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ukraine is seeking to have the fighters returned as part of a prisoner swap. and in moscow, russia's prosecutor general has asked the supreme court to declare the as a regiment, a terrorist organization and its parliament is now considering banning the exchange of captured as of members for russian prisoners of war. the so in those which push the sexual dervish nicholas, but they do not deserve to live off to those monstrous crimes against humanity that they committed and which are being committed continuously against our prisoners of war. they returned to us with their fingers cut off and so on. we should think carefully and maybe go along with this proposal. these animals in human form, we should get what they deserve. and then the president says he is optimistic about resolving issues with turkey over bids from finland and sweden to join nato. sally and mr. met with the prime minister, magdalena anderson in stockholm on tuesday. both countries are pushing ahead with our applications. even though turkey insists it won't allow them in to be alliance
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because of their large support who kurdish p k. k. fighters is not even in sweden and finland. we have agreed to go hand in hand through this entire process and tomorrow will file the application to nato together. it's the message of strength and a clear signal that we stand united going into the future ahead of us present. joe biden says the ideology behind saturdays, mass shooting in buffalo, new york is a threat to us. democracy is visited the scene of the attack, which left 10 people dead, most of them black. and he also met relatives of those killed a document promoting white supremacist views that was reportedly posted by the gunman, emerged on line off the attack. president biden is expected to call on congress to take action on gun ownership. the stream is up next asking what the ramifications could be if the ro versus wade ruling is overturned by the u. s. supreme court.
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i'll be back with more news straight off of that. do say this weekend meisner. ah, i i have family okay to day on the stream. is the legal right for women in the united states to have an abortion about to be restricted. u. s. supreme court justices. all debating right now with a row versus way that la my case, the grantee to constitutional rights and abortion in the us. they are debating whether that should be overturned. so discussion today is not about the rights and the morality of abortions,
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but it is about the ramifications. if ro versus wait is overtime. one row versus wade is overruled in the united states will not only impact access abortion care, but will likely impact access to control. they'll be an increase need and demand for contraceptives. particularly emergency contraceptives like b, which should be available over the counter in the united states. and we need to ensure all women and girls across all communities, especially communities of color at high risk for unintended pregnancy, have access to affordable birth control and emergency contraceptives. so we have legal experts lined up to talk to you to explain what the ramifications might be if the constitutional rights and legal abortion in the united states. if that goes away as early as next month on youtube, you can ask questions. you can put your comments, they're very,
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very welcome. please use the comments section here. we're waiting for your questions. now let me introduce you to our legal experts. we have lead the a wheeler. we have professor, good when a profess data really get have all of you all here, livia, please introduce yourself to international audience. hi, thanks so much for having me here. i'm lydia wheeler, i'm a senior legal reporter at bloomberg law and i cover health care litigation get to have you. michelle love to have you here on the screen. please introduce yourself to the stream view as you thank you. i'm a chance, a professor at the university of california irvine as well as a senior lecturer at harvard medical school, author of the book, policing the womb, invisible, women and the criminalization of motherhood. and get to have you and lovely to see the lives as well. welcome to the conversation. please introduce yourself. hi, i'm a lead settler. i'm a professor at texas at austin in the heart of the state where an abortion band is currently in place. i am wondering get 50 years of having
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a constitutional right to an abortion. and now we're discussing what might happen if this is overruled. how do you explain? i'm really interested in all of your, your take on this a little. you can saw i thing where we all right now, how was this possible? well, you know, we're pretty surprised that the supreme court's draft opinion was leaked to begin with. so that's where we are. you know, this has never happened in the courts modern day history that we have seen what the internal deliberations of the supreme court are. so that's how we got to where we are today with, you know, a clue into what this justice is might do here, which is it's their signaling that they're planning to overturn this precedent decision from 1973. and it's pretty clear if that happens what the future looks
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like is that abortion access will. busy depend on what state you live in, michelle, you're not in. go ahead at similar place. well, you know, i see this as the coming of the new jane crow. and what that means is that in the united states following slavery, black people still had 2nd class citizenship. that was an aided by the united states supreme court, upholding state laws that denied black people, full participation in government and society. and what we see if the supreme court does go ahead and dismiss until grovee. busy will be a new jane pro, meaning that for women, it will be a matter of 2nd class citizenship quite literally and even quite deadly. for many women who are black and brown in the united states, because of the u. s. all ready is 50 states in the world in terms of maternal mortality and states in the us that misses to be louisiana and texas are considered the deadliest places in the entire air. quote,
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develop world to even be pregnant. nick, how can you go 1st? yeah, 1st i want to jump in and that i think everything is right on i just don't know that i was surprised. i was surprised by the week i wasn't surprised by the fact that this is frame court want term road the weight and plan to do so. and part of that to do with the fact that texas and pattern plays a law that the ends abortion after the 6 week mark really after 2 or 3 weeks pregnant september 1st. because the supreme court, let me do that, let us go back to some extent. we're already seeing a repercussion here in texas a bit different from overturning of her, of the way. because people can travel to oklahoma or louisiana well, road i'm general and there's
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a deeper time period which maybe we can talk about. yeah, well, that deeper time period. i mean, i agree with you list that this is not something that is surprising. and for me, it's not surprising just because of texas as 8. it's not surprising, given the 2nd class citizenship of black and brown women in the united states and the fact that even in the 19 eighties and nineties, there were black women in places like south carolina, north carolina, and other states that were being dragged out of hospital in. busy shackles and chains and were significantly ignored by reproductive rights movements because these were not matters of abortion, but yet ventral to questions of reproductive justice. i agree with you in many ways, it is not surprising because in many ways, black women have been married in the coal mine and this has been something that certainly those who've been working in reproductive justice have been waving a flag about or a couple of decades now i was right in it and if i could just interject here and
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you know, it's clear that abortion is going to be legal based on what state you're in. what's not clear right now is whether states are going to be able to do anything to stop the residence that they have from traveling across their borders to another state where it's to legal, to just get the procedure there. and that's, you know, there's, that raises some interesting questions and, and some very untested areas of law. so i think we are likely to see many more legal fights, a head over abortion. i know that the supreme court with this decision is kind of really hoping that it washes its hands of abortion and doesn't ever have to deal with another abortion case ever again. i think that the supreme court would love it if that were the case, but i think if they overturn roe v wade here, that they're just opening up the door for a lot more legal challenges. olivia, how is it possible for the supreme court in the u. s to already make a president and then over turn that president. how is that possible?
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i mean, usually it's something that they say that they don't like to do is that they, you know, that this is always a question that's brought up when we think about supreme court nominees. and, you know, those are people who, that the president elects to the bench on, you know, trump has, had, had had several appointments. i'm in there, they were all asked, you know, do you respect the supreme court's prior decisions? and, and they all always say yes we do. busy so it's not very common that they over turn themselves on. it seems like this is happening more frequently and, but this would be a big of evil if they, if they do that here i'm, since we've had this law, a constitutional right to abortion on the books. since 1973. i want to basically brainstorm with you and just get your thoughts on what might happen. what do you feel might happen? having okay, a my laptop among those wanting of the right to a constitutional bush and kept over turning wrote rovers,
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his weight would move the country in the wrong direction. 84 percent of people believe that be a danger to women, 82 percent of people that believe that be a danger to america's rights. 82 percent of people believe that net start talking about the ramifications if this happens less. what is your biggest concern that you think this will happen? june or july? 2020. to go ahead. i think my 1st initial concern is the one that michelle raised that black women indigenous women, hispanic women, are, can areas in my, for women generally are more likely to be immediately impacted. and that's certainly always, you know, or this isn't the 1st time they are restricted, unfortunately, have many, many abortion restrictions in place. we have prohibitions on funding or abortion for women. and we know that those restrictions have had
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a real impact on for women and black women, indigenous immigrant women as well. so the out a little bit more because if you leave anything out of state, you absolutely get that you understand what the, what life is like for, for minorities and for people who do not have as many resources as many americans. what does that actually me if in june ro versus white is over turned? if you'll paul? yeah, i don't think i actually that americans really understand what women racialize, minorities go through united states, but a returns for poor women. what this means is that already abortion is very expensive. there's not insurance coverage for for women who find themselves pregnant, unexpectedly, need to scramble to gather resources, even medication, abortion, which is time limited,
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very expensive about $500.00 just for getting the abortion pills. and so with this basically means is for women have to pay for the procedure, they're going to have to pay for travel, they have to work out child care, they lose wages because they have to take off work. so it's sort of a snowball of various cost just for the procedure itself, and that's for those people lucky in our capable enough to be able to get access to the procedure. and i should add here. and if i can that, you know, abortion medication, and those are pills that the f d a has regulated and says that you can take, and it's safe and effective to terminate a pregnancy up until 10 weeks. those are actually things that states are already working to limit. there are states that have bands on them being sent by the mail. there are also restrictions that states have passed that require them to be dispensed by a physician in person. and so that limits a women's ability to do
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a tele health appointment and get a prescription that way and get it filled at their pharmacy. so we're already seeing restrictions in place just for medication, abortion, and that's going to be another area we're, we're likely to see legal challenges. michelle, i was us to want to feel podcasts recently. it was about tele medicine and also using drugs via as sold to you so that you can have a, an abortion at home. basically, it's another method of doing it without having to go into facility. you'll put carthage reporting rebelling, telling kind of sums up your approach to, to this entire situation. the idea that people using tele medicine and using drugs in order to work out how to create their own abortion without haven't going to a facility before this challenge to rover this way, tells me something about where the united states is right now. can you tell us more?
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well, sure, well, to point to that, i'd make there is that one abortions are very say the world health organization is compared to the safety of an abortion to a villain shot in the united states. a woman is 14 times more likely to die by carrying a pregnancy to term than by having an abortion medication. abortion has been a significant feature and how women are terminating pregnancy in the united states . incredibly ace. and there has been times in which has been subjected to kind of political football match during the trumpet ministration. and mr. prestone and basically drugs that are used to terminate pregnant. these were singled out amongst more than $20000.00 drugs as the only one where a person had to go in person in order to receive it. that's been changed now that biden has been on it. but it is one of the ways in which women may seek determinate pregnancy. but i want to go back to the prior point in terms of what comes next.
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and i think we can't emphasize that enough. these very high rates of maternal mortality and maternal morbidity in the united, in the united states. and louisiana. a woman is $57.00 times more likely to die by carrying a pregnancy to term than by terminating it in mississippi. a black woman is $118.00 times more likely to die by carrying a pregnancy to term. then by having an abortion now, this can be a matter that anyone can decide for themselves. but what is really a tragedy here is to be in these very states that have had history of human and placement and trafficking in human beings. and then jim crow that in these very state knowing those very start that rate that they would force women in those days like carry pregnancy to term it is unbelievable. okay, so let me just bring in here. paula johnson. paula johnson is a professor of law at syracuse university and she told us, i made this point just
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a few hours ago. i'm listen. the government should not have any role in those kinds of decisions. but typically where women's lives can often be held in the balance where we're not just talking about whether or not someone carries a pregnancy to term whether or not someone's life in health can be at issue for black women and women of color in particular, that's a major issue because our health care has always been something that has been disparate in this society. so that was simply compelled, as verse, a situation where the life of the mother would be parallel and her decision making about her own body and about her own future life. i did promise you, i knew that you could be part of this conversation. thank you for your questions
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and comments so far. guess i'm going to ask you to speedily reply to them levy. i'm going to give you this one from lance. when will the supreme court make a decision? what is the date? do you know if you're the, we never know when the supreme court decisions are going to come down, we know what the all they do is they announce what day are going to be opinion days, but we don't ever know what we're going to get what we do now is that the supreme court term runs from october to usually the end of june, and they have, i think about 60 cases left, that they need to issue opinions for. and so we had an opinion day earlier this week. there could be more announce this this week, potentially next week. so before the end of june, hopefully, but it could stretch into the beginning of july before we get a decision on roby weight. and usually for these big blockbuster cases, we call them the, the, and the cases on hot button issues that are going to have big impact. those are usually the type of cases that the supreme court holds until the very end. all
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right, so let me give this one to liz. this one comes from c dasa worth watching right now . thank you. if they overturn roe vs wade, they could overturn any supreme court decision that they don't like it's dangerous . less could that happen that might overstate the key. lots of people are very concerned about the draft opinion because it says that the constitution in the united states, in what we call the substance in due process clause, which is basically a protect the citizens of state from right funded mental right infringement. so what 5 mental rights are due process. the supreme court is trying to think like mary, right, raise children the right, the parent, the right to contraception and to the draft opinion says that what should be considered on the mental or only those right that are deeply rooted in the history
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and tradition of our nation and the draft abortion is not one of those. right. and actually it's just that the right to privacy and bodily autonomy was protected by history and tradition. they look back at century of the 900 century and by was abortion. one of the rights recognized, not surprisingly, the answer is essentially now, how when, when we were viewed as property and actually were property, let me just go to just picking up from what you said. let's let me put this one to you. michelle. different comes from leslie's watching right now. if i overturn roe vs wade, do you think that they want to go off to gay or into racial marriage? which is kind of what lease was saying? well, the higher the possible it is, because even though outrages who, who would do that, it would be, well,
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county clerks. right. so even though just as the leader in this week draft opinion says that their guard rails around that that's more it lose the reason real because all it takes is a low county clerk who's inspired by the signaling from the court to say, well, i will fuse to issue a marriage license to the same sex couple. i'll refuse to issue a marriage license to this interracial couple. i'll refuse to certify the adoption that this couple that's jewish want to have because the children they're adopting happened to be christian. and we've already seen this so that even though the supreme court says their guard, well, many cases don't make their way to the united states supreme court. so many things are really quite local, so, so long as a clerk refuses and a local judge of hope that or a family doesn't go further than that because they're dishearten. then we already see the dismantling of those rights to media. again,
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i'm just looking at the source from c, b s, and you got looking at the polls that they did with american to see where they felt that the supreme court should fall with as guiding rover says wait. and if it should be overwrought, 64 percent keep it as it is 36 percent over town it. if those 36 percent get their way the justices decide to over 10 rovers is way. what are the of a ripple effects beyond the impact on women and goals and families? what else might be impacted? why i think the show hit hit it a little bit there, you know, and as well lives about the reasoning in this decision, this draft of the decision saying that this is a right that's not deeply rooted in the constitution. and you know, if that's the case, then that same argument, progressive thing could be made for a host of other things, including the right to contraceptives, the right to gay marriage. you know, another interesting thing about this decision is also just the other type of abortion restrictions that this could be the way for. so in the decision,
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the conservative majority said, you know, work, abortion isn't a right, that's rooted in the constitution. but, you know, we, we think that states have an interest in protecting rights and so that's why we're going to, you know, overturn roe v wade. and, you know, if it states have, all they have to do is say that they have the interest in the interest is in protecting life or, or whatever the interest is. then there could be a lot of other things that are put forth. but states could do just as they were doing this because we have an interest in, in x, y, or z. guess i want to bring in one more one my vices, if i, my professor michelle to excuse me, one more voice, and this is from dr. silas, i think it's really intriguing to have a doctor's voice in this conversation because it's a medical aspect to what might happen that i hadn't even considered. but of course, medical practitioners have to his doctors, dallas every versus weight is a return. of course this will restrict access to portion in the united states. the
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intention is predicted that more than half of states will enact bands or restrictions in that circumstance. this will disproportionately impact those who already have less access to resources, and that includes people in rural areas. people, low income and black and latino people and other people of color. this inherent disparity in health outcomes and access concerns me greatly as a physician. i also worry about how we're going to train the next generation of people who will provide abortion care. it. half of our training programs are in states where worship is not allowed. who will be trained to provide abortions in the future? i hadn't considered about the training a states that then go to a fully restricted. you cannot have an abortion in this state. where will then the new doctors, the new practitioners, learn how to produce to actually do this procedure that hadn't occurred to me. something that did occur to me though, is that whenever we have
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a conversation that is involving abortion, we have a split in our orient between those who are for abortion rights and those who are not for abortion rights. so what would you say to the audience that says that they are pro life and they think that overtime roe vs wade is a good idea. how might that impact them? less and then michelle and then lydia. i think the pro life approach needs to recognize the people who are pregnant and become can become pregnant. right now we're going for a moment where the anti abortion may recognize we may see in the when on the horizon and there's talk about, well, maybe we should have policies that support families. maybe we should have health care for people. but these are all homeless. these, the anti abortion forces opposed 3 years. so i think we really need to think more
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deeply about what it means to be pro life, just like we need to really think deeply about the role of religion society, which is driving a lot of these changes. where it doesn't acknowledge that we have differences in religion, beliefs, many religious people in the united states share a basic conviction and other people's religion shouldn't control your decisions about family formation and bodily. right, the very end, if they show professor michelle goodwin, this is a terrible thing to ask you what i'm going to ask you in a sentence. what do you think might happen in june? in june, i think that the united states supreme court will dismantle roe v wade, and we will be half a in this country. i fully denying abortion right for significantly limiting them. professor michelle goodwin professor lis epa. lydia rena. thank you so much for helping us understand the legal ramifications if roe vs wade is over 10. thank you
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