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he says, a trial of not by piece important to fight the discrimination, but continues to exist to day so that wifi went delicately. institution violence against indigenous groups is very common. there's races among security forces and not all the case that investigated and there's impunity. one of the objectives the trial has to do with his putting an end to racism in the state and among security forces only again, tina has long prided itself of a europe inherited one that often neglected and persecuted indigenous groups. that trial of nap, i piece a step to revise history and give indigenous communities the place they have been denied for too long. this is betty said, well, i'll just cedar when a site is ah, it's good to have you with us. hello, adrian. and again, here in doha, the headlines, al 0 has obtained footage, showing that there was no fighting at the time that our colleague, serene elbow,
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or clay was killed by israeli forces. and they occupied west bank. it also shows that gunshots came from a position where israeli patrols was stationed, is where the military says that it's not opening a criminal investigation into deaf ukraine's. president says that the east and don bass region has been destroyed by russian forces and describes the situation as hell. moscow has shifted most of its focus to eastern and southern ukraine. an outbreak of monkey pox is spreading further around the world, germany, sweden, italy, and portugal have joined the u. k, the u. s. and others in detecting cases, it's unusual for the virus to spread outside west and central africa. joe biden as arrived in south korea to get his 1st asia trip. as u. s. president, it was to reassure allies about countering china's influence of the region and discuss the terrance is against north korea. those are the headlines, but he's continues here on. i'll just hear arthur, today's edition of inside story,
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shooting off the edge of the to ah could libby return to civil war once again to rival fight ministers adjusting for power, triggering fighting in the capital, tripoli? elections are delayed and peace talks have made little progress. so what's next? this is inside story. ah
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hello, welcome to the program, i am hashem. abala. people in libya are voicing fears of a return to civil war, to rival governments signed a ceasefire last year to and years of fighting following the fall of long timely them america half in 2011. they were supposed to work together and hold elections. but that hasn't happened on tuesday, the prime minister of the administration took try to install himself in the capital, tripoli that triggered st battles which killed at least one person and wounded 5. laura burton, molly reports a takeover, a tent at the crack of dawn, the prime minister of the rival parliament in the eastern city of tab brook tried
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to enter libya's capital on tuesday morning. but malicious loyal to the un recognized government and tripling open fire. on his convoy hours, the st muscles force fuzzy for sugar and his ministers to retreat. he's moving his government for now to 3rd. a city half way between tripoli and tab brooke basha says he doesn't regret the takeover attempt saying leader than tripoli are refusing to give up power. commodity. little us of that government has worked to delay and undermine the election. he. they refused to go to the election approved by the international community and the u. n. we did not resort to force or insults. we followed a political process sort of his rival abdul hamid debarber, accused the shocker of an attempted coup. unity be the let your i to her the own, the eyes of the libyans that i saw today, combined fear and panic. but there was hope and challenging them. whole,
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the fear is to go back to the passage and to war, to violence, to chaos, to destruction and to smoke. and libya has been split between rival powers in the east and west. since long time leader more ama gadhafi was overthrown and killed. 11 years ago of the years of fighting un peace talks lead to a thief fly. in march of last year, the opposing sides came together and chose the baber as the head of the national unity government set up. but split 3 emerged december when elections were passed phone because the disagreements on candidates and how to hold the vote. 2 months later, the to broke based parliament chose fatty basheba as prime minister. many libyans say, once the divisions to end up and the funky bushes put us in a very odd situation. the only solution for this conflict is holding elections over
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on the handle of yes, he does, who are fighting for power, can go fight in the desert. and we will welcome whoever comes back. victoria frances urged all sides to respect the ceasefire. but until the rival administrations agree on a path forward, many libyans fear more violence to come law about and manly for insight story. ah, let's bring in our guess in tripoli. so la, held by cush, political analysts in rome, sylvia colombo, associate fellow in the mediterranean middle east and africa program at the institute of international affairs in paris must awfully tory journalists and political commentator. welcome to the program or falla. let's try to understand exactly what happened, interpreted, so this is the prime minister. there was appointed by the tripoli by the ta brock,
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a part based parliament, fatty basher, got on his way to the capital to take over from the tripoli backed abdul hamid to the beaver, and suddenly st. battles. a ruptured. who is to blame here? well, a bachelor tried several times to install himself in tripoli, and failed and dis dime. he tried to enter tripoli at 3 o'clock in the morning or went to a house belonging to her and military and armed group and tripoli and the. busy he was a corner there at 5 'clock her in the morning to go. she ations started her with baby government that granted dashava and is that minister of health a safe passage out of the city. at the about 7 30 in the morning, her forces the loyal to the unity government,
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accompanied by sharla all the way to about 400 kilometers out of tripoli to their town of sheriff where he was handed over to a park of vizier, dead or military unit. and that it belongs to have them. and the thing ended there right there. and then after some clashes and the air like your report adjusted and the killing of one person. sylvia. this does not really seem like ace nice lated incident. this looked like, or a deep or political divide that has never been solved. yes, indeed. i mean, we have seen her over the past her a 9 months or so, actually a growth intentions political tension, sir, within libya after the 1st initial months of the government, of the bill. honey,
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the dba. it 2021. and it's part of a general attempt by political forces in libya to keep the conflict frozen in order to continue to benefit from the chaos the and from the situation of uncertainty. and this has, for example, been played out quite meaningfully in the way in which are in late 2021 at the needed to undertake elections. was confronted with the discussions about the need to start from revising the constitution and how the constitution should take precedence over the election. and i mean all these discussions and they locate the blocks that have been put to the electro roadmap, have been just the way to boycott and lay a process that was very fragile from the very beginning. but that could have in the end, brought libya to the next stage. now we are kind of frozen in the situation of being
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really at the beginning of, of the, of a transition. and a lot of uncertainty exists. and a lot of efforts that have been made in the past and both could be one, e and a half since a cease fire was reached in late october 2020 have been wasted. ok. must suffer. so in 2021, the united nations are lead a political process to put an end to the instability in the country. that process, by the way, for of that had needed to be where to take over as prime minister then in february, this year the parliament into block decides to appoint that he basheba as prime minister. was this a legal law from a legal perspective? was it a legitimate decision by the 2 broad based parliament? one, thank you, hasn't we're having me. i think if you,
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if you consider debaugh lament that give me bear the vote of confidence last march . and marcia law of last year, after he was elected by the liberality, got the dialogue form and tunisia, as you mentioned, if you consider that bon limon to be legally elected then legally and bower and it's mandate has not expired, which, which is of course not true then you have to accept that the it's the same bon limon that came back and voted mr. bush again. and we have to remember something very important here at the fact that they're the same bod, limon is true. mr. bay, beth, the voice have gone with us at last september, so he became literally ease, legally speaking, a caretaker by a minister until election, which was
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a bland for december. but that did that did not happen. so did he gal at the issue here? actually, he touches every body, you know, whether you say, if the bon lament is not legal, then it's not legal. and the 1st across the board, that means bringing in a given gay at bay, but was of confidence. as i mentioned then it's a legal has one, okay, you can't really, you can't really say what's, well, it's a democratic league and a bruce is when you get the voice of confidence and then when you lose that, and they're being replaced, you say, wow, that's a fraud, and as i understand of a while, i ask that question about about the polymers, because you have 3 institutions. he how the panama, to look at how the unity government, based in tripoli, and you have the with the state council and the 3 institutions grading knows of problem for the international committee and people trying to understand what is
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happening, olivia, for this is why i am going now to select on that this is what is happening as we speak the, the total of based parliament is saying, such hippa saga has to take over that hipaa saga has to oversee the drafting of a constitution. there would be conducive to new elections. thou would usher in a new era in libya. people interpret are saying no, but him and the had needed to be base not going to hand over power until the elections are held until there is a new legislature put into place. so we have, we have 2 different narratives here we have to different world views here that let no occur. look what, oh, what mr. victoria said is not very precise. ok. the parliament gave that baby government a vote of confidence. but mr. fe tories told you correctly that the government was not chosen by the parliament was chosen by the libyan political dialogue forum in
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geneva. so okay, you can, you can at the air, take back the vote of confidence which you gave the government by air by acclamation. but you can't install a new government, that's the business of the l. p. d. f, which installed at baber, the parliament did not choose baber, the parliament. as a matter of fact, mister basheba and mister id leather h o r president. where on the opposing ticket to mr. it baber and mister murphy and they lost in geneva and that's why baby came to powers. secondly, secondly, the article 3 of the road map is states that the, that the, that the mandate of the government extends 18 months provided that elections are held on the 24th of december 2021. which didn't happen as
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wide baber, which did not happen. so that's why it be best saying would some my, i guess justification that he will, he will hand over power to an elected government. the thing is that the think with that we have to understand is that neither of baber nor bashar are the important thing here. the poor thing is that we need elections, so we can get rid of her at the, the high council of state and the parliament which have been in power for 10 years and jointly responsible for kenny transitional government. okay. given labor keeping at bay, that is the only leverage we have to force these 2 bodies to give up power and as fat. the elections that you point 8000000 people demand by wrestling for the
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election. sylvia. it says that it is good if there's absolutely no way to have elections in libya and unless you bridge the divide between the east and the west, which has been the main reason why we're having this progress. and for this, i would like to ask you, do you think that this is the ultimate problem of the international community of the you and in particular, which has failed to deliver on the promise to unify the libyans. while there are a few points here, are we know by experience of other countries that elections are ultimately and by nature devices. so in the countries of child libya, it's very difficult to use elections as is building tool. and this is not going to, he's not going to work, but the same time as the previous speaker has outlined by correctly. we can't, we can't obtain to a new stage. we can't overcome the current and deadlock eve,
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so we don't to move up to new legitimacy, new or legitimate, or for issues that can really address problems and leave it problems are not the institutional problems. there are other issues and security issue of course, but also it cannot make issues that people care much more about. and what it, tim saw, the 2nd point about the international community. i mean, i think the failure of the un that i'm in is due to many manufacturers. of course the end, the bar please. this is also due to the fact that the b land and i'm in the road map and the way have been managed, has the depleted receipt of this institution in the eyes of oblivion. people. we know that there is also a looming, bad line. the for the mandate of the un mission, libya end of july this year, which is quite important to recall. and so we don't know exactly what will happen.
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and the just now western external players are starting to realize that the, if the, this mandate is not really we will lose the external the rational committee will lose in terms of being able to, to influence or to support the libyan transition. whatever form is. so it's also true that in the past 12 years, he hasn't been very sick as well because of men resistant. think from the again, people themselves is everything land, mass of them must suffer. the, the, the, that the tripoli based in national unity government, has always been skeptical of any attempt by that to book based parliament to move forward. they say they are being manipulated by the most powerful man in the east. holly for half turtle, or gast rate, a qu to undermine the people in the,
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in the west. what do you think would be the next reaction for halley, for after, against the backdrop of this political deadlock? well i, i don't really expect much from mind, but at least speaking from mr. after, at the moment, i think everybody is like he to wait and for dirt firm position if you like, until after mid june or 23rd of june as the road mad dead brokers by stephanie williams last year, or come to an in which means that the government of mr. baber will also come to an end, and that's, that's the big problem. that's the big question mark, because what will happen then? i think basically, what has been happening in libya, says 2011 says the foreign military intervention, or the lack of contingency plans, if you like, or blan a and blame b,
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which means by which i mean, if your blend a fails, do you have a plan b now to implement that black that has not happened in 2011 because what happened, danny was, libyans were promised a bar dies, you know, in their country or for democracy and economic growth. once the good that he and his government are gun, the following day. they are gun and deadly be ended up where it is today. there was no blame be the same thing happened there on 1st problem. what with with mr. bay, but was the fact that he bribed his way into the the bolster for by a minister without the bomber investigation from the united nations at the time. so that, that was in november. i'm in tunisia during the day at the local session of the looking for the school dialog continues you before them over there is enough. i
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stop, you saw santa they, when you look at the situation now, libya where were were when that when the divide was going on, you create a, some sort of regional realignment, it shifts the u. e and russia. they were providing support for the east katara turkey. were providing support for the west is it is, is the image is the political landscape still the same? definitely. as far as, as the emperor's, his concern is no longer providing the support it was providing have done before. it has been reduced tremendously. if not stopped altogether, it found, i guess in the baby i know the quantity. the market is noah davis. since he was a high government official in the goddamn few regime and they seem to be
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comfortable with them and down constant communications. the egyptians don't want elections because elections mean definitely that i get a thought, i have not going to be back as head of the parliament. an after her will, will be under great pressure because he's always claimed he has always claim that he will only submit to an elected government in libya, and they know that a new were elected their government. the libya may not guarantee the survival of after. so these emotions are adamant about opposing elections and supporting agular sala and after. i also noticed that half current i gala, there were the ones who oppose the government. a. d, a g, a, d, g, a, need. the government of national concord of misters arise. since his beginning and
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that government was born out of the federal agreement between the parliament and dia, gnc at that time, have her again, after agreement between the, the parliament and the year. how the high council of state and other armies in geneva up declared 3 months after the after the government got it, sir, mandate from the parliament that he does not recognize his government and ban mr. baber from entering the east of the south. let me that so that's why her so that's why stephanie williams in her opening speech and kyle said, we tried everything, she right transitional government, we tried power sharing agreement. we have to go to election because all other solutions. and she also said when it consensus, sylvia, do you think that with the kyra talks, that could be an opportunity to reconcile some of the differences between the key architects, particularly the turks, the egyptians, the amenities,
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the authorities about how to move forwards. well, because little of been crafted in a way to kind of go in love to the, the process that started in berlin in january 2020. and that there was the building to conference one year ago. and i don't see why the current so should succeed in bringing, you know, the regional layer of the backers of the different factions. yet to i mean the common terms, particularly because the, as i said, the title above and have an interest in that leveling the playing field and allowing the mediums to choose freely. we're going to be going to be with them. so i don't really trust this process to have any meaningful results. it is a good opportunity for the time being is to keep the channels of communication open
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. but i don't think it's gonna solve the right, told them. and this is an example of the fact that the regional players are back in, in the field, the in controlling the process because international community large and they've got people as kind of lost control of the situation. most of this must be a very delicate moment for the libyan people. they're. they're looking at the situation. the politicians are jostling for paula biggest say, under the same time, the concern that this could be conducive to civil war once again, the country well, however unlikely the possibility of another civil war zone was there in libya as always of a bigger discount. present trends can do. we have to remember that the dish cuz increase since the end of mr. after on the fire, last 5 minutes commission, which you brought in the seas. fire and 2020 has already suspended. it's
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worth the submission, the whole 5 of them. and they not just that they recommended to must after to suspend, consider to cease fire, you know, suspended and may even ask them to take certain measures to make sure that it is not in place anymore. and then of course they, as usual, they accused the other side, the government, g, n e o n n a y, a late in the terms of the sci fi, and they are partly right in this khaki zation. because is mr. baby, when the shadow was voted, then last february took certain measures that really violated the seas via but but, but not in terms of my while answer. i'm thinking again that's yes, thank you. thank you very much. indeed. most of our photography, sylvia colombo,
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