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serene. a black name was killed last week and were on common ports. ah, morn is berry. i'm just fed and promised to take revenge for his killing. islamic to had claimed the 17 year old as one of his members. wow. he was killed by israeli forces in jeanine refugee camp in the early hours of saturday. oh, these really army is intensified night raids in jeanine in recent weeks since the beginning of the year 20 palestinians had been killed in the camp and the town of the town is also where al jazeera joan, the sharina barclay was shot in the head and killed by these were ayame. she was on assignment and wearing a helmet and vest clearly mocking her as a journalist. but israel is refusing to launch a criminal investigation. and now 57 american politicians have signed a letter demanding the f b. i to investigate republican congressman andre carson tweeted the killing of out
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as a reporter and fellow american sharina. blacklight was not only a tragedy. it was an affront to press freedom and to all americans. adding, we need answers and accountability from these really government agnes calamari of amnesty international tweeted. it's the additional violation of sharon's right to life and a clear violation of israel's obligation under international law. one amongst many, she goes on to say, this is what repression and domination look like. some lives simply don't matter. oh is really forces storm the procession and started beating mourners, causing pallbearers to almost drop her casket. ah, that didn't stop thousands of palestinians marching through occupants, jerusalem to take part in a funeral. and during israel has tremendous support within the u. s. and that's the reason why they've been able to so far, resist pressure on opening investigation into serene blacklist deaf however, with international voices growing louder, how much longer they can resist. that pressure remains to be seen. iran con oh,
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to 0. occupied eastern authorities center left labor parties projected to one the general election, but may not secure. parliamentary majority labor, lead anthony albany. he had appeal, frustrating to have faith in his policy and almost a decade of conservative government. the prime minister scott morrison had hoped to defy consistent opinion polls showing that he would lose you as president joe biden says, he's willing to meet north korea as kim john and the security talks. if he's serious and insult meetings with the new south korean president, human stock you'll talks have focused on north korea's nuclear weapon program and it's corona virus outbreak. russia says it's destroyed a large batch of weapons and military equipment delivered from ukraine's western allies and said it carried out a missiles strike me a right well at railway station in the tamir west of the capital. keep room is your
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50 for the armed forces of the russian federation continued the special military operation in ukraine. high precision, long range, sea bass missiles near the marine railway station and shot to me region have destroyed a large batch of weapons and military equipment delivered from the us and european countries for a grouping of ukrainian troops. and don bass. russian air base missiles near odessa at your desk port plants have destroyed fuel storage is intended for ukrainian nationalists armored vehicles. the current president has again spoken of ways to end the war, which he says will only bring more carnage the longer it drags on e. but am will hobbled daughter squat to victory will be difficult. it will be bloody, but it's and will be in diplomacy. i'm very convinced of this. there are things that we can't bring to an end without sitting at the negotiation table. that's how it is. because we would like to get everything back and russia doesn't want to give back anything. a storm that sweat theory,
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western germany has generated 3 tornadoes, killing one person, and entering 40 others round, bright transport has been disrupted throughout the region. and is continues here now to sarah bottom line is next ah hi of steve clements and i have a question as it plays a key role in the war in ukraine and rallies against russian expansionism. how does poland see the future of this conflict and its role in the world? let's get to the bottom line. ah! since day one, poland has stood firmly beside ukraine as it tries to defend itself against russia's invasion, the atrocities of war. they are in an unknown future about half of the ukrainian
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refugees fleeing this war. around 3000000 people have been absorbed by poland and it's been the major passageway for nato, provided weapons flowing into ukraine for the last 3 months. but it hasn't been easy. russian political and military leaders are now threatening war, saw for providing material support for ukraine. and according to some recent estimates, polling gets more than half of its energy from russia is trying to end its dependency on russia that poland is a large nation and supplies will need to be back stop by western allies. but will the math of all this add up? joining me today is polling ambassador to the united states america, mac year, off ski. before arriving in washington, last fall, he was poland ambassador to israel, and for more than 20 years before that he was a journalist and columnist in his country. ambassador, thank you so much for joining us. so you know that having that is great. i mean, you understand the journalist questions and the given take, and i really appreciate you being here today. but what i'd like to give our audience and understanding of is how is the polish citizen see across its border into what's happening in ukraine, and what are they feeling?
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what are they seeing and how is it absolutely relevant to their lives? what parish citizens say, you know, in a korean is about bar, it was on laced by and autocratic regime against an independent and free country. i've always been pretty adamant that i've said this repeatedly, during my stay here in washington that we are facing on eminem threats. we have been talking about russia as near burial ambitions. all along and know lessened at least in europe. there were many countries which considered poles, my fellow countrymen, as paranoid and rufus holidays. merry turns out to do right, full so many years for decades about russia's real intent on our continent. and it was a picture i think is really important. and you said it because i remember when poland would outline its concerns, it would ask for more
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u. s. military and nato military forces to be deployed in poland. but there was this view that russia was kind of a basket case and it would never create the kind of tensions and threat that it has . now, when did that shift? you know, i'm lucky to have lived under both systems because i was born on to communism and i experience command economy. and then i lived on to democracy and savage capitalism, which i enjoyed so much, especially at the beginning of the 90s. and i know something about us over the mentality and you can see that the job, if you will, of that. so been mentality in contemporary russia, especially among the political leads which now rule this country from the kremlin. i believe it's fair. i'm not a soothsayer. so it's very, it's extremely difficult for me to predict what will happen in russia over the next 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years, let alone europe, to what extent russia will try to stabilize the situation. in the whole region. i
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think pertain it's no secret, but it has an obsession. with the korean, we can only remind all of you as all stat famous essay he wrote and published in july last year in which he claimed the russians and ukraine in all the same nation. they shared the same history. paradoxically, what food has proven so far since the beginning of his war and russia's war against green is the mere fact that russians and ukraine is not the same nation. so he has strengthened, they agree and national identity. and of course, if he going back to your initial question about violence, role and food and vision, i believe that hooton's main fear is to have a prosperous, wealthy country at russia's border, a post soviet republic. we're lucky not to be soviet republic. after world war 2, ukraine was
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a favorite republic for decades. and this is the domain of preoccupation and main apprehension of the russian ruling class nowadays. no, i don't want to ask you to speak for the russian people, but i'm going to anyway, there's another dimension here where we see polls that show a lot of support for now i happen to know a lot of russian people and i, and least the ones i've talked to don't feel such support, they don't, they can't talk publicly about it without fear of, you know, incredible reprisal and threats from the russian government. but, you know, when you sort of look at what's unfolding, what happening and russia's being isolated right now? you're the closest, you know, russian folks, are they not getting a sense of the crisis that essentially they're going to be cut off from so much of what we consider madera unity now putting came to power and the 2000. so it's been more than 22 years of brainwashing and indoctrination. as i said, putting lives with his obsession, he actually lives in the past,
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not in the present. he still feels humiliated. it was him who defined the collapse of the soviet union and the fall of communism as the greatest ah, calamity. or in terms of fer geopolitics in the 20th century. those warehouse brit here. his precise words, ah, defining that watershed moment in europe's history. he is feeding himself with better obsession, so he also can feed of the russians not only himself, but also the russian society as humiliated, constantly humiliated by nato by the west. by the free world, he's not using duster but we should start using dis term. the free world, ah, just opposed to water the russian society is experiencing now. so i'm on the one hand, i am not surprised by all those balls which have been coming out over the last weeks. no. only some of them are relatively credible about the russian
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societies and the russian populations support for the war. and for booting himself between 70 and 80 percent of of the people are supportive for military operation. and he agreed, ah, i again, i think that maybe those numbers are not precise, but it's a imaginable that this is more or less the support booting is enjoying right now in the russian society early because maybe not only maybe don, this is not the only factor and the only reason that are a bad, principally because of that sense of humiliation. and because of that, a sense of in circle meant by data, which is a completely false claim. but i would say deeply embedded in the russian collective psyche. you know, another thing we've all been watching is sort of a heroism of the polish people on another front. and that is providing homes for
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ukrainian refugees. i mean, millions and millions of people. and to my knowledge, you don't have refugee camps. you don't have, it's a very different kind of absorption of ukrainian people and it begs the question of what's going on? how does poland carry that load? because even if millions of refugees are going to homes, that's a huge demand on infrastructure. and of course, it may eventually change, you know, the pool of talent that you have working on. so this is a long term thing. can you give our watchers and understanding our match are not surprised by the article ringo. solidarity and sympathy towards creating broad red . ah may be slightly, but we've always been generous. i think that the image of, of potent as a country which is somehow inherently anti immigrant. aah! is completely false. totally distorted. so i'm not, i was not surprised by that outburst gulf of solidarity on the part of the polish
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fight. you're absolutely right. there are no refugee camps in berlin. this is probably the 1st humanitarian protest in the rapids crisis in europe. history in which the whole country does not need to build refuge a gap. we've had some of a few congressional delegations coming to boat and from america. and many of those congressmen were asking deaf odors called to bugs. well, the rapids got through. we'd like to visit one. unfortunately, they couldn't. ah, but they did meet with you korean and refugees who all of course, extremely grateful to falls under the buddhist society for that reception. i. on the other hand also of course, is a huge burden. also 3400000 refugees who have already crossed the border into poland since the beginning of the hostilities. ah, some of them re emigrated to other european countries. some of them it returned to ukraine. by the way, i thanks to a bill which was approved by the polish parliament
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a few weeks ago. all those green and refugees can apply for parish id more than a 1000000. ah did so far and so about 94 percent of those people, all women and children, 94 percent, all man fight any green for their homelands. freedom and, and sovereignty. ah, this is incredible. this is something which will be ah, unforgettable. and remembered for many years to come by both nations. and i guess, you know, the obvious question here is, it's a dicey question america, when it comes to refugees and, and how long that that can last before it becomes a political challenge. and political problem. you have any sense that there's any cost that the duties government will pay for its generosity to day. oh, well, politically it's all it's so it's complicated, of course, but i think when you, when you look again, if you look at the polls in poland at all, those surveys which are, are somehow asked 40 and examine the polish the fight,
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his attitude towards ukrainians. it's also pretty encouraging because before the war there was fertile ground in poland for the absorption of hundreds of thousands and even millions of ukrainians. ah, because we had approximately 1500000 ukrainians living and working in poland. ah, very few racial incidents like faces verbal, physical assault on the green ins only because he or she spoke green in all the street. it happened really rally a boat so that, that, that, that solidarity and that sense that so they are all a slattich brought it and we share a common enemy as well. this is also important in that perception and well, philosophically speaking, if russia attacks one of all the neighbors, no matter the religious differences, no matter the ethnic differences, no matter the linguistic differences. although our language is also similar to each
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other, that the greatness, for example, learn polish in a matter of months, which is also a very important factor in it. when we talk about the integration of those who grin in refugees, into the body, society, and into divulged labor gap. so when russia attacks one of our neighbors, it's almost a moral obligation to roth and a historical obligation to defend it. and also defend indirectly our own freedom. you know, we just recently interviewed simon schuster simon wrote the time magazine cover story, spending a couple of weeks with the leadership inside key of and particularly with present to landscape is very riveting account what happened in and he shared with us that zalinski does have a concern about the continuity of interest and continuity of commitment, particularly the united states, but other allies. their senator, mitch mcconnell and john bras on susan collins, went over. but we've seen a vote on ukrainian aid, get 57 know votes in the u. s. congress,
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which was very surprising to me. you know, you interact with this town a lot this congress, are you worried about america's attention deficit disorder coming up on having a problem in our 1st and foremost, i am not authorized to comment on american domestic politics. does not, i'm not going to go into detail of those deliberations about of told vote and a fan it. ah. however, i, as you rightly noted, i was a journalist for over 20 years. so i know more last, a mechanic and i, i realize i am acutely aware that in 2 months in 3 months time, the interest of the american public opinion. but at principle applies also to europe and to other countries, will fight away. no matter as that all and shortly all we will are, you know, our witness, a protracted confrontation. we have roe v wade. ah, we have inflation. we have the ongoing border crisis in america. so all those are
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of that be it, those topics all flo day. but steadily pushing golf the ukraine and had life if you will, probably american media and so on. again, i also realized that this is a window to put it up brutally. that has a window of opportunity for poland to lay out it's vision and a tutor to show how important potent is and how pivotal poland has become over the last couple of weeks for europe's security. and also for the united states. um, security for the united states interests in this part of the world. you another dimension, i just love to get your geostrategic hat on a lot of people almost in the u. s. prep press have in a way, de facto come to the conclusion that there's no way the ukraine can become a member of nato, given what bill burns once called, bill burns, now director of cia, but, but once ambassador to moscow said,
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was in neurologic issue for the russians, ah, and, and i'm just wondering if that's smart, that when you look at what nato has done as an alliance for polish security, but the baltics and other neurologic issues for russians. ah, whether we should be accepting that notion that ukraine not become a member, there was a maze. what is your official view, or what is your private? there was a, a mean circulating on social media a few weeks ago about nato joining ducari and not the other way around. ah, i, it's often very green and of course they have to fight about the f b. i mean, the aspirations are pretty clear. ah, there, i mean, the approval rating off nato as an international guy organization has skyrocketed and new green. ah, it's up to them to decide whether they want to join this organization. certainly not up to the russian. certainly not up to mr. put it. to decide what direction
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ukraine will be heading in the future. but i will tell you what the game changer could be for ukraine and for europe, and also probably for the united states ukraine in joining the european union. i just wanted to remind you of 1st 2014, a young coverage with brad that he was ousted from office the might on revolution. it was not because you couldn't wanted to join nato. it was not because america was building was building bio lapse right. and you, it was because of the accession agreement, ukraine was about to sign with the european union. this is what put in fears, as i said, put in fears, a prosperous country at russia's border and he fear the country which effectively, ah, cracks, dominant corruption, for example, because this is the core, one of the core issues in terms of russia's relations with the neighboring countries and especially those which had belonged to the soviet union before the collapse of communism. corruption is the most fertile ground for russia to meddle,
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into the internal affairs of kazakhstan to man is thorn. ukraine. bad arose and many other countries. polish political leaders have been unambiguous that the only thing putin recognizes in respects is force and power. ah, i'm just wondering if there is a consensus about that inside europe. french president emanuel macaroni said, we're not at war with russia. we need to work towards a ceasefire. a ceasefire should be our priority. it always gets his back into that trap of looking at again. it's what is deprecation and what is appeasement. and, and, and just what are your insights about how europe is looking at ukraine beyond porch boys? i don't think that's a domestic question, but really about the state of european consensus about what i gain are not entitled to comment on french domestic. and i will have to be very diplomatic all on this one. so it will take a while, because before i find her the correct or a words ah,
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there are some clear discrepancies within the european union. ah, it's no secret that france and germany have a different opinion on. ah, how we should proceed. especially in terms of all 4 sanctions and imposing even a more severe punishment right on her, on russia, in a longer term. but i think where we're at, when you mentioned or of the false or something that russia really respects all putting himself is honor. it's not only about force isn't only about deterrence is also about stamina and determination. for example, to uphold the economic sanctions. are for many as to comp. if we are not ready and willing to keep the pressure on russia for the next 5 to 10, or even 15 years, we will not see russia, the russian economy being effectively crippled. and i believe this is all a,
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it should be at least, ah, the russian society has yet to feel the pinch. the sanctions have yet to kick in. so it will take a while before we will see the real effects of, of this common front of the europe and union of the united states and of some other countries have joined all our camp. in this particular situation, we have to be patient, but also determined it also pretty persuasive and making all the point. it all talks with all the french, german author and all italian partners. you know, speaking of feeling the pinch when i look at poland energy profile. no huge, you're a huge energy importer. so oil, gas, oil, oil, gas company comes from russia. right? and coal. and when you kind of look at that, and the polish moves already, just suspend gas imports to suspend coal imports into commit by the end of this year to end oil imports. how is that going to be back stopped?
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and when you look at your alliance structure, when you look at the united states, but it's not just us, it's, you know, cutter, it's other places in the world. how does the math add up that you're going to keep energy flowing in places because that, that infrastructure was not there before. and are you concerned for your own citizens about how big that pinch will be? are some european countries were addicted to russian gas? oil mostly gas, full decades, ah, many years ago and came to the conclusion that we should render all country are entirely independent of impulse of russian gas. and as with what we do, we are doing right now by october. we are about our long term contract with gas brom expires. we are not going to renew it. and a new pipeline to focus baltic pipeline will be operational. ah, we will deliver gas from the norwegian continental shelf via denmark,
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to the polish stretch of the bowl to coast. ah, 6 or 7 years ago. there it was 5 years ago we inaugurated and ellen g terminal. also unable to coast, we are importing in our gas from the do not at stadium from merck at all. and we also have them all own resources of this particular raw material. ah, it is a very encouraging and very reassuring development because we have always focus on energy security or as one of the most important pillars of all our collective security. so it is happening in out. it is happening now, and we are so glad that there is an ongoing discussion also in germany about that, that possible shift in germany's energy policy. if they have started even started talking about a return to nuclear, this is or something really impressive and remarkable. i don't know whether they will finally choose to this path, which would be
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a revolution in germany for internal politics. ah, but i hope that we will find common ground also with countries which sure are now hesitant to cut off all those economic ties with russia. let me ask one last question. i was recently in estonia and was somewhat pleasantly surprised, but also kind of shocked to see that they have already moved to begin bringing young people into the woods to train them for the kinds of combat that we're witnessing in ukraine. our generals are talking to these mostly young men, but also women about hard core person to person defense and their role in that is that happening in poland. it has been happening in poland for quite a few years. we created the so called territorial defense a few years ago, which was at the time criticized by some circles as
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a waste of money and time and energy. now returns out and we can see your grins experience. and we can see how important this kind of warfare is and how important it is to prepare the younger generations for the eventuality of the confrontation with, with our neighbor. again, i do hope that we will never have to fight for our freedom as the green in fall doing right now, but we always have to be prepared. well, we'll have to leave it there. and master merrick mac, you're off sky ambassador of poland to the united states. thank you so much for joining us. did i? pleasure? thank you. so what's the bottom line? in some ways, the polish right now are more patriotic about freedom than many americans are. they've seen 1st hand it up front, what a power vacuum near russia can create. they also see their neighbor fighting for its life and very existence. and while ukraine remains defiant, let's face it. there's never any certainty in the outcome of war. the reverberations of russia's important decision to invade are going to be with us for
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decades, and have already begun to change the international system. poland is on the front line. america is a bit farther away, despite being heavily involved, but tying together their fates and creating a unified wall against further russian aggression is going to be vital. and that's the bottom line. ah. in november 2020 strengths security services carried out operation luck. so if i opened my eyes and saw a machine gun pointed at my head, i'll just do well, who's to vienna and grunts to examine events and allegations of his lam. a phobia is a terrible mistake because he's a fick from said to young feminine austria operation. look so on al
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jazeera. oh i i rather you go in the world warner line goes to make it for you. exceptional cut. all right, we're going places to go. ah hello, i'm marlene sladen, doha here, top stories on al jazeera. a funeral has been held for a 17 year old californian boy shot and killed 5 ready forces in the occupied west bank.

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