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how they're going to continue covering while it's being safe or the family going to allow them to keep bill in place. it shock. so it's clear to you and some people ability to do their job because be like, you know, you can be gone just like again give me a job. they are not far from the scores of them when they are recorded being they are part of the story. this is the pain just about the people they know about the future of their own people. so it's hard me to thank you very much. indeed, it is all 500 gmc, you're watching ology 0. for those of you just joining us, we're bringing you some breaking news and i'll just hear correspondent as being killed after being shot during and as re,
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arrayed by is really forces in jeanine. in the west bank, shifting claim has been working and part of sanctions. a veteran correspondence there our agency report suggesting that and another journalist, a palestinian journalist, working for the jerusalem based all could newspaper was also wounded. he is said to be in a stable condition. we are talking to our correspondent need abraham, who has worked closely with shooting laughlin, who has been said to have been shot in the face and died soon afterwards. after being injured. need to talk to us about the kind of circumstances under which palestinian journalists work in that region. i was kind of protections there are available to journalists who cover this story. there is listed as any protection when it comes to jamie, what they have is better gear. but one of the big do the extent of city being
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injured is that she was wearing her best. so some of them are waiting bit protective gears. but still you can be shot, she can be, remember, the bullet hit her and the joining the stylish mode in jeanine, both like munitions. so this is something that often palestinians can kind of sit in georgia. this can, i would have to go through that. there is like will it, that there is sometimes to gas. sometimes the quoted still going to that also is the many journalists would show you plagiarism there by the way, they've been hit by it. so for per journalist here, they don't feel or believe that just because they marked press their faith. anita just before we came on, said on air at all,
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500 g m t you were talking about the fact that you have just received a statement. i think from the israeli army, which suggested some indication of some suspicion about where the shot may have come from. can you just tell us again what information you have it's hard to know what has been happening in judy. but what we know that the palestinian that we know that there are on the engine mean fighting these forces. and it's really, i mean the weapons. but this is a statement that we perceive from playing, looking and investigating the story that they believe that the fire might just come from the palestinian side. yet to confirm what has been happening. but the village here among the. ringback
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journalists batch it in, has been killed by israelis for fire in terms of accountability, we've been talking about less than the last half hour. there. i get the impression from what you've been telling us that there is a certain amount of concern over 500 over the ultimate thing further. no, anybody will be held accountable for this. simply going on the basis of evidence from situations that have happened before that depending on the type and length of investigations that are carried out, there's never a guarantee that somebody, whoever it was may be held ultimately accountable for this. and it was seen when that it was trials for nothing. fortunately, unfortunately we have lost our feed too. i need a ibrahim at the moment. we can however, go back to stephanie decker, who is our correspondent in western luisel. and stephanie has been covering this
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region for nearly 16 years. and so stephanie, this is clearly as we know, a blog and not just the teams from al jazeera but clearly to palestinian genesis journalists covering the situation in the region and talk us through for viewers who are just joining us, the kind of circumstances that journalists find themselves under when they're dealing with this situation. yes, let me just hold on. i just had mimi r produce to send me through the israeli army statement on my phone. let me just give it a quick scan. absolutely. they're saying the last few hours the army conducted the rate on the janine refugee camp during the effort. massive fire was short towards the journey forces by tons of arm credit union gunman, explosives were held towards soldiers, responded with fire hits are identified, idea investigation, best to you. the possibility that the journalists were hit by government. so this
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is in line and you just told you so that the 1st official reaction from the trading military is that there was a heavy exchange of gunfire with gunman in the camp as ready army was carrying out a raid and it is now indicating that it says it believes that potentially the journalist should or a hit by government hartney out there. say that to journalists are quite sure that they were hit by israeli army. again, i've been saying, we don't know the details at me to understand that. and we know that these kinds of rates in that you need refugee camp because the men are armed, can be extremely dangerous. going back to your question about, you know, how we operate. again, you know, everything has been measured risk. this is
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a story that we know well, you know my palate colleagues, they live here. this is their live video streaming while i've been coming here for 16 years. i know it relatively pretty well as well these days. you know, there is a language on the ground, you know how the army operates, you know how to stay away from certain places. but again, you know, everything is a risk, things change in a 2nd and this is the thing. everything is fine until it's not. this is just how, how things up, you know, how things are and, and that's the thing. you don't have immunity. if you were a press test, quite the opposite from you know, you become active target because often, you know, the army or whatever. no, they don't want you documenting thing. they don't want you there. so you're often actively targeted with tear gas with some grenades with drones when it comes to these kinds of confrontations. you know, again, the exact details of what happened here in your engineer this morning at doing what happened to surely it's,
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it's being investigated. but clearly we know the fact that there was an exchange of gunfire. this has been reported there video of it, but, but nothing is clear but it is, you know, it's an unnecessary and tragic dash. i think everyone has it, hasn't, it hasn't told you down yet. stephanie, for viewers who are just joining us, bring us up to date with the kind of situation that's been going on in janine, but also across other parts of the, of the area. well you've, you've had it particularly in the occupied west bank. you've had, let's say since april you've had a very 6 or 7 attacks inside israel carried out by palestinian individuals. is really armina already established has claimed some of those on individuals who have come from jeanine and the occupied with bang from jeanine
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refugee camp. specifically, this is a refugee camp where you do have a higher concentration of armed men. and again, you know, this is a story where in the west you, you don't have a lot of weapons. it's not something that is very common. but particularly in this camp, that is a reality. so you've tried the army, clamping down. not so much in the last couple of weeks, but before that, raised on the camp, confrontations are rustic men polishing. call this collective punishment. you also have, you know, in light of that context, the, the radio security establishment, the internal security establishment saying that a lot of these attacks were carried out by individuals not particularly backed by the faction. even though you will have the factions like him as soon as i'm a, she had a poor the sometimes claim responsibility retroactively. even though you know the message from the radio is that it, these attacks are far harder to,
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to stop and control because they do seem to be carried out by individuals. so what you've been seen happening over the last, let's say to month on and off is a targeted raise of these areas. the last attack we had last thursday was in a loud in central israel. you had 2 men from the occupied with bank village called 2 men, which is close very close to me. they entered israel and they used an axe to kill 3 is reina. they have been arrested up to 3. they've been hunt. but the security establishment here has been talking and we know for the last couple of days about renewed raid either on jeanine and also talk about, you know, potentially an operation in gaza because you've also had increased rhetoric you have yeah. have since you is a massive leader in gaza in the last, he gave a speech about 10 days ago where he, you know, again it's,
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this story has so many moving elements to it, but you have increased tension because what's been happening at the compound with the increased entry of ultra nationalists, jewish groups calling for the right to prayer on the compound. this is strictly forbidden, only muslims pray at the compound, non muslims visit. this is agreed under a long agreed status quo. i don't want to go into the complications, but this is the essence of a lot of what's happening here and to go back to sin. why does the leader, how much leader he said, and this even yesterday was tweeted by use really government sound bite of his sin, where, where he said to resist, what is happening? luck, individual should take got, if you don't have a gun, take up an ax take up a knife and resist. so these really media and these are the government linking what he said to the attack that you saw in
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a lot last thursday because it acts with you. so this is the atmosphere of what is happening here. so you have increased rhetoric from hamas in gaza. you have increased rhetoric some these radio saying this continues, we're going to start targeting leaders. you have the faction saying if that happens, we are ready. so all of this and again, like we have like rhetoric, this is something that happens here between the lines. it doesn't always mean that things translate to the ground, but you have now a situation where things are, it's fair to say, i'm predictable. we. we discussed things with our team. we've been here for years. often things look worse to those who don't know the ground like we do, but things are predictable right now. we know that even the most compound issue, the status quo issue, which again the nature of these visits you have known this is are allowed to enter the compound during the week into slots 3 hours during the morning,
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one hour during the optimum. so what policy will say there is no issue with with anyone, christians, jews, whoever attempt to enter the compound for the compound to look at it. but what's been happening, what's been changing over the last couple of years is the nature of the visits with the, you know, ultra nationalist, jewish group that hugely provocative to probably speak if they are trying to pray. they actively pray all. besides, the israeli escorts often turn a blind eye, you have members of government to who will actively support the right to jewish prayer on the compound. now, the most compound is a red line in the sense of it has the capacity. it is such a trigger point, it is the only thing really in this bigger story that has the capability to bring tens of thousands of people onto the street. so you have also had diplomatic efforts to try and calm situation. tell israel the status quo is something you know need to look at. israel has said consecutive government every government that it
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has no intention of changing this like that. jews are not allowed to pray on the site. but also interestingly, you will have so much in the us on friday between king of gala of jordan. and again, jordan is the custodian of the compound. i'm of us president biden. this will be address. so we're now seeing this issue being addressed at a higher level because be aware of this has happened even though this is been happening for years. and it's becoming a major issue. and it could be a major trigger point. and like many palace names will tell you, this conflict story has been about land, but what this is doing, which it has the danger of doing is turning it into a religious conflict, which has never been. so why this is very complicated. well, but these are all elements that feed into what you are seeing happening on the ground. stephanie, thank you very much indeed to stay with us for the moment for the people who are just joining us here on our 0. we're bringing some breaking news out of the west
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bank. the palestinian health ministry is saying that the journalist for all the all just the network has been killed by gunfire early, widens day in the occupied westbank shooting blocks. and you can see pictures of her on your screen is that have been shot in the face and died soon afterwards. according to the ministry, another palestinian journalist working for the jerusalem base, our quotes newspaper was also wounded. he is said to be in a stable condition. the shooting happened during an israeli army, arrayed in geneva town in northern wes, buying to be israeli military has released a statement suggesting that the gunfire may have come from armed palestinian gunman . b, palestinian authorities are however, suggesting the israeli military may have been responsible. i want to bring in monia know c o, bob, he's a human rights lawyer, he's a professor of international love. so thank you very much indeed for joining us. he's joining us now from occupied easter gruesome. one of the points that has been
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raised by both our correspondence, neither ibrahim and stephanie decker, the questions over the subsequent investigation into what happened, and some doubts about whether or not the investigation will actually lead to accountability. can you give us your take on what may happen after this and whether or not indeed it will get to some sort of resolution. yes, let me say express my condolences too as a 0 and a sign on to every feet on a list for the loss of city. not broccoli. she's a journalist who, you know, every, you know, everybody who follows as a 0 and for us media has known for several years and it's us, it talk to learn of how to be part of it this way. and it's very sad. and it got your question and unfortunately over the past,
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the kids we've learned that the israeli investigations on or on such acts targeted killings or whatever they might put mistakes have never been serious or a human rights organizations, for example, like a human rights. so can i say that decided that a long time ago that they are no longer going to even interact with the complaint system within that israeli army? because it is not serious, it doesn't find it soldiers guilty and it doesn't hold anybody accountable. at the end of the day, and in addition to that, there is a law has a given the space to the is that in the state,
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that is the army to not be obliged to compensate even for losses good at best. and the victims and operations that take place in the back. so it's, it's very sad. we are dealing with a system that has been described by a number of human rights organizations as an apartheid system. a system that continuously abuses human rights in order to sustain a continuous domination on the palestinian people. and these human rights do that's and the effect different types of people are getting journalists is certainly not. and you have seen it very frequently. and a lot of the most, for example, in general, send him over the past a couple of months. and we've seen the thought of getting of journalists, those who are even very well known by the israeli police forces present in the most
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. one of them is, for example, the anomaly have the who is it works at the law some most. he is a photographer and alexa morse, and who documents events that are on a daily basis. it's very well known, his arm was broken and he was beaten. more than once, within a few actually and, and, and that's why, unfortunately, it's not surprising that an event like that is happening despite of course, the stroke of learning about the business. and, but, but it's not surprising and i do not expect accountability. this is an alias, but what i do expect is that the world shouldn't that have been, you know, let me just ask you because the situation has only happened in the last couple of hours. and the details are still very sketchy. and the initial suggestion was that
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this was the responsibility of the israeli military. however, it is now being suggested by the israeli military that because this happened in the midst of a gung fight in jennine, that armed palestinian groups armed castilian gunman could have been responsible for this. is there any incentive for a v r initiative? i should say for the palestinian authority, for example, to carry out its own investigation. if indeed it is possible that palestinian gunman may have played a role in this. yeah of course that's a responsibility of the for the city and a sort of in the west bank. if there is any doubt that there was any palestinian who was in charge of the killing of city and i blocked. send them to put us in, you know, to conduct investigation. not only this, in fact, the benefit in authority must conduct an investigation in all cases. and the
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killing happened on that. there are 3 of the city of time. the state of palestine is and prohibits were crimes and the thought of getting their journalists civilians in general, but just out of space and pick that group. is it what crime if, if a city and a blocker, then you know this, but a city has committed that. what grad matrix is an 80? that is a little bit to work on. but this side is a member of the international criminal court, and the national committee court has jurisdiction over through the state of palestine and needs information about who is committing what crimes. and they'll could by that it got a little who is that better? now you asking about incentives, i wouldn't think of any incentive of, of going to spinney and can have it on a selection of it. and it hasn't been used to what is the best of my knowledge that a list to our company in the field. i've got to get it by, by,
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but it's to the gunman and fight there. so this is not something that i've hit before. however, if there is any doubt that it was, but it's vivian and as you said, i mean the news of this and i just have that in now and i have that i woke up actually and i know that i know the things i don't have the does i haven't examined the facts yet, so i, i wouldn't, i wouldn't be able to suggest how this happened. but certainly an investigation from both authorities from your patient is a local vision, should be conducted from police to me for money. i'm just about to start. i'm going to interrupt you there, forgive me. i want to go to, but please stay with us. i want to go to most of the hotel. he's the secretary general of the palestinian national initiative. he's joining us via skype from ramallah. so thank you very much indeed. for being with us the circumstances are, as we were saying,
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extremely vague at the moment with regard to this shooting. there is a suggestion by the israeli military, the palestinian gunman may be held responsible for this. we don't know, we can't obviously establish the background to what happened. what is going to be the palestinian reaction in the event that it is discovered. there is a possibility that palestinian government may have been involved in this will have our condolences to the family listed. you know, has always been fantastic, corresponds and journalists and i would call it was, she's the market she, dr. goal is to present objectively the reality. and i was fine. our condolences also because she was the correspondent unit tv. but to be honest with you, and i hope you will excuse me for saying that, i don't think that coverage is really being object. i think you are buying the
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story too much and there's really no absolute hit on here. we know that we know the fax number where we should, you know, she didn't like they will mark unless she let us press. she could either do the car will you will mark. they just would, you knew which was being invaded at the same time by that. i mean there was no exchange or via. so there is no possibility whatsoever. they should, they always use these excuses to cover up the crime committed against a good post in your journalists and the other gentleman there was also shopped in to see him and said by the army and all indications that shooting was helped by his fish and death to cover the israeli envision camp. the question is a context in which things have happened. the context is that we are okay bye bye
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bye and this. this is not a conflict between what type we are pied by his bill, which is what you find invading, impatient, like you, and committing good that have been crimes. they have could. so $550.00 in the beginning of this year. some of them were civilians like i was a mother of 6 children and was almost completely blind when she, when she was shot, to die on the ground. leaving foot that we don't really distributions. this is all come up approach to cover that reality here, which is not a crime has been committed against union journalist for no reason whatsoever. and let me say that we only live in a system of your patients. we also live in a system of the worst type type according to national. i'm human rights, which so there is no way you can quit between palestinians and israelis,
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and nobody should allow the israeli to cover up this crime. actually this would be not only for killing city, but also one of the other. again, they have one of my colleagues was provide jobs and she was 3 people when she was shocked by me in the house. and there is not and yet no investigation to live. i might be similar to tuition in 1996 when i was on my lot while i was in big and i was struck by my life in my back and nothing happened. no investigation. nobody was held accountable and that's happening still constantly and this is happening to the interrupt. so this is happening at the time. of course we were talking about
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of increased tension. this is happening for been happening for several weeks. there have been killings and attacks on both sides. when we have seen situations where people have died in this conflict and hadn't, which has been going on for so long. there has been an almost automatic upsurge in intention which has led to in many cases to violence. how do you think the, what do you think the reaction is going to be in jenny, particularly to this particular event? when i have a problem with the question, because you say a conflict and violence, the 2 side fighting with each other and equal but not the truth. the truth is that the tension and the problem and any violence that takes place is happening because of $74.00 you of is an ethnic cleansing. ready of the people it is happening
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because of 54 years of military. your patient bank is to get long does your patient and mother misty it is happening because they did a system of oppression type practice against palestinian people. when it comes to graham, there was community national, envision to happen, and patients who and that's why 6000 units of act sometime soon as we're committed against russia. what kind of sanction was done for over the last 40 is none. this is hypocrisy. and this just double standard would not be allowed to continue. the reason he had a problem and the only solution is to mention the only solution is to be both and now with you need. yes it was he brawn did before. it was, you know, it's constant. is there any question and suppression of the people?
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this is not what i see. this is what human rights watch these. this is what the national see. the objective constantly for the last 40 years to 2 types of crimes against humanity, crimes against humanity, which is distribution and suppression, as well as just discrimination without ending the patient and in the system. of course, we will run from one to another and this is not equal site. this is a student, but ations occupation if you grantley and patient widely used by an kennedy. that is this you referred to the importance of having on biased coverage, balanced coverage of what is going on in the region. and it is clearly everybody understands a very,
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very complex situation. is there anything that the palestinian authorities are able to do to try to give some sort of protection to journalists who are attempting to do exactly what you want, which is to provide that unbiased coverage. busy or is there an extent to which journalists are have to be left on their own? what do you expect the palestinian authority to arrest journalists and prevent them from doing their job? the festival and the palestinian. it is not in charge. the palestinian authority is not in charge of jean area on the israeli armies. invading practically, the palestinian authority is like all of us, although it has no authority whatsoever. it really does not control any area because those are a lot we can in did.
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