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ah, i m f mad savage dean and you're in the stream today breaking up with the monarchy . we'll look at the reasons why some caribbean nations want to remove queen elizabeth as their head of state. ah, at least 6 former british colonies in the caribbean have in recent months declared their intention to abolish the monarchy. this year marks queen elizabeth platinum, jubilee or 70th year and power. and royal tours aimed at strengthening tides between the crown and former british colonies in the caribbean have appeared to do

the exact opposite with us to discuss these trends in kingston, jamaica, rosalie, rosalie, hamilton of advocates, network, jamaica, that's a group working to seek reparations and remove the monarchy has had a state in the country in london, so the much ug, balmy mo, lawyer activists, an author of the book. this is why i resist and in barbados, christiana hines, a senior lecture at the university of the west indies. and you, of course, can be part of this conversation live on youtube are stream producers are waiting to include your comments and questions right here directly to our guests. christina, i want to start by asking you about barbados. i mean, why take this giant step and what did they gain and why this trend really across the caribbean? i think it's long overdue. so my question would be, why not in barbados it, this is something that has been discussed since in 1990. there was

a constitutional review commission that brought this and it should have really happened since 2005, 2006 when a referendum was supposed to have been held. but it never did for political reasons . and i guess this current government took the very bold step of making this a reality. and i think this is quite possible in barbados because this is one of the few countries and the commonwealth caribbean that does not require a referendum to make this change. and what did they gain in your minds? i think we gained a lot symbolically being there on that night that you are showing now. it was really quite moving. i don't know that we've gained a lot in terms of substance or additional powers because we were already independent, but symbolically. it has been very important to my mind to break this colonial connection. right. and when we talk about that colonial connection, i do want to talk more about the legacy of colonialism. not just in barbados,

but across the caribbean. i what it represents, what it means, how it still plays out and actually affects people ah, with that in mind. so law, you know, we can't avoid seemingly the elephant in the room. it seems that the queen's jubilee kind of exposed a bit of ignorance if you will, on the monarchy is part. as we are lined, you know, a lot of caribbean leaders and seem to successively call for slavery reparations and independence. ah, ah, you're in the england. how is this being discussed there? so 1st of all, ignorant. now that's an understatement. i think they, without a doubt the royal tours to celebrate of the queen's platinum jubilee across the caribbean nations just really demonstrated a royal family, a monarchy i so out of touch day, so desperate to stay back in the day. no. recognizing that no, that doesn't, that is not going to continue. and i need you to understand that when we talk about

colon allison, when we talk about the queen as head of state, all of these countries following did the colonization of these countries. the reason why the commonwealth was created was simply to extend the that seemed bala. so off the queen still being head of state, asked all the british empire still exist. now i can understand why some count countries at the time thought all they'll be some, or the del for these perceived perceived notion of wealth or connection that come from being part of the commonwealth. but the reality is that there is nothing common about the common health, well eat it very inequality. that is countries quite frankly, want it to be the colonized from right ends, rosalie, what do you make of that? i mean, we're seeing some of those images of, you know, the duke and duchess of cambridge are on one of their trips. i, you know, i want to draw your attention before i ask you,

your thoughts on kind of how shola frame this on this, this photo. one of the photos that has been kind of criticized as being tone deaf. um, they're shaking hands with children through a wire fence. this isn't in your home country of jamaica or what is this signify to us about this moment? i'm and why do you think we're seeing this trend emerge? i think we use the term torn day. it is, it was an embarrassing moment because. busy that's not the kind of relationship that we expect in the modern world. ah, we have been independent on 60 years. in fact, we're celebrating us here in august and ice in the advocates network was not only to bring their attention to the royals that we have nothing to celebrate up to 70 years. i'm with respect to the relationship with britain and

they are resistance to upset crimes against humanity that has taken place and to begin a process over character justice and data. so low, low, low cry across the region. the country so set up reparation commissions of the rastafarian communities for decades. i'll be talking about repatriation. i mean, this is a long standing issue. and so for them to think about in the context of calling it, i mean, we're still in the throes of a corporate pandemic. right. and that they could come in to the region and seeing that we would simply behave as if we're in the 1950 is really colonial iraq. and you know, be upset all this imperial. ah, you know, you know, it here isn't. she just didn't have. yeah. and go ahead, so please, yes, go ahead. that it is out to

a rosella. rosalie said it is the point that the way some british people perceive what is going on and where they have interpreted it. and the way they talk about it, it's almost as though how dare you caribbean nations, not be grateful to the queen, who has been the head and such symbol of statesmanship and be the head of the commonwealth. and it's clear that their understanding of the come will, is it's an extension of the british empire. it is, it is also clear that their understanding is the queen doesn't need to do anything, just be grateful. and people cannot seem to understand that, i'm sure, without a doubt in my mind. yeah, that one of the, since that the queen is be removed as head estate is because she's done absolutely nothing. while these countries, i mean, how can these countries and the citizens of this country's be her subjects, but require visa to come here? so you whoops, the club in the content. you raise some really important questions and it makes one wonder, you know, if there is really an awareness or

a consciousness of the perception of this relationship who's benefiting, who is not one person in the united kingdom who sent us a video common. emily marshall. i has an interesting take about what the monarchies role should be in all of this at this point. take a listen in recent months, 6 have been nations, how to kind of intent, removing a queen as the head of states. they've been inspired to do so by barbados, and the recent royal visit to the caribbean by kate and william did little to improve the image of them on a t a brought. there's a little that the british monarchy can do about this situation. i'll have been to help facilitate the process to make it as smooth as possible, is clear that several of these nations filled out the link with the british money key is something which is outdated and also links some strongly to the colonial past, which they now wish to be untethered from christina, is there an awareness,

i mean, when you hear that common and some of what's been said already in the show, i mean, is there an awareness of the role of kind of colonialism and kind of the harm that it caused? not just historically, but how that continues to play out today. i don't think there is sufficient awareness. i'm definitely outside of the caribbean, perhaps also inside of the caribbean. so if you consider the fact that we are a region of developing countries, this is no accident. this has to do with the way in which we were located as sites of extraction and systems of empire. we had everything extracted labor, human labor ought to lation, where a terminated in this process. so this is a very damaging and harmful process in which everything that we did in the region was really externally oriented toward serving empire. and we do not gain sufficient credit in the caribbean. we're having built britain so that it can be called great

britain on the basis of exploitation to the point where we heard about the, you know, the queen and what the queen can do. i think she'll have mentioned what the queen can. i don't know what the queen can do for barbados, for jamaica, for even breton. what does the clean actually do? i mean, these roles are very symbolic, right? so in terms of what the british monarchy is actually doing to elevate the, the living conditions of people across the region and even in britain is, you know, up for debate. i don't think that there is a whole lot that is, is done apart from you know, having this thing that is nice. i have a queen, right. i see sure. you want to jump in. there. she was cheering, essentially a cheerleader. as you are speaking out of the loop, and i appreciate that energy shall i do on that. i do want to quickly ask you though, before i come to you because, you know, you used an interesting and i think a very critical word extract. you know, this extractive sort of history, if you will, extracting sugar of from forbidding other businesses from, you know,

competing on the ground. obviously, the economic consequences of white supremacy of colonialism, of whatever you want to call it shola. how does that still factor into this decision? on what i mean by that is what can repair it of justice actually look like. is it realistic? it is absolutely realistic. let 1st of all, please understand that the extraction and exploitation of the caribbean countries. exactly what he did with colonized african nations. and i mean, to christina's point, this is why in great britain today or less just a britain in britain today, you will find that the conversation is still around. oh, if it wasn't for russ this small island, none of you would be without recognizing that image was not for us. the black nations and the black people on whose shoulders, whose blood and whose sweat. right, you're a car was built on right. you would not be great and you'd have nothing. but let me

quickly touch on this point about what the queen can do it. the queen really wants to lead a legacy that's substantive. her legacy is not being the head of the commonwealth because she was on the head of the commonwealth. you to carry on the symbolism of, or disco, some kind of epa, her legacy would be to really address the issue of, of truth, right? we know what the go daddy. yeah, there were records the edge it and it won't just it, you know, want to start with an apology. right. rosalie, go on to presentation that meet both sides. talk about how this is going to resolve an apology, right? people, i'm and, and i, and this wrapper is what it said. it's a good point. we can, we can talk about operations without an apology or at least an acknowledgement of the history and that relationship. we have a lot of people are rosalie in our youtube channel. timing in the seems like a conversation, a lot of people are quite passionate about. we have one common, i'm gonna read to. this is quite interesting. from burgundy, mo, saying one can be blind to the fact that the empire hasn't paid back. it's dues.

there is no need for an absent head of state who will not listen to the cries of reparations and repatriation. ah, there's a lot of different comments. i'm going to leave them for now because rosalie, i want to hear from you on this notion. a lot of people say it's too late. you know, it's too long ago so much has changed, or, in fact, the government has responded formally, i've heard and read. you know, kind of deflecting saying, let us focus on the present and the future. i'm a lot of people talk about wave owners being paid as, you know, being paid by the government as recently as 2015. is that true? and could you just deconstruct that for us? why is that an hours generally for reparations? i fill it out when it's too late. um, you know, the u. n. has recognized what has happened as crimes against humanity. and there's no limitation as to when we address those grounds. that's

a 1st point that needs to be made with respect to the idea that these crimes have been committed. and in spite of respiration plan that has been on the table for some time in the region, the current home 10 point plan that has lead old approach to rhetoricians. in spite of all of the advocacy around this issue, there has been silence with respect to taking this step. and i think the biases of caribbean people will only get no, it's not. i think there's an important thing to remember about us ever since this process started on the continent of africa. we have been reduced in an, you know, we've resisted, we fall battles on the continent. on the, on the did transatlantic journey, there was resistance. and for the 400 years on the plan is there's been a be systems. so this resistance is not new. it's tina different from all right,

frank generations. but it's one story and that we need to settle this matter. we have to put the beginning a process of leading our people up and end in the colonial area, and for as much as player, let's go christina. and then wanted to say, while though that as much as this was a long time ago, the wealth continues to exist, it persists in specific families. we can even see some of the political leadership, former in britain, and perhaps present as well, having benefited from this legacy of persons being paid out for freeing slaves. great their property. these are human beings. so this wealth continues to exist in the financial system and the banking sector in some universities. so as much as this was a long time ago, the legacy of the wealth that was created persists and exists. and the

impoverishment that was created also persist. yeah, and you know, when it comes to christina's point, the reason there was no visit by the 2nd in the 2nd royal isn't to grenada. yeah. is that the who are able to link the ownership? oh, i 100 in slave africans by. wow. being done. and that was revealed only recently that awareness of this history is growing. yes. in fact, right up to 2015. the banker in continued to p. renovations to be in flavor. and i'm passing right. i'm on. i've settled that in 20. 22 is our claim. persons of the descendants of those who have been in sleep right now, right now, i want to come to your cell number before i do, i wanna play you a video that we saw. it's quite shocking to me, at least the prime minister of antigua and barbara guston brown asking prince

edward and sophie on a trip that they took, of course to use their influence in the royal family to achieve a repair, repre tory justice for his country. and the people, his response says a lot take a listen because the reality is em, we have been really left and the rest of important institutions such as universities and good medical facilities. i mean, we have been able to build capacity. but again, we have to acknowledge the fact that we have been left behind as result of the situation associated with colonialism and slavery. and that is some need for some preparations to help us to build capacity so that we can advance at a fast to read. thank you. by mr. thank you for those that is remote, i wasn't keeping nights. i'm not going to give you a complete repulse, but thank you for your welcome today. and it's a great pleasure to be back in until you get a shola. he wasn't keeping notes,

i would imagine suggest that he's not gonna address that issue or use his influence, you know, as a member of the royal family, what's been the response there in the u. k, from the royal family, from the monarchy and also just citizens. the co cast city o griggs and it operates. ed, what should i say is why we still exist right now. and the, the which ones pharma, whether it's a british got bed, the royal family or section of the british public is quite frankly reflected in his, his mannerism and in what he said are you, we don't need to take you seriously. and people need to understand, please stop saying that up a long time ago, it happened a long time ago. i'm sorry. why is it still racial discrimination between black and white egypt? why is it still racial discrimination, inequality between black and white people? why is this still undeniable, visible, absolute in, i mean, the grown kind of evil that you can even start to talk about the habits of black

people to, to day. the reason why a lot of that get on the british family and the government don't want to address this issue is because it steeped in systemic racism condenses at the what am i sure? sure. could you league, shall i, when i, when i wanna prove challenge you just to explain to our view viewers. i mean we, we all are familiar with the racism and how and or i would hope at this point, we're all familiar with how, how is systemic korean and kind of entrenched and, and try and racism is. but what is this about borrowing money, the u. k. government, after abolishing slavery to issue government bonds and that this, the last of some of those payments are to, to the families, are descendants of slave owners or was at 2015. why is this her relevant point? oh, it is a very good point that it is a relevant point because it goes to the substance of the a commitment talk, holding white supremacy. it goes to the substance of their commitment to seeing black people as, as property, by the time when they paid it,

these are slave owners. it was to be seen to be doing the right thing. right? yeah. but as you know, the and history assured us all they did, and i keep telling people this, please, when people can say, oh, the british came and ended slavery. i go know, let me tell you what he did. they went from slavery, of, of, of millions of people, individual people, to enslaving. and ty at nations, a 1000000 because that so called that is it. so social are what i, what i have is in the you too, bye chat box. we have a comment from bungie any more, you're saying generational wealth is something that most black people in the caribbean can never benefit from a fund for future generations perhaps. can ease this hurt with that in mind, rosalie, i wanna kind of ask you, are, are, are there things that the jamaican people maybe are only learning now in its entirety? that is, that is helping to push this. because obviously, if it's, it's challenging to be completely independent. some people in our youtube chat

asking for example, king curds eggs saying if these countries leave the commonwealth, will they not lose their aid from the u. k. when natural disasters happen, our social is shola reacting a resistance, rosalie, is that true? let you know like, so laughable. well, you know, i, i, oh god, i don't want to go on. i think this issue of it is, is, is something else. it's a whole another conversation shaka, the issue is there are inter arrangements given and history being there will be here is that we have the thing to remember with respect to it. there are other countries in the world that have never instantly understand colonized those who are even providing eat, so we can put it in perspective, right? we're talking about our process that continues to be 2 institutions and decisions that are okay to it in by many also will simply walk into the shoes of these

colonial leaders and colonial process. and any, no, we still have to grapple with all full time. so she and she's an intervention. that's necessarily why is the start pass that speaks a bit, assets. yeah, i mean, accumulated some of us haven't, some of those are not right. some land, some did not somehow inter, if you show so did not. and then there's a book it you with shon, oh these in right. you shall arrangements on decisions that continue to today. here we have the ball is and i now want to go to christina because i want you to tackle a comment that we have from a richard fits williams. he sent us this about kind of the relevancy of the monarchy amidst all of this, you know, after the black lives matter movement, a lot of conversation, public discourse about the colonization, what it is, how it still affects entire populations today. take a listen. the queen was legacy for 1st they b fs. of someone who is totally dedicated to the job

has handled it absolutely brilliantly over the years is the world's best known and most traveled head of state considering that their ups and downs in every institution at the moment. even though it is the end of the queen's pattern of you believe it's a very difficult period for the monarchy, but on the other hand, it's long lasting and it adapts and it shows an ability to reinvent itself. i. i found it very, a obfuscating to that, but i didn't understand. but what do you make of that kind of argument there, chris, christine you. i think some don't. and mom human is, it's just a way of justifying an institution that exists that is not relevant. and that is also not willing to reckon with its past tense, can await him in writing whoever wrongs a change and change its relevancy or the future of the british monarchy. or do you

think it's a lost cause at this point? i think it is an irrelevant institution. i truly believe this and not just for the caribbean, not just for africa, for india, but for britain itself. it is an institution that no longer serves any one. the only people that it rarely served were those with in the british monarchy inside of britain itself. it is the prime minister and the cabinet that make the decisions about what happens in that country. and this is an institution that is, is striving for relevance in a time when it is increasingly irrelevant. and we see this if we look at, i don't want to so much talk about the caribbean. i want want britain to talk about itself as well. so what is it that you are hanging on to and holding on to all of these people on the balcony? you know, what is it that they are offering you? and the last thing i want to say to what the commonwealth is that these countries remain in the commonwealth. yeah. what is a club? i gotta, i gotta, i'm sorry more inherently,

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