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he's looking to unsafe him. these photographs that show bars, johnson holding a wine glass up in an apparent toast to a departing senior staff member of the people in the picture as well. a table littered with alcohol bottles. it is not the image that number 10 downing street would have wanted to see pasted across the nation's media. defenders have said look at the police, have seen this evidence. they deemed non criminal. but there are now questions, of course, about the nature of that police inquiry. why didn't he receive a fine for attending this event when others who did apparently did receive fine. they've been coals more calls the resignation for the opposition, of course, and uproar on social media uncovered survivors. so public opinion is not good on this. the rather wait, the question is, does this constitute evidence that he misled m. p. 's in parliament when he spoke about this very event saying no party had taken place. there is a pending investigation in parliament into that question. and if it is proven well,
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then there is or other sort of general consensus that that would be, could be a resigning offence. ah, this is all disease. these are the top stories, 3 months after the russian invasion, ukraine's president says, moscow is waging total war in the east, and he's urge the west to cut all ties with russia. beautifully. and unions proposing sending more than $10000000000.00 to ukraine 24 hours after the ukranian president appeals for more funds. longer is government is declared a state of emergency citing the war in ukraine by mister mcdowell. all bonds says he needs the powers in cases cabinet has to move quickly to respond to any challenges. turkeys, foreign minister says anchor is committed to supporting palestine efforts to be recognized internationally as much of a solo. as the 1st high profile turkish official to visit occupied westbank for
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more than 10 years. thousands of images have been released said to have been taken and we go re education camps and china that reveal more details about the mass detention of the mainly muslim group. china is dismissing the photos as lies. those are the headlines. the news is going to continue here on our 0 and about half an hour after inside story, goodbye. ah, what. what, we need to know that on this is i don't need you to look at me about how to put them on the new home and ya. today, and we're going to give you what we said that was sent to me.
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and i'm a lot of fun at the book. if you're the one i know, i mean, i mean me shooting off and just ah, has russia achieved any of its wor, objectives in ukraine?
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it's 3 months since vladimir putin launched his so called special operation, is the continued conflict complicating efforts to find a diplomatic solution. this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm a jim jim 3 months into russia, so called special military operation and ukraine. the invasion appears to be turning into a drawn out. war. 1000 have been killed. millions are homeless and communities are in ruins. leaders from both sides say they're far from any talk of a cease fire. ukraine's president is warning of a blood bath, as russian forces intensify operations in the east and the south. the low to mid lensky demanded even tougher western sanctions to send a message to the kremlin. that brute force will not prevail. germany's energy
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minister says the european union is closing in on an agreement for an embargo on russian oil. and a russian diplomat has resigned in protest, boris bonder, av says he's ashamed of what he calls the war. mongering lies and hatred by russia's foreign ministry, same as ravi reports from ukraine's capital. keith. the war in ukraine has not gone as expected. cave was meant to fall to russian invaders in a matter of days. 3 months after missiles shells and paratroopers began landing in and around the capital, ukraine is putting the spoils of war on display. morales and anger at russia are now so high. ukrainian say the only acceptable victory will be taking everything back occupied territories in the east. even crimea stuck. yeah. if you said some was yes, i believe the return of our territories is possible and i think we should not top,
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i believe there should not be any negotiations about return into the same borders we have before the start of this war on, you know, we should get our citizen, call me back. this is our so in country and we should defended the reason of us. i am. truth is on our side. we are defending our land. we really want and hope for this to happen. so yes, you probably need to weapons and then our, our army real real do everything, and we will when i am not to, i'm sure there was less optimism when all at war came to ukraine on february 24th. russian president vladimir putin so called special military operation was the biggest assault on a european states since world war 2. the, you an estimate at least 14000000 people have been displaced so far, at least 6000000 to neighboring countries. when missile ukrainian army base in yahoo, of near the border with natal member, poland,
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it was the 1st russian attack in the west of the country. the siege of mario pole so violent, it wiped the city off the map. leaving little doubt as to how far russia was willing to go to achieve its aims. unable to penetrate ukrainian defences around the capital. russia's withdrawal from future revealed civilian killings that ukraine described as war crimes. the invasion did change the map, but not perhaps, as potent had hoped. finland and sweden applying to join nato stands to more than double the alliances border with russia. just weeks ago, independent square was under locked down and covered and snow. now people line up to buy stamps commemorating a moment in the early days of the war. when ukraine, in no uncertain terms, told russia to leave its territory. i hope was that it is a good weekend when in this war and we can survive. so
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for me it's a sign that we have a chance for a good future. things look very different in the ukranian capital. today. diplomatic missions are reopening. people are returning and ukrainian seemed far more optimistic, all the cautiously than they did at the beginning of this war. that the war is not over. russian forces are escalating offensive in ukraine, east re mobilizing forces to battlefields in the south. all indications are consequent. russia is the new normal and as long as russia controls the skies over their countries, nowhere in ukraine is completely safe. the industrial jazeera keys. ah. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests and levine and western ukraine to meet your show gum european program director at the international renaissance foundations in london. domain tele sagamore. so senior lecturer in security and development in the department of war studies at kings college london and moscow. dmitri babich
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political analyst at the, you know, asked me internet media project a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining program today to meet your let me start with you. is the war essentially at a stalemate? now it has this basically become a war of attrition. that the stage it is an active face. it is a war alteration, but at the same time, it is not like a belief creek. it's already a 3rd month actually end of the 3rd month. and there is no end of the war inside. so it's like, it's more like world war 1 may be in terms of space. now, what we are having in, in the eastern ukraine, the way the major fighting is going on. dmitri, has russia achieved any of its objectives in ukraine and where do things stand militarily right now from the russian perspective?
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well, i can get your perspective, said my menu, right? but i also read, for example, you very, you know, the german magazine where no gave you the assessment the situation. and it was very good. russia, he thinks that there were actually 3 stages which was one of their reasons for the war. the 2nd was the decision to invade. in february this year we was the 2nd stage. and now we have the night, the whole more and more. thank you. your mount weapons, you know, for $40000000000.00 on the 8th grade, which one shows that they don't want that to be another. they want it to be an act your war in which russia would lose. as for rush of the goals and they were
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part of them where and she because you know, great me it was you know what there is coming to roll mother ukrainian. ready basically have a saw which is what was the model was taken. i think however, russians have know that the main goal was to do move the wind away from going here, which is a huge mega border which do you need to be bombarded by the your brain. so bottle, there were just was there was no changes, which was probably part of the new show. that's why the russian strive to move was from the russian. they retreated now. so the story already changed. so we changed. we can say that this is delilah. how much is the continued conflict
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complicating efforts to try and find a diplomatic solution? well, i think at the moment there isn't really a very strong diplomatic initiative. i mean, there were a few proposals that were brought forward for example, but they can government. but they also, they say for example, that there would be a retreat of russian forces from the areas that they have occupied in ukraine. and i think that is probably not going to happen. so i think that at the moment that there is a much higher chance that fight will continue with great intensity on only either a 1. 1 of the 2 sides decides that they want to sort of gave up on play for some kind of diplomatic solution or both sides after quite some time sheet that they really need to reach some kind of that they have reached as sort of hurting stay made and they decide to sort of reach some kind of ceasefire agreement,
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but i really don't think that we are there now. i think both sides seem very determined to continue with a fight. and i think because as was explained, the objectives and whatnot achieved russia has not been able to defeat the ukrainian armed forces, which is one of the main objectives. on the other hand, the ukrainians are states, you know, fighting hard to make sure that they, this large, they're russian occupies from the areas of the east on the south. so i think this, this is going to be a war that's going to take a quite some time study. and i think that any diplomatic efforts at the moment, i'm not going to see any results. so that i'm not very optimistic on that front. but it's also understandable demitra, where does ukrainian public opinion stand when it comes to the, the possibility of some kind of a potential diplomatic solution and, and also in the early stages of the conflict, it was being reported that the,
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perhaps president zalinski might be amenable to giving up some territory or, or possibly to agree to neutrality for ukraine if that were to happen with the public support that no, no, there's definitely, definitely more than the crane that we cannot we cannot compromise our territorial integrity to and we can't compromise so, so there there's so much human losses lost my life. there's so much losses. so when they're, if so many atrocities have become known, what, what russians are committing on the temporary bite areas of ukraine. so it is absolutely a non negotiation, both non non negotiable to compromise with the russians and to agree on some sort of i don't know,
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but the shooting of ukraine or something like this will give up some land or something like this. simply not. and it's definitely now support for not a bit died for sticking some sort of a cease fire agreement, which i mean like what has been done in 2014, 2015. when basically it was a grim and so called miss agreement. when there was a fire and russians basically haven't fully implemented, this is far and they haven't withdrawal with their own, their forces from the temporary areas. and then later there now just basically used to be improved by creamy and temporary, could buy a don bus area to launch it largest scale it on ukraine. so that's why we understand that what we need is really to have a session agreement where precondition would be 1st for russians to
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withdraw their forces and except that they should restore ukrainians around to get a chance for anti it's clear. now they're the russians on the, on there. so that's why i agree, are russians are not accepting this now, and they're not ready to withdraw their forces. so that's why basically the war continues because russia started this invasion and they want to continue this invasion. and they want to put their terms on the ukraine, which is an acceptable ukraine, is the basically doing it self defense. we are defending our country, and there is no compromise on i with it. but i don't think that you also mentioned dmitri from, from your vantage point. you know, obviously diplomatic efforts have failed thus far. do you think that they could pick up again at some point? and do you think that there is the potential to have president putin a president zelinski meet at some point, perhaps face to face?
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well as to the meeting face to face. the very, a belligerent statement from president left the just the you all. ready goal. ready which means basically, you know, you said that you will all the need with no one else. and that you will only talk about the withdrawal or russian troops. that means that the media is not one anytime. if you check the positions of the size of 2 different, i will say that there's an empty change. during the 1st days, the ration once more, you remember how you said that neutral stages could be acceptable and would be the goal she did and the brilliant. busy again,
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talked about non membership and the utah state just as a possible solution, but then you just you know, they propose, well they, they change their position. so this was the reason why negotiations did not restart . i think i asked for the 2 sides. i respect that and i think you're right on it, but i would advise. ready you to read that means, you know, there were thousands at the moment when you're bringing on, it was basically losing against the media. and the main point was, you know, one of the points was about the special status of the russian speaking the regency in the east that was not done. the 2nd was about in the 8th, the sample that read the told you,
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but there was no food for them. you know what the decrease, you know? so basically irrational, green not field and the what russia, if you look at them, it was not the agreement that the all for him removed from your russian groups really know that the. ready read your should be there based in the solid of your grade. they said it was that no one would check this training. so it was basically need to be american warships in, in the black tea all the time. you know? so the reason why we decided that the way to do a lot of people support the old and the reason why he acted the way it was because he would not be an allow more basis. busy nato very brain
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and he was afraid that the find that out of control as more and more ukrainian by the train, by american readers instruct us more and more weapons were lodging. ready especially that 2 months before february 21 would make his announcement. and look, i mean, russia doesn't, can just you from don't boss. so if you're great, you know, i mean that when i was still in russia that they will do that would have crushed demitria on your communities. mitree i'm, there was a wonderful, i'm sorry to interrupt you. we're starting to run out of time. let me pick up on one of the points we're making in just a moment with another question dummy killer. so germany is saying that the european union is likely going to agree to an embargo on russian oil imports within days. what kind of impact do you think that that's going to have? is that something that would, that would automatically weaken russia?
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i most of you that the sanctions are weakening very much the russian economy and that is part of the objective. it's not really a regime change as is often mentioned, is actually really to weaken the of the capacity of the russian economy to sustain the military conflict. so i think it's, it's very important to, to continue with sanctions, even though there isn't maybe any media change of the actions of russia on the ground. i think it will have an impact. definitely because russia is relying very much on selling oil and gas to western markets and to europe in particular, as far as cost is concerned. and also always so the prices are much higher. so when russia has to say its energy products to other consumers in the east or nobody they tend to buy now at lower prices. so russia is losing out. and i mean,
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it's also going to be a cost maybe for the global energy market. so of course, there is a cost to be, to be paid as a result of the sanctions. but from the european perspective, i think there is increasing agreement that this is the right approach. that we can't be fighting, you know, are russia and ukraine and at the same time become sort of one of the main purchases of energy products. so i think that the consensus at the level of a european union is increasingly being reached. it will take a bit of time, but i think that that's probably where we are heading demitra the us that you, they have imposed lots of sanctions against russia thus far. president and let's can other ukrainian officials have said that that more sanctions need to be imposed from your perspective. have the sanctions that have been imposed thus far actually had their intended effect. have they acted as
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a deterrent they say, i mean, does 1st of all, to react toward the mid 3 nos set. because it's fake news. what you said about nato's basis in ukraine on the graham stairs. there was no permanent basis anywhere in the ukraine. and generally speaking, ukraine until 2014 was a very pacific country where the military virtually non existent, where the nose public support for nato membership at all since 2014, when the russia ukraine, aggressively, absolutely on ground, it took part of its territory, grania and part of don boss, of course ukraine had to build up in military and of course the grain had to seek support and cooperation with other 1st of all the natal, which is able to provide military support. ah,
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and actually if we look from that perspective, it is actually a russian leadership at this book and who is putting ukraine moving force and ukraine to move to natal? because natal 6 protection from russia, by the way, the same way as now sweden and finland, which realized that they need to have protection from russian aggression. dmitri, you were talking about nato a few moments ago. demitra was just talking about nato, that obviously plays a role in all this. i mean, president putin did not want ukraine to become a member of nato. but now you have finland and sweden that have applied to join nato. and there are many analysts who suggest the nato isn't a stronger position now than it was 3 months ago. did. did president putin actually foresee that finland and sweden might apply to join nato if, if, if this course of action were taken in ukraine? well, 1st of all, i would like to make some corrections decisions on what i just said
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neutral that, that i said there were need to be on the job, you know, basis training organized by the united states and read them formally. they were not legal basis, but the fact who are you brain was becoming a member. it was there were american or in stock or in special just need to be on the green everywhere. busy and all that ask for your question of all of those with them. i mean, look at then use in the west. the media never goes on or exercises in which be nice since we've groups together with groups. and they were all against profit. so russia was both, we don't know what, no, no longer be neutral. but i think in the, in the end, this is the wall below the europe. europe was
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a peaceful continent with many neutral countries. now, there is just fun there with dmitri, i'm sorry, so sorry to interrupt you again, but we're almost out of time and i just want to ask them until 11 last question here until we have about 30 seconds left. is there any member of the international community you think can offer an off ramp to president putin, that he would deem acceptable? i think in a way that's not the not a good adequate question because i think that putting should not be offered around to say he space. i think it's very important to send a clear message or by the international community to russia and other members, that these kind of military aggressions to neighboring countries are completely unacceptable. and that these sort of situations are not going to be accepted globally in the future. they have to stabilized the european continent, they have created a lot of distress,
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human casualties and brutality inside your brain. there are serious problems globally in terms of supplies of food and fertilizes. for example, the prices of energy also skyrocketed their problems, which we haven't really discussed around the blockage of the export of products of ukraine and through the black sea. and this is creating, as i said, a rise in food program products. so all these elements which now have serious global implications. and now there are discussions among the united kingdom monday to ask whether do something to the block, the block c and the access of ukraine a so that it can export its products because it's really having serious global repercussions to the global economy at a time when the economy was already trying very slowly to recover from the impact of covey. so i think that at the moment the emphasis should be on trying to, hey,
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give grain and you really reduce rush us military presence in your brain as much as possible and see if some kind of agreement can be reached. that results in russia's withdrawn at the moment, the only actor that could maybe put pressure on russia is of course china. but china seems not at the moment, ready to sort of put pressure on russia to reach some kind of agreement on retreat instead is playing us out of a game of sort of support in terms of political understanding on said position of russia. and in a way, sort of providing, you know, the markets that russia needs for the export of many of its energy products. so i really don't see a possibility of any sort of immediate negotiated solution and letter non one that would allow you to sort of save the space and that sort of, i ramble. thank you. all right, well we have run out of time so we're going to have to leave the conversation there . thanks so much. all our guest demitra sugar, toma,
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