the a so both of the big, both of them is on the action of the promotion going to be, i'm if the killing all of off live good that was recorded live on cover both motor national searches, what those as on cronyism and a palestinian activist. she says sharina was an important figure for a generation of palestinians. i grew up going to the friends girl school in drama, and she once visited our school. i was around 7 when the intifada the 2nd to father began and so her name and her voice, the tone of her voice in specific was when we would often emulate when we as kids would get together. most of our parents were around the clock watching tv when electricity was available. and so she didn't always just represented the truth. bravely stood, she did not quake. she acknowledged,

when you know her humanness came into play and what she would feel and yet that did not deter her from returning again and again. and again. the areas she's covered in palestine are some of the most resistant, the lead, powerful, impactful regions of our country. and she returned time and time again, which is clearly why this was an intentional assassination. this was a targeted attack. that is what israel does. and you don't have the leading in tech and weapon and surveillance industries, just accidentally fire. i'm using a sniper, least that's not what they say at their weapon expose. and so this was a premeditated attack on, and it was a blow because they know that shitty in is, it's edged into an entire generation. she's edged into a collective memory. well,

not long before her death serene, spoke about what it meant to be a journalist, a 1030 a with a shooting. ah.

the different similarities of cultures across the wow center might have when you call home will. but you can use in current affairs that match with i am at my job, dean and today on the stream we mourn the loss of serene a. barclay and al jazeera journalist, who was killed by israeli forces, and also ask what the international community can actually do to hold israel accountable. mm. sharina bought an iconic palestinian american journalist was covering an israeli army raid on the janine refugee camp in the occupied west bank. when she was shot in the head, she was killed instantly, despite wearing a vest and helmet that clearly identified her as press. her legacy is being

remembered around the world by many. there is truly no words to describe the pain and grief. we feel as we mourn the loss of the brave palestinian journalists. judy in a barclay, i think were all shocked to her still processing. the news were lost, a brave voice. we lost it. brave journalist who was always there on the ground covering israeli continuous crimes. she was murdered in cold blood. exactly for doing so for telling the truth. even though she was visibly and clearly marked as press for the israeli sniper, it's her shot. her and target is her. in her head i. i'm honestly at last that all i can say they wanted to silence sitting, but we will hold her memory and her legacy. joining us today to discuss this obscene crime, it's implications and how it's being covered by international media in ramallah marion, but who t a palestinian researcher and writer. and in amman,

jordan homage socket. he's the israel and palestine director of human rights watch . welcome to this stream. ah, i want to start mattie, i'm by taking a moment and pointing to it sweet that you've been sharing with the world. saying you recall? sure enough stories voice echoing in the house as she covered the brutality of a military invasion. tanks and bombs. when were you were a child that she was the only journo that covered an arrest of yours by soldiers. and then you also remember her as a mentor. obviously i am serene, was, you know, a woman, she was a journalist, she was a human, she was a christian, she was many things i want to ask you, how are you remembering her? and what was your initial reaction to this tragic news? and i think it's the same current reaction. we're all reacting and trying to re, but at the same time, still in disbelief. did city and barclays for it's really and

our entire childhood echo of her voice. especially on al jazeera, especially at a time where nobody covered the father and the grades on palestinian villages. then just the fire and the brute violence her will lead the almighty that just we refer to them as the original is the to staff. and you think she's safe because she's a journalist, she's the senior journalist and she's an american citizen. and she says that trends, and then today we all wake up to the news about shooting, not shooting, giving the news. and i really think that strikes the court. yeah, it's clear to so many who knew her and also who respected her on what you heard, mary, i'm recalling what, what sharina meant beyond even

a journalist for so many what, what was your reaction? how are you feeling? the 1st thing i thought about is that, that the fact that shaheen has been doing this for 2 decades. and then she woke up at 6 or 530 this morning and decided that she had to be herself on the front lines to tell the story of this violent israeli army incursion into jeanine. it's exactly the kind of story the world needs to hear because, you know, in recent days and weeks we've seen palestinian after palestinian, you know, brutally gone down. and shaheen had that conviction to wake up to go there early in the morning. her last email she sent to colleagues that's been shared on social media speaks to this resolve. this determination to tell the truth and it's such a powerful testament to her legacy and her work. i mean, as many and put it so poignantly not only for palestinians that live, you know,

in palestine, but also for palestinians in refugee camps and lebanon in jordan. she was the voice for so many. she told the stories at a time when so few were willing to do so bravely and courageously. and i, i, ah, it's difficult to put into words. you know what, you know, what that means and how, ah, and, and how much were worse off without her telling those stories. and on a day like today, there's been so much being said, politically by israel, by the military, by israel leaders. we've seen, for example, on twitter, the embassy of israel saying they had a video that shows that it was palestinian gunfire that actually killed sherry. and of course, there's also this follow up a tweet saying there was no claim that the gunfire killed serene. a block lay so backtracking, and it seems as though we've seen in just 30 minutes ago, the us state department spokesperson saying they trust that israel has the

wherewithal to investigate this and to, to hold those people responsible accountable. it's exhausting to talk about this without seeing any accountability for year after year, decade after decade. i'll not. do you have any faith that this will be prosecuted? there is no one can have stated these haley government will investigate its own abuses because we have decades of its practices whitewashing abuses. it's the same script. i mean again, israel has been systematically routinely using excessive force gunning down journalists. let's not forget the gaza march of return when we last. yes, yes. at morticia and other palestinian journalists, and the un commission of inquiry wrote a report at the time where they wrote that israeli forces shot at quote, journalists performing their job, knowing who they are. the israeli government follows the exact same script. they

misdirect, they lie. ah, they hope this will just get buried away. the international community, all too often is complicit in this same formulation. so it's critical. you know, that, that, that we, we challenge we push, we speak out, we don't let the same script happen again. right? and you know, when we talk about not letting the same script happen again, i wonder marianne, i'm sure you've seen, for example, i am on my head. dean who used to work for al jazeera, now works for nbc news, tweeting and commenting about this. he wrote on twitter, the israeli military and the israeli government are incapable of carrying out an impartial and fair investigation in the killing of city in about an hour. it is imperative that a thorough and independent international lead in the investigation is conducted. when you see these calls from people who we know for, for, for a long time, are aware of kind of why there is no accountability. do you have any hope that things can change? what are the steps that need to be taken? it's almost demoralizing to keep asking that question without any change

it is, and i think the issue is that we're asking the wrong questions. i think we need to come to a point where we need to ask ourselves. why are we so uncomfortable with the idea of a liberated palestine from the river to the sea? and once we come to a conclusion to that, we can either stay or inherent racism or we can start mobilizing forward because that's the crux of the issue, right? the entire narrative has revolved around israeli concerns israeli live and the idea of palestinian live, the idea of shifting a block lay shaking the world makes us uncomfortable. and that's where i think we really need to head towards for change, right? the u. n. has legitimized israel that you and is basically a monarchy of 6 states with veto power that's just recently being challenged. and

israel thrives off of it. colonialism of palestinians. we are literally lab bride for psycho social warfare. them graphic engineering, aerospace technology, surveillance technology. and really that's what makes it thrive. it's not just shifting. it's really not just shifting. and i, it's, i think shooting is just a spark in anything to really allow and see how deep this is. yeah, and just for those watching at home, if you're joining us on youtube, we invite you to give your thoughts, your questions or comments on sharina legacy and the larger implications of her death. and we will share those views throughout the show. i want to ask you this tweet from and bastard tom night. he thing very sad to learn the death of american palestinian journalist. he goes on to use the word encourage, referring to an investigation that he wants to happen. i'm and he didn't posted

this. i'm referring to it again because, you know, he's saying that the word encourages to weak terminology. aside, we've seen some sort of strange, new reality is the normalization of the disproportionate power dynamic even of the left, the boston globe writer. if you look at this tweet thing, what is strange revealing thing for an israeli military spokesman to say as a preemptive defense of killing a palestinian journalist, he's referring of course to the part where a military both person today said they're armed with cameras. if you'll permit me to say so that referring to justifying the fact that even if she was targeting that somehow there's a justification for this. when you see how, you know, western leaders continue to say one thing, but then allow israel to act with impunity to not properly investigate, to not hold that people accountable. given your work, i mean, where do you think the conversation needs to go? i think my d m is absolutely right that, you know,

the issue with shootings killing is not simply a case of bad apples or, you know, an abuse that's committed. we're talking about a structural violence. we're talking about an underlying daily reality where every day palestinians face either the cold, institutional violence of a system dedicated to the domination of one people over another or the hot violence . you know, of bloodshed, of, of palestinians gone down, which happens on a, on a routine daily basis. and i think too long the international community tries to focus on, you know, one, you know, even when they want to, let's say that the example where there is no, absolutely no argument otherwise, you know, it's, it's, these bland calls about investigations. we saw what 4 months ago when, when a palestinian american man all but i said is similar script for but for months goes, you know, outrage calls for investigation and quickly the story fades into the background.

and you know, meanwhile the violence against policies in repression continues on a daily basis. so i think we need to recognize reality for what it is we need to listen to palestinian voices like those of, of medium in those on the ground. yeah, i think would be to fundamentally shift the paradigm and we need to hold a take action ultimately to end complicity with these serious crimes and to hold the perpetrators account up. and when we talk about shifting the paradigm, obviously it's imperative that we do that in the mainstream media on line in every corner that this discussion is being had. i wanna share with you something sharif monsoon from the committee to protect journalists, had to say about this. take a listen. we are the committee to protect journalists, are calling for an immediate and transparent investigation by bought a piece for the killing of the cedar correspondent. should he in a block we know that those investigations are been the result of nothing.

and this is why we also think today is the reminder for the you an inquiry into the actions of both parties, again, the soonest, including the killing of at least 8 teams on the list to our current since 1992. you know, i'm out there have been countless headlines. if you look at this one from the new york times syrian about play, trailblazing, palestinian journalists dies at 51. you know, it's, it's become strange, you know, to even discuss sort of the way in which israel erased from being an aggressor from being accountable for murdering children for bombing hospitals. schools. we covered this on this network. it's seldom as covered on other networks. i wonder what you think will actually bring about that shift in paradigm that you say is so badly needed or in the mainstream media. do you see any signs of hope?

look, i do think there's been a shift and i think that shift is the, is the product to us, palestinian organizing and advocacy over many, many years. and i think that's resulting and increasing consciousness in the international community. but it's not enough. it's not going far enough, it's still we still see repetition of the same sorts of you know, miss framing. miss analysis misinformation consistently thrown around. so i think it's important that you know, as, as medium put it, that we continue to amplify and a policy of voices we, you know, we need to listen to those voices and perspectives even when, when it's hard and when it challenges some of our foundational you know, thinking, i do think there's been a shift, but obviously that shift wasn't enough to, to stop the bullet that killed shanina wasn't strong enough to hold israel accountable. you know, for it's, it's, it's systematic daily violence, repression and apartheid against palestinians. so we need to keep doing more fit and, and i hope the days ahead. we'll see more of that. and, you know,

marry him when you see comments, whether from congresswoman richie the plague, who called for a moment of silence, you know, today in washington, dc or even from andre carson of indiana, saying i joined countless others in mourning. the death of al jazeera journalist should in a barclay who was killed by israel's military, while on assignment, the u. s. must hold the israeli government accountable for this and all other acts of unjust violence. it commits when you see more and more people speaking out, whether in a tweet or what have you do, do you feel there is a shift as we heard, amada, outline i. this is where i'm going to have to differentiate. i feel the shift, but unfortunately for shaheen and unfortunately for all of us here trying to move forward, it means nothing. if it's not followed by action, i'm really happy. we're reaching this awareness, but it really needs to move forward now. ah, man, accountability means stop arming. israel invest the american tax dollars and

building a health care system in the u. s. invest them in ending racism so you don't have it . so you don't elect a president wants to. busy the wall on to ban immigrants and puts children in cages, maybe kind of shit that there. so we really need to move forward in that as wonderful as it is this diplomatic language. it really means nothing on the ground . right. and you know, speaking of a lot of people in youtube, i should say are saying this is not the 1st time israel killed palestinian journalist. this is adventure con, saying international organizations still keep silent. you know, the western media is also silent. and you know, that's part of why we want to talk about this and talk about serene as a human. you say it's not enough, mary, i'm and i know that you're not alone in feeling that way. if you look at this tweet from dahlia, how do i, she's a friend of sharina. she says, my sweet girl, i can't believe this. what justice is there in this world? there is none. as long as you live under israel's military rule,

they will say they will investigate. what does it matter? she's gone not to get to existential, obviously a powerful rhetorical question, their own. what does it matter? ah, you know, let's, let's go with that doesn't matter if there will be an independent investigation, doesn't matter if western leaders will start to pressure israel, it matters if it can actually change the reality on the ground. i think maybe it was absolutely right to point to the fact that, well, there has been some shift in the framework and the paradigm which is critical and important until it actually results and changing the reality on the ground for palestinians. it's not enough, but our, our goal here is to prevent, to do what we can't to end complicity in israel scribes prevents, you know, down the road more of this from happening and that's only going to come with real action. i think many of identified some of the things that need to stop, you know, and i think it starts with forms of completed city, whether it be, you know,

business operations, arm sales, all these things that further entrench, daily, systematic violations that take place. i think we q often when it comes to israel, palestine exceptional eyes, you know what's necessary, but the bottom line is we need to hold, you know, israel to the same standards of other countries that commit crimes against humanity, war crimes and other abuses. and the disconnect between the rhetoric, the analysis, the framework that we see applied to the ukraine, to chide his treatment of the weaker and into the way that policies are shared by israel. that needs to and, and you know, just for people who are not aware of the contacts, i want to share this with our audience also put this to you, mary. m. between 20202022. in just 2 years, 6 palestinian journalists were killed and occupied west bank and gaza. that's according to the palestinian journalist syndicate. more than half have been killed in the last 20 years of the 86 palestinian journalists that have been killed since the 1967 war. the syndicate also documents more importantly, mary m,

between $5700.00 attacks a year by israel on journalists. and as someone who's reported on the ground for both al jazeera and for vice, in both cases, attacked and seemingly targeted. but certainly al jazeera has a certain cache for better or worse and a certain targeting. what can you share with us about your experience there on the ground and what you think can actually pressure israel to be ah, to be more mindful that journalists must be protected. ah, well, for starters all mainstream media need to stop hiring senior correspondence as israel ease, while not hiring palestinian correspondence under the pretext that we can't be objective ah met. israel needs to be held accountable for every crime it held against every journalist, but more importantly for the reason why they kill them. and that is that they are palestinian. it is not a disrespect for press, it is

a disrespect. and at this value of human life, that is palestinian. when you see a correspondence from cnn, from the new york times, or from b, b, c. and they're international, they automatically do have more protection. but these, what happened today with the shit ain shows you how micro aggressions will escalate . so eventually israel will be even more emboldened and even the international senior correspondence won't be safe. just like give, give out a good day at a last year. and shift giraffe was being attacked brutally by israeli border. police begging and yelling saying don't touch me, i'm press and we didn't pay enough attention and now we're getting killed. so we also really need to pay attention to that as media news agency. there's, there, there is a duty you had that duty to uphold. ah, you know, when you talk about duties, there are also human rights organizations,

including that salem on the ground that has been debunking a lot of the propaganda that israel has been publishing today, including the suggestion that it was palestinian gun fire that killed sharina. take a look at this common that was sent to us from the executive director of salem. as always, israel tried initially to shift the blame, the prime minister, the foreign minister, the minister of defense, and the idea of spokesperson all propagated the narrative. and based on the short video clip, suggesting that it was put us in gunfire that the killed stair journalist, however, they would set them feel researcher to they this morning. and jenny easily refuted this false narrative was very clear to go and straight. that there is no way that the footage that stays with the army was propagating, is footage of gun fire. that could have hit the journalists. it seems online and even with the work of the salem and human rights watch and amnesty and many other

human rights organizations, especially the palestinian lead ones that we are still not having the paradigm shifts. ah, and, and the accountability. more importantly, are you encouraged at all by this sort of work in these partnerships? i think there's a unique moment where there is a clear shared sense of the reality on the ground that that spans from palestinian and in palsied human rights groups have been doing this, of course, for decades. israeli international groups. there's a, there's a consensus across the human rights movement that israeli authorities are committing crimes against humanity, apartheid and persecution against millions of palestinians. there's a sense that there is a single government policy from the jordan river to the mediterranean sea that's aimed at preserving that, the domination of one people at the expense of another. and there is increasing efforts across civil society organizations, you know, to push for real consequences to be imposed on these railey government. and i think

that's a really unique moment that we're in. again, it's not yet translated into shifts in the policies of governments around the world, and that's a failure of the human rights movement. i think we need to acknowledge and accept that reality, that while we may have a shared assessment, you know that the international community came too late to that policies have been describing their lived reality for years, a decade that not enough bus listened. so it's important. it's happening, but for it to actually matter, we need to actually translate that paradigm shift into changes on the ground. and we're frankly not there yet. we're not close. and you know, when we, when we look at certain leaders like president biden, when he said just last week at the white house correspondents association, dinner, we honor journalists killed, missing imprison, detained and tortured, covering war, exposing corruption and holding leaders accountable. i just, you know,

i wonder there's so much rhetoric around how much we protect and honor journalists and then very little action when, you know they're a certain type of journalist or when geo politics goes against that truth. so thank you so much for being with us. both how much and mary, i'm going to have to end the conversation there. a deal with

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