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[000:00:00;00] ah, [000:00:00;00] a this is all, these are the top stories, israeli forces have beaten mourners. you had a student journalist,
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actually. people struggled to hold on to her coffee and he fell to the ground. united nations security council has condemned the killing officers. ugly. un also said it was shocked by footage of mourners being attacked by israeli forces. well, we, we've just seen the video coming from this and it's, and it's very shocking to us. ah, obviously we'll try to gather more information about exactly what's happened here. but it clearly, i as in all cases, we want to make sure that the basic right to freedom of assembly and, and of course the right to freedom of peaceful demonstration are, are protected and upheld white house press. secretary jennifer sarky said she was disturbed after seeing pictures of the violent attack. we have all seen those images. they are obviously deeply disturbing. we, this is a day where we should all be marking, including everyone there. the memory of remarkable journalist who lost her life on
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we know that there is a, with a disturbing footage from the funeral procession procession today in jerusalem. we regret the intrusion to what should have been a peaceful procession. we've earned respect for the funeral procession. the mourners and the family at the sensitive time. the president of united emerett sends bruno of its capital with darby has been laid to rest. jarae has announced 40 days of mourning, forsake cliff. i've been sighted on my own focus presently, shipments high up as one says, he opposes sweden and finland joining nato because they host what he calls terrorist organizations. he made the comments a day off to fin and said it would apply to join the block and sweden, for many fantasies. at least 27 people have died in a fire that broke out in a building in india's capital city face in new delhi say more than 40 people are in hospital and dozens of others have been rescued. there's other headlines. news
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continues here in august era of the inside story. ah, hosta, killing al jazeera journalist, sharing a block layer. these wiley, army beats warners during her funeral, as she is left to right. how can palestinians use her death to highlight israel's crimes? and can they win the battle for global public opinion? this is inside story. ah
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hello and welcome to the program. i am hashem, i had bought a funeral, has been held at a roman catholic church in the occupied east. jerusalem for veteran al jazeera journalist stood in a barclay. she was killed by his rally. forces on wednesday should, in was buried next to the grave of her parents of the mount zion protestant cemetery. she was shot in the hat in the occupied west bank while covering grades by israeli soldiers in janine. but before the funeral service is waiting for says attack those carrying her body. the mourners struggle to hold on to her coffin and is ready. so just charged them while they were trying to bring it from a hospital to the hers. the day before her body had been taken to lamar la, where state memorial was held for her. are the presidential compound israeli forces have carried out more ways in janine in the occupied west bank was sure when was
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killed, several people have been injured. israel has been carrying out near daily rates since march, with dozens killed and arrested during the operations. it says its actions are a response to palestinian attacks. ah, lettering and our guests from occupied east jerusalem. when near no say both a professor of international law at what's university from tennessee, francesca albanese is the un special rapport chore on the occupied policy in territory. and affiliates con of georgetown university and from tel aviv i gave l. dar is a political analyst and contributor for these rally newspaper her. it's welcome to the program or more near. now that sharina black line has been led to rast, the al jazeera channel, the e u, the policy and authority,
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the united nations continued to say that those who killed her must be held accountable. do you see that happening anytime soon? i have to be optimistic despite the fact that i am genuinely not optimistic, that the history has shown us that many crimes that have taken place in the occupied athenian that i have not been that the perpetrators have not been held accountable so far. and this is the sad that he entity and this is because of a continuous unlimited support for is it i and from its friends and partners who might sometimes get the size or some of the actions that is that i conduct but at the same time shield is that i and from any sanctions, as well as a friend from supporting a palestine, an attempt to seek justice at the international criminal court. nonetheless. and i have to continue to be optimistic on human rights defender. we are working continuously on documenting human rights violations,
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analyzing these human rights violations, according to international law, and speaking to the international community, asking it to intervene in the way that they would intervene in any other situation . i mean, we, we can see how the western countries have interacted now with the invasion of ukraine. and they have done that, you know, they have conducted sanctions and they're taking a lot of measures in order to convince russia to step back from this invasion. and this makes sense, and the same should be implemented also in palestine. ok, and of course, you know, yes. let me go to francesca. now, after the outpouring, if emotions from palestinians, barley is behind the need to start a genuine investigation into what happened to city and a block land tackle the need for putting an end to impunity is where this is something that has been occurred by international human rights organizations,
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do you have any plan to address both issues here, why it's violations targeting of policy and journalist and impunity? oh yes, you need 1st let, let me put in context this key because i think this is also part of my, of my work. and the key and wounding and meaning of join us is, are widespread in the series of human rights violations that take place, you know, to palestine. there are 20 journalist who have been killed. hundreds injured over the past, the past to 2025 years. and the level of accountability is very poor. so in these ads on the level on community for the way spread, the targeting civilians in general. and you know, this is what i investigate what i will investigate on
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a regular basis. and what i, what i wish to add is that this level of mileage is part and parcel, or even avoidable is part and parcel of your to patients there need to do to patient. it takes a lot of abuse and violence to keep the population of palestine without writing and subjugated. and yes, what are we looking to eat as part of the my mandate including or how the vital role of the journalist is undermined. especially at a moment where is ray and palestinian civil society voices are targeted with increasing repressions and there is no way otherwise to understand the reality on the ground. if no one talks about that, ok,
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for how would you characterize the way these right. a government has been handling the aftermath of the killing of children of walker and the international backlash. well, i think i think that the both sides civically taking advantage of this tragedy shearing is bad. i knew her personally, i admired her work and i'm very upset. is that the president of the senior? so if he margin was deaf to blame it on his well befall is rarely even started. the inquiry on the other hand is, well, i was rushing to blame it on the terrorists. i think that if sharina was not a famous journalist and the international community
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followed this event closely, i think that she would, we added to a long list of fatalities that were said before part of the a few patients. i believe that in no time you are hero israelis, blaming the international community for devin standards. i just checked, and i'm sure that this will be mentioned that the in the last 2 months for teaming journalists were killed in the ukraine, the wall. and do you know their names? this is what they will ask. you know, you don't. so it's part of the m p. 's wally, be the as anti semitism and so on. on the other hand, a member of news, lately cabinet, who was the spokesman over the army? not one try a coach for an independent investigation because he said, that is my last is credibility. in such occasions, francesca,
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as an expert in international law working for the n is the un dealing now with your mandate is about a document in human rights by is addressing them in the policy you occupy territory . give us a sense about how to move forward, what are the tools that you have to bring about the case and what, how will you be handling it as far as these way the government is concerned because they seem to be very much now in denial about and irresponsibility. i look, i think it doesn't matter if they are in denial or not. i think i agree with has been said that the pressure because of the shooting was the pressure on the concerned part is israel is very high at the moment. so it's all expected to extend corporation 20 independent investigation. i don't think
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that it should be in the lead of this investigation for one simple reason because what is needed is independence. transparency rieger that so far these re, your investigative system, a shortfall of the justice system in general, israel has been confirmed, but the reason a decision is supreme court on the case on a yeah he's, i'm sorry to say part and parcel over over maintaining and policy your to patient. so what is to happen is that independent experts are given the possibility to investigate and then you form the investigation of the overall situation
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or style that he's being carried out by the i c, c, prosecutor, a which we don't know much yet. but i can tell when it concerns you concerns journalist, just recently international federation of daughter of journalists as meeting a formal complaint to the cord on the name of for the name of for journalist with together with the bombing of to be your power for, for a prom investigation. so this is the of course of action. i mean, we'll see when it, do you see this as a moment to bring about the issue of the killing of manager odyssey and journalists over the last few years and by the senior authorities saying that they are adamant about the need to take the tail of an issue in a bach letter, the international criminal court. well, it's very important that at the end of the day,
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the international committee court fixes to responsibility on the case of shooting broccoli. we have been waiting now for a long time for the international criminal court to intervene in the way that that is supposed to intervene. and now it has confirmed that has jurisdiction and we expect the international committee quote to start taking action. and, but also it's very important to say that is that it has been over the years not cooperating with different human rights operations that are ongoing by, for example, the united nations, the procedures and all the like. for example, all the special report dues of the occupied palestinian territory. and like a guests for breakfast that had been easy and have not been allowed to enter the palestine am. and this is something that has to change if it has any claim of seeking a truth, then they have to allow that independent experts like head on or to like that. and
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that, and good commission of inquiry that was founded last year by their not admissions. they should be allowed to enter, they should be allowed to meet with civil society. they should be allowed to investigate on their own and find evidence. but unfortunately, over the years we have been seeing that it has like every possible and you and procedure that seeks to find truth or seeks to find justice and at the same time. what is very unfortunate is that many of the states in the word, for example, that of b annuity in the united kingdom, united states and others are boycotting item 7, which is an item in the human rights council and meetings and sessions in geneva with that issue of but a stand is being discussed at 3 times a year and they are by cutting it. and this is very sad while they might condemned in some cases or austin is as actions as they are acting in
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the international adena in a very different way. all right, that is not consistent with it. words akiva or you get a somehow a sense that these ready government is more concerned about not losing the p r. war as far as the aftermath of the kiddos. see that i walk let is concerned because from day one they said, no, it's not us though they said we blame it on these right? if i to, i won't about it's indian fighters. now they seem to be somehow backtracking saying that we're investigating a case where the fire may have come from is where the soldiers yeah, and the good news is that unlike the previous governments, headed by an attorney now and they're radically right now we have loosen in policy a month. so our boss who is still a member of the coalition as well as the merits and the labor party and the prime minister,
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been it has to take them into consideration and likely have mr. knox mankind. the minister that i mentioned before, he's a member of the labor party. so they have to look into this from a political angle. on the other hand, if they will allow an impartial investigation by independent inquiry. like if you remember what happened was which goes on in 2009 when he was born quoted by israel . and then he regretted that the minutes he was tempted to join this community had this committee. so i believe that at the end of the day, i mutually investigation is not possible a joint israeli palestinian investigation because just imagine, do we expect to allow up on the scene in to interview israeli soldiers. on the other hand,
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the israeli members of the committee will interview members of the come on the day consider hours. so yes is while is more concerned about p r. then before is what i'm now has to take into consideration. also its relationship was cut towel. taco was saying, major was in try to quiet guys in the mosque and be around a quote. so it has got something to lose. on the other hand, we don't see functional, see, israel is enjoying complete impunity in the best case, even if it's rarely soldiers will be found accountable for this. i don't want to be a disciplinary process. i remember that when i did this kind of inquiries, it ended up was almost nothing. they will say that this is,
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that was zone and they generally are well part of the, the whole game and they pay the price. there's other civilians. ok francesca, you've just heard what i gave her husband saying, and when you look at it, the potential for army generals will prosecute the own soldiers for the case of or should in a block there are, will, is slim here. and the u. s. the e u. the u. k. generally speaking, have done their best to shelve any united nations report about human rights violations in the policy and occupy a territory. so the outcome looks samba in a way or another. yes, i see that argument and i also agree with that. you know, the problem is addressing the root cause of the situation. there are 2 things to,
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to comments. i like to make here on the one hand and the case of shearing must investigated. as we have said, independently, on the other hand, he's teaching a lesson violence on an impunity only brings to alliances. so in the abuse we need to zoom out from, from the specificity of the situation. and i really encourage the actors, you know, the political actors, you mentioned to stop using an ad hoc, an emergency you many time in wrestling when approaching the mission of palestine. the situation occupies palestine is not debt to the emergency. if, if, unless we have a standing as a man made one except political reality dominated by one spread abuses and violence that requires
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a huge and political action. starting with the dismantlement of the patient and the supplement enterprise, i see no other way to go to get out of the passage then discussing how to fish. ok, and why are just running in circle we're, we do understand the reason why there's this squabble over the semantics of the investigation. but don't just see that ultimately, if you have is rarely experts, a law with policy in experts with an oversight from the united nations, the u. s. that could be the ideal outcome. i don't see the reason why this is needed and isn't it knows who shook the bullet already and it has the capacity just in the same way that we see that is that it has the capacity to find any palestinian they want. if they even posted something on facebook, or if they added
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a weapon or whatever and they would go into it. but it's tinian cities and villages in order to edit them and prosecute them at regardless of any difficulties and obstacles in their way. why is this? is that a intelligence not intelligent enough to find their own and criminals and why? when they find these criminals, they don't prosecute them? it's because of the original problem. it's because of the way the system is built, the system is built to protect. it's put additions to protect it's a military men and that to make sure that they are not prosecuted because see is human rights organizations? ab athenian is a hayley and international have concluded that this is an apartheid regime. and that it is actually and dominating the palestinians, and it is creating and organizing its legal system in a way engineering and sneak system in
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a way that would eventually make sure that the palestinians are kept dominated. actually, we could see this in the way that funeral was held today, and the police was just running after people and, and hitting people with, with this, fix it, the people who are actually carrying that the coffin of the monster. and it's part of their domination. they want to show us that they are in control, that people cannot express their feelings, they cannot express that anger. they cannot get punished indian flag and they cannot at be sat in the way that they want to be said. okay, so this is, this is, that is him and that is the problem with that. his iep is actually it's laws and it's legal system and it's court and this is something that has been concluded. so, okay, want to find just sure they can do it immediately. let's all forward we have as you have very few other issues to tackle here. akiva, do you think that the very nature of these rarely governing coalition is one of the
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reasons that will decide the outcome of what happens next? because the prime minister is really pretty much concerned about give an indication that a concession to the palestinians about it in a block that could be seen as a sign of weakness. absolutely. his is hands are dyed one hand by members of his own faulty yamida who are threatening to bring down the coalition to government. and as i mentioned before, by the muslim party, a, by my so boss, actually my would have us is not part of this game. they don't take him into consideration. but i think that the context that these where he's see this event is that it happened few days after 3 israelis were killed, were butchered civilians, innocent. but by to put
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a senior youngster probably coming from jenny. so i'm not going to justify what happened in jenny and the killing of fishery, but trying to analyze the israeli point of view. if you do a public fall, if bennett god is doing it, what it will find out, the israelis care more about the threat of terrorism coming mainly from refugees from or the janine refugee k. then what happened to hearing on this is, this is very unfortunate because this is a vicious circle that is not going to answer. i don't, i'm really afraid scientist had a less than a minute. these righty, governments made it clear when your name was 1st presented to take over the post of the united nations. that oper tool for the policy occupy territory
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accusing you of being a biased person. the americans, as we said, and along with the internet, with some key players, the europeans and the u. k. have always been very skeptical about the reports over a human rights council. how, how are you planning to move forward? well, let me, let me share a consideration i have on the momentous reality we are leaving also because of the tragic word that it's taking place in ukraine in this situation as giving me a sense of hope in the fact that in these countries like those who have criticized the human rights counselor a say i can 7 of the human rights counselors are getting is well. well, it gives me the sense that this country still believe that, you know, in an international order premise,
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the international law. because at the moment everyone is an expert about the human rights and international. my and i am not being violated in your grade. i see and incredible blind disconnect between, between these arguments. these are holding. thank you, rightly so the international law to pan is fine. so i eventually boils down to, to political, will that be my whole course? what i see, what i say is basically it based on international humanitarian law enforcement, or it can be challenge absence. not my intention will have to live with a cave, i'll done francisco, but as a one year, no say, but i really appreciate your insight. thank you. and thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a jane size for you can also join the conversation on twitter. i would 100,
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