literally diverse that may well be how democracy does the truth illusion all out. just either how to states control information. how does the narrative inform public opinion? how is citizen journalism re framing the story? be it online? on an or in print for listening post dissects the media on al jazeera ah o israeli forces beat up mourners. during the funeral of al jazeera journalist showing a claim causing her coughing to almost fall to the ground. on with the disturbing footage and from the funeral procession procession today in jerusalem, we regret the intrusion. what should have been a peaceful procession?

the white house expresses regret, all sorts of condemning the attack during actions few ah, ontario, this is al jazeera life and dough, with our ongoing, extensive coverage of a killing of cherry tree that was lay to lay to rest at mount zion and occupied east jerusalem. 2 days after she was shot dead by israeli forces and an icon on the arab speaking world, we look back at sharon's remarkable career and the legacy she's behind. ah, we begin with a special tribute to our murdered colleague, sharina. she's been laid to rest at the cemetery and occupied east jerusalem. but a funeral procession was disrupted to an israeli forces attacked mourners carrying

her casket fronting widespread condemnation. sharin was shot in the head by israeli forces on wednesday morning on, on assignment in janine in occupied west bank, stephanie decker begins our coverage from occupied east jerusalem. o. thousands came to say their goodbyes. many who are feeling the new sharina personally. that's how much you connected with her audience. telling the story of her people and now becoming the store. oh, a whole lot of people around the world. how can people know that what israel's doing is a good time and they deal help with the occupation? she long reported on a just as the coffin started its final journey to the church.

ah, mourners were pushed and beaten by his ready forces as a storm. the hospital square, the pull berries retreating. her coffin nearly falling to the ground. ah, for to police in riot gear. on horseback, baffling scenes. at least one man pulled out of the hearse, is really forces also removing palestinian flag there. i knew they were not going to let this day go by peacefully. i was on the frontline when we were trying to exit the hospital while they were carrying her casket and a troop. they were stager stormed and they were beating up everyone. it was very frightening to the owner who is also tension when she reads

body arrived outside the church in the christian quarter of the old city crowds filling the small streets. this ancient city. a at once the coffin made it inside, granted more peace shooting the bodily brooch, the message of every post in our suffering dog brigitte of life not to be associated. 2 but to be nurtured. 7 c to was shot dead in the occupied west bank. along the assignment in the janine refugee camp. her funeral procession was joined by thousands of palestinians, a show of the widespread affection and admiration she had earned to her years ever putting in their lives law. she never waka was buried next to her parents at the mount zion cemetery. both her parents died in the early stages of her career and

never knew how loved and respected she become. the crowds of gone, the family has gone. sharon's grave has now been sealed, but even after her death she continued to tell the palestine story. stephanie decker al jazeera in occupied is jerusalem. the al jazeera media network reacted to israeli forces, attacking mourners and obstructing sheen's funeral procession saying it violates all norms and international laws. though so says it holds the israeli government fully responsible for the safety and security of all the mourners and showings harmony. as on jimmy, i don't know, jimmy. it's a catastrophe for all of us. it's painful, god willing, we will do all that. we can to hold those responsible accountable. she rings, blood will not go in vain. she ring was killed in cold blood before on all of us. this will only increase our persistence to continue our coverage, assassinating sure. rain is an attempt to kill the palestinian story on al jazeera

. mm hm. yeah. but they failed in achieving such a goal. killing charade will make al jazeera and the world more persistent and covering the palestinian issue. it proves our professionalism and the just nature of the palestinian issue with the by an administration has given him you to the response to the killing of assuring. i was actually a white house correspondent. kimberly hackett has more as mourners attending journalists, serene abu ack laced funeral were attacked by israeli security forces. white house press secretary gen saki, simply called it an intrusion, but refused to condemn the attacks. copays images, deeply disturbing of israeli police a beating mourners. we're carrying this casket so that we regret the intrusion. you condemn his actions? i think when we said they were disturbing, we, obviously we're not, we're not justifying them, but i think i will leave my comments at what i said, go ahead. but her answers didn't sit well with reporters who pressed for an

explanation as to why president biden is allowing israel a u. s. l i that receives billions annually and military funding to treat sharon's funeral and the investigation into her death, an american citizen. with such disrespect, american journals, i can in your green, nobody with one investigation. it's been point there. you know, house the russians. why is ready to get away with this? why not put in put an independent wiring fisma policy has not been israel is capable investigating itself. we understand that there are investigations by both sides. we've offered our assistance to the israelis, to the palestinians, and we are prepared to provide that. should they want it still when asked if president biden had even contacted sharon's family, or if he would use his leverage with the israelis to bring sharina killers to account. this was the answer that the president would request to speak with. he is

really government directly with the ongoing i don't have any calls to predict at this point in time. the president himself appeared a short time later, but had little to add. i don't know all the detail, but i know it has to be investigated. indeed, despite an american journalist being killed, president biden refused to condemn the attacks on mourners at her funeral. even as earlier in the day, president biden met with king abdullah of jordan in the oval office to discuss the escalation of violence between israelis and palestinians. in the region, the un security counts as condemning the telling of serene, but has not mentioned israel by name. in a statement, it said it strongly condemned the killing of palestinian american journalist sharina. i will actually, and that it conveyed its sympathy and deepest condolences to sherman's family. it also called for an immediate flora transparent and fair and impartial investigation

into her killing and reiterated that journalists should be protected as civilians. initial reports by these early military says it's difficult to determine the exact source of gunfire which killed sri, but it's not ruling out faults by israeli soldiers, according to is where the media military says it's inquiries. looking at 2 scenarios, one that sharin was hit by palestinians who find bullets. tours is very military vehicles. the 2nd that is very soldier returning fire and adversity hit her. witnesses and the palestinian health ministry says she was hit by it was where the gunfire al jazeera is a senior political analyst. my one be shower says there is an israeli assassination unit, which has targeted palestinians for decades. for many of us, it is not just the question of who pulled the trigger. it's not even the question of what the trigger is. the caution will give the orders for those specialized forces in assassination dove to run this special israeli military unit like

sampson. they are specialized in assassination. they have acted in the dark for the past 40 years. 35 years since 1987. they are form to carry these sorts of operations against palestinians are still inactive, i suppose in demonstrators and clearly or storm floors for that matter. and clearly it was in this particular context and janine where shauryn was killed was assassinated by one of those assassination units. so it's those who are devising that the colonial policy goes into defense minister who are giving the orders to those young soldiers. you know, maybe this is because some of us are getting old, but i tell you, i looked at some of the soldiers. it looks like they were not born back then in 2002, when jeanine was then attack occupied, invaded and dozens of better simians were killed in that invasion of the refugee

camp. and here you have a new generation of israeli soldiers carrying the same atrocities, carrying the same assassinations in this vicious cycle of violence that will not end without their leaders, their government taking a different course than the one they are doing. now let's take a look back now the extraordinary life of our friend and colleague and the legacy she leaves the state like funeral for a journalist who dedicated her life to the struggle for freedom. i sharina barkley was killed by israeli soldiers on wednesday, but the veteran journalists legacy will live on the while she was alive. she was an icon in the arb speaking world, and by murdering her israel has now insure it. her name has transcended even its own militarized checkpoints and borders reaching people the world over. ok,

we were standing here, what i know, what? no, but the book is born in 1971 surely. and grew up under the harsh reality of an illegal occupation that continues to strip millions of palestinians from their most basic rights in which was her quest for freedom that drove her to eventually pursue a career in journalism. korean had initially studied civil engineering as per her parents wishes. but her determination to seek the truth to manifest her freedom through journalism and to speak truth to power was too strong. she switched careers and eventually graduated with a degree in print journalism from the mac university in neighboring jordan. she began her professional career working for the united nations refugee agency on her way before moving on to the voice of palestine. and then frances monte carlo radio station knows that it's ok. the news that id as a relatively unknown 26 year old sharina joined al jazeera shortly after the channel launched the mean actually have off. what i did,

i mean she seen in this clip with doors from bureau chief, a little almighty at the introduce her to the audience both unaware of the impact she would go on to have both in life and jala had this. trina barkley quickly became a household name to her coverage of the 2nd father and the crimes committed by the israeli occupation during its invasion from online and surrounding cities in the early, 2, thousands speaking calmly yet confidently. her distinctive voice relate. stories from the refugee comes in eagle checkpoints and even from inside israel's prisons, the more she reported the more israeli forces and settlers tried to silence her. but she never lost her composure, nor her determination. beyond palestine, should he and also reported from cairo, london, new york, and other cities around the world. she wasn't just a mentor to young girls and boys who watched her on their screens. the veteran

reporter also took journalism at b. c. university empowering youth through education and providing young people living under a brutal occupation with some hope that their voices will one day be heard should in dedicated her life to giving a voice to the voiceless. her silenced voice must now be amplified by press. freedom advocates to bring her colors to justice. her body may be buried, but should, in a barclay's name shall live on cheating of all kinds of data. i'll put some time, was to the head on al jazeera to dean, was no ordinary journalist and no ordinary human being. palestinians speak of serene as their voice against israeli occupation. we'll hear more stories, friends, and cookies, plus the moment of truce will come. ukraine's foreign minister asks g southern nations to take further action against moscow.

ah, african stories from african perspective, short documentaries, from african filmmakers from zimbabwe. we were pioneers of how economists could change the way we distribute. good, daphne, sorry, be happy to go into a physical store so dont ivory copes and he's gone. fresh farm fishing woods and the shot africa direct on al jazeera. there's a wave of sentiment around the world if you will. she won't accountability from the people who are running their countries. and i think often people's voice is not heard because it's not part of the mainstream news narrative. obviously we cover the big stories and report on the big events that are going on, but we will say tell a story to people generally don't have a voice. and then one other child my that's never be afraid to put your hand up. no,

ask a question and i think that's what i'm really does. we ask the question for people who should be accountable. and also we get people to give their view of what's going on. again, culture dominates america's underworld, but has it permeated lauren enforcement itself? they want exactly what every gang member wants, a power and control. both lines investigates allegations of organized gangs within the los angeles sheriff's department taking the law into their own hands. a failure at every level from every art of los angeles county government shadow system. a lay secretive sheriff gangs on al jazeera, having pricing in the we don't firmly focus on the politics of the conflict. it's the consequence of war. the human suffering that we report on, we brave bullets and bombs, and some of the world's most troubled regions, the army fled in the face of i. 4th advanced. it is one of the most serious about

the violence in every 5 years. in some instances we are the target because we give voice to those demanding freedom the rule of law. and we always include the views from all sides. oh a. this is a reminder of our top story. israeli forces have the morning carrying the body of how the student journey is to mean people struggle to hold onto her coffee. whitehouse says it's deeply disturbed by pictures all the time when the funeral procession. se, as it shouldn't be a day to remember, like a church service and burial took place without incident. she was

made to rest on now. so i on occupied east to this, and she actually was 51 years old, international and palestinian major groups last month submitted a formal complaint to the international criminal court, accusing israel of war crimes against journalists, the committee to protect journalists, say 24 journalists, not including 3 have been killed in israel and occupied palestine since 1992 other press freedom advocates have reported higher numbers. israel systematically target journalists, including al jazeera in 2010, detained several on board, the humanitarian flotilla, heading towards garza. last year israel bummed a building with media offices, including al jazeera in occupied gaza strip, and barely a month later, israeli forces arrested our zoo, jernace bizarre hearing. as she covered the demonstration in the shape gerard

neighborhood of occupied east jerusalem. there was a come po is a former 1st prosecutor, the international criminal court. he says a palestinian authority should be able to take israel to the i, c c. we need justice and we need this people demanding justice. and then i will have to help. how do justice here on but a son has to litigation, is it. but if he's a person can meet the crime, ballast and legally cannot do it. therefore, who could do it? could be international, going to court? could israel called or because she was american, it could be the us. so the issue is, but i had to do a great investigation that going today and do it to request a good bit to get your means and if and exactly what happened. and you know, just about the bullet, look, a group like a good picture in london do kind of

a good analysis on, on the who should from where that's a pretty important israel brand new promise, an investigation. ok. what this all is the same. what happened with the soldier? so what is right, reaction. so we need to go back. it's very thorough investigation and then has that a possibility. but what i just say that will help putting together all the food touch for the i get that to degrade the food that we can do more and people have to them. and just this is not just, this will be revaluation in pity means more violent in pilots. and dr. times ambassador to united nations says is where the forces target palestinians with impunity daily's, assassination of serene as part of its long standing well documented war of

harassment, intimidation and violence against philistine and journalist. this has been happening for decades and in broad daylight. we are shocked by the great loss. sharina barkley was a tell britain. thrilled, blazing jordan. it is a vibrant spirit and a kind hearted and humble human being. qualities that the occupation forces that killed her couldn't care. less about the humanity. they refused to see. ah, some other news stories now for you, the president of united arab emirates and that one of its capital abu dhabi has been laid to rest the u. e. has announced 40 days of mourning for shakafur been as i had on the young. he was 73 years old, public and private work places will close for 3 days. katya lopez,

how to yonder takes a look back at his life. he had been president of the united arab emirates since 2004, but shake a leave of in zion now he and was rarely seen in public. his role became mostly ceremonial. after he suffered a stroke, 10 years into his presidency. the country has begun. 40 days of mourning, flags will fly at half staff and ministries will close for 3 days. the hammer de la fuck it made the nation's beloved deceased leader be covered by god's mercy and may he be admitted into the wide heavens my god! grant has patience in serenity with his gradual retreat from public life. his brother avo darby's crown prince, muhammad, been sayed, became the de facto leader, managing day to day affair smiled. but shay khalifa was widely credited with helping modernize a u. e. he oversaw economic reforms and back to the purchase of english premier league soccer club, manchester city,

shakily for also served as the ruler of abu dhabi, the oil rich capital of the countries. 7 emirates, the world's tallest tower into by is named the birch khalifa in honor of the late ruler. now, leaders across the arab world have sent their condolences. according to the u. e. s . constitution, the federal council, which groups the rulers of the 7 emirates must meet within 30 days to elect a new president. shakily for been cited at mckeyan, who's 73 the u. s. defense secretary has spoken to his russian counterpart for the 1st time since the invasion of ukraine. there's called for an immediate cease for this as ukraine starts. his 1st war crimes trial of the conflict, prosecuting a russian soldier for allegedly killing an unarmed civilian 21 year old sergeant is accused of shooting at $62.00 roads. crenan ran through an open car window. if convicted,

he could get life in prison. ukraine is looking into it more than 10000 potential war crimes involving more than 600 suspects. ukraine's foreign minister has met his counterparts from the g 7 group of nations to discuss further action to help to you and to increase pressure on moscow or diplomatic edited james bay's reports from vice in house in northern germany. the french foreign minister said the purpose of this g 7 meeting was to support ukraine in its war with russia. until there's victory. the leaders discussed fresh military support with the european union proposing a further payment of over $500000000.00 for new heavy weaponry. with the global food crisis growing, the e. u is also working on plans to use rail routes to export the grain, which is trapped in storage in ukraine. the use hi representative joseph barrell told me it was a matter of urgency. the wall that pens of hips block and your cranium port. my de

russian navy, tons of wheat has been destroyed and burn or stolen and brought to russia. they do law me. foot crisis is a crisis created by the war. and we need to take 1000 of tons of wheat out of ukraine, my and rail since her many time and wrote is closed due to the russian navy activities attending this meeting alongside the g 7 foreign ministers, demitra caliber, the foreign minister of ukraine. he'll be travelling soon to brussels, where the e u is proposing a ban on russian oil imports. he gave me his reaction to the fact that hunger is prime minister, victor, or ban is threatening to veto the plan even though his country has been given an exemption. his ear moment of through will come and we will see where the hungary was blocking the oil embargo because of its national

concerns and the attempt to come with it to make the union accommodate them. or they are doing it for some other reasons of higher political consideration. if all goes ahead and vito's this package, what action should you take? well, i'm afraid. the european union will face a precedent. the risk of creating a precedent when the unity was broken. and when the unity on the rush was broken, and this will be the 1st such case, since 2014, i believe that it will cause a lot of damage for the european union itself. mister columbus says he's also received a positive response from the g 7 to his demand for seized russian assets to be used to pay for the reconstruction of his country. after nearly 3 months of war,

james bay's al jazeera, vice, and house in northern germany. british prime minister bars johnson will visit norman island on monday as a pallet sharing crisis there deepens. no, not an assembly failed to that. can you speak of? the democratic unionist party blocked the process over issues linked to briggs. it that evolved administration is not unable to function off the election last week. the d u p says the e u and u. k. governments must resolve problems with the post breaks at the trading agreement. to lancaster main opposition party has refused to join the government under the new prime minister, renelle with remy singer, protests continued in columbia on friday, demonstrate to say whit remy singer has no credibility. after his defeat in the last election, he also want to present or to biometric access to step down. he's being blamed for should anchors worst economic crisis decades. at least 27 people have died in a fire that broke out in

a building in india's capital city. police in new delhi say more than 40 people are in hospital, and dozens of others have been rescued. the place started on the 1st floor of the building, which mostly contains offices returning now to our coverage of the funeral of our colleague sharika, of ugly, for many palestinians, sharina and her reports and something profound. they watched the palestinian woman pioneer of her generation, telling the stories and writing the 1st draft of their history for the world to the noise, no ordinary journalist, no ordinary human being to a close friend. and she was a reporter who has turner to or to have profession, but more importantly to your city and that boggling lights really. and our entire childhood echo of her voice

specially on specially at a time where nobody covered the default on the grades on palestinian villages. and the fire was approved by one of the things that was really incredible about those who knew her was actually covered all aspects of palestinian. why? she didn't just cover the issue of gas or the issue. it's really rain or it is really work. she actually also enjoyed covering what it was like to be she with an incredible mentor of mine. i would probably say all of the journals that i worked with there on the ground and there are a lot. she was perhaps the one that took me under her wing the most me the lay of the land, tommy as much as i could possibly learn about the region and what was happening again. but she also had an incredible compassionate. here. i think if you look at every single picture that has been shared around the world of her,

she's always smiling because she had the biggest heart. she was the kindest person . and yet she had missed determination and understood with such clarity. and the purpose in which she work serene. our clay was the 12th al jazeera journalist killed since network creation over 25 years ago. these are the names ah ah, to

you're watching, i'll just hear these are the top stories. israeli forces have beaten warns, hurrying both. you've had a still journalist. people struggle to hold on to coughing. and it really fell to the ground. a church service and the burial took place without incident shoes laid to rest on mount zion and occupied east. jerusalem trin, ugly was 51 years old. not a nation security council has condemned her killing. the un also said it was shocked by footage of mourners being attacked by israeli forces. well we, we've just seen the video coming from this and it's, and it's very shocking to us. ah, obviously we'll try to gather more information about exactly what's happened here.

ah, it clearly i, as in all cases, we want to make sure that the basic right to freedom of assembly and, and of course, the right to freedom of peaceful demonstrations are, are protected and upheld. the white house says it's deeply disturbed by pictures of the attack on the funeral procession. press secretary genta saki says it should have been a day to remember the life of shipping. we have all seen those images. they're obviously deeply disturbing. we. this is a day where we should all be marking, including everyone there, the memory of a remarkable journalist who lost her life on. we know that there is we with the disturbing footage and from the funeral procession procession. today in jerusalem, we regret the intrusion to what should have been a peaceful procession. we've earned respect for the funeral procession, the mourners and the family at the sensitive time. well, those are the headlines. the news continues here on algae here. that's after the

bottom line to stay with us. on may 15th 11, i will hold the 1st party mentally election since the country went on. the collapse in 2019 political and security pensions are running high with many lebanese desperately wanting change and new leadership. but will there vote to be enough to change the status call special coverage on the high are steve clements and i have a question? well, the rollback of abortion right split the united states and half with women facing totally different laws depending on which state they live. in, let's get to the bottom line. ah, very few issues in american politics park as much debate as a woman's right to abortion. this is the hottest, the hot button issues for progresses and many moderates. it's about individual rights and a woman's right to govern her own body. for conservatives, it's about morality in the future of the united states as

a christian country. and when it gets worse, each side of the debate looks down at the other with righteous contempt. abortion took center stage and american politics after draft ruling by the supreme court was leaked to the media. according to this draft, the court is set to vote on reversing a ruling made by the same court 50 years ago, known as roe vs wade, which gave federal protection to women having abortions. if the court goes through with the vote, the federal protections will disappear and each state has to decide for itself what it's abortion laws will be. that means it's going to be really messy with political fights at each and every level of government from local elections on up. so will this debate, poor gas on a nation that's already divided in simmering with lots of internal resentments and how can americans reach a consensus on their major social issues like racism, same sex marriage, gun control, immigration. what did he kids at school? just to name a few. today we're talking with jonathan zimmerman, professor of history of education at the university of pennsylvania,

an author of whose america culture wars in public schools, and also andrew hartman professor of history at illinois state university and author of a war for the soul of america. and finally, julia manchester national politics reporter for the hill here in washington d. c. so great to have you all here with us today. let me start with you julia. you know, a political bomb went off this last week with the leak of a draft opinion by apparently a majority of justice is on the u. s. supreme court. that said, roe v wade this, this plank that nearly 50 years ago, established federal protection of abortions for women in america. looks as if it is going to be overturned and changed. can you just frame for our audience? what a significant moment this is in american politics and how is shaping up for the political parties as we look forward? yeah, absolutely, steve. i mean, when we talk about the significance of this moment, you know,

i'm 29 years old. i have never lived in a world where grovee wade was not law, and there are so many other women and you know, americans to feel the same way. so this is a seismic shift and how this issue of abortion, how this issue of choice is approached when it comes in the united states. so it's a major shift and i think it's a major shift in the culture wars as well. you know, talking to members of pro life and advocacy groups and activists. they say this was a long time coming. this is 40 years in the making in this is really, i think, the culmination of their efforts and they do this as a major victory. but what's so interesting is the disconnect, i very much view between conservative activists and the republican establishment as a whole on this issue. you know, we've seen the republican party in general, very much try ahead of the mid terms to focus on crime inflation and the border.

but even, you know, not really talking about abortion, but now they're being forced to talk about abortion. i think that's led many to wonder, you know, how and think they are with the pro life wing of the party and really, how this impacts them politically over the past few months over the past year. even during the pandemic, we've seen republicans when a number of major battles on the culture war front, whether that's critical race theory, l g, b, g, q issues, especially in florida, for example, with the so called don't say gay miller parental rights and education act. however, there's a lot of questions as to how well they can approach this issue of abortion going forward. and it just, it begs this question of what happened in this case to the republican party. you know, has the evangelical christian movement taken over that party because, you know, i, i, frankly, earlier in my youth knew a lot of republican supporters of a women's right to choose of abortion rights in this country. they don't seem to be

evident now but, but has that, what kind of that part of the evolution is something that i think is interesting to, to make sure we put as part of the docket here. they definitely seem to be the louder voice isn't hardy, but i do wonder whether they are actually the majority of the republican party as a whole. because you have figures in the establishment weighing that would rather not talk about this issue of abortion. like i said and focus more on those economic issues. however, i do think it's curious and telling by mcconnell, the senate minority leader said earlier this week that if republicans were to win a majority in the mid terms that they would look at a national abortion ban, i think that, you know, we'll see whether that's rhetoric or whether he's actually serious about it, depending what happens in the midterms. but i think there definitely is a divide within the republican party that still exists, such how to approach this issue of abortion,

especially when the majority of americans and pulling show this shows us our and supportive preserving. andrew, john, i'm so glad you on the show today because i've read both of your work and admire you both in this discussion of culture wars has been lurking behind a lot of other subjects in over many years. and, you know, andrew, i remember reading your book a years ago, a war for the soul of american. i remember reading and not yet president biden's article in the atlantic, you about fighting for the soul of the nation. after white supremacist, a protest in charlottesville, virginia, and he framed his that the title of his article was very much around the title of your book and, and it does struck me at the time that your book kind of had the view. i think that the culture war had been fought and that liberals had largely won. i haven't read the 2nd edition. and so i imagine i'm, and there's been a inflection point in there, but i just wanted to get your tell her audience how significant this moment is and

what you suspect is going to happen. jonathan, same question by way of the next iterations of culture wars in and their political ramifications. thank you, steve. and i should just note that a war for the soul of america is the title of my book, but i stole that from patrick buchanan. it's 1992 speech at the republican national convention. yeah, in the 1st edition of my book which was published in 2015, but most of which i had written in 2013 and 14. i had argued that the culture wars that we had seen sort of accentuated in the 1980 in 1900 ninety's had changed and to some degree were over in the sense that i thought the liberals had largely. and we won the argument even if that was not necessarily reflected in our politics course, then donald j trump announced his run for presidency and that shifted

a lot of things. and thus i wrote a 2nd edition which argued otherwise, i do think that it's still the case that when it comes to american attitudes towards a lot of the issues that we define under the parameters of the culture wars, that the laughter liberals have largely won the arguments and i think that's even true with abortion. as was mentioned previously that a majority of american support roe v wade. and i say that about abortion, even though that's one of the culture wars issues that has polarized americans, i would say more than others in the last 20 to 30 years. and yes, the republican party, in part, as mentioned because the conservative evangelicals in the last 40 to 50 years have largely captured, that party has been highly effective politically at winning a lot of these battles over culture wars issues,

especially at the state level. and now, increasingly as we're seeing when it comes to the supreme court to going forward, i think that we're in for some pretty rocky culture wars battles. given the fact that i continue to maintain that a majority of americans on lean a little bit left when it comes to a lot of these cultural issues. and yet one of the 2 major parties is fully committed in many ways, especially at the state and local and grassroots level to fight in the culture wars and from a conservative perspective and has been highly effective, highly organized, highly disciplined in doing so. well, thank you. jonathan zimmerman, what i just always been inspired by you in your work is saying it's okay to have debates among contending views. politics is not a come by our sport, but there was always this belief that both sides respected each other's rights, majority and minority. if there would be a struggle and you talked

a lot about have that sense of civic toss, or this respect for pluralism has disappeared. and i'd love to get your framing on that. because i think since this moment since i've been begin reading you, i've seen nothing that gives me any hope that a respect for pluralism is coming back to this country. the country was and continues to be extremely divided. and more than that, to your point, deep polarized, you know, when i wrote about this, this matter are back in the area, we're talking about the early, 2, thousands. i was more concerned about the way that religion and religious claims polarized us, because often religion group is cleaned or totalizing. right. i mean, you know, it's like either he was the messiah or he wasn't right. like either abortion is a seen the or it isn't. and at that time, i imagine religion is being this force that was polarizing us and making us intolerant. what i think is so interesting,

troubling about what happened since is that the country has actually gotten radically less religious in every way. we can measure, including self reports about week worship and domination affiliation. and yet no serious person thinks that it's got more tolerant. see the story we, liberals used to tell was that secularization would bring a kind of tolerance, a kind of cause paul, to call it cause policies or liberalism. and in fact, has been the opposite. as we've gotten less religious or political identities have in a way, become our religions. and what that makes us is ever less likely to compromise or even listen to each other. well, let me ask you a question julia, you know, i talked on this show with senator joe mentioned before, and you know, he's out there whether you folks like him or not, what he says he's doing,

as he said in this country, we don't fight for a pragmatic middle again, for the kind of civility that jonathan, similar zimmerman has said that we need to, to bring back to our schools and into our civic discourse. again, that we're going to have a lot of other kinds of manifestations of january 6 that we don't really begin to proactively put people back together and have expectations of, of deal making down the road. this, this will happen. but his argument is that culture ward speed, the fundraising machines of both parties, and that the neither party has much incentive anymore to actually deliver results in products, you know, to the citizens. you've elected them. i do agree with mansion, does he have a point? how to, how to others in the political spectrum. see this? yeah, i think he absolutely has a point. you don't have to look farther than virginia's gubernatorial elections last year. i mean, seeing how republican now governor glen young can was really able to masterfully grasp on to the culture wars,

especially when it come came to school starting with those school closures during the corona virus and more thing into more of a message about critical race theory. and, you know, sexuality sexual topics, being taught in the classroom, he was able to grasp on to that and was able to very much galvanized the conservative base in virginia as well as rope in some independent or swing voters. now it wasn't like he didn't win by a landslide. however, he was able to very much turn the tide in virginia that in a commonwealth or state that was very much going in a left leaning direction for a while. and we've seen, i think a lot of republicans, especially going into the midterm, try to replicate that because they know that that's something, but it's going to galvanized the conservative based on the liberal side. you know, i think you see the same thing, especially when it comes to the issue of abortion. you know, i think for democrats,

this, the draft ruling that came out from the supreme court of the draft decision was in a way, you know, works for them. well, because it allows them to galvanize their base, especially when it comes to senate races and warren that elections have consequences. so i think politically, the culture wars are able to galvanize those bases. they are able to contribute to the fundraising. but i think it depends what impact we have yet to see what impacts that will have on swing voters. we have a bit of an impact when it comes to schools on swing voters in virginia. i think we'll get more of an answer after november and i want to play a clip for you. a vice president conway harris. a comment she made added for row recognizes the fundamental right to privacy. think about that for a moment. when the right to privacy is attacked,

anyone in our country may face a future where the government can interfere with their personal decisions. not just women. anyone. andrew, i guess my question to you is what comes next? ah, julie manchester just talked about what mitch mcconnell said, you're right now the, the leading republican in the united states senate. they may try to pull off a national abortion ban. but when it comes to various dimensions of civil rights, same sex marriage, various other rights that have been achieved on in, in, in a kind of i, we call the recent era. how vulnerable are those rights platforms? and are you going to see, as some people said, a real rollback in that you know, some of that, not just the 1950s. some politicians have said the 1850s, but i don't, i don't wanna underscore that i agree with them, but i'm just sort of interested in whether or not there's real fragility ah,

in the, the constitutional basis for rights, for many other groups in america. so i, i think that there was always fragility in these rights that were won by many americans from the 1900 sixty's onwards. progress is never a guarantee. and i think that's especially particularly true when these rights are predicated on the courts. and so there are critics of the original roe v wade decision from the left from, from many feminists who argue that promising it on a right to privacy. when that is, wasn't, was a relatively new sort of consideration judicially speaking. and that it was tenuous, always tenuous, was maybe not the right way to go. so what i foresee happening, i don't think we're going to, we're going to see a major role back of rights. but what i foresee happening hopefully is that social

movements will reemerge and will fight to legislate these rights as opposed to expect that their rights will be protected or guaranteed by the courts, especially when the supreme court is now 63 conservative majority, unlikely to say that way for a very long time. how do we get the equilibrium right? when it comes to teaching about identity and race in this country? what has become such a toxic political topic? well, it's a heavy list and just a couple points deep based on what you can said. if you try that for kenya, i think a lot of pulling indicates that it wasn't necessarily critical race theory or toni morrison's beloved that helped young can when it was terry mcauliffe saying that he thought parents should. but out of this, i think there was essentially an unforeseen error and that's what sank him. and i think, you know, this matches up with andrew saying a moment ago. it seems to me that you know, if you're concerned about challenges and censorship in the school,

the right answer, the right response is to organize yourself. not to say that other citizen shouldn't be engaged in the issue, but to engage in yourself. and obviously we're seeing some burdens of that to the front of your question about dialogue and discussion. it seems to me that word a movement where there is a lot of dissembling on both sides. i would say the most storage and was obvious dissembling is on the republican side and thanks to figures like chris roof o. there are now lots of americans who imagine the 4th grade teacher is getting up at the beginning of class and saying, you know, good morning kids. it's time for your critical race theory lesson. and of course, this is ridiculous. i mean, this is a phantasm. that's not what's happening. and yet at the same time, to your point about tulsa, i also think it's fair to say that in this country, and in our schools, we are experiencing a new set of challenges about ricks. so take something like a 1619 project when republican se, the 1619 project represents

a kellen to most traditional views of how american history is taught. i think they're right. ah, ah, i just think it's a good challenge and a necessary challenge. this is not to say that i think the 6019 project should be inscribed as gospel in every classroom because i do not. what i think should happen is that it should be introduced in every classroom, alongside the state approved textbook. and the 1st day it should be okay, kids are like, what is the textbook? say about discovery quote unquote in columbus, what is the 1619 project say about it? i wish interpretation. do you think is better? what would better me? how do we know what we know? but to the point of your question, steve, how many people on any side of this quote, debate, unquote, actually what that ah, the point of try to make my book is that unfortunately, most people enter these arenas. not because they want this thing that zimmerman is

calling a debate. it's because they want to see their own point of view privilege. and that's the heart of the problem. if i did have any van jellico voice on the show to day, i think they would make you know an impassioned a statement about you know, how they see values and culture and they have a right to legitimate right to pursue their interest. but i guess the question i have is, you know, again coming to an equilibrium of, of, of what you think becomes possible. not lamenting the fact that change may be coming, this country's always coming. but how do you get it right? where we can have a fabric of different perspectives in this country, you know, over values over norms without the country ripping itself apart. i did, and i know that nina and give me a 32nd answer on it. well, the ignited states has always, always experienced these types of struggles and has only ripped itself apart one time. so it is possible and it's something we hope to avoid. and i think the circumstances in 1861 were vastly different. i don't think we're headed towards

that. i think, you know, jonathan has the right solution. i think a lot of it starts with education and it starts with us embracing alternative perspectives. but also recognizing that if we want change, we have to organize for change and we, you know, i think that one of the things that we have to do right is just recognize there are differences in this country. there always will be as a huge country, organized for change and accept defeat as well. or thank you. and then finally, julie, i don't know anyone who is more of a political junkie than you and, and you and i are both going to be on. i think we all will, but looking very closely at the upcoming mid term elections in november, this is where our congress, big chunk of our senate are going to be elected. and i guess i would just ask you what's going to be on the culture war menu between now and november in addition to

abortion, from your view, i think a lot of it is going to circle around corona virus and you know, many would argue and i hope so knock on wood that we are, you know, at that we see the light at the end of the tunnel. but i think you are also seeing republicans continuously try to hit governors like gretchen whitman, for example in michigan saying that they were hypocritical during the corona virus pandemic that they handle that shut down incorrectly, that they didn't do enough. you know, to ensure that society remains open. so i think you're going to see republicans sort of try to harken back to that and you know, on the issue of education, that's going to be a huge issue. and that sort of is related to a grown of virus, especially when it relates to those shut down. so i think you're going to see republicans really drive that narrative at the same time though, i think that's going to be lower on the docket for a lot of public, at least at the same level. i think republicans are mostly concerned about crime

inflation border. well, if i just want to thank you, always a tough conversation, fidgeting is very conceptual for folks particularly around the world. but i think you made it very real. i want to thank you very much. julia manchester national politics reporter for the hill and professor jonathan zimmerman. and andrew hartman, thanks so much for being with.