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he's political change coming to lebanon independent add performance candidates make gains in parliamentary elections while some traditional parties news ground. what will the newcomers have the answers to pull the country out of a deep economic crisis? this is inside story. ah. hello, welcome to the program. i'm kimber now. lebanon has been called a failing state. it's currency is nearly worthless. food medicine and few are expensive and in short supply, people are unable to rely on basic public services like rubbish collection, and alec tricity to keep the lights on. many blamed lebanon's politicians for years
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of corruption and mismanagement. a parliamentary election on sunday was their chance to vote for change, more than a dozen reformist and independent candidates who emerged from protests against the government in 20191 seats. the iranian backed heads, while on that its allies lost their parliamentary majority. and some traditional parties performed poorly. the new m p 's face major challenges ahead. as in her reports from beirut, many of the old faces are back, but a meaningful number of new ones made it into lebanon's parliament, which now has a new balance of power. the iranian back has been a party and its allies lost their majority, but no other political grouping or party can claim victory. the opposition may be sizable, but not united. what is a 1st, however, and post civil war politics are the so called reformists, who want at least 10 percent of the seats. these are candidates not affiliated to
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any of the mainly sectarian parties. we have to be as a king maker because we have not, we don't have to be in the polarization. we have to create a bridge. those new voices will stand in the middle of long time. enemy's tensions have already spilled onto the streets. supporters of rival parties fought on election day 3 local observers also documented attacks on their teams by supporters, mostly from she. our groups has below. and among many observers, witness so many pressures, especially in the electoral districts of and the bol buckhead mull by some of parties, delegates, and agents, and even supporters. the she, our groups may have preserved the 27 seats allocated to their sect. but observer say they can no longer claim souls representation, or they did everything, they cancel, intimidates, voters, candidates and representatives,
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and the constituency. and at the same time, does also a gun at the vote. so there's a vote which went outside the box and to their opponents. and that happened for the 1st time in spite of their attempts to keep it contained through the ballot box. there is no doubt change has begun. but the old divide has bala and its allies on one hand, and the christian lebanese forces on the other hasn't gone away. governance leaders will lead to work together to agree on a new government and elect a president in a few months. political deadlock is not unusual in this fractured country, but there is an urgent need to adopt reforms and laws to rescue a collapse the economy and a polarized parliament won't make that easy. the divide dates back to the civil war which ended in 1990 after which power was divided between sects. but lebanon's parliamentary democracy is in reality, a consensual democracy. unanimity is needed for the system to work and peace to be
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maintained. santa hud ushers either be route. i then mentioned power was divided between the sects after the end of the war in 1990. and that system aims to guarantee political representation for all of lebanon's 18 sects. parliament seats a split between christians and muslims, and allocated to different denominations within each religion. the president must always be a maronite christian, the prime minister, assoni was them, and the speaker of the parliament, a she, emerson. ah, i did bring in all of our guests all joining us from bay roots. we have bettina l. a meal, a political activist and lawyer who was running for a parliamentary seat, jamal goslin a political commentator and writer, and talia abraham co founder and ceo of their asd dot com and independent digital media platform. a very warm welcome to the program to you all. i'd like to start
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with you that in a l. our meal. you ran out for parliament. you didn't win a seat in these elections. what's your take on the results? generally, as you look at them, how much of a shift is this rarely for lebanese politics? m. hello and thank you for having me said today, i think over at as an rules you, i think what happened in the selections was historic. for the 1st time, we were able to break them on a pool of the ruling class of the traditional political parties and to bring for the 17th of october, driving to the parliament. and now we see that the parliament is really a, from the people to the people. so i think it's, it's not negligible what's up, what has happened. all right, i'd like to cross over to you earlier, abraham. and do you agree with that assessment? i mean the has well our lead blocked, lost its parliamentary majority,
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but they still has law and amal still retained the same number of seats. so what does that actually say? i think you would you heard from from the candidates who has lost in those elections and consider them is static and indeed what has happened was for, for, for a piece protest, this will demonstrate those who in 2019 states was in editing. wait a big win for that. i didn't use for that. i didn't use a position if the, if we may say the people who haven't been is taking it for the last 2 years. and we've seen it across the country from the north for the past, with 2 seats in south, not being lost from the job to the of his below. and then we have the last of the vision faces invalid. and it didn't. you couldn't fix the presenting pretty much,
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you can, and again, across the country for exactly with the, to the shoe with and understand the i'm will have to this house with a headache and to the north with the place that i don't use that net losses for it has a nice in terms of losing the majority to be less majority that could allow levy imposing on the inside. i mean, this has been not even if you look at the mathematics in terms of the big loss of the s p n. if you that you know, the movement at the level that being legitimate and the biggest representative of the christian voters this has or to change because in numbers and the presentation. so across the board. so that we can easily say that this was best case scenario. who did i been a niece who i outside the political establishment and never know when it is indeed
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i would very much. it is a study at you mentioned the s p m for an international audience. that is the feel free patriarch movement party of president shall own which was the biggest christian blog is no longer. i'd like to pass over to you tomorrow goes in. what do you make of the results? is this actually indicative of a major shift? this is has been really losing support. absolutely not. this is the, i mean i don't agree that it's like pretty much expected that there was an expected law that was going to come to the ruling majority, the previous ruling majority in favor of emerging forces. the thing is that we still don't know where the division lives right now. one who actually may have majority. i think we do have an interest block between the former leading
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majority and the former part of government were in the unit, the government that decided to play the role of opposition. and right now we might see a different electrical map altogether, not to solid blocks, but there may be 2 blocks. and the swing block in the middle that is composed of old veteran politicians, the like the for the speaker of the house. and what each block, the leader of the progressive, the social movement will have known to play swing roles in the history of lebanon. and now they can actually have a bigger se, because they can play in the middle and swing one way or the other, depending on the issue. and i think this is what we're looking at right now. more than a complete shift in the, in the political power, those just a complete,
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it's just a shift in the makeup of, of coalitions that will be in parliament. ok. cost i to that in. and i mean, obviously, as we've been saying, one of the biggest things to come from these elections, the election of new independence. so the so called reformists looking to shake things off. can they really make big changes, given the rigidity of the entire system? i think since there is more than 10 m p 's now no, they're able to present an appeal in front of the can term of the consider constitution. however, i think our skins about them is that are now in parliament, is that they are from grassroots, or from the movements from the streets, from the heart of the 17 of october,
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appraising. this means that there will still be pressure on the streets. and this means there will be if the copper, some sort of cooperation with them, this means that we will all still support them and try to help. this means that we will still put more pressures more pressure, whether on the speeds, whether in the syndicates, whether in the universities or so i think care it serve as if we see it from a holistic approach. i think there's a lot to be done. aaliyah abraham can independence, actually work together as a block? how much unity is there. i this is a very important point. i think what the about to see, and this is of course, the taking into consideration. that's why this is used by the government by law, which you have seen in p as in previous episodes. it's less tonight inside the
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dynamics. i'm going to change the what we have seen over the last more than 15 years was that is ation within parliament. and just looking to put it nice, there was nope, with never know there was no was good and i was mentioning this idea because in the notes that i very important that i didn't speak, this was important that had been used to the evidence that the news now with this connection have shown us is that the news can be about the dice about the economy, about having it about having just about having an income. today you're talking about the going to it. 80 percent of the population is unable that you know, this is what people get and what the i see we are seeing people who are coming been now you look at the look of 17 people, the fact that they, they are not important how to present the different regions and nothing on the defect is not important. what's important is that the key from october 19th and
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from october 17 and that they would not even and now to walk inside that problem. and that is and then that will find them in today was who had it in his heart next to his wife trying to get it next the next to parliament. and now he is and i just leave that insight on. it should expect the change of dynamics within a webinar again and think that it's less to be put in that term on those people that are some would be extremely sophisticated balance in environmental issues, economic issues. and i'm pretty sure that input will not be a how important it is that the, i don't think it's that important that the, and the either presented as a block on will matters. ok if this is i just want to have a good on my own by here you, i wanna, i wanna push into something that you raise as you said, 80 percent of the population according to the un lives in some form of poverty. if
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you're looking at, i think it's 20 different indicators, things like access to sanitation, health, school attendance as well as things like income. i mean that's, that's phenomenal. if the population is obviously struggling so much. why where they're not more people voting for reformists. why were they not more people voting for independence? because it's for the sanction election as well. the boy cutting in some areas list benefit establishment, not going to give you a group of confidence. what you had is in the piece in the old, on the out. but it wasn't in peace and some people with that, the vote that before and what that would it would it would change in other people nor have that ability to go in certain areas and they would want to for the 3rd, it was more in it and other places was just a vote of no confidence. and then i don't even actually voted. this is a vote of no confidence in the political establishment. and then you will, connors,
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i already said they are going to be tested. a lot of people didn't know that it didn't, they didn't even have access to the need. yes. the i meant that, you know, so this is, this, is it easy understand to the test that was so much that was done to do what you did speak to today. people in the letter states is not to that. when they, i don't to be going to vote against the, against the defense, the establishment, the it was in the country. and one more thing was the court from that i needed not to to wait for the election, which, which again, played a lot like most not like deputy. so it was, you know, that's going to be good to know that. but again, we have to take into consideration that this was an, an by high have been out and that made a difference. and believe it of the, of the find that he's not always the day us with okay, jamal,
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go send that to cross over to you. what message if any, do you think that the voting in of this number of reformers candidates? what, what message do you think that sends to the political establishment? again, we must be looking at different numbers because if you look at the numbers in light of what was happening in lebanon, and we see that there is a strong affirming vote for some of the powers, like below got more votes and last time for the f b, m, they were predicted that they would be the demise of them. they lost a couple of voting, turned out what we saw there, like the new block that came in basically came and inherited the block that basically withdrew and white caught the election. and we're talking about the future movement, led by former prime minister start read it. and these people who we call are some
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people are calling before miss the is also assuming that they claim to be reform as we were talking about poverty and about the economic issues we have yet to hear any different economic proposals that might come from b is that some of these people actually of the can you candidates in parliament, they're actually carry the voice of the i, m f and the bankers, and they're pushing for the privatization of state assets in order to recover the losses of the ponzi scheme that the banks have so this is the, this is the very dangerous thing that the lebanese people might be, must be aware of because you have the illusion of new faces. but it's going to be the same economy policies that lead to this economic loves. they're basically how read neil, how rigorous, and i'm not talking about everybody here. of course i'm talking about. i mentioned that there are other that people didn't get stationed in the media. one of the
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candidates at $1.00 and $1.00 big market though was the host of a prime time t v show to create an alternative. i don't know what more attention in the media can a platform get. and a lot of the candidates that in his circle are pro, i am the policies they're pearl, privatization, and they are not any different economically with their policies than what god lebanon to this disaster that there. and it doesn't sound like you have any hope of any change. mr. carson, i mean, whoever is the new prime minister will have to work with the international monetary fund to try and get lebanon out of the economic crisis. so do you, do you have any hope for the future if, if what has gotten the country to this point, it sounds like you don't expect anything to change. well, this is the whole, i mean, the raising the hopes is dangerous, because the problem in lebanon is not technical. it's not a matter of
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a minor legislation here, or a law. here are policy here. it's actually structural. this country has been in trouble or, and on week ground systems is it's inception 100 years ago. we've always had collapses wars, and it's always a seems to spiral down into this area because there is a structure that a structural issue. you cannot have this country built on this confessional system, even if you look at the elections there right now, you see that there is under representation of people from certain areas in certain religions compared to others. and this has to do with their social class with their, whether they're all money or old establishment or not. so the division is elsewhere . it's not about this, and this has structure. this cannot be resolved by it. i just need to look at lebanon, needs a new constitution, and use a new, a social contract in order for it to solve its problems. i can see earlier if you
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want to jump in, what did you want to add there in your mind that they could change the newcomers? i knew or is that the time to test them? i would need that they need to get the time to be tested today. we are needing what have they done? the dollar has as john is even, haven't even walked inside argument and people asking change that is going to happen. so we need to give them time, but to say that the then the bank peers, again, let's look at the best. let's look at the candidates. that's the running on the list of admission in south lebanon and mr. my one hated the why is it presented? and that he's the owner who has played a role in transferring money that i've never known. when did the zinc did when he was on the, on the list of has been law and does not get would a bank, it will yet been back. and he lost to somebody who does not come from it. who does
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not come a i n s 2 kids who are on different b. what we are looking at that is, or this conversation that needs to be had about a situation and they've been r and b. i person the and absolutely not for setting government government access. even they're doing anything with them unless we have a functioning. would it be a good life? this is a government. this is a system that has already taken us into bankruptcy. it's cannot. it said it figured out the economics solutions, news, whatever it is. but to say that the newcomers are the ones, a few thing with the ins is, is simply the next correct. all the data show is exactly the opposite of where we are coming almost to the end of the program. we've got a few minutes left. and if we look at the road ahead, the current parliament expires the 22nd of may, then there has to be
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a new speaker elected. then the president calls for binding consultations to choose the prime minister, who will form a government. how do you foresee this process? how do you think it's going to go? i think that the challenge here is, i think for the 1st time for the ruling class, this is you believe that the parties don't have as we, as i was saying before, the monopoly over presentation. i think they are afraid because something has changed from the mental change. i agree with mr. my way of saying that, i think we need fundamentals, the magic change. but i think sometimes this kind of change can be met through the legislations. and i think if we continue to present some laws, if we continue to lobby from the inside from the outside to put pressure on the switch, but pressure everywhere, i think, yes, we can. we can meet the change that we want. as for the next towards mob,
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i think it's important for the next, i think what's, what's most important is the economic economical crisis. and the way out. and i think what's most important is not to sell the the, the states, the states resources. so i think that's the most important thing in the coming of phase. thank you very much for your time. but n l r mail to thank you all, i guess tomorrow got in and aaliyah abraham and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha. inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a j inside story. for me, kim vanelle and the whole team here and uh huh. bye for now.
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