good, good, well, has been so much and i will decide, we remember the none of them i decided sanctions on the international criminal court, specifically because of investigations in there regarding by the state as well as afghanistan. you know that a u. s. grams enough where it is down. and so i hope that this will not better am. this is just the system. i know that this quote from continuing air on palestine 1000000 is about thank you very much. indeed for joining us. munoz was a human rights lawyer and the professor of international law at all codes university. while the media organization, reporters without borders, has palestinian journalists experienced major difficulties doing their jobs. while israeli medium enjoy real freedoms and says that have been several surges of violence against palestinian journalists in recent years. that includes israel's

military offensive and the gaza strip and may last year. others have been targeted during tensions linked to the month of ramadan. and the i'll ock some mosque compound. the organization says at least a $140.00 for palestinian journalists, have been at the receiving end of live, runs robber bullets, stun graves or tear gas fired by israeli soldiers or police. that's during the past 4 years of the protest known as the great march of return in the gaza strip. the occupied west bank and east jerusalem. no palestinian or mohammed douglas joining us. no. vi escaped from occupied east jerusalem. so thank you very much indeed for being with us. and what is your interpretation of the type of investigation that might be held following this incident, do you have any confidence that there will be a result? let me start by saying that this is really a very,

very that they in palestine and it should be in the block. it was only a correspondence. she was the face of the senior people, senior goes to the international community and bailey, to the board for dictates. now she has been risking her life for so many years because the truth about what's happening to sign and to show that process is leo completion. the ongoing occupation to palestine and then use from today are not only awful, but they are showing that there is an intention to silence the rules that was coming from the voice you know, are clear to the world. and this makes us all lead me very, very sad, no shipping personality. i've seen her follow her and she wants to come voice. that was big and was telling the truth,

what's happening on the ground throughout the last years, she was in a response everywhere trying to show to the world that this occupation is actually that her, it says and that this occupation should end. and that justice should be done and restored to the 15 people, something that i'm almost sure it's not going to happen soon. and is that going to happen even with regard to the case of that should be a bar please. i have no confidence whatsoever in the legal system as far as investigating the killing opal opinion in general or the killing now of a block for them. shooting is one more policy and they might, they might decide to show to the world that they are working hard,

have done in any other cases of killing him because of attention. and because of the high profile, surely. but eventually nothing will happen. i experience our experience with a really good system. these are, these are killing filipino since the occupation and mainly in the lab. in recent years, i've shown that that system is actually white wash. it gets to the prosecution system is not really trying to find that the tools that are trying to conceive that they are not really trying to prosecute those who commit those dr. but yeah, trying to protect them in a legally trying to protect them. and i, my man of the world, the think that they're not really a war criminal when they are, as

a matter of fact were criminals. and this experience is not only my experience, this experience has been expressed by leading me human rights organization. the most well known i'm really will organization that type thing for now. and it had decided about a year ago that after finding the funding, thousands of complaints, do they believe that the lady are going to be to investigate beginning philippine? and it came to the conclusion that this protest is only a prophet. it's not really a process to find justice, it's not a process that will not be the process that will eventually

blame those who are responsible for justice or be invited in court. but rather this was only a practice to show the world that there is some kind of legal process taking place . there is some kind of rule of law when a matter of the matter. but this is just a process for the mere invention of showing a process, but not really prosecuting or changing the behavior of those soldiers while committing these crimes. let me remind you that that is not only on the criminal level also on the 7 level, really committed to just have an active load in the book of laws that actually give impunity to the army up to the grady government from me. most of that is the book bipolar,

when they are injured by their descendants or when they are killed, like in the army and they consider all these are all the skinning opinion. and during that getting out the shooting. the lead on me. we're trying. sorry. as one completion and therefore they say in the law that there is actually have impunity and also no loss can be brought even let alone are criminal. those who can be brought against the soldier or against the army in that great legal system. and those who try, i'm one of those lawyers who try to bring the lawsuits and then the last to dictate for the quote, all these low sorts, eventually rejected. and expenses were imposed on the plaintiffs who filed the

lawsuit against that have been a couple of statements which have been released just in the last hour or so. with regards to this incident cut on foreign ministry, an official has been quoted now from the for the ministry is being quoted as saying in response to the killing of ologist. he had a journalist shooting actually that it was state sponsored israeli terrorism and it must stop and also cause i was all the the network has also said that the journalist killed by israeli forces in cold blood as it says, is a horrifying crime that breaches international norms, i want to go back to mohammed donna, please, what previous gas money on this i was suggesting that the only way that there might be any efforts made or any, any impression made on the israeli legal system to change the system or to follow up and prosecutions if it is, if it comes from international sources,

how confident can you be? do you think that international falls, pressure on israel might produce some sort of result international and foreign pressure can produce the question, how do we know got about tied to south africa was eventually disbanded because international for, and pressure in the policy context. unfortunately, we have been disappointed again and again because the pressure, if at all, is not exercised on is that sometimes even exercise on the palestinian shoot. hon senior people. we don't see any real pressure being put on the government. i mean, it's a clear case of ongoing occupation the people on this planet that have gun that feel the neck,

their homeland has been stolen. literally until today, what remained from their home that 22 percent palestine is still dying about a patient that you need. ringback for our be are shooting today in that if you're old jimmy him i mean, but the as why school, why do you in genie? it's got it. how those who had to leave their home land in palestine. what became to be the 48 and yet the evening soldier are in the gab, killing palestinians and enjoy the union and applying the inhabitants of the gum and today killing and enjoying jordan. so reem pressure should be put on the sanctions should be an expansion group. against the government,

i'm telling you this information will not continue even for 2 more years. but the thing that national pressure needs i, political and political unfortunately when it comes to it seems that it is backing because of many reasons. part of it that jewish history in europe and the jewish influence and then i get it back and so on and so for and now unfortunately with all of them, a love relationship between great and some of the arabic gene in the region that is given the feeling that any or any pressure is getting further and will not happen. and that puts the athenian really in our buddy, this particular issue where they feel that they are left alone and they are, they have to face their face by themselves and they have to fight for freedom and

you're talking to us from occupied east jerusalem. and in the past, when we've said we've seen incidences where people have been killed during this conflict, that there has been an increase intention which has led to violence and on the streets. what do you think the reaction is likely to be on the ground to this incident? i mean, if you, if you, if you look at the look at you think you all go, the piano that is running. it was back in full coordination looking thing of opinion leader is saying that all the public or popular system is good in systems. latino people will follow. you see that the people are feeling what's happening in their this particular issue when they feel that the occupation is here to state and that when they are feeling that are being suffocated everywhere. and

you thought all that's because why the philippines people naturally read this and this is something that is really human. it doesn't, you don't have to be a political analyst or i story and understand that. i mean people while living under such conditions, which eventually this policy knows that resist the bad, the 1st 5. but the fact that in the lab we have been visiting all the by, in all sorts of resistance, including in the last month from about in the holy hun. i'm a show you the most in jerusalem. the mean disregard of as being the most can be regarded even today. today barry got the 10 mile something that hasn't existed at least for the last $200.00 a year. for the last year that the most the

holy hollow in jerusalem is a muslim by most of them on the side. and they need to consider this, add something to the truth of the film. all similar to what happened in palestine in general, they came to the lab and they claimed that this land was called palestine. they claimed that to me or jewish because they were here, i believe, 2000 and give the go. so when the 15 and did it and feel this and to be for both events and that if you've got to genie and i have no doc union on the street, i'm not talking about the security for the police. but the union of them who created the ability to do this in any way that can help you. but i'm sure that this will happen. it has happened in my name. it will never and killed

the occupation and occupation the lab soldier all be leave for the union territory and give the possibility to have literally tiny state really even 22 percent of historic companies find in to disconnect the very i got that those back up but it gives them some kind of flow that they have a future mohammed data. we appreciate your time. so thank you for being with us on odyssey. and just to bring those of you who are joining us on ology to up to date, an audience correspondence shilling. aqua has been shot in the face and has died shortly afterwards. according to the palestinian health ministry. it happened in the town of janine in the northern west bank. these are pictures of showing that you can see on your screen. now the details are still fairly scarce. that only

happened maybe within the last 2 to 3 hours or so. but we are greg beginning to gather some sort of idea of what happened. and i want to go to a correspondence, stephanie deca, who's going to be talking to us from west jerusalem. the question is no. stephanie, one would imagine how the israeli is going to be reacting to this well, we've just heard from the israeli foreign minister. yep. he'd in the last 10 minutes . he tweeted, i will read you his tweet. he said we have offered the palestinians, joined pathological investigation into the sad death of german. the city of walked, club journalists must be protected in conflict. so as we all have a responsibility to get to the truth, israel security forces will continue to operate wherever necessary to prevent terrorism. and the mother is of israeli. so this is we had a statement from the army as we've been reporting that is saying that it's looking into what it says, potentially palestinian gunmen having shot the journalists. and now we're having the statement from the radio. foreign minister, it is of course, also not only

a tragic tragic and senseless incident, but also a diplomatic one. at this point you were mentioning their culture has issued a statement condemning this. um, so they will be asking questions. what exactly happened? so, you know, either everyone, everyone is still in shock, which is coming to the office. no, it, no one. no one can believe it. or we were talking earlier, i saw video of our colleagues in the hospital in jeanine around sure. we screaming a, it's just something that still doesn't make any sense. so it's still very early days . you said it just happened in the last couple of hours. so i think maybe we'll a clearer picture emerge exactly of what happened. 1 we don't know, but the bureau chief here while you dial on what he's saying that there didn't seem to have been an exchange of gunfire at the time that this happened. but again, you know, we're going to have to wait and see, but certainly this is the reaction. now coming,

coming out of israel's foreign ministry from the foreign minister himself there tweeting that out for people who are just joining us. stuff give us someone idea of what it's like to be working as a journalist in dr. region. well, this happened in jeanine the occupied west bank. you heard your guests there, you know, occupied palestinian territories recognize under international law that is the occupied westbank. that is the besieged, gauze strip and occupied is jerusalem. and, you know, covering the story. it is an ongoing story and sometimes it's difficult to keep the international audience interested because it has become so much of the norm if you will, whether it's home demolitions, whether it's forced evictions and occupy these jew slim. you know, the settlement expansions in the occupied west bank, whether it's the rate of, you know, palestinian towns and villages the refugee camp in jeanine arrests in the west bank

. so. so this is the narrative. it is difficult to cover a lot of those things sometimes particularly when you have a situation like and jeanine when you have life fire that is used when things are tense. the israeli army is ready. security forces often actively target journalists side is something that everyone who covers this area, palestinian journalists experience on a daily basis. um, but at some point you do understand the ground and you sort of know how to operate more or less, you know where to position yourself. you take measured risks, but you know, as you and i've been discussing over the last 2 hours or so, you know, i always say that that everything is fine until it's not. and these things in, on the ground change in a split 2nd. so, and these things, of course, are impossible to control, and these are the measured risks that we do take. so i think what this morning's tragic incident is highlighted is just how dangerous it is for douglas,

because things can change and that 2nd everything is fine. you need our, our westbank correspondent, the teams now and the way to jeanine they're saying just sending us messages on whatsapp groups. the exchange that she had with shitty and yesterday, you know, liking her pictures on face. but telling her, you know, come back, come back to cover, we in janine because the, the a team had been base there for the last couple of days. so this is how quickly things change, rob, you know, even the driver, our driver took me now to the office as i been on the phone for the last couple of hours saying that he picked her up just a couple of days ago from the west bank to take her to a doctors appointment and a, just the banality of, of life, things that you take for granted. now one of the sudden, you know, that having stopped because she went to do her job this morning in granted a 10 situation. but a situation that the west bank teams and teams who have been here no, no very well. this is not a foreign use team has just arrived and don't understand and don't know the ground . know that these are veteran journalists who know the occupied west bank extremely

well. they know jeannine very well. they have been in the camp a year in year out there very about well versed in how, how the ground works, how this, what the security risks are, how to operate. and so, you know, i think that adds and that adds to the shock as well. you know, and it just goes to show that an any, anything can happen. they, we've discussed that the, the teams on the ground that operates for organizations like cars are very often very closely. they become almost like a family. you rely on each other very to, to a very great extent. one can only imagine the impacts of something like this on the teams who have to carry on during the reporting. yes, i mean, you heard me down there on the phone, are west by corresponding absolutely. destroyed that on your producer, a very close to shooting into i didn't actually speech. i messaged her, but me, me are of juice and produces spoke to her. she told me she was distraught and in

tears. it is a family like i shitty and i didn't know her very well personally, but there's, you know, all of our colleagues at a, j, a, j e. whether it's gods, we've covered wars together. you become very close because you know, whether it's being in an incredibly difficult and 10 situation day in day out, or whether sometimes rob, you know, it's the monday where we are doing lives and lives and lives about something that we've covered so often. and we're keep doing it so we were on the ground in the heat of the sun under those conditions like this, there is a solidarity. you know, we all know each other very well. it is a family because you spend so much time together, whether it's in extremely difficult situations or extremely, let's say boring situations. you know, you do form, you form strong relations. so it is like a family, it is devastating, it is senseless. i mean, simply, i think we've all been saying this morning like there was no need for this to happen and that there is never

a need for this to happen. but sometimes you have something that's a far more perhaps act of conflicts than a war zone. this just seems like there wasn't an active gotten battle from what we understand. there wasn't a major raid going on. it just seemed so senseless and yes, i mean the algae is, your family is devastated. or, you know, there's not many people here went through some, this is of course, the occupied west bank city is based on my law. and the videos that i saw of her colleagues in hospital around her hospital just just heart wrenching people. they can't believe that screaming pain that the, the tragic pain of loss of disbelief. um so, so yeah, the teams are very close and this is this, this is i think, still no one has really comprehended what has happened. stephanie, thank you very much. indeed, decker bringing us up to date from west jerusalem or human up italy in palestine. news director for mando vice. it's a news website focusing on palestinian issues. she's joining us from bethlehem.

thank you very much. indeed for being with us. i'd like to ask you about the kind of conditions that you believe the journalists work under when they're covering the story. yeah, thank you for having me. i mean, i like to express what a sad and tragic data says for palestinian journalist than you know, palestinians everywhere. as many of you guys have mentioned. and some correspondence mentioned working on the grounds in palestine is often a very boss house situation. in my experience in the years that i've reported here, journalists who are clearly marked as press often come under direct attack from israeli forces. when we're covering protests that can mean that journalist, they're either tear gassed their targeted rubber, bullets, or with live ammunition. as was the case for shipping and her team today. so it is not uncommon. in fact it's very common for journalists to come under israeli fire

when they're covering events in the west bank. i understand that we can bring you low pictures at the moment from shinning of sharina body being carried through the streets of the tongue where the shooting is set. have taken place during the time in the north and west bank. you know, we heard earlier on some stephanie decker correspondent quoting, and it's really fun. there's ready for the minister saying the death of ology, the journalist shooting oxley was side and he'd offer to investigate jointly with the palestinian authority. how much confidence do you have in the investigation? i would say little to no confident, you know, time and time again. it has been shown that israeli for the kill palestinians including palestinian journalists without cause in the occupied territory. and it's very ex, extremely rare that israeli soldiers, captains,

or military officials are ever held accountable for their actions. you know, after sort of high profile killing like this or for example, the killing of children that often get more significant media attention. it's not uncommon for israeli officials to say that they will investigate, to express that quote unquote sadness and say that they will investigate the killing but time and time again, almost without fail. the investigation lead, nowhere, you know, and it's ironic as stephanie was reading out the israeli meant foreign ministry statement. you know, it's ironic that the foreign minister says that journalist must be protected when, when you're talking about journalism in palestine is the biggest perpetrator of crimes against journalists in, in the west bank. and so, you know, since 196786 house and the journalists have been killed. those numbers are from the palestinian journalist syndicate. and since 2000 it's estimated that around 50

palestinians have been killed. i talked to a representative from the journalist this morning. he said that just in the past 2 years, palestinian journalists were killed in the west bank and gaza. hundreds have been injured. i mean, over the years and according to to base, which is israel leading human human rights organization. the youth of lethal for by israeli forces of the west bank is a crucial element and israel ability maintain its. ready troll over millions of palestinians, and unfortunately, journalists are often the target as they are, the ones who are, are covering israel, crime going to attack and occupied territory. you're gonna stay with me for a moment. there have been a couple of state that has been put her put out to al jazeera media network, is put out a statement, offering aids condolences. it says in a blatant murder, violating international laws and norms. the israeli occupation forces assassinated in cold blood al jazeera is correspondence al jazeera media network condemns these

heinous crime which intends to only prevents the media from conducting their duty. i'll de 0 holes, the israeli government, and the occupation forces responsible for the killing of our late colleagues schilling, it also calls in the international community to condemn and hold the israeli occupation forces accountable and official in cut us foreign ministers balls to put out a tweet saying there's really occupation killed al jazeera journalist shooting abruptly by shooting her in the face while wearing the press vest and a helmet. she was coming that attack engine in refugee camp. this state sponsors it sponsored is really terrorism must stop and unconditional supports to israel must end. you know, let me ask you about the international pressure that we've talked about earlier on in the program. there have been suggestions that the only way that there is going to be any sort of solution, any sort of resolution to this particular incident in terms of i, an investigation would come from foreign governments. again,

how confident could you be that that kind of pressure could be brought to bear? unfortunately, again, i would have to say there's little to no confidence in foreign governments and 3rd party states at this point when it comes to putting pressure on israel for its crimes. is one of your guests mentioned earlier. there needs to be a political well, but unfortunately when it comes to israel, there is no political well in terms of holding israel accountable for its crimes and to tax the journalist in press, you know, time and time again. when palestinian journalists are killed, when children are killed, when unarmed women are killed, when anyone is tell them the west bank by as many as you know, oftentimes you'll see the sort of statement from us or european officials. but unfortunately, they are often just empty statements that followed up by you know, lack of action. it's one thing to say, oh, you know, we condemn this killing. and we, you know, assert that palestinian journalist are the right the journalist should be protected

. but if you were to come out with that sort of statement, but then immediately after continue funding israel and continue funding israel military as it has been for years, sort of without any real consequences then, then i don't believe that that the situation will change or any accountability or justice, will be seen for sharing or the dozens of other houses in the journalists to have been killed by a draft. this isn't as you say, the 1st time that this kind of thing has happened. how do you notice a change in the attitude in journalists after an incident like this? do you find that people reconsider further they should be covering conflicts like this? i believe with stephanie mentioned earlier, you know, this is absolutely devastating. you know, not only devastating for shooting colleagues for her family, for friends, my heart goes out for them. this has really shaken, i think, any palestinian journalist, any journalist that's working here on the ground and across the world. that being

said, i do not think that incident like these shake the resolve of palestinian journalists because as you mentioned and as i said, this is not the 1st time that this is happened. you know, palestinian journalists continuously are under attack by, by israeli forces in their work. this is not the 1st time a journalist been killed or could be early injured. and palestinian journalists are, you know, frankly, never deterred and are determined to continue their work. or israel actually in western because if they're, if they're not here to do it, then then who will be? and frankly that is that is part of the reason of your gas. i believe have pointed out why palestinian journalists are often target. it's a method of deterrence that is employed by israel, by the government and israeli forces, you know, these palestinians during the shooting and her team were clearly marked as there is

no way around it. so when journalists are targeted, there is a reason for that is to deter them from their work by palestinian journalists are strong. they have conviction, and despite all the attack against them every single day, they continue to do their work. and so i don't believe that you know, palestinian journalists will be deterred after this, but it is extremely tragic and devastating news for a journalist than for the community. is there anything more that can be done to protect journalist when they're covering the conflict in this particular area, or are they pretty much on their own? they have the equipment and they have the facilities that they're going to get. yeah, i mean, i would say unfortunately it often does feel like you're on your own and you have your colleagues around you. of course, if, if the organization that you're working with, you know, has given you your support, that is all the better. but in terms of any sort of government or international

protection, when reporting here on the ground and in occupied palestine, journalists very much feel that they are on their own. especially when we see this sort of lack of accountability and lack of response by 4 and government, it is widely known here as the fact that israel does not hold its soldiers. military is captain, its officials accountable for these types of crime. and we also know unfortunately that foreign government governments like the us, like the us and european governments also do not hold israel accountable. so it leaves journalist feeling like there is really no one to to protect them. you know, patel is palestine news director for mondor weiss, the news website focusing on palestinian issues. you know, thank you very much indeed for your time as well. and i spoke with most of barger to use the secretary general of the palestinian national initiative. he describes the impunity with which the israeli army i've seen occupied territories. she didn't

like they will mark as a journalist. she showed she was dress, she was good either in the car was william, i will mark i was he which was being invaded at the same time by the army. there was no exchange of fire. so there is no possibility whatsoever in the city, and they always use the excuses to cover up the crime, committing against, including posting agenda, and then another was also shopped in the same and sent out by the army and all indications that shooting and was shocked by his death to cover the alien vision of the camp. the question is the context in which things have happened. the context is that we, are we not? this is not a conflict between 2 equal type. we have to fight by his bill,

which is what you find invading your life, the new and terrible crimes they have good so far, 50 in the beginning of this year. some of them was really like, i was a mother of 6 children and was almost completely blind when she, when she was shot, to die on the ground bleeding to death. we've done investigations. this is all covered up approach to cover that reality here, which is not a crime has been committed a journalist for no reason whatsoever. and let me say that we only live in a system of your vision. we also live in a system of the worst type type according to international and human rights, which so there is no way quick between them. is there any here and nobody should allow us to cover up this crime?

actually, ranch would be the not only for killing city and but also for killing all the other . again, i have one of my colleagues was provide a job and she was 3 people when she was shocked by the isn't a i'm in the house and there is not and yet no investigation to live. i might be witness similar to tuition and 996 when i was in my lot while the army was invaded and i was struck by the sniper twice in my back and nothing happened. no investigation, nobody was held accountable. and that's happening. proposed unions constantly on the clock or 70 decker is in west jerusalem for us. it's definitely just bring us up to date. first of all, we're for the reaction from israel has been well, they've been to her reactions. the 1st reaction came from the israeli army saying

that there was an exchange of fire between the army and gunman in the janine refugee camp. and it says that according to the army, it's investigating whether shooting and a. her other colleague were shot by palestinian gunman. we've also now had a tweet from israel's foreign minister year le pete and saying that it's offering a israel offering a joint pathological investigation with the palestinians, and that journalists should be protected. and of course there is, you know, some irony in that because of how israel forces operate on the ground. a visa, the journalist palestinian journalist, particularly anyone covering, you know, any of the operations that happen, you know, whether it's home demolitions, evictions protests, these kinds of raids in the occupied westbank. so that's the official reaction from here. a lot of skepticism, obviously,

from palestinians. you heard there from your guests saying that they have no doubt that she was fired on by soldiers. again, you know, it's way too early to know the exact dynamics of what happened this morning in the janine refugee cab. certainly, absolutely tragic, senseless, and everyone here still trying to to make sense of it because obviously everyone, you, sharon, and, and she's now gone so, so yes, so, and again, even, you know, with the calls for an investigation, et cetera, as you've been hearing from everyone there is no expectation that there's going to be any accountability and certainly, you know, nothing can bring her back. so we heard from a human patrol just a moment ago the from one to watch the news website talking about the, the risks, the journalist take 2 reports from that area from the west bank and from jerusalem . and there is something that doesn't translate very well. does it, there is

a suggestion, there is a, an assumption of certain by many people around the world that journalists to some extent can be protected, that they can move into safe areas. but that it isn't really the case talk as through what your experiences in the experiences of the teams there are like on a daily basis when you're trying to cover a subject that is so can be so tense i think it depends. you know what you're covering, what the story is, where you are every, you know, there's different dynamics whether, you know, we're in gaza, whether we're in the occupied west bank, whether it's in east jerusalem as certain neighborhoods. you know, whether we're dealing with settlers, whether you're dealing with home demolitions protests, you know, there are certain things that as a journalist, we know you don't place yourself in the middle of a confrontation. you know, you place your so you take cover or you look around you to try and find places that if things do escalate that you have some cover. the challenges here are that,

you know, you do often get actively targeted, particularly if these really forces, you know, either don't, don't want the press there so they will disperse them using tear gas for stun grenades are these, you know, we've been shot at directly in the past with these sponge bullets they call them, but they can really maim and calls serious injury. i've been followed with a tear gas drone in gaza during border protests a couple of years ago. i remember looking up and it was just fallen when i ran into the car and closed the door and other one of my colleagues actually had the tear gas dropped on to her as she was sort of on a she hadn't really noticed. so there is this element of active targeting because you know, whether it's provocation, whether it's not wanting journalists to be there. there isn't immunity. if you will press immunity, we just had world press day. and, you know, our colleagues, it to just over saying, you know, get all of us said journalist to send in a message of, of what, what it is it means to you and, and it is the basic thing, right? to be able to do your job without the fear of being targeted because we're journalists

and the press best no longer gives you a sense of safety. in fact, sometimes you know, that it's actually making you an act of target, you know, whether it's here or where there's anywhere else. but certainly here, there is, there is absolutely an element of impunity and active targeting and it, and it makes the job a very difficult. and particularly when you have an area like g residents of root as it small areas, you know there, it's a densely populated area, you have gun minutes, extremely tense. the army also operates even more aggressively if you will, in situations like that, they're dealing with gum. and so these are the, the situations on the ground that as a team. and again, you know, it keeps saying this is shelly and, and her team are exc, incredibly well versed in the language of the ground. they're, they're not new to the story. they know it well, they were sleeping there they, they understand the dynamics and how to operate safely. they're not massively gung

ho or so, so yeah, so it just highlights just how dangerous things can be in how things can change in an instant. just as you've been talking to his room, looking at some latest pictures from the streets of janine where the, the body of sharing abrazzo has been carried through the streets too. too, as a marker of honor, it's a procession to mark her. her death. i was talking earlier to the palestinian long mohammed dotala, he was talking to us from occupied his to roost than he was saying that in the past, the events like this have sparked violence. they have spark tension and it's in the areas from your experience. and again, going by past experiences past situations like this, what do you think the risk saw that there, we could see violence on the streets again, as a result of this, it's possible, you know, you're talking about a prominent or prominent journalist, very well known. whether this is going to ignite this street, you know, i cannot,

i cannot say what i do know is that things here are very unpredictable and they could change in an instant. what i also know is that the ground here is tense, and i will then say i've been coming here for very long time. things these days are unpredictable. you have, you know, this new a pattern 6 or 7 attacks inside israel by a palestinian individuals. some of those coming from the jenin refugee camp israel now intensifying its raids. palestinians cooling this collective punishment as you've been hearing from your guest palistine saying, you know, collective punishment and ongoing occupation at some point that people are going to react. you add into that the extremely fissile and explosive nature potential provocation of what is happening and has happened on the alex a most compound which is also fueling the narrative here of both sides,

hamas israel. oh, which is you know, just briefly the increase of the, of the entering of the sight of these far i alternation las religious jewish groups calling for the right to pray. the blind eye that's been turned to that. this is strictly forbidden, under an agreement between jordan and israel, only muslims pray on the site and non muslims a visit. this is that in a nutshell, so and you have a hamas leader in garza calling for individuals to protect alex to go out and carry out attacks. so all this is basically to tell you that the ground is tense and it's unpredictable at the moment. and we have heard from these radius dollar this such stablish mate over the last couple of days about thinking about a new large scale incursion engineer, this is not what happened this morning. but this is something that they've been discussing or you know, said operation in gaza, but again even hearing from israel's internal security forces. looking at these

previous attacks carried out inside israel. they were saying, according to their intelligence that these are pretty much carried out by individuals not backed by any of the factions, regardless of the rhetoric and retro active claiming of responsibility, whether it's palestinian islamic jihad or hamas. so it makes it far more difficult to control. i think, you know, the fact that you and i now are talking about this in the spotlight once again through this tragic, senseless death of sharina is highlighting something that policies will tell you has been forgotten by the international community that the occupation and even talking to a colleague, the other day she was telling me, she was like, the occupation has been normalized and she's bouncing and she was saying, you know, this, this should not be the case. this is just simply become the situation. and even if you look at diplomatically, you know, the abraham records and the, the piece deals made with israel, or, you know, deals with arab states,

gulf states. many palestinians will tell you that the world and particularly the arab world, has normalized what is happening here. um, so you know, one of this to say is that you and i, now we're talking about this again, why for a senseless death. but the spotlight again is on something that for palestinians is their daily reality. and that certainly isn't changing the last time piece talks happened here. i covered them in 2014. that's the very last time you had. and those were talks to discuss the start of talks. when you had secretary of state john kerry scuttling in here. a couple of times, even during one week, nothing has changed and if you look at the ground, and if you look at the land that is being that say taken with settlement expansion . and then you look at the situation at the alex must compound and all of these things, um, you know, it's like things just change every time the actual closeness of policing and state

or piece tolten. we're nowhere near this, nowhere near this. so what you're seeing now is journalists covering what our daily realities, the news here, ebbs and flows taught. iraq, you know, sometimes it's calm, sometimes it's not. and so tragically, this morning has highlighted a what is a daily reality here. and it's a and it's often no longer covered, you know, because it's become such a daily occurrence if you will certainly record talking to us from worst jerusalem, stephanie, thank you very much. indeed. are you watching or does it or we're bringing you the news that a journalist for al jazeera network are corresponded. sharina broccoli has been shot in the face and has died shortly afterwards. according to the palestinian health ministry had happened apparently during an israeli army raid in the janine town in north of west bank. neither abraham is in ramallah in the occupied west bank. nita, i want to ask you, 1st of all how you and the team are reacting to the news this morning.

c who had here in ages ias offices in romana, or if you can see the colleagues off shooting at godaddy, that are journalists also here coming. everyone is looking at this video. well, let's show a lot moments of her life. she's been shot when she was covering is really raised in janine and if you will pay attention to that video. i'm not sure if you can see. 6 at even asked, she was shot and you will see someone coming in now trying to pull her from the scene. the gun shots continued. so it was really difficult, even if she had a chance to make it, it was really difficult to pull her to get her the help she needed shortly after

she succumbed to her wounds in the hospital. neither one could understand, forgive me, forgive me for interrupting you. one can understand, because we've heard from her, from stephanie how tightly knit these teams can be, how much like a family these teams on the ground can be try if you can just talk to us what kind of impact this is having on the team. i think the pictures are speaking for themselves, right, rob for a year. i've lived with her. you know these teens go on long coverages. they spend days and days in the field so they are like one family. we even got a message from shooting yesterday asking to come to janine where she has been based her producer here. if been also a friend, you go all together so you can see and you can close the relationship,

not only among the family, but also other journals working for other networks. and because there's a feeling among palestinians, journalists have that they are targeted quite is ready for system, but because they are carrying the story because they are the messenger of these really violation of what's going on. so here everyone feels that they themselves be like city, many of them tell you that they've been shot by life amunition the bite of a good they've been by kid guess cancer. so these people are concerned, aim is to prevent them from going to the field and do that and covering. we're talking about the fees in journalism, new, the new and who has been whether everywhere we go to english. we meet people who say, oh yeah,

we know she and she was there when we were covering and janine and the past few weeks, people were saying that she was one of the 1st people to arrive after they really envision to the camp that mark 20 years we martha anniversary, just a few days ago, 20 years ago and the regular army invaded the cab. technically raising the building there to clamp down on the palestinian fighters. someone not only the seasons and knows her story. she's also been trying to learn. she has never had enough, she wanted to learn, can you me and just graduated with a diploma from the university. she was showing up her phone drought new showing of how she was doing and using those books doors to the phone. she was very modest for someone who was very knowing profession and so which is also telling us engineering, but learning hebrew to which was reading to us from israeli museum is really

another thing. because often when you look at the stories, there is a power sit in and there's that is really that narrative and it's important to get their voice out there. so it's important for them to know what's going on with these really media is reporting to kind of try and debunk it and say, what really happened. let me take you to her office. she's been working here. she has an office. this is the to office of should it this is where should have ported on the story. you can see a lot of honoring clark's forehead from several places. this is in regards to a committee defending the rights of palestinian refugees, remember were just a few days from marking the 74th anniversary of neck by the 1948 displacement of more than 700000 palestinians or by when israel was created,

she was telling the story for all of these decades, she has been someone who would rely on to tell you the story. she was a teacher embittered at university, but she was also that also a student. she really wanted to focus on the human element of the story. she was someone you would feel comfortable talking to. so i guess that's why people opened up to her talk to her. and she was able to carry their features, their stories when people do that. so that's why we're seeing lots and lots of our people coming to a the bureau here at anya who's besides herself. she also she always would tell me should in should in she would. she would notice that we caught it in before we go to jeanine. i know you don't have words and i'm sorry, but just one word for should in. when mister twin

everyone here has no in her show known how kind she is. you might see them now engaged in the details. now we hear that they're gonna take her body for autopsy. people here say that they want to bring her just doesn't. they want the want to know what palestinian journalists and palestinians are going to need. that there must be questions that people like you and her colleagues ask themselves when they're faced with a situation like this, about whether it's worth carrying on. whether it's worth doing this job and putting your life at risk. can you encapsulate for us what the mood would be moving forward? do you think that people are going to at least some of them might say i'm not doing

this anymore with isn't that the goal? i can tell you is studying journalism and but is it university? my generation has the generation that has been young during the 2nd and the father went to study journalism because of correspondence. like should in abortion like gerardo, what they did, they wanted to tell the world the story, the way these journalists did. so when they see an idol of theirs, when they see someone who has been shut, when i see someone like her who was just commenting on my picture the other day, just go just like that. how. how is that gonna affect me trying to go to jeanine again or to go to the west bank again or? yeah, of course it's i can, i can't tell you how it's going to affect me. i'm still processing. i'm still in shock. everyone here is still in shock, but definitely it's going to have an impact on you know, what,

even if we want to keep on telling the story, what about our families? are they going to be okay with us continuing doing the story? now this is not to say that palestinians are safe, and journalists are the ones being targeted. we are covering our story, we're covering the story of our people, of our families. so it's not like if i'm not a journalist, i'm not going to be targeted or killed. we passed checkpoints on a daily basis and sometimes use you see armed israeli soldiers, a diet or thing, better weapons you. so you think that that is not gonna affect us or like, you know, like that could happen to us. yes. my point is that these things could happen to us and excuse me, if i'm just sometimes a close of word media, i completely understand this. it is only hot, very just within the last few hours and we do appreciate that the team still has to process as you say, everything that is going on. but i do want to ask a need

a just finally we've seen pictures of shootings, body being taken in a procession through the streets of janine and what the under crowds, there have been very significant. what do you think the reaction on the streets is going to be to this and that it's hard to expect how people are going to react again, which is a season janet is she's been very well known professionally, has touched the hearts of many, whatever we go we hear that oh shit in was here. who should ingleheart the story? and yet, from years and years ago, people and jenny and cutting her budget now in honor of her a professionalism of the fact that she died telling the story and you need a thank you very much indeed that need to hebrew, him talking to us from the occupied westbank. earlier i spoke with jesse, who is managing director at giles trundle. he called for accountability for shaheen,

blacklist killing as the managing director of a channel like this does this gave you. is it necessary for you to, to stop and consider the circumstances under which journalists who are covering concepts like this and work to a way to try to improve them to make them safer? is that really very much you can do when the circumstances are as we see them in these, in this particular region, we do as much as we possibly can of the safety, the health, the safety of our journalists is of paramount importance to us. we have all the necessary protocols for providing the equipment, providing security, providing procedures, safety procedures. we do everything we can to protect our journalists, but we have to recognize that is a dangerous world out there. and there are some states players as well as other players who do target journalists and increasingly,

unfortunately in this world today, the media is increasingly coming under fire in all sorts of different ways, whether it be physical attack or online attack, or any all sorts of other attacks and intimidation and threats, and as well as al jazeera, another. what, along with other media, we have to face this, this reality, this depressing reality. but we cannot allow it to sign up for us to stop us from doing what we do because the world needs to know what's happening more than ever in this world. and i think in now past history, it's 25 years of, of algebra history. something like 11, i think it's 11 of our journalists have been killed. this will now obviously increase that number. we have had a tough experience of the sort of thing, but we have to carry on. i say to all my colleagues that we do a great job. we are, we've one great awards. we don't do this to win awards. we do this because we believe that we are doing something that is important to do. but our journalism is

recognised and it's important that we carry on doing that because the world we need to know what is happening. is there any anything that just as an organization can do with regard to representations to the israeli military, to the israel government or indeed to the palestinian authority in the, in the event of something like this? yes, we, we, we will make the necessary communications and with, with all those that we can to try and find out what has happened. i'm sure there will be lots of calls from around the world. we get a lot of support from human rights organizations, governments who will be looking at what happened here, and why a journalist has been shot that journalists killing journalists shooting the messenger is equivalent to a war crime. so we need to know what has happened. the world needs to know what happened a

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