st says, and similarities of cultures across the wound center matter illogical hand al jazeera will bring you the news and current affairs that mattie out is the ha ah hello, i'm adrian finnegan, in doha, with a summary of use on al jazeera, israel's police chief has ordered an investigation into the actions of the officers who disrupted the funeral procession of al jazeera journalist should, in our claim, is really forces attacked mourners carrying her casket. that storm widespread condemnation, but a muted response from the u. s. l 0 journalist, surely an elbow, our claire has now been laid to rest and occupied east jerusalem. 3 days after is ready, forces shot and killed her. thousands gathered for her funeral. on friday,

the shake, gera neighborhood of occupied east jerusalem is one of the cities biggest trash points to, to the forced eviction of palestinian families. elders here as him, ron khan, is there with more reaction to friday's events. well, there's only really one word that anybody is using. certainly palestinian is using amazon. devastated, devastated that sharina barclays. a funeral was not a dignified one. that it was actually a fraught with violence from the israeli forces. those pictures that we've seen from the hospital not far away from where i'm standing right now, just up that hill over there where our moon is. the pool barrows were actually attacked as they carried sharon's casket out into the courtyard of the hostile them that he left the hospital at that stage. they were in the courtyard and he is really false. is moved in those pitches have shocked. ah, palestinian. certainly, if you take the temperature of palestinian social media, once again is the word devastation that comes to mind. these images are going to

reverberate for a very, very, very long time. not because of the shocking nature of the pitches themselves, but the fact that israeli forces i didn't even respect somebody in death. now that's a real big issue for palestinians, and that's something that they will be talking about for a long time. but for serene elbow actually herself, even in death, she managed to highlight what it was like, living under occupation, living in the israeli occupation. not just that incident that but when the, the casket arrived by a call to the church in jeff again in the old city palestinians who being arrested from mealy hoisting up the palestinian flag. g 7 foreign ministers, devout to reinforce washers, economic and political isolation in a joint statement. they also said that they'll continue to supply weapons to ukraine. they also pledge to ease global food shortages caused by the war. we

support every measure and every step they are taking to ensure that people in ukraine and this is also our common goal as g 7 can live as everybody else in europe again in peace, but also insecurity and freedom in their own country. and we have also made very clear that's it's our goal. that rashness bridge was international law that the imperial stranded, he often aggressor, which reaches international peace order and law, will not succeed. ukraine has started his 1st war crimes trial of the conflict. the government is prosecuting a russian soldier. the 21 year old sergeant is accused of shooting a 62 year old civilian through a car window. if convicted, he faces life in prison. at least 27 people have died and a file that broke out of the building in india's capitol, police and new delhi say that more than 40 people are in hospital. the supreme

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hi, i steve clements and i have a question. well, the rollback of abortion right? split the united states and half with women facing totally different laws depending on which state they live in. let's get to the bottom line. ah, very few issues in american politics park as much debate as a woman's right to abortion. this is be hot in the hot button issues for progresses and many moderates. it's about individual rights and a woman's right to govern her own body. for conservatives, it's about morality in the future of the united states as a christian country. and wait, it gets worse. each side of the debate looks down at the other with righteous contempt. abortion took center stage in american politics. after draft ruling by the supreme court was leaked to the media. according to this draft,

the court has set the vote on reversing a ruling made by the same court 50 years ago, known as roe vs wade, which gave federal protection to women having abortions. if the court goes through with a vote, then federal protections will disappear and each state has to decide for itself what it's abortion laws will be. that means it's going to be really messy with political fights at each and every level of government from local elections on up. so will this debate, poor gas on a nation that's already divided in simmering with lots of internal resentments and how can americans reach a consensus on their major social issues like racism, same sex marriage, gun control, immigration. what did he kids at school? just to name a few. today we're talking with jonathan zimmerman, professor of history of education at the university of pennsylvania, an author of whose america culture wars in public schools, and also andrew hartman professor of history at illinois state university and author of a war for the soul of america. and finally, julia manchester national politics reporter for the hill here in washington,

d. c. so great to have you all here with us today. let me start with you julia. you know, a political bomb went off this last week with the leak of a draft opinion by apparently a majority of justice is on the u. s. supreme court. that said, roe v wade this, this plank that nearly 50 years ago, established federal protection of abortions for women in america. looks as if it is going to be overturned and changed. can you just frame for our audience? what a significant moment this is in american politics and how is it shaping up for the political parties as we look forward? yeah, absolutely, steve. i mean, when we talk about the significance of this moment, you know, i'm 29 years old. i have never lived in a world where grovee wade was not law, and there are so many other women and you know, americans to feel the same way. so this is a seismic shift and how this issue of abortion,

how this issue of choice is approached when it comes in the united states. so it's a major shift and i think it's a major shift in the culture wars as well. you know, talking to members of pro life and advocacy groups and activists. they say this was a long time coming. this is 40 years in the making in this is really, i think, the culmination of their efforts and they do this as a major victory. but what's so interesting is the disconnect, i very much view between conservative activists and the republican establishment as a whole on this issue. you know, we've seen the republican party in general, very much try ahead of the mid term to focus on crime inflation and the border. but even, you know, not really talking about abortion, but now they're being forced to talk about abortion. i think that's led many to wonder, you know, how and think they are with the pro life wing of the party and really, how this impacts them politically over the past few months over the past year. even

during the pandemic, we've seen republicans when a number of major battles on the culture war front. whether that's critical race theory, l g, b, g, q issues, especially in florida, for example, with the so called don't say gay miller parental rights and education act. however, there's a lot of questions as to how well they can approach this issue of abortion going forward. and it just, you know, begs this question of what happened in this case to the republican party. you know, has the evangelical christian movement taken over that party because, you know, i, i, frankly, earlier in my youth knew a lot of republican supporters of a women's right to choose of abortion rights in this country. they don't seem to be evident now but, but has that, what kind of that part of the evolution is something that i think is interesting to, to make sure we put as part of the docket here. they definitely seem to be the

louder voice isn't hardy, but i do wonder whether they are actually the majority of the republican party as a whole. because you have figures in the establishment weighing that would rather not talk about this issue of abortion. like i said and focus more on those economic issues. however, i do think it's curious and telling by mcconnell, the senate minority leader said earlier this week that if republicans were to win a majority in the mid terms that they would look at a national abortion ban, i think that, you know, we'll see whether that's rhetoric or whether he's actually serious about it, depending what happens in the midterms. but i think there definitely is a divide within the republican party that still exists, such how to approach this issue of abortion, especially when the majority of americans and pulling show this shows us our and supportive preserving. andrew. john, i'm so glad you're on the show today. because i've read both of your work and

admire you both in this discussion of culture wars has been lurking behind a lot of other subjects in over many years. and, you know, andrew, i remember reading your book a years ago, a war for the soul of american. i remember reading and not yet president biden's article in the atlantic, you about fighting for the soul of the nation. after white supremacist, a protest in charlottesville, virginia, and he framed his that the title of his article was very much around the title of your book and, and it does struck me at the time that your book kind of had the view. i think that the culture war had been fought and that liberals had largely won. i haven't read the 2nd edition. and so i imagine i'm, and there's been a inflection point in there, but i just wanted to get your tell her audience how significant this moment is. and what do you suspect is going to happen? jonathan? same question. by way of the next iterations of culture, wars in and their political ramifications. thank you, steve. and i should just note that

a war for the soul of america is the title of my book, but i stole from patrick buchanan. his name is 1992 speech at the republican national convention. yeah, in the 1st edition of my book which was published in 2015, but most of which i had written in 2013 and 14. i had argued that the culture wars that we had seen sort of accentuated in the 198-1900 ninety's had changed and to some degree were over in the sense that i thought the liberals had largely. and we won the argument. even if that was not necessarily reflected in our politics course, then donald j trump announced his run for presidency and that shifted a lot of things. and thus i wrote a 2nd edition which argued otherwise, i do think that it's still the case that when it comes to american attitudes towards

a lot of the issues that we define under the parameters of the culture wars, that the laughter liberals have largely won the arguments and i think that's even true with abortion, as was mentioned previously that of majority of american support roe v wade. and i say that about abortion, even though that's one of the culture wars issues that has polarized americans, i would say more than others in the last 20 to 30 years. and yet, the republican party, in part, as mentioned because conservative evangelicals in the last 40 to 50 years have largely captured, that party has been highly effective, politically at winning a lot of these battles over culture wars issues, especially at the state level. and now, increasingly as we're seeing when it comes to the supreme court, so going forward, i think that we're in for some pretty rocky culture wars battles. given the fact

that i continue to maintain that a majority of americans on lean a little bit left when it comes to a lot of these cultural issues. and yet one of the 2 major parties is fully committed in many ways, especially at the state and local and grassroots level to fighting the culture wars and trauma. conservative perspective and has been highly effective, highly organized, highly disciplined in doing so. well. thank you. jonathan zimmerman. what i just always been inspired by you in your work is saying it's okay to have debates among contending views. politics is not a come by our sport, but there was always this belief that both sides respected each other's rights, majority and minority. there'll be a struggle and you talked a lot about have that sense of civic toss or this respect for pluralism has disappeared. and i'd love to get your framing on that. because i think since this moment since i've been begin reading you, i've seen nothing that gives me any hope that

a respect for pluralism is coming back to this country. the country was, it continues to be extremely divided and more than that to your point, deep and polarized. you know, when i wrote about this, this matter or back in the area, you were talking about the early 2, thousands. i was more concerned about the way that religion and religious claims polarized us, because often religion group is claimed or totalizing. right. i mean, you know, it's like either he was the messiah or he wasn't right. like either abortion is a scene. the or it isn't. and at that time, i imagined religion as being this force that was polarizing us and making us intolerant. what i think is so interesting, troubling about what happened since is that the country has actually gotten radically less religious in every way. we can measure, including self reports, about weekly worship and domination,

affiliation. and yet no serious person thinks that has got more tolerant. see the story we, liberals used to tell was that secularization would bring a kind of tolerance, a kind of cosmopolitan cult cousin paulson is, or liberalism. and in fact, has been the opposite. as we've gotten less religious or political identities have in a way, become our religions. and what that makes us is ever less likely to compromise or even listen to each other. well, let me ask you a question julia, you know, i talked on on the show was senator joe mentioned before and you know, he's out there whether, you know, folks like him or not, what he says he's doing, as he said in this country. if we don't fight for a pragmatic middle again, for the kind of civility that jonathan, similar zimmerman is said that we need to bring back to our schools and into our civic discourse. again, that we're going to have a lot of other kinds of manifestations of january 6 that we don't really begin to

proactively put people back together and have expectations of, of deal making down the road. this, this will happen. but his argument is that culture wards feed the fundraising machines of both parties, and that the neither party has much incentive any more to actually deliver results and products you know, to the citizens. you've elected them, you know, would you agree with mansion? does he have a point? how to, how to others in the political spectrum see this? yeah, i think he absolutely has one point. you don't have to look farther than virginia's gubernatorial elections last year. i mean, seeing how republican now governor glen youngin was really able to masterfully grasp on to the culture wars, especially when it come came to school starting with those school closures during the crown of iris and more thank into more of a message about critical race theory. and i'm, you know, sexuality or sexual topics being taught in the classroom. he was able to grasp on

to that and was able to very much galvanized the conservative base in virginia as well as rope in some independent or swing voters. now it wasn't like he didn't win by a landslide. however, he was able to very much turn the tide in virginia that in a commonwealth or state that was very much going in a left leaning direction for a while. and we've seen, i think a lot of republicans, especially going into the midterm, try to replicate that because they know that that's something, but it's going to galvanized the conservative based on the last liberal side. you know, i think you see the same thing, especially when it comes to the issue of abortion. you know, i think for democrats, this, the draft ruling that came out from the supreme court. the draft decision was in a way, you know, works for them. well, because it allows them to galvanize their base, especially when it comes to senate races and warren that elections have

consequences. so i think politically, the culture wars are able to galvanize those bases. they are able to contribute to the fundraising. but i think it depends what impact we have yet to see what impacts that will have on swing voters. we saw have a bit of an impact when it comes to schools on swing voters in virginia. i think we'll get more of an answer after november. i want to play a clip for you, a vice president conway harris, a comment she made at its core, ro recognizes the fundamental right to privacy. think about that for a moment. one of the right to privacy is attacked. anyone in our country may face of future where the government can interfere with their personal decisions. not just women.

anyone. andrew, i guess my question to you is what comes next? julia manchester just talked about what mitch mcconnell said. you know right now the, the leading republic in the united states senate, they may try to pull off a national abortion ban. but when it comes to various dimensions of civil rights, same sex marriage, various other rights that have been achieved in a kind of, i will call the recent era how vulnerable are those rights platforms? and are you going to see as some people set a real role back in the summer that not just in 1900 fifties. some of politicians have said the 18 fifty's, but i don't, i don't want to underscore that i agree with them, but i'm just sort of interested in whether or not there's real fragility in the, the constitutional basis for rights, for many other groups in america. so i, i think that there was always fragility in these rights that were won by many

americans from the 1900 sixty's onwards. progress is never a guarantee. and i think that's especially particularly true when these rights are predicated on the courts. and so there are critics of the original roe v wade decision from the left from from many feminists who argue that promising it on a right to privacy. when that is, was a, was a relatively new sort of consideration judicially speaking. and that it was tenuous, always tenuous, was maybe not the right way to go. so what i foresee happening, i don't think we're going to, we're going to see a major role back of rights. but what i foresee happening hopefully is that social movements will reemerge and will fight to legislate these rights as opposed to expect that their rights will be protected or guaranteed by the courts, especially when the supreme court is now 63 conservative majority,

unlikely to say that way for a very long time. how do we get the equilibrium right? when it comes to teaching about identity and race in this country, what is become such a toxic political topic? well, it's a heavy list and just a couple points, steve, based on what you can set, if you time and virginia, i think a lot of polling indicates that it wasn't necessarily critical race theory or toni morrison's beloved that helped young can when it was terry mcauliffe. saying that he thought parents should, but out of this i think there was essentially an unforeseen error and that's what sank him. and i think, you know, this matches up with andrew saying a moment ago. it seems to me that you know, if you're concerned about challenges and censorship in the school for the right answer, the right response is to organize yourself. not to say that other citizen shouldn't be engaged in the issue, but to engage in yourself. and obviously we're seeing some burdens of that to the 1st of your question about dialogue and discussion. and it seems to me that word

a movement when there is a lot of dissembling on both sides. i would say the most story and was obvious dissembling is on the republican side and thanks to figures like chris roof o there. now, lots of americans who imagine the 4th grade teacher is getting up at the beginning of class and saying, you know, good morning kids, it's time for your critical race theory lesson. and of course, this is ridiculous. i mean, this is a phantasm. that's not what's happening. and yet at the same time, your point about tulsa, i also think it's fair to say that in this country and in our schools, we are experiencing a new set of challenges about ricks. so take something like a 1619 project. when republican say the 1619 project represents a carolyn to most traditional views of how american history is taught, i think they're right. ah, ah, i just think it's a good challenge and

a necessary challenge. this is not to say that i think the 1619 project could be inscribed as gospel in every classroom because i do not. what i think should happen is that it should be introduced in every classroom, alongside the state approved textbook. and the 1st day it should be okay, kids are like, what is the textbook? say about discovery quote unquote in columbus, what is the 1690 product say about it? i wish interpretation. do you think is better? what would better me? how do we know what we know? but to the point of your question, steve, how many people on any side of this quote, debate, unquote, actually want that? ah, the point i try to make my book is that unfortunately, most people enter these arenas, not because they want this thing that zimmerman is calling a debate. it's because they want to see their own point of view privilege. and that's the heart of the problem. if i did have any van jellico voice on the show to day, i think they would make you know an impassioned a statement about you know,

how they see values and culture and they have a right to legitimate right or to pursue their interests. but i guess the question i have is, you know, again coming to an equilibrium of, of, of what you think becomes possible. not lamenting the fact that change may be coming, this country's always coming. but how do you get it right? where we can have a fabric of different perspectives in this country, you know, over values over norms without the country ripping itself apart. i did, and i know that nina and give me a 32nd answer on it. well, i'd be ignited states has always, always experienced these types of struggles and has only ripped itself apart one time. so it is possible and it's something we hope to avoid. and i think the circumstances in 1861 were vastly different. i don't think we're headed towards that. i think, you know, jonathan has the right solution. i think a lot of it starts with education and it starts with us embracing alternative

perspectives. but also recognizing that if we want change, we have to organize for chains and we, you know, i think that one of the things that we have to do right is just recognize there are differences in this country. there always will be a huge country, organized for change and accept defeat as well. or thank you. and then finally, julie, i don't know anyone who is more of a political junkie than you and, and you and i are both going to be on. i think we all will, but looking very closely at the upcoming mid term elections in november, this is where our congress, big chunk of our senate are going to be elected. and i guess i would just ask you what's going to be on the culture war menu between now and november in addition to abortion, from your view, i think a lot of it is going to circle around corona virus and you know, many would argue and i hope so knock on wood that we are, you know, at that we see the light at the end of the tunnel. but i think you are also seeing

republicans continuously try to hit governors like gretchen whitman, for example in michigan saying that they were hypocritical during the corona virus pandemic. that they handled that shut down incorrectly, that they didn't do enough. you know, to ensure that society remained open, so i think you're going to see republicans sort of try to harken back to that and you know, on the issue of education, that's going to be a huge issue. and that sort of is related to corona virus, especially when it relates to those shut down. so i think you're going to see republicans really drive that narrative at the same time though, i think that's going to be lower on the docket for a lot of republic, at least at the same level. i think republicans are mostly concerned about crime inflation border. well, if i just want to thank you, always a tough conversation, fidgeting is very conceptual for folks particularly around the world. but i think you made it very real. i want to thank you very much. julia manchester national

politics reporter for the hill and professor jonathan zimmerman. and andrew hartman, thanks so much for being with us today. thank you. thank you. so what's the bottom line? you thought things couldn't get worse, didn't you? the disagreements about how american should live their lives have always been huge and they're not going away. once upon a time, americans literally went to war against each other because they had totally opposite viewpoints on slavery. and they still disagree about waiving the confederate flag. a 150 years later. the big question is, will america be white, christian lead nation, or will it shift to a multicultural society with no dominant religion or race? i thought the constitution sorta took care of this stuff, but no. will the u. s. government be more secular or will it enforce religious based morality? do americans still have a willingness to tolerate those who disagree with them and what happens to democracy if they don't? i don't like the use the term culture wars because politicians like the use these issues to divide folks and raised donations and when elections. but sadly, that strategy is working for them, and that's the bottom line,

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