coverage, this used to be a cultural center. it will stick with the pool. this rubble is loop from around the world. $825000000.00 books were sold around the world. we're talking about paperless. ah ah, it's 20 hours g m t m, fully battery boy, you're watching al jazeera by from doha, with our continuing coverage of the killing of our al jazeera colleague, sharing apple acclaim by israeli forces in the occupied west bank. earlier this wednesday, sharon was shot while covering and he's really raid in the city of jeanine al jazeera media network has called it a blatant murder, violating international laws and norms. jamal child begins our coverage with this

report. oh, don't shoot the messenger unless you're in his really soldier. in that case, you're seemingly okay with shooting a reporter who's clearly identifiable as a journalist and poses no threat. should he in a barclay, is the latest reporter to be killed by the israeli military, which has a long history of targeting journalists and news outlets. particularly al jazeera sharing, a veteran reporter who spent her life covering events and occupied palestine was among a group of journalists, documents and what was happening in janine early on wednesday. according to eye witnesses and video footage, she was wearing a safety vest and helmets, both of which clearly identified her as a member of the press. despite this or maybe because of it's, sharon was shot and killed. we were going to filmed is really army operation. and

suddenly they shot us without asking us to leave or stop filming the 1st bullet hit me and the 2nd bullet hit sharina. they killed her in cold blood because they are killers and specialized, and killing only palestinian people. we had no resistance and there was no palestinian resistance at all at the same journalist. somebody was also shot and injured in the attack. there was no exchange of fire. so there is no possibility whatsoever. and they said in the last day, they always do the excuses. to cover up the crime committed against palestinians, including post union generals according to rights groups. israel has killed 50 journalists since 2000, and injured more than 144 in the past 4 years alone. this

is also not the 1st time israel has intentionally targeted al jazeera last year. the networks office in garza was bomb to rebel while journalists devoted. but it was assorted by israeli forces, whilst reporting on israel's ethnic cleansing of our residents in occupied east jerusalem street. the rough neighbourhood, israeli authorities say they've launched an investigation human rights group say they have little faith in israeli justice, particularly with renowned organizations like human rights watch. and i'm going to see international accusing israel of implementing a system of apartheid. high off and human rights organizations for example, like bit said limb and is that a human breast? so can i say at that decided the long time ago that there are no longer going to even interact with the complaint system with invisible eli army because it is not serious. it doesn't find is that a disorders guilty?

i thought is foreign ministry whose country hosts the al jazeera network issue to statements with senior diplomats, no one hot or demanding an end to what she called, state sponsored israeli terrorism. the european union and other members of the international community have also condemned the kenning. but all these condemnations have fallen short of including any sanctioning or punishment for a crime that threatens the essence of any free society. a free press should in was kill, trying to inform the world of what was happening in her country. the world now knows that in occupied palestine, no one is safe from israel's bullets. not even journalists who am i lecture young? i just hero the doctor who carried out the autopsy on cheering. ab lockley has been describing her injuries. ryan alley says

a bullet that kills serene was direct and fatal, lost the injury was massive and there was a complete laceration in the brain together with a big fracture of the sco al jazeera media network has put out a statement, offering its condolences and said in a blatant murder, violating international laws and norms, is really occupation forces assassinated in cold blood al jazeera correspondence al jazeera media network condemns, is his crime which intends to only prevent the media from conducting their duty. al jazeera holes is really government and the occupation forces responsible for the killing of the late colleague serene. it also calls on the trash or community to condemn and hold these really occupation forces. accountable alisha marines body was brought to al jazeera. his office is in the occupied westbank. ah,

a large crowd had gathered outside the building in ramallah to pay their respect. same expressed her anger over the killing greeting colleagues and friends sprayed over her remains before she means body was carried through the streets of the city . abraham has more from her mama we know city is a very well respected journalist, but it's still a very hard thing to see. people who don't know her personally, people who just came because they seen her on tv for years, covering and telling their stories. so they were here, they were crying. we've also seen our colleagues who have been in jeanine since the early morning. some of them who had with her when she was shot injured, taken to the hospital, were shouting at her, asking her to wake up. they were in shock, so others went in the morning when they heard the news to janine. and then all of them brought the body here to them allah to. i'll just see it as a building,

one of the places she loved and spent a lot of time. and we've seen the colleagues hugging each other, even the people that i've been seeing throughout this morning holding up trying to be strong, pushing through. i've seen them break down a difficult scene. we can say that palestine is morning, one of her kind female journalists, the building towards the hospital, where should ins buddy's gonna stay for the night ahead of the preparations for the a burial ceremony. we've seen people here. i go in there as continuous protest walk in the streets of drama, la, remembering city and chanting slogans. i remembered in her so we are expecting the buddy out to be taken to morrow to the presidential

headquarters where there is going to be an official ceremony held by the palestinian president. so honor she did and we are expecting the body to be buried in jerusalem. on friday. earlier wednesday is early police storm sharina, blacklist family home and occupied east jerusalem as mortars were paying their respects their relatives, friends and supporters of the journalist killed protested against the police action . and people who spend their day gathering outside sharon's home in occupied east jerusalem. stephanie deka is there more people have been arriving here as the night goes on to pay their condolences to sharina family. we are just outside the family home in bate honey, 9, occupied east jerusalem are you also have tom being on being song throughout the evening about unity palestinian unity also condemning what happened

calling for revenge and also just highlighting the tragedy of what happened here. many people here extremely angry, extremely sad to me, shot at what happened was i hadn't got up to day. serene unites us. she unites all our homes and towns. she unites, all palestinians from north to south were all crying. she read the whole world is crying. she read sharyn is an icon. her soul paid for her free words. we will never forget cheering to day were gathered in front of shirlen's house to pay our respects. she will forever be in our hearts. earlier in the day we had 3 israeli police officers arriving here, entering the home to much protest from every one here, or they started yelling at them inside the house, telling them to leave. basically, they were telling the family to switch off the patriotic songs that were being

played out. 5 has made people extremely angry. i'm extremely offensive at a time when the family is still coming to terms of what has happened. serena's brother is due to arrive this evening. a niece will be arriving on thursday. i should ins, body will be in the a my law on thursday. why the pallet? i bobby holding a salvage. and then our final resting place will happen here in jerusalem on friday . and you now side is in guys that way people have also been paying tribute to sure enough, blocking it in the gaza strip. a visual has been held to commemorate the memory of serene block le candles had been lighted here at the rebels of our old building, a da 0 building that was bomb, blast me. why do you really forces? this is a way that policy is in the gaza. strip had shown to express their support,

silly dairy t, and condolences to city, and to remember her name and to pay tribute to her memory, who they consider an icon and a unique journalist who has always been delivering their messages on their suffering to the world. well, there's been reaction from around the world to the killing of a colleague al jazeera asked see palestinian ambassador to the united nations earlier. how will he pressure the un for an impartial investigation taken? listen if one to examine the statements, the 10s of statements issued by different countries, including members of the security council, including the president of the security security council. one can see that there is many common points together. that logically should allow for every action from the security council, if not exactly in all these elements,

perhaps some other elements and that is up to the negotiation between the different parties. and as we speak, we put on the hands of a close friends in the security council language to reflect what i am saying. and we hope that the, the security council would raise to the level of acting on such thing. and to act as quickly as possible. as get more reaction from the united nations. now with kristin salome, who's there for, as we heard from her ambassadors to the un there earlier, reacting to the killing of a collie, christine, tell us about their message to the international community. right, well the palestinian ambassador, as well as the arab group of ambassadors here at the united nations and the league of arab states are calling for this independent international investigation. as

well as action by the un security council and great powers to address. not only the shooting of the al jazeera of our al jazeera colleague, but also the ongoing issues and lack of peace talks for the palestinians as well as we heard they are the ambassador calling for the security council to issue a statement or a resolution condemning the act and we heard also that they want this independent investigation, notably israel and the united states have called for a joint investigation, a slight difference. they are, whereas the palestinians say criminals cannot be trusted to investigate themselves. the u. s. and the israelis have held out for a joint investigation, avoiding referring this to an international body that said the united states

has joined with other countries in expressing its regret over the shooting linda thomas greenfield, who is the us ambassador called at horrifying. she herself talked about her experience with serene being interviewed in november in the west bank. she said that she, it was an extraordinary interview and she walked away with great respect for her and called for transparency and answers to exactly what happened. the united nations on its part as well as was quick to condemn the shooting from the secretary general on down to a tor venice land. who's the u ends. special envoy for the middle east and the high commissioner of human rights as well. calling for investigations into exactly what happened toward venice. lynn said that it was a he condemned the shooting and said that journalists and media can never be

targeted. so what we're hearing at the united nations is this a huge outcry of support and concern for what's happening there. but the next steps are a bit unclear in terms of what action if any, the security council might take and where this investigation is going at this stage . it's just a lot of talk. and we also heard from the arab league representative here at the united nations as well, that if there is no hope going forward for the palestinians, if there's no, i'm a talk about reinstating the peace process. if there's no accountability and then there's little hope for palestinians and little hope for the arab world, that the situation will get resolved in. and he pointed out that that his organization as well as others, have been calling on the united nations to take note and on the world community to take note of what has been an escalating situation in the palestinian territories,

particularly in the last month around holy sites. which have led to an increase in violence and, and warnings from you and officials that the situation could get worse if there is not a strong international response. thank you for that. kristin kristen, to know me live for is had the united nation said, well, i colleague sharon utley. it was a palestinian american while the usa department spokesman net price has called for an immediate investigation into our killing. serene was a veteran reporter. she was followed closely by those who care about the region and is mourned by all who knew her. the secretary spoke just when we could go on world freedom day about the fundamental role journalist play in the free flow of information, ideas, opinions, including dissenting ones. as being essential to inclusive and tolerant societies, it is hard to see the killing of another journalist just one week later, we call for an immediate and thorough investigation and full accountability.

investigating attacks on independent media and prosecuting those responsible are paramount importance. we will continue to promote media, freedom and protect journalists ability to do their jobs without fear of violence, threats to their lives, or safety, or unjust attention. her death is a tragic loss and an affront to media freed up everywhere. some on this, let's go to she have a tansy that the state department for is what more did we hear from the state department spokesman? i think the problem that price was having with some of the the, the journalists sick core. here was the quite clear empirical record that we have that journalists have referred to and can very easily refer to off israel's recorded, investigating at security forces when they're accused of war crimes. and the record is that yes as well can be very quick to open up an investigation, but then they tend to languish for months. if not years. le quietly shelled with no accountability. very rarely is any israeli security official brought brought to,

to court or anything like like that. so that was the line that, that, that, that price was having to deal with. but ned price kept on repeating this phrase, israelis have the wherewithal and capability to investigate that may well be true, they may do, they have the wherewithal and capability to investigate. but do they do that on that was something that that price wouldn't be drawn even as the associated press reporter in that briefing pointed out the actual, almost to a day, it was may 15th of the israelis, bombs, the associated press. him al jazeera offices in garza, and at the time the state department also expressed concern of what was going on in that price was asked, are you still trouble? did you ever get any, any sort of satisfactory resolution to any of this? and that price was supposed to say, no, we're, we're still concerned and trouble by what happened. that this is the administration that has been clear pretty much from the staffs that when it comes to what was once called the piece price as the not going to get involved. they don't want to spend the capital on it. even for like, clear cut promises from the biden campaign during the presidential campaign that

they would, for example, open the reopen the u. s. consulate, unoccupied, east jerusalem. they have not dancer, because israel objects, israel has a veto power over the, by the ministrations policies in the region. we've seen that pretty clearly. so there is some sketches of mr. how much further, the biden ministration will push the israelis even when and it's an american citizen who it seems, was killed by an israeli sniper in between the area of her helmet and her flat jacket. she ab, thank you very much for that. she ever tansy lived there at the state department in washington. leshaw speak to chris doyle, who's joining us from london via skype. he's the director of the council for our arab british understanding. thank you very much, mister doyle for being with us. we heard a lot of reaction in condemnation today, a lot of statements, connie, for an independent international investigation into the killing of a colleague, who in your view should be leading this investigation. well,

it must be independence. it must be international, but it also, and this is really important and must have the ability to ensure that those who are found to be responsible are held to account and are put on trial and my face a sentence because this is exactly what is missing day after day, year after year, decade after decade in the case of israel's behavior and treatment to palestinians . basically there is a well entrenched climates of impunity that is ready forces know that basically that government will back them come what may that, that can commit. whatever forms of trust is killings, assassinations, eating are po for palestinians and indeed others and get away with it. and this has to stop if the killing of sharina will actually is going to mean interesting then hopefully will come out of this is the end of this complete climate of impunity. it means end to the idea that it's ready for 6 and just get away with it because i

think should still be alive right now. if there is israeli soldiers in, janine knew that that would be consequences for committing a crime. and killing journalist, why has there been no consequences all these years? i mean, these crimes go unquestioned because he's really, government knows they'll get away with not conducting a thorough investigation because they won't face any criticism from their allies from the u. s. from the u. k. government as well. what would you like to see your government do about this? well, it would be very nice if the british government could even say anything beyond the very merest expressions of concern. they of course, do not indicate any culpability responsibility. and crucially, not calling for that independent investigation, because throughout all of these atrocities that we have seen over the years and

decades, that israel has been accused of whether it's in golf at the west bank in lebanon, in the past. there's never really been that independent inquiry into their actions with the ability to hold those responsible to account. so yes, course the united states is a main reason for this. but i think that's something else to play here and what we see. so often now, and there was a recent report brought out in canada about anti palestinian racism, racism against where body counts aren't done that. the killings of arabs and palestinians, a just numbers that not stories that the humanized and they are deprived of the context and not considered to be indigenous people with the rights to self determination and so forth. and this is being recognized the world over at a broader level. it means that european powers, united states, their friends, can get away with pretty much anything. the enemies are held to account and we see

this, of course, over ukraine, where russia, in the case of russia, the i, c. c is brought into play. there's going to be an investigation. we see that western companies pulling out to russia. huge expressions of anger and concern, but none of this happens when it is for a friend of the west, and in this case, israel. so we could see, i hope, i really hope that we will see general genuine accountability for the killing of serene. but i fear that if things go as normal, what we will see is this will soon be forgotten. the industrial scale effort to blur the story and cloud, the issue with alternative narratives. and we've already seen these already. narrative changing several times today will be perhaps successful. and that will be some other story that will dominate the headlines in the days to come. we mustn't

allow that happen. absolutely vital to international law means something and it means something. all those palestinians whose killings of also gone on to investigate to them in our minds your views that so far this year is ready forces of killed 10 palestinian children. now they're not getting any investigations as to the circumstances of their killing. this has to stop. thank you so very much for talking to us and sharing your views. chris doyle, director of the council for our british understanding. thank you very much for joining us on our team here. and these are any palestinian conflicts remains one of the most dangerous for journalists, the new york base committee to protect journalists estimates 18 have been killed since 1992. but the palestinian journalist syndicate estimates the figure is 3 times higher. lading israel for most of the casualties. and it says it documents hundreds of attacks,

a year by israeli forces on journalist covering the occupation. then bestcopy has a report on ha, in israel's occupation of palestine. it's tactics have become increasingly aggressive over the decadence. so to it's cracked out on media workers covering her on the killing of edges. you're a journalist and palestinian american sharina. luckily the latest example on your coupon book i yeah. in may 2021 in his railey air. raid brought down a building in the gaza strip that housed local people and international media offices, including those of jersey press freedom advocates said it was an attempt to silence journalist a month later israeli police destroyed out your equipment and arrested jerusalem correspondent javala today. i know that oh, breaking her head in the process of witnesses said her press sign was clearly visible

and the arrest was unprovoked. of luckily was also in her press. best and helmet at the time of her death. time and time again. it has been shown that you know, israeli forces kill palestinian, including palestinian journalists without cause in the occupied territory. and its berry ex, extremely rare that israeli soldiers, captains, or military officials are ever held accountable for their actions. israel often uses, would it cause secret evidence to detain palestinian journalist for months without to process and restrict their movement. attacks by israeli forces have also left doesn't injure a palestinian central human rights report in 2020 found journalists face, quote, cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment at the hands of israeli forces in the wake of workers death . israel's army says it does not target journalists and as foreign minister

suggested conducting a joint investigation and autopsy, and offer palestinian leaders refused. israeli forces have directly targeted journalists with lee full force in the past. in 2008 israeli soldiers killed reuters camera, man. fidel shot he filmed the tank as it fired the shell that killed him. his final images captured on tape before his camera was destroy. shanar too was wearing body armor marked press at the time of his death. serene. luckily was killed covering in israeli raid on jeanine in the occupied west bank. the cutter based broadcaster said odyssey ra producer, ali alsa moody was also wounded. the latest casualties of israeli attacks on journalists that seem to go on with impunity in basra. v o 20 a memorial day and her former al jazeera correspondent. he says they must be international accountability whenever and wherever a journalist is killed,

journalism is not a crime. and whether you are a journalist who dies in mexico or a journalist who dies in ukraine or a journalist who dies in the occupied palestinian territory. the international community, international government, international organizations have to condemn the killing the journalists, unequivocally, and they have to speak with one clear moral voice. you cannot treat journalists differently depending on which conflicts they cover and try to both sides every situation. so that you are the escape, the realities on the ground. and it's very important that we remind ourselves in journalist, remind their viewers and their, and their readers, that as they report on these conflicts, they do so with a tremendous amount of danger to their own personal safety. but they understand that, and we must on the other side of it, as people who consumed the news, read the news, watch the news, respect the profession, and make sure that we go out of our way to make it to not just understand what

they're reporting. but to make sure anybody who hurts a journalist killed a journalist is held accountable to the full extent of the law. we cannot have double standards. we treat the killing of journalists or, you know, the torture of journalists or the detention of journals differently depending on who the perpetrator is. if they're a close proximity to us or not as, as western government. while only a my colleague rob matheson spoke with al jazeera, managing director, jobs stranded here in the studio. we do as much as we possibly can of the safety. the health and safety of our journalists is, is of paramount importance to us. we have all the necessary protocols for providing the equipment, providing security, providing procedures, safety procedures. we do everything we can to protect our journalists, but we have to recognize that is a dangerous world out there. and there are some states players as well as other

players who do target journalists and increasingly, unfortunately in this world today, the media is increasingly coming under fire in all sorts of different ways, whether it be physical attack or online attack, or any all sorts of other attacks and intimidation and threats, and as well as al jazeera, another. what, along with other media, we have to face this, this reality, this depressing reality. but we cannot allow it to sign up for us to stop us from doing what we do because the world needs to know what's happening more than ever in this world. and i think in now past history, it's 25 years of, of algebra history. something like 11, i think it's 11 of our journalists have been killed. this will now obviously increase that number. we have had a tough experience of the sort of thing, but we have to carry on. i say to all my colleagues that we do a great job, we are, we've won great awards. we don't do this to win awards. we do this because we

believe that we are doing something that is important to do. but our journalism is recognized and it's important that we carry on doing that because the world we need to know what is happening. is there any, anything that you know as an organization can do with regard to representations to the israeli military, israeli government or indeed to the palestinian authority in the, in the event of something like this? yes, we, we, we will make the necessary communications and with, with all those that we can try and find out what has happened. i'm sure there will be lots of calls from around the world. we got a lot of support from human rights organizations. governments are, who will be looking at what happened here and why a journalist has been shot that journalists, you know, killing journalists, shooting the messenger, is equivalent to a war crime. so we need to know what has happened. the world needs to know what is happening. and they'll be continuing coverage off the death of our colleague on al

jazeera before her death. she spoke in her own words about what it meant to be a 1030 look with

ah, i cannot easily accept sums. it is not political because we lee me. society, new choice of being not political is this political choice. my name is iowa way. i'm mom artist, on them activist. i'm rider. i'm documentary. but hers, a human being. the poetic act had such power to drive millions of people to certain kind of conclusions about the stay to be that we occupied. i'm in the school for i'm an artist. my art isn't overtly political in any obvious way. i'm much more interested in isa, terry, poetic or whatever else all difficult stuff.

okay, well i want to start by reading a small passage from charlie chaplin. the great comedian is a great performer, performer in his film. ah, the great dictator from 1940. he gives his big speech and i'm just going to read a little passage from it. greed, he says, has poisoned men's. souls has barricaded the world with hate. his goose stepped us into misery and bloodshed. we have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in technology. i changed the word, it was machinery, technology that gives us abundance has left us wanting. our knowledge has made us

cynical. our cleverness is hard and unkind. we think too much and feel too little. more than technology, we need humanity. more than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. it is the most beautiful, beautiful speech clear short and very poignant and, and it describes all righty titian. perfectly perfectly are we think we're so technically advanced based on career so smart of is simply up very well educated, but we don't know what to be missed and mid rest. so it seems to me that there are 2 fundamental things missing wisdom. we live in a world almost without wisdom, and the other is compassion. wisdom come from not just the, the library or

a box, but rather from are using your hands, the hands of teachers, your heart and they are your mind. and so it was leslie rhodes all day. they don't use their hands in more or they use hands for some other purpose. so i sang because they had been go too far from the so called the wisdom because wisdom is about how do you survive your soul and your body and, and now we don't really so why bit b, e a hurried so much we are being given by the via nona, appreciate and the we're taking, we don't know to whom we, we are taken from. yes and her, i think this is to the from are the post colonial lism and also is a so called the globalization. it's a new form of law or colonialism, correct? that corrupt or a whole human condition. i like very much what you've just said about the hand

traveling in so much of the world, perhaps specially in china. what we see is what i see is that people are being moved off to land and put into great, big skyscrapers. they lose the hand and it's contact with this wonderful earth. that is all that is the basis. so when you were talking about exile in the 1st part of the show here, you um, talked about being an outsider, but really you talked about losing your home. and one of the things perhaps we could discuss is how important is this idea of home? well, i am a person of all not perfectly pack up on the want his home because even you my nation one now was born. my father was eggs out, so i'm 2nd generation of exile,

person and i, we lost some son of we quit to be think belongs to us. familiar, annoying. we know if we close our i, we can still go back to lad safety corner. save in all the guys you have or familiar smile, horror, or a you know, the corner little light in communist society. nice and be allows to individual the snotty. this material doesn't belong to individual. you don't have a private feeling. you don't have a memory because all those fun memories has being changed in our history book tells you really difference from a one to really happened. so the sense of a home are sole altered. who it is it that also as artists we sit outside or is it that the search for home is

something that, that is a continuing poetic philosophical law of confusing problem. my mother's a jewish or was jewish. i, father's indian. so in india we were always the jewish boys, my brother and i. then we went to israel because that's what jewish kids do. go to israel, they said, ah, but your dock. so somewhere was a darky, sorry, utterly confusing, utterly confusing. and britain was much better at this, but many of our audience i could see all over them from all over the world. many of us will suffer this question of being an outsider of what is home. where is how key is home to the activity that we say we want to perform, which is reconnect if you like, with our deep psychic in a world and thank her your wrists up are very serious question. as an artist,

we are by nature, they are person who are lost. when we choose to be lost, we choose to be lost. so it's our choice. i like that he cause we choose to be lost . yeah, that burns back to the fundamental question. why are they belongs to originally? so now do they have to answer? doesn't matter where you come from, what kind of religion or language or a habit based meters, and then tim fi us ourself as a human being a same times, we struggle for identity it. oh no artist na struggle for identity. so this to are so conflict. so you know. but in links, of course also to the other thing, which is that i can only be an artist if i'm fragile. yes, i once i a sad them in the future may may be the most power or false as being

fragile. yeah. because it's not, there's no crawl. the powers of phrases is for jonas, correct? my fertility is my humanity. it is my ability to identify it is that part of me which can break down and tears and b if you like, open or vulnerable, and yet we also carry this other side as artists of great bravado. i can, you know, baker can lemme shoot him to the corner. oh, whatever variation on such a thing. meaning, foolishness, stupidity, fragility, and stupidity are quite close, sisters like this. and they are, it's a very interesting problem of dairy. so it's both fragile and daring. and the hall to leave your life that sort of question. how do some live

form the fragile it nurse and also to be provocative. my in chinese facie thought that means the way. so the way has to be leave us a one. he, why do you act and the why do you think about the language has come to one that's most difficult may be and that part it can be called an artist and that's very beautiful. there's one other really important subject. it links to all the things we've been talking about, that we educate our young people as slaves to the capitalist economic machine. society is not interested in the individuality, the freedom, the spirit, the of the young person. what we want is automaton ins and walk society does not

want is young people who feel who think, who are fragile, who are unable, who don't know. we'd say no, you go to element corner. i don't want to see the dark side of you. we have taken all a dark parts of our environment, every dark valley, every dot chasm, and cut it down and turned it into a nice little if you like, forgive me. but a nice little christian place in which everything is good. everything is well, but actually it's the death i want your dog so i don't want your good self here. i'm. and that is the reversal if you like that turning education the other way up, if you like. i totally agree that education is the big problem because very designed as a system to kill as a young generation. i look under my song,

i think all here has the doors is 20 years of education is now the more weight of the best time of your life. yeah. then you come to the road. you've cynthia, been trend. you just become a use for piece of it. are a machine or a tool correct to be efficient or tool tool have or so called the security. i think of capitalism uses the connoisseur craig. he to spare everybody to see. because you're doing that, you're safe under, you're in better position. and this is crazy because you don't act you only think your northern knowledge or instantly has structure some kind of knowledge. but to you later said, coverage has become a doctor or, or a lawyer or a wall street treater or, you know, whatever is a profession. i think that his biggest loss of humanity,

i've always said to my children, don't get a job. but i think we have a question from someone, and my name is john parker, i'm a professor in law. you both raised the idea of language, arts and language. and of course is often been said that music or the arts in general are a universal language. but not necessarily as just codification of images and sounds like there's something else happening and i'm interested to know what you believe in your experience is happening universally through the arts and does it require to be universal that everyone is an artist? an artist makes a work if in the process of making the work, the artist has been able to remove enough of themselves and not getting away in other words and leave space for the viewer for you and me

to come and watch and look. then you and me complete the work we make the works. and what that assumes, as you quite rightly say, is that there is a code that we share of color of sound. there are various languages that we share, almost in spite of ourselves. now is that true? is that not true? is it culturally specific or is it not? so for example, i mean just off the top of my head, is there an african for example, notion of the sublime, that i know nothing about is indifferent if you like from the classical western or whatever variation on such a thing. so is it truly universal? you know, does the color red mean the same thing in london that it does in beijing?

i doubt it. i think in raising a means, i'm a good, clearly different how we codify these things. it's complex, but i do believe the main question is, get the artist out of a way, meaning too much to say gets in the way in fact and makes the less good art the understanding of value about her art. it's really very much like taken our drug, hinton, it's a, it's not a natural on, you know, we, we appreciate sense. but as you said, the african people are pressured differences for mom, the white people and i was away. they'd understand the more meant to sound the light the it's very different. i don't think any modern sculptor car rich the same kind of language as africa did as soon as they are brought in.

i'll be only come provide the other experience, which often has they may not even send cough as high sink. hello, my name is melissa penny, and i wanted to ask supervisor of the internet. our social media brady are being made and need that ever before on it. ok, so a rain, what you thought about the surplus of production and consumption of outlook and it is address or an opportunity for to base our test creativity. certainly, ah, internet to our tech technology mom provide us human society some, some we've never experienced that before. and also we don't know how it would affect or, or understanding of value and, or exchange of values and, or even just throw on some saying, you know, and,

but certainly we can see mason's been changed. so surveys use social media and of i phones, the film become, are in crisis. you know, we don't, most people very hard even to go to a c turn to look at the a film and you more because we are used to easily to gather quick information in very short on time. and we cannot have the same kind of patience to see the film i developing or less a story. but we, i, i mean, i take your point about film, you're absolutely right. film has but there are many arts that you have to experience. you know, you can't term just have music if you like online in whatever 4 of it is. um it's especially with classical music. let's say you have to be there and it's the same with painting. it's the same with sculpture. i'm perhaps

very old fashioned in this way of in wow, never be the same to even just like a conversation we had said to, they're there and like i am knowing china. but if we were doing this online, it would be such a different conversation. wouldn't it could be a good fit, but as i though how do they have to realize that's another reality? yes, we read all sorts of signs from each other. gentle, subtle, little signs that tell us things that screams just cult. so i accept it's a different reality of our different i am genevine, i'm a student in london. i've always felt the extraordinary arch macy more than just a consumer in masses. you completely and my question is, how do you make your audience more than just consumers? and i'm pushing is it for you? is artists that people really experience and fully masked in iraq?

i've been for many, many years in zen practice and ins. then my teacher used to say to me all the time she would say, give yourself truly and give yourself into what is being done at this moment. right now. and something happens, you know, when you're truly involved in something, something happens to time. time go somewhere else, it becomes something else. it's as if it doesn't exist. so all job is artist is to be watchful. beauty in other words is everywhere, right? that's right, that's right. that's right. that beauty is everywhere. all we gotta do is grab it right now, way way would in fact, i think it's very hard to be rational. describe from now about the art practice because it is a mythology is what do you believe?

and so what do you believe an artist can re he lou street or sense of time under under place? i think that's a, that's a minimal effects of art makers. so forget or make us are being conscious about some, some been never been conscious that moment as they forget it. oh, so it's a, it's an art a should be a dangerous sent to do, you know is not the is never safe. but of course 99 percent. art is not in the category now. hi, my name's emily balance. and that my question is that we should pieces that you've made the think impacts and why or how i would say none for my work. i did that, which i'm assigned to fine or i was and could create some kind of real impact. and

narrowed can really think that can be called our work most time. but the rather to have a life to grab some values, i think is very important. which to quit doesn't really belong to me, but to the, to every human being. and i think of those values. so ord, protector or society. yeah. more desirable way. yeah. you know, being a bit unfair to yourself, you had one work which had a very particular perspective, the one where you took the steel balls from earthquake and you put them out. and you spoke in that work without saying any words about an uncaring, unable state. tell us about that. is that true?

and that is true that the works i knew mar, would me bizarre ours creek on, which are killed over $5335.00 students. yeah. so i asked as a simple question, who are they on the, what's their name by the inserting environment. this is our national secret. you cannot really asking those questions. so i made this so called the since is a my association. we made a very simple for his back life. now i forget. and this is very essential, but to make that effort, it is difficult and almost finished in my life because i had a confrontational, ah moment face the police i. yes. if you name on to the work that is, have some kind of language and form and peacefully actually is very of bowel and

work. but i have this kind of contradiction about state violence and about how our memory being erased or, but also from a formal book point of view. it's something which i imagine and it's all about the imagination. all that steel was kind of mangled in like that and then you straighten it and you turn it into a kind of minimalist, perfect calm. seen. where is everything? it saying is about the un com about death. this contradictory, that's what makes it art, of course, to take one situation, twisted or straighten it. but i another situation i suddenly thought, and this is a very interesting problem, is it, 1st of all, to, for all, and they all do any so says form go art or, or school for artist. but the most difficulty is what is after?

because so i did a film about the refugees, but her, as we all know, this problem become even much worse. there's silence people bad in the ocean and basically euro ping and not only european but as they want to reach europe. but the hero pin, they push them away, let them die. thought so. ah, yes, i made the film i made many works but. but so what? and in all this moment those, those cases and the women still only mean the darkness. the most important sent about artist honesty besides all the skills yet because honesty relate to our own identity, but a lot is the most difficult. yes. agreed. totally agree. i mean though, i say, yeah, because as an artist i reserve the right to contradict myself to say this and that

and do both together without losing integrity, all honesty. because if we become to wholly about ourselves to wrapped up in the idea that we have some great message for the world with the it's the end. while we must not have agreed mildly to the world. but we have to give ourself a gift. law means may ride. can nies ourself in the miro to say, hey, this is the me so that the moment is very hard to establish, you know, to keep going with us. i think so continue. yes, thank you. anyway. thank you so much. thank lou. if we're going to make sure that we secure this planet for future generations,

we need to learn to love the people who voted for things that we might disagree with. everything is that toxic mass. what we want as a transition out, but you know what? we have is an addicted society in the fossil fuel industry continues to push those addictions. this is a moment for us not to adjust to things that are so fundamentally unjust, ah, ah, a,

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