. and we're trying as hard as we can to follow. and to look into this because it's, it's dreamily difficult at the moment door to track what happens to people once they cross the border. se, sending one today to reception centers before moving on site. this is early dice with k to very any need for more targeted response. it seems that the,
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you and hcr doctors without borders has effectively taken a color blind approach saying whoever you are, if you're a need, we're going to help. but if there is a, a disproportionate number of racialized people being mistreated, being pushed off of buses being denied access to refuge. might there be a need for these organizations to actually over correct for that by targeting these racialized groups nor indeed. so when we look at populations in a context, what we are looking at is what services are provided and who are the most vulnerable and we are in a similar position to, to china and you and hcr in a way that was we hear many of the reports and we hear it in the news in terms of what our teams are able to see right now. we're not actually able to say a systematic case of discrimination. however,
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given that it is so widely recorded, it is one of the things that we're looking at doing in terms of supporting because then that becomes an extremely marginalized population without the same access to the system. the others have china. we've also seen the media, including an audi 0 presenter come under fire for the way that they have described, ukrainian refugees compared to other asylum seekers. some of the worst examples include reporters and commentators saying things like ukraine, unlike iraq and afghanistan is civilized in that ukrainians have blue eyes and blonde hair. how do these dehumanizing descriptions affect how people not just you, but ultimately treat asylum seekers? absolutely. i'm actually glad you brought that up, mark, because i think the way that we talk about refugees in general across the media has its, become such a negative thing. refugee has become such
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a negative word. and yet, i think maybe the one thing that we're learning in this crisis is that absolutely anybody can become a refugee. and, and i have to say one of the journalists that i spoke to recently shed a similar thing. and i, i did ask him, so are you saying that if a refugee who looks like me or who looks like somebody from africa, are you saying that this is different? and, and i did, i think it's important that all of us actually face this. that was a conversation with china. williams and kate white on the double standards we're seeing play out in europe's treatment of migrants and refugees across the atlantic . another migrant crisis is unfolding on mexico's northern border under former president donald trump, the u. s. instituted a so called remain in mexico policy forcing those seeking asylum to wait in mexico while their claims were processed in the us. despite protests from human rights organizations, a court decision forced the by the administration to reinstate the policy while it
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seeks an appeal to end at once. and for all on a recent episode of upfront, i asked our guest whether resuming the remain in mexico policy would lead to abuses including killings, torture and rape. as predicted by some organizations, we've already seen it marco's, interviewed people on the border in when it was implemented during the trumpet ministration. i've been up there and talked to people in the one i, and much more to and see it out. what is we know this happens, there's over 600 documented cases, the people who came back who were assaulted or raped in mexico. there are people who have gone back to their home countries and been assassinated because that's why they left in the 1st place. they knew they were going to be assassinated and nobody seems to want to take responsibility for what happens to those people. mexico never had to said that that program. it's a violation of sovereignty because they're sending people who have legal processes in the united states. back to mexico, which mexico has no responsibility whatsoever to accept these people. you know,
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they're shuttling them all over the country with no real plan of what they can do to have a livelihood, to survive, to have a future. because these policies are completely shutting map. marco, the majority of asylum seekers crossing the u. s. southern border coming from honduras. and salvador, guatemala. you were just in honduras. in fact, what's your take on why people risk their lives to make this incredibly dangerous journey from to the us. from places like han doors, nobody migrates because they want to be good. you know, for pleasure. i mean, central american countries like what the lines have on our plan with you, which comes with organized crime, with corruption and not only god but what their minor child rather or are for example, among the 15 countries in the world most exposed to the pastors in november 2020 in
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what am i on doing that i will wear among the countries to be most severely impacted by the hurricanes it that new york that in what am i alone at 40 percent of assistance subsistence agriculture was affected in 80 percent of basic samples like, mays or beans were devastated. so these are countries that are under, under the terrible food insecurity and already high for years before so much are fleeing, you know, like almost circumstances that are impossible to bear like people cannot survive in their own countries. and that's why people embark in this, you know, almost impossible journey laura, earlier this year, the, by that ministration proposed a strategy to address the root causes of migration from guatemala, honduras in el salvador. that included $4000000000.00 in aid. us aid to these countries. is this any different from the progress we've heard in the past in the past? that's exactly the central point of follow up on what marco is saying,
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because unfortunately, it's not. and nobody like joe biden should know better than the fact that those kinds of proposals have failed in the past. because he was in charge of this really in charge of central american development and stabilization, during the obama administration. and what he didn't impose the war on drugs model of a put in the armed forces in the streets for public security tasks. impose kinda be ican nomic model based on for an investment and the construction of these big mega projects that actually does place indigenous especially indigenous and rural communities. and these are the be in the people who migrate. and so to have a new 4 year for $1000000000.00 program, that repeats the same, the same error is somewhat inconceivable. marco, how does security factor into dealing with the root causes of migration?
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the u. s. s. spent $3300000000.00 since 2007, assisting security forces with fighting criminal organizations and drug cartels in mexico, under what's known as the mitty, the initiative. but since that time, 150000 people have been killed due to organized criminal violence. the big number more when you factor in disappearances in depth of migrants. where's the money actually going well, these programs, i committed initiative and all the same programs at the house shined with with mexican central america are proving to fail because minutes arising boundary where there is no justice or access to justice or, or the rule of law. it's, it's just creating much more inadequate conditions for the grow of violence. and so what we need to see, it's an agreement that not only includes the ground investment, but true commitment from the us to control the flow of us guns. we need the us more
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invested in respecting the people's wheel when it comes to democratic elections. and when it comes to, you know, freedoms and rights for the termination. so there is no investment in, you know, in the economy or insecurity that it's going to be fruitful. as long as the u. s. is not supporting and respecting what communities, what families and communities of origin are the fighting for their own future. and as long as us guns continue to flow and traffic get into their countries. lar carlson, director of the american program, think tank and mark castillo codes negative director of international human rights organization. global exchange. we've talked about those who flee their homes to escape violence, but what happens when the threat is due to climate change? last november, we interviewed the united nations high commissioner for refugees, philipo bronte to discuss how the world will respond to the growing number of
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people who are being forced from their homes due to extreme heat. wildfires, drought floods, and other climate disasters. the clyde climate change, the climate emergency forces people to move. so there's an element of displacement or force displacement that is linked in many, sometimes complex ways to the big climate change process that we are witnessing a think of her it big flood or, or it big drought even her, those phenomena which are increasing with climate change they've always existed, but they're increasing. they're becoming more serious, more impactful with climate change. they force people to move sometimes suddenly, but it's really the combination of factors that makes this phenomenon complex and of great relevance to my organization. look in many places. climate change is
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depleting. resources is taking resources away from very poor communities and communities with less resources start fighting. this generates conflicts which generate displacement of a, of a type that is very, very germane to the work of my organization. these are fundamentally refugees, that flee also because of climate change. but not only because of that. one of the challenges is that there are no legal protections currently in place for people who are forced to leave their countries for climate change. that's because they don't fall under the definition of a refugee based on the u. n. 1951. conventional refugees. ah. yet estimate state. there could be between 25000000 to 1000000000 environmental refugees by the year 20 . 50. what is you and hcr doing to ensure that these people get rights and protections or well, you know, the,
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the issue of definitions is very complicated and we have to be careful in this world in which i am very offend. refugees are stigmatized. so i as the, the head of an organization that is the custodian of the basic refugee protection principle. have to be careful. we wouldn't see, you know, we don't use this definition that is sometimes used these days, climate refugees. but this is not to say that people that are moving because of climatic reasons do not have what we would call protection meets very similar to refugees. and sometimes actually they are refugees. as i said, because mixed with the causes of displacement is conflict. this discrimination is persecution and so forth. would they, nat, experience greater protection, know if they were considered to be climate refugees. could you explain sort of why they're not, and why they don't satisfy the conditions for being refugees simply based on being
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pushed out via the climate at look it's. it's also good when we talk about this to do a bit of a reality check. most people displaced for claim matic reasons are displaced actually within their countries. they're what we would call internally displaced people. and now like i said, also most of the people that 3 across borders. this other reasons that get in the mix. for example, war conflict into community clashes. so we can consider them breaking jesus those cases and all the protection applying to refugees apply in that sense. that was for liberal randi, of the you and hcr experts predict that by 2050 hundreds of millions of people will be forced to migrate due to the effects of climate change. so is the world ready to cope with this challenge? that will be one of the many questions and issues up for discussion on our next season of up front. but for now that's our show up front. we'll be back later this
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