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[000:00:00;00] ah, al jazeera selects in november 2020 a strand security services carried out operation lock. so if i opened my eyes and saw a machine gun pointed at my head, al jazeera well goes to vienna and grunts to examine events and allegations of his lamb. a phobia, this is a terrible mistake because it afflicted some said 2 young families. austria operation luck saw on al jazeera ah hello and darn jordan dough. with the top stories. aaron al jazeera,
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the u. s. president is approved an additional $40000000000.00 aid package for ukraine. the bill was flown to south korea for biden's signature where he's in a tour of asia latest financial packages on top of the already $13600000000.00 worth of funding. the u. s. government has pledged to the country. kimberly hallett has more from washington dc when the money that the united states applied to ukraine began to run out, and it is nearly exhausted in terms of military support. the u. s. president asked for $33000000000.00. well, the u. s. congress, which controls the purse strings in turn approved $40000000000.00, and that is what the president signed into law. in other words, the congress wanted to send the signal, look at, we are not only going to prove this money, we're where to send more than what you ask for, which is something that rarely happens. and that is the reason why it was to send vladimir putin or message that there is overwhelming support in the united states
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for ukraine and pushed back against russia. and in terms of what this money is for, it's not only to kind of back fill the money in the equipment that has already been sent. but in addition, there is also going to be new military equipment in the form of stingers and, and javelins, but also training and logistics support. and also there's going to be 5000000000 that's also going to be allocated for really addressing one of the growing needs. and that is global food insecurity. ukrainian president vladimir zalinski says the situation and don bass is extremely difficult as rush as offensive and sloppy answer can separate donnette continues his offer. thank you as president joe biden for the latest package. yeah, honey, i'm grateful to president biden for immediately signing the $40000000000.00 support package for ukraine approved by congress. this is a historical contribution to the protection of freedom or in europe. he will be
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conservative coalition and australia has been voted out of government for the 1st time in almost a decade. australian voters, back the labor party. instead, it now falls to anthony albany, see to form a new government, but he's yet to secure a parliamentary majority. outgoing payment of a scott morrison took responsibility for the losses suffered by the liberal party and announced he stepping down as party lead. yes, president joe biden says he'd be willing to meet kim jung only for north korean leaders. sincere and serious about talk, see repeated his offer of vaccines to pyongyang, which is struggling with a large cobit 19 outbreak. biden's in sol for meetings with the south korean count about you and so killed. the 2 leaders said they're open to expanding joint military exercises to deter north korea's nuclear threat. it's biden's 1st trip to asia since he took office. switzerland does become the latest nation to confirm a case of monkey pox. 92 infections have been reported in 12 countries. the disease
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was 1st identified in monkeys in central and west africa. it spread through close contact, causing body saws and fever. so those are the headlines. the news continues here on our 0 after the bottom line station. thanks so much bye for them. on the moon, on what was known that we need to know that on the fish, i don't need to be active in the mac and i'm just going to put them on your team yet. and also you can just leave a message. can you open that at the home and ya today, and we're going to give you what we said. that's what they sent me
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a lot. i'm a lot of them at the hospital gave me when i know, i mean, i mean i shooting off the edge of the oh i i am steve finance and i have a question as it plays a key role in the war and ukraine and rallies against russian expansionism. how does poland see the future of this conflict and its role in the world? let's get to the bottom line. ah, since day one,
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poland has stood firmly beside ukraine as it tries to defend itself against russia's invasion, the atrocities of war. they are in an unknown future about half of the ukrainian refugees fleeing this war. around 3000000 people have been absorbed by poland. and it's been the major passageway for nato, provided weapons flowing into ukraine for the last 3 months. but it hasn't been easy. russian political and military leaders are now threatening war, saw for providing material support for ukraine. and according to some recent estimates, polling gets more than half of its energy from russia is trying to end its dependency on russia that poland is a large nation and supplies will need to be back stop by it's western allies. but will the math of all this add up? joining me today is polling to a bastard to the united states american mac year off ski. before arriving in washington, last fall, he was poland ambassador to israel, and for more than 20 years before that he was a journalist and columnist in his country. ambassador, thank you so much for joining us. so you know that having that is great. i mean, you, you understand the journalist questions and the given take. i really appreciate you
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being here today. but what i'd like to give our audience and understanding of is how is the polish citizen see across its border into what's happening in ukraine, and what are they feeling? what are they seeing and how is it absolutely relevant to their lives? what parish citizen saying, i have an acre, it is a bar. it was on laced by and autocratic regime against an independent and free country. i've always been pretty adamant that i've said repeatedly during my stay here in washington that we are facing on eminent threats. we have been talking about russia's near burial ambitions all along and nobody listened at list in europe. there were many countries which conceded holes by a fellow country man as paranoid and versus holiday. now it turns out to do, we were right for so many years. so decades about russia's real intent on our continent and it was
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a picture. i think it's really important and you said it because i remember when poland would outline its concerns. it would ask for more u. s. military, nato military forces to be deployed in poland. but there was this view that russia was kind of a basket case, and they would never create the kind of tensions and threat that it has. now, when did that shift? you know, i'm lucky to have lived under both systems because i was born on to communism and i experience command economy. and then i lived on to democracy and savage capitalism in which i enjoyed so much, especially at the beginning of the 19th. and i know something about us over the mentality and you can, i was see vestiges if you will, of that. so been mentality in contemporary russia, especially among the political leads which now rule this country from the kremlin. i believe it's fair, i'm not saying so it's very, it's extremely difficult for me to predict what will happen in russia over the next
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2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years, let alone europe toward extends russia. we'll try to stabilize the situation in the whole region. i think pertain it's no secret, but it has an obsession with your grand, where can only remind all of eras all stats famous essay he wrote and published in july last year in which he claimed the russians and ukraine in all the same nation. they shared the same history. paradoxically, what food has proven so far since the beginning of his war and russia's war against the green is the mere fact. the russians and ukraine is, are not the same nation. so he has strengthened, they agree and national identity. and of course, if he going back to your initial question about boat and roll and food and vision, i believe that hooton's main fear is to have a prosperous,
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wealthy country at russia's border, a post soviet republic. we're lucky not to be soviet republic. after world war 2, ukraine was a phobia to republic for decades. and this is the domain of preoccupation and main apprehension of the russian ruling class nowadays. no, i don't want to ask you to speak for the russian people, but i'm going to anyway, there's another dimension here where we see polls that show a lot of support for now i happen to know a lot of russian people and i, and least the ones i've talked to don't feel such support, they don't, they can't talk publicly about it without fear of, you know, incredible reprisal and threats from the russian government. but, you know, when you sort of look at what's unfolding, what happening and russia's being isolated right now? you're the closest, you know, russian folks, are they not getting a sense of the crisis that essentially they're going to be cut off from so much of
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what we consider madera unity now put in came to paula and the 2000. so it's been more than 22 years of brainwashing and indoctrination. as i said, putting lives with his obsession, he actually lives in the past not in the present, still feels humiliated. it was him who defined the collapse of the soviet union and the fall of communism as the greatest aah, calamity. or in terms of fer jr. politics in the 20th century. those warehouse brit here. his precise words. ah, defining that, that watershed moment in erupt. history, he is feeding himself with better obsession. so he also considers the russians not only himself, but also the russian society as humiliated, constantly, humiliated by nato by the west, by the free world, he's not using disturb, but we should start using dis term, the free world ah,
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juxtaposed to water. the russian society is experiencing now. so i'm on the one hand, i am not surprised by all those falls, which have been coming out over the last weeks. no. only some of them are relatively credible about the russian societies and the russian populations support for the war. and for booting himself between 70 and 80 percent of of the people are supported as for military operation. and he agreed, ah, ah, again, i think that maybe those numbers are not precise, but it's are imaginable that this is more or less the support booting is enjoying right now in the russian society early because maybe not only, maybe not. this is not the only factor, and the only reason that are a bad, principally because of that sense of humiliation. and because of that, a sense of in circle meant by data, which is a completely false claim. but i,
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i would say deeply imbedded in the russian collective psyche. you know, another thing we've all been watching is sort of a heroism of the polish people on another front. and that is providing homes for ukrainian refugees. i mean, millions and millions of people and to my knowledge, you don't have refugee camps. you don't have, it's a very different kind of absorption of ukrainian people in. it begs the question of what's going on? how does poland carry that load? because even if millions of refugees are going to homes, that's a huge demand on infrastructure. and of course it may eventually change, you know, the pool of talent that you have working on. so this is a long term thing can, can you give our watchers and understanding our match are not surprised by the irish pouring of solidarity and sympathy towards our great brethren. ah, may be slightly, but we've always been generous. i think that the image of,
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of potent as a country which is somehow inherently anti immigrant. aah! is completely false. totally distorted. so i'm not, i was not surprised by that outburst of solidarity on the part of the polish fight . you are absolutely right. there are no record comes in, and this is probably the 1st humanitarian protest in the refugee crisis in europe. history in which the host country does not need to build refugee gas. we've had some of a few congressional delegations coming to boat in from america. and many of those congressmen were asking up just calling to buzz well the refuge account. so we'd like to visit one. unfortunately they couldn't. ah, but they did meet with you korean and refugees who all of course, extremely grateful to falls under the buddhist society for that reception. i. on the other hand, also, of course it's a huge bud and also $3400000.00 refugees who have already crossed at the border into poland since the beginning of the hostilities. ah,
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some of them re emigrated to other european countries. some of them it returned to ukraine. by the way, i thanks to a bill which was approved by the polish parliament a few weeks ago, although the green and refugees can apply for parish id more than a 1000000 ah, did so far and so about 94 percent of those people, all women and children 94 percent, all man fight any green for their homelands. freedom and, and sovereignty. ah, this is incredible. this is something which will be ah, unforgettable. and remembered for many years to come by both nations. and i guess, you know, the obvious question here is, it's a dicey question america, when it comes to refugees and, and how long that that can last before it becomes a political challenge and political problem. you have any sense that there's any cost that the duties government will pay for its generosity to day. oh, well,
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politically it's all it's so it's complicated, of course. but i thing when you, when you look again, if you look at the poles in poland at all those surveys which are all somehow asked 40 and examine the police, the fight, his attitude towards ukrainians. it's also pretty encouraging because before the war to with fertile ground in poland for the absorption of hundreds of thousands and even millions of ukrainians. ah, because we had approximately 1500000 ukrainians living and working in poland. ah, very few racial incidence. like places are verbal or physical, a thought on the green ins only because he or she she spoke green in all the street . it happened really rally a boat so that, that, that, that solidarity. and that sense that so they are all a slattich brothers. and we share a common enemy as well. this is also important in that perception and well,
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philosophically speaking, if russia attacks one of all a neighbors, no matter the religious difference is no matter the ethnic differences, no matter the linguistic differences. although our language is also similar to each other, that the greatness, for example, learn polish in a matter of months, which is also a very important factor in it. when we talk about the integration of those who grin in refugees, into devoted society and into divulged labor gap. so when russia attacks one of our neighbors, it's almost a moral obligation for off and a historical obligation to defend that maple, and also defend indirectly our own freedom. you know, we just recently interviewed simon schuster simon wrote the time magazine cover story, spending a couple of weeks with the leadership inside key of and particularly with present to landscape was very riveting account what happened in and he shared with us that zalinski does have a concern about the continuity of interest and continuity of commitment,
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particularly the united states. but other allies there. senator, mitch mcconnell and john bras on susan collins went over. but we've seen a vote on ukrainian aid. get 57 know votes in the u. s. congress, which was very surprising to me. you know, you interact with this town a lot in this congress. are you worried about america's attention deficit disorder? coming up, we are having a problem with our 1st and foremost, i am not authorized to comment on american domestic politics. there's not, i'm not going to go into detail of those deliberations about of told vote and a fan it. ah. however, i, as you rightly noted, i was a journalist for over 20 years, so i know more last, a mechanic. and i, i realize i am acutely aware that in 2 months in 3 months time, the interest of the american public opinion. but at principle applies also to europe and to other countries will fight away no matter as that will and
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shortly all we will are, you know, our witness, a protracted confrontation. we have roe v wade. ah, we have inflation. we have the ongoing border crisis in america, so all those are of that they, it, those topics all slowly but steadily pushing golf the ukraine and had life if you will, probably american media and so on. again, i also realize that this is a window to put it up brutally that has a window of opportunity for poland to lay out it's vision and a tutor to show how important potent is and how pivotal poland has become over the last couple of weeks for europe's security and also for the united states, um security for the united states interests in this part of the world. you another dimension, i just love to get your geostrategic hat on a lot of people almost in the u. s. prep press have in a way,
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de facto come to the conclusion that there is no way the ukraine can become a member of nato, given what bill burns once called, bill burns, now director of cia, but, but once ambassador to moscow said, was in neurologic issue for the russians and, and i'm just wondering if that's smart, that when you look at what nato has done as an alliance for polish security, but the baltics and other neurologic issues for russians. ah, whether we should be accepting that notion that ukraine not become a member, there wasn't many. what is your official view, or what is your private? there was a, a mame circulating on social media a few weeks ago about nato joining ducari and not the other way around. ah, i, it's often very green, and of course they have to fight about the f b. i mean, the aspirations are pretty clear. ah, there, i mean, the approval rating off nato as an international guy organization has skyrocketed
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near green. ah, it's up to them to decide whether they want to join disorganisation. certainly not up to the russians. certainly not up to mister putin to decide what direction you create and we'll be heading in the future. but i will tell you what the game changer could be for ukraine and for europe, and also probably for the united states, ukraine and joining the european union. i just wanted to remind you of 1st 2014, a young coverage was private that he was ousted from office the might on revolution . it was not because you couldn't wanted to join nato. it was not because america was building was building bio lapse. right? is, are you? it was because of the accession agreement, ukraine was about to sign with the european union. this is what put in fears as i said, put in fears, a prosperous country at russia's border and he fear the country which effectively, ah, cracks, dominant corruption, for example, because this is the cool one of the core issues in terms of rushes relations with
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the neighboring countries and especially those which had belonged to the soviet union before the collapse of communism. corruption is the most fertile ground for russia to meddle into the internal affairs of kazakhstan, to expand his thorn, ukraine, batter ruth, and many other countries. polish political leaders have been unambiguous that the only thing putin recognizes in respects is force and power. ah, i'm just wondering if there is a consensus about that inside europe. french president emanuel macaroni said, we're not at war with russia. we need to work towards a ceasefire. a cease fire should be our priority. it always gets his back into that trap of looking at. again. i know it's what is deprecation and what is appeasement . and, and, and just what are your insights about how europe is looking at ukraine beyond porch boys? i don't think that's a domestic question, but really about the state of european consensus about what that was. again,
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are not entitled to comment on french domestic. and i will have to be very diplomatic all on this one. so it will take a while because before i find the correct words, ah, there are some clear discrepancies within the european union. ah, it's no secret at france, and germany have a different opinion on ah, how we should proceed. especially in terms of all of sanctions and imposing even more severe ah punishment right on her, on russia, in the long term. but i think where we're at, when you mentioned or of the falls or something that russia really respects all putting himself. it's all not, it's not only about 4th, it's not only about deterrents is also about stamina and determination. for example, to uphold the economic sanctions are for many as to comp. if we are not ready and
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willing to keep the pressure on russia for the next 5 to 10, or even 15 years, we will not see russia, the russian economy being effectively crippled. and i believe this is all a, it should be at least, ah, the russian society has yet to feel the pinch. the sanctions have yet to kick in. so it will take a while before we will feed a real effect of, of this common front of the europe in union, all the united states and of some other countries have joined all our camp. in this particular situation, we have to be patient, but also determined and also pretty persuasive and making all the point. it all it talks is all french, german austin or italian partner. you know, speaking of feeling the pinch when i look at poland energy profile. no huge, you're a huge energy importer. so oil, gas, oil, oil, gas company comes from russia. right?
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and coal. and when you kind of look at that, and the polish moves already, just suspend gas imports to suspend coal imports into commit by the end of this year to end oil imports. how is that going to be back? stop? and when you look at your alliance structure, when you look at the united states, it's not just us, it's cutter, it's other places in the world. how does the math add up that you're going to keep energy flowing in places because you know that infrastructure was not there before . and are you concerned for your own citizens about how big that pinch will be? are some european countries were addicted to russian gas, oil, mostly gas, full decades, ah, many years ago and came to the conclusion that we should render all country are entirely independent of impulse of russian gas. and as of which we are doing right now by october, we are at the hour long term contract with gas brom expires. we are not going to
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renew it. and a new pipeline to so called baltic pipeline will be operational ah, we will deliver gas from the norwegian continental shelf via denmark, to the polish stretch of the bowl to coast ah, of 6 or 7 years ago, it was 5 years ago. we inaugurated an ellen g terminal, also unable to coast, we are importing in our gas from the do not at staging, from murk at all. and we also have them all own resources of this particular raw material. ah, it is a very encouraging and very reassuring development because we have always focus on energy security or as one of the most important pillars of all our collective security. so it is happening and out. it is happening now, and we are so glad that there is an ongoing discussion also in germany about that, that possible shift in germany's energy policy. if they have started even
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started talking about a return to nuclear, this is or something really impressive and remarkable. i don't know whether they will finally choose to this path, which would be a revolution in germany for internal politics. ah, but i hope that we will find common ground also with countries. which sure are now hesitant to cut off all those economic ties with russia. let me ask one last question. i was recently in estonia and was somewhat pleasantly surprised, but also kind of shocked to see that they have already moved to begin bringing young people into the woods to train them for the kinds of combat that we're witnessing in ukraine. our generals are talking to these mostly young men, but also women about hard core person to person defense in their role in that is that happening in poland. it has been happening and vote. and for quite
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a few years, we created the so called territorial defense a few years ago, which was at the time criticized by some circles as a waste of money and time and energy returns out. and we can see your grins experience. we can see how important this kind of warfare is and how important it is to prepare the younger generations for the eventuality of the confrontation with, with our neighbor. again, i do hope that we will never have to fight for our freedom as the green is all doing right now, but we always have to be prepared. well, we'll have to leave it there. ambassador merrick maggie, off ski, ambassador of poland to the united states. thank you so much for joining us to leisure. thank you. so what's the bottom line? in some ways, the polish right now are more patriotic about freedom than many americans are. they've seen 1st hand and upfront, what
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a power vacuum near russia can create. they also see their neighbor fighting for its life in very existence. and while ukraine remains defiant, let's face it. there's never any certainty in the outcome of war. the reverberations of rushes and pollutants decision to invade are going to be with us for decades and have already begun to change the international system. poland is on the front line. america is a bit farther away, despite being heavily involved, but tying together their fates and creating a unified wall against further russian aggression is going to be vital. and that's the bottom line, ah, on counting the cost of recent meltdown in crypto currency, worries investors can it make it come back? why did app or lose the most valuable company ground to saudi oil for romco? and how will trade protectionism affects global for security and fight?
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